Why VHS won

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Жыл бұрын

Be kind, rewind, and destroy your Betamax enemies. Reaction: / 81909853
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• How Sony's Betamax los...
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I think I actually found this Betamax training video on Archive.org, but here it is on YT.
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That Law office article. I just wanted to show some contemporary proof of this (somewhat obvious) decision.
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@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

Any requests or ideas for Why (INSERT COMPANY OR PRODUCT) Won?

@Steakkiller Жыл бұрын

Why Nintendo won. Both against Atari and Sega. "Blaming" only Nintendo is probably oversimplified but whatever.

@matt45540 Жыл бұрын

Blu ray would be a natural progression, seems like Sony won that

@haweater1555 Жыл бұрын

@@Steakkiller The old video game systems companies got nailed by the Great Video Game Crash of 1983, when massive amounts of junk games flooded the market, and the hardware companies tried to add "home computer" functionality to legitimize them. After that, Nintendo intro their system to USA, with sanctioned quality games only available, and no pre-tenses to being a computer (despite being a very popular home computer platform in Japan).

@feuby8480 Жыл бұрын

I'd be interested into why Steam (video game platform) won through physical sales and second hand market. Especially since at start I did not want it, and now, I'm all aboard...

@RaymondHng Жыл бұрын

Blu-ray Disc versus HD DVD. CompactFlash vs. Memory Stick vs. MultiMediaCard (MMC) vs. Secure Digital card (SD) vs. SmartMedia vs. Miniature Card.

@QuestionMan Жыл бұрын

When VHS and Beta were slugging it out, it was essentially a battle decided by early adopters. For my family, the decision came down to which format had the most movies available by the time we could finally afford a VCR, simple as that. (spoiler alert: it was VHS)

@x--. Жыл бұрын

And the reason more movies were available on VCR? Looks like the studios were making the same bet, Phil made a strong argument.

@incars1000 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised more people don't know it was complementary products that won the war. The actual video player/recorder was worthless without things to play on it

@rods6741 Жыл бұрын

My father in law paid around $1000 for his first VCR, a VHS unit. He sadly died in the late 80's. He would be amazed by the technology today.

@TylerMcHenry Жыл бұрын

My family had a betamax in the *late* 80s and I remember being constantly disappointed as a kid browsing at video rental stores, and finding something I liked only to be told we couldn't get it because it was only on VHS.

@originalsusser Жыл бұрын

No spoiler alert needed there! It was the same for most att. I remember us renting our 1st VCR because we didn't want to spend the fortune needed to buy possibly the wrong one, like our neighbours did... sorry Lynn, lol. In '83 we bought a VHS for same reasons as u & never looked back.

@headphoneboy Жыл бұрын

Love this topic. Please considering covering other format wars: - DVD vs Laserdisc - Blu-ray vs HD-DVD - Minidisc vs CD Also, a retrospective of all of Sony’s failed attempts at launching new formats or standards would be 🔥

@vylbird8014 Жыл бұрын

Laserdisc was 1978-2001, DVD was 1996 onwards. By the time DVD came out, the failure of Laserdisc to displace videotape was already apparent. Minidisc vs CD is... complicated. You'd have to also include the connections with DAT and DCC, and the music industries crippling fear of any recordable digital medium. HD-DVD vs Bluray though, that's a straight-up format war: Released at almost the same time, coexisting for a period in competition until one achieved dominance.

@senorverde09 Жыл бұрын

DVD was the next evolution in digital home disc media. Comparing that to Laserdisc is like comparing a horse to a car. Now CED and Laserdisc would be a more fair and contemporary discussion.

@I_WANT_MY_SLAW Жыл бұрын

Streaming killed all of them. Not that I'm shedding any tears. Walmart killed all the mom and pop stores. But now suddenly we're all supposed to be crying that Amazon is killing Walmart? No.

@jordanmcgrory2171 Жыл бұрын

"How PlayStations changed everything", a Phil Edwards documentary.

@susilgunaratne4267 Жыл бұрын

@@senorverde09 Dat itself had two varieties: R-DAT & S-DAT. Digital Compat Cassette wasn't popular in consumer markets. Lossy format - reduced data systems all have gone with time except the CD & DVD.

@throttleblip1 Жыл бұрын

Phil is an OG and no one else can keep up with his style of video.

@dylanlastname6784 Жыл бұрын

He was here before us, and he’ll be here after us

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

lol we'll see

@ow4744 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Jake Lafontrelle has a stronger mustache game though.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

@@ow4744 damn it, bested by lafontrelle once again!

@headphoneboy Жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc Love this topic. Please considering covering other format wars: - DVD vs Laserdisc - Blu-ray vs HD-DVD - Minidisc vs CD Also, a retrospective of all of Sony’s failed attempts at launching new formats or standards would be 🔥

@mookiecookie44 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the Technology Connections shoutout. Was the first thing I thought of when I saw this video.

@TimurTripp2 Жыл бұрын

His videos are way more in-depth than this one when it comes to the technical reasons. Honestly the record time theory is very plausible as the demise of Betamax.

@rasmusalmqvist5960 Жыл бұрын

My mom worked as a TV journalist and we initially went down the Betamax route in 1982. The problem with Betamax was that video rentals didn't have as broad of a catalogie on Betamax as with VHS and often only one copy of a popular movie on Betamax. We switched to VHS within a couple of agonizing years, simply because of the more movies being available on VHS,

@okaro6595 Жыл бұрын

Yes, that is what often happened. It was the second purchase that counted.

@vincent412l7 Жыл бұрын

When I first bought a machine, I researched and read reviews, and Beta was my obvious choice. I made one final stop to check the selections at Blockbusters. They had one whole wall of Beta, and five walls of VHS. So I immediately disregarded five months of research and reading reviews and went with VHS. (Remember the blank VHS tapes used to be $60 each?)

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

Excellent music this time! Love the factual-ness on it being down to ALL movie rentals, not just adult movies like some claim. Sony didn’t really ban it like people say.

@Cookie_85 Жыл бұрын

Thats something that always bothered me that people said the adult movies were the downfall of beta.

@jamesslick4790 Жыл бұрын

@@Cookie_85 I have quite a few "adult" titles on Betamax. (For historic research, of course!).

@jamesslick4790 Жыл бұрын

Neither Sony nor JVC had any control over what someone put on either format. Much "adult" content was on Betamax.

@pummisher1186 Жыл бұрын

I remember VHS video quality being pretty good. Then on KZfaq, people started using the nostalgia VHS filter to make their videos look like an old tape that's been played a thousand times and was damaged. To me, that is a false nostalgia making younger people think VHS format looked like complete garbage and we put up with it. Videos only really looked like garbage when you tried to copy them. The Macrovision copy protection which messed with the gain control causing the brightness to go all over the place. Also, the copy will look worse regardless.

@bubbythebear6891 Жыл бұрын

Old crappily transferred public domain cartoons had that really bad look that people think of VHS now. The camcorder my family had was pretty terrible, even for the time. It reminds me a bit of the faux VHS look. Hell, footage from my mom's childhood looks better than mine. For some reason we used that camcorder until 2015 when I was 12! I don't know why we put up with it for so long. Of course we got rid of it right before it became trendy, go figure!

@acrouzet 11 ай бұрын

Not to mention bad deinterlacing when digitizing which can halve the vertical resolution

@robertromero8692 10 ай бұрын

“I remember VHS video quality being pretty good.” It looked ok compared to NTSC broadcasts on the typical 25 inch TVs of the time, but it’s VASTLY inferior to today’s digital formats, especially 1080p and 2160p. It would look godawful played on a 65 inch OLED or a 100+ inch projector screen. “Then on KZfaq, people started using the nostalgia VHS filter to make their videos look like an old tape that's been played a thousand times and was damaged. To me, that is a false nostalgia making younger people think VHS format looked like complete garbage and we put up with it.” I think the false nostalgia is thinking that a paltry resolution of 333 x 480 (and 40 x 480 chroma resolution) is remotely as good as 1920 x 1080 or 3840 x 2160.

@Mr_Kenneth 8 ай бұрын

VHS was just fine. Plus It certainly made a big quality difference if you played it in a decent VHS player and telly. I remember loaning out tapes to friends and the quality was shocking when the returned them . Dirty in fact

@Mr_Kenneth 8 ай бұрын

Contrary to popular belief, when you played back NTSC VHS. On a PAL TV, the quality despite being 100 lines less (525), looked fine. It compensated for the loss by centering the image with a little border top and bottom. I used to import the latest VHS movie released before they were on UK cinemas

@k.5152 Жыл бұрын

what if Phil collaborated with technology connections?

@partywumpus5267 Жыл бұрын

I'd love that, they're of the best youtubers I watch!

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

i was very impressed by that beta vhs test!

@dwarftoad Жыл бұрын

Loved his really deep dive into RCA CED videodisc. Such a weird thing in retrospect. kzfaq.info/sun/PLv0jwu7G_DFVP0SGNlBiBtFVkV5LZ7SOU

@shaider1982 Жыл бұрын

That would be tight!

@FindecanorNotGmail Жыл бұрын

There were more formats back in the day, that didn't stand a chance against VHS and Beta. For instance, there was *Video* *2000* which was reversible - like an audio cassette.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

yes left out phillips - they made some headway in europe but not enough...

@beetooex Жыл бұрын

somebody watches techmoan lol

@DrNoxin Жыл бұрын

@@beetooex If you're old enough, you remember Video 2000.

@fburton8 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, our household had V2000 in 1980s UK. Everyone else I knew had either VHS or Betamax.

@SomePotato Жыл бұрын

You could even go back further in time and start with U-matic and VCR or even earlier. But before VHS/Beta, the home video market was pretty much enthusiasts only due the price. And everything that came after VHS/Beta was too late to the party.

@JaykPuten Жыл бұрын

Wow you managed to not bring up pornography which is what I'd heard won the format war Very classy to read a whole newsletter/zine about the topic, and to avoid the classically cited pornography (I think it's even mentioned in tropic thunder as the reason why)

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

yeah i am classy but i also just couldn't find any good proof!

@JaykPuten Жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc (conspiracy voice) the lack of proof is the proof man And it sounds like something Jake Lafrontrelle would say Completely unsubstantiated, or he'd cite 200Xs tropic thunder as a source

@seanwebb605 Жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc Follow up with the Porno Wars.

@NighttimeNubbs Жыл бұрын

This was the myth I regularly heard for past couple decades in regards to the format war but higher production output makes more sense just not as clickbaity.

@ChrisCooling Жыл бұрын

It indeed drove the adoption of all home video formats. In the 1970s, the vast majority of titles available at rental stores were all pirated anyway. There was plenty of pornography on whatever you wanted. Cartrivision, VHS, Beta, U-matic....dubbing off copies of movies was one of the first things you learned how to do when you opened a rental store

@therocknrollmillennial535 Жыл бұрын

I loved this video. A personal anecdote: I was born in the mid-90’s and, as my mom has never been the type to spend money unless she absolutely has to, I only knew VHS until I was about 10-11. The first DVD player we got was a portable one for road trips. Regarding your “be kind, rewind” throwaway line, I was blown away that you didn’t have to “rewind” a DVD, which, looking back, makes me laugh.

@luigivincenz3843 10 ай бұрын

i remembered the "rewind policy" at Blockbuster. BB eventually removed it because a majority of returns were NOT rewound. I know because I had family who worked for BB. They ALWAYS had a tape rewinder beside them that was working the entire shift because of late returns. I miss Blockbuster. Saturday nights BEFORE CLOSING, you'll see lots of people loitering around just waiting for that hot movie people want to watch, every time a tape is returned thru the bin LOL

@alison-ip8ky Жыл бұрын

One thing to add - in the early/mid 80s, you could rent a VHS player to see a movie. My family didn't buy a VCR until around 1986. Before that when a major movie came out, we'd rent a VCR and invite the entire neighborhood over to see it. I remember being the most popular kid in my class when we rented a VCR and the first Ghostbusters movie. And I remember going to see Star Wars at a neighbor who had rented either a Betamax or VCR. I don't remember which. But it was a big deal to rent a player, not just the tapes. I don't remember anyone my neighborhood actually owning one until the mid 80s.

@silkwesir1444 11 ай бұрын

yeah it wasn't until late 80s, early 90s that they became a common household item instead of being a rich people thing.

@alli_mode Жыл бұрын

I like the cameo of Jake Lafrontel. He should be on more episodes! 💛🧡💚

@matt45540 Жыл бұрын

you mean Divorce Phil

@KomradZX1989 Жыл бұрын

Watching this while having breakfast in town this morning and your line “We’re covering everything from Blu-Ray to Laserdisc to Protestantism!” Made me burst out laughing which got me a few odd looks. Just another great day watching one of your awesome videos 😂❤ Have a great day good sir 😝

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

thanks- likewise!

@ryanortega1511 Жыл бұрын

OK, but how would Protestantism actually fit in to all this? I kid, I think I get the joke now.

@KomradZX1989 Жыл бұрын

@@ryanortega1511 the randomness just hit my funny bone like a ton of bricks lol. It made me burst out a loud “HAHA!” And I look up with people like “uhhhhhh…” *STARE*

@dwarftoad Жыл бұрын

@@ryanortega1511 Something something, porn on VHS?

@ryanortega1511 Жыл бұрын

I think it's the idea of Protestantism being a "format" of Christianity.

@akira5506 Жыл бұрын

yo dude just wanted to say i really appreciate your vids and love coming back to them , you’ve introduced me to topics I’ve probably never look at myself and for that thank u

@mshonle Жыл бұрын

Regarding recording length, the pertinent number is how many cassettes were required to hold a movie. In the VHS world, a double tape movie would be fairly rare and represent an actually long movie. It’s my understanding that a double tape Betamax movie was more common. Regarding recording quality, perhaps that is a matter of the quality of cameras, too. Local news organizations used Beta for a long time after the VHS won out on the consumer side.

@bluetoes591 Жыл бұрын

Later, completely incompatible versions of the Beta tape were still the standard ENG camera recording medium until around 2010 when tape started to be phased out. But still being used today by professionals, which VHS definitely isn't.

@SomePotato Жыл бұрын

That was most likely Betacam, which was very successful in the professional market.

@okaro6595 Жыл бұрын

In Europe the recording lenghts were different, The standard tape here was 3 hours and the longer 4 hours, with 195 minutes etc. in between. There even was a rare 5 hour tape. With Beta the standard length was 3 hours 15 minutes. On the other had on VHS LP was less common, only on better recorders and EP was very common, only appearing at the end of the VHS era (I have a Panasonic VCR that can record 12 hours on EP on a 4 hour tape. The tape speed in Europe was slower than in the US.

@AaronOfMpls Жыл бұрын

Though TV news used Betacam, not Betamax. The tapes themselves were (originally) physically the same, but the signal recorded onto them was different and incompatible -- and more suited to TV stations' needs. (Technology Connections made a video not long ago about Betacam and how it differed from Betamax. ...Including optional larger-size cassettes that could hold more tape than the Betamax-sized ones.)

@mcmillan.2k Жыл бұрын

The crossing your arms for the basic cable bit.... god damn you nailed it.

@ChristopherSmith-il6fo Жыл бұрын

One thing I love about your videos is that while being informative, one comedic thing always takes me out. Like I have to pause to laugh and rethink my life kind of funny.

@vraaac2687 Жыл бұрын

Very nice video ! In Europe we had a third challenger : the philips and grundig's "V2000", from 1979 to 1988. V2000 was technically better with an image stabilizer but Philips and Grunding came after the battle, the VHS had already won.

@pauljakeman Жыл бұрын

Really loved this deep dive. Awesome video Phil.

@chrisgenovese8188 Жыл бұрын

If they had just named it ALPHAmax... Great video Phil. I really enjoy these videos of brand competition and companies we take for granted. There is usually an interesting story.

@InfectiousGroovePodcast Жыл бұрын

This was the first format war I remember as a kid. Our family was squarely in the VHS camp but I had an uncle who was very much on the Beta side of the fence. I seriously remember my dad and my uncle having loud arguments about it but I was too young to really know the ins and outs of their arguments. It's because of that format war, that I've taken it super slow with all tech since then.

@ffrostyyy 10 ай бұрын

wow. found this video on a total whim and it’s really well done & researched. good stuff

@soodalhandle Жыл бұрын

lol your acting skills are sketches are getting so better. Good content as always

@EndHall Жыл бұрын

I still (try to) record VHS to this day. I have a VCR in my dorm and have so much fun rewatching very modern shows on tape and such. Great video and amazing storytelling!

@PsRohrbaugh Жыл бұрын

It's also important to remember just how expensive these devices were. My parents graduated college in 1981, and didn't own a VCR until 1987.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

yeah the prices are mind boggling!

@susilgunaratne4267 Жыл бұрын

Panasonic NV - 300 was the 1st less expensive model.

@Rhomega Жыл бұрын

Yeah, my parents graduated in 1982. They went with LaserDisc.

@AaronOfMpls Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile my parents bought a Betamax VCR _and_ a BetaMovie camcorder in the mid-'80s, with part of a windfall from a legal settlement. (They bought new cars in '85-'86 too.) They'd been Sony fans for years already -- _all_ our household TVs were Trinitrons, and many of our stereo components were Sony -- so Betamax seemed like an obvious choice to them. Our _second_ VCR, though, was a Sony VHS model, bought in the early '90s after the _last_ video store in our part of town that rented Beta ... stopped renting Beta.

@kelvarnsen 5 ай бұрын

Prices of actual movies on tape was insane too. My dad owned a small video store that he started in the mid 1980's and I can remember those days him ordering tapes from his distributor and then costing around $100 bucks. Say what you will about Netflix killing video rental stores, the big killer was when a parent could just buy their kid a copy of The Little mermaid from Walmart for $20 and watch it forever rather than having to rent it every weekend.

@JoshuaTime861 Жыл бұрын

your work is so amazing! please keep it up!

@MrBaskins2010 Жыл бұрын

wow man another fire video. really loved VHS as a kid. remember how expensive the family switch to DVD was

@perrybarton Жыл бұрын

When this came up in my feed, my first thought was “yeah, I‘ve been down this road before.” But you immediately made it clear that you and Leather Boy had a different story to tell. Nice job, Phil. And bonus points for “Warner Siblings.” 😎

@ads998 6 ай бұрын

I have to admit, I've watched a lot of content on this topic (and lived through the format wars as a kid), but this is the most comprehensive breakdown to date. I was honestly convinced it was about recording time, but you've covered that really well here. Thanks for this, I feel better informed about a topic no one under 40 would understand haha!

@MontegaB Жыл бұрын

Great video, and I love all the references in your description, very very good work. I think it's Mat-sooh-shee-ta though :)

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I tried to just copy Panasonics pronunciation video but it's a journey...

@ShovaSG1 Жыл бұрын

It was a reoccurring theme with Sony. They came up with a lot of stuff over the years that didnt pan out because of arrogance and/or over pricing. They seemed to have learned their lesson though

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

this is the first time i realized i forgot to mention this video was shot on a sony!

@MattPlachecki Жыл бұрын

Memory Stick, anyone?

@coal.sparks Жыл бұрын

I found this channel today and was bingeing as one does, and that first Format Wars Quick Fact popped up. It's weird when you find someone online who is so clearly a member of the same tribe. :) We live in the future.

@wkmr Жыл бұрын

Saw this come out today just after watching Be Kind Rewind for the first time last night! What a fun celebration of movies and community

@garrettwagner5270 Жыл бұрын

I like what youre doing to my feed, Phil. Great videos

@gamewizardks Жыл бұрын

That's why I jumped on the VHS format as a teenager back then. VHS became a bandwagon and most anyone you knew agreed that VHS was best because that was the machine they also bought. Matsushita brought down the cost better than Sony and that was the decisive factor.

@seahawk124 Жыл бұрын

Jake Lafontrelle needs to be a recurring character with his own story arc, Phil!

@KennyRider137 Жыл бұрын

Our family went from Super 8 Heckle and Jeckyl films to dollar store Laurel and Hardy VHS tapes. The REAL war was between whether someone got to play Atari or some else watching a tape on the ONE television.

@BOABModels Жыл бұрын

This was really interesting - I'm slightly too young to remember Betamax but I'm familiar with the battle between formats as I remember Blu ray vs HD DVD. It was Sony which ended up on the winning side that time around. I remember my PS3 could play Blu rays whilst my friend's Xbox 360 needed an additional update to play HD dvds.

@ThommyofThenn Жыл бұрын

That "basic cable 'history'" satire is just too funny. After seeing that and your calvin and Hobbes video, I'm fully on board with this channel

@EvenFilms Жыл бұрын

This gave me such strong mid 2000s “History” channel vibes. Great job as always!

@robinayers Жыл бұрын

Loving this channel!

@PSingletary Жыл бұрын

Your posts are an excellent pairing with my CBS Sunday Morning watch.

@kaasdale4660 Жыл бұрын

Nice Video. A kind of different take on the format wars!

@Keith.Zielinski Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the trip down memory lane! All I knew as a boy, I was excited we had a VCR and my favorite gift from my aunt was the Ghostbusters VHS which got years of enjoyment! As a child growing up in that era I never correlated how financial clout lead to certain consumer products. Now as an adult, it's understandable, money makes the world turn.

@The_Sofa_King Жыл бұрын

I remember when I was young and vhs was so popular. It felt good to be able to watch movies as many times as I wanted! Never even heard of Betamax at all.

@silkwesir1444 11 ай бұрын

Never even heard it? Ever? Not even in passing? Wow...

@magister61 Жыл бұрын

I love to see the vintage ads of the first video recorders. They take me to my young years and to remember the magic there was in those magic machines.

@zamiadams4343 Жыл бұрын

Great video sir! I'm obsessed with VHS and Betamax.

@tumslucks9781 Жыл бұрын

I used to be like you. Then I got myself a girlfriend.

@andrewrossy Жыл бұрын

Great video … my only question is why is there not 500k views on this video ? Completely underrated.

@moonlitegram 9 ай бұрын

Our family initially had a Beta VCR and I remember going to our local video store to rent movies. The store itself was very tiny in comparison to what rental stores would become. And on top of that the Beta section was also much smaller than the VHS section. And that's what eventually became the deciding factor for us. My dad eventually caved and shelled out the money for another VCR, this time one that played VHS tapes, so that we'd stop bugging him about not having as big of a selection to choose from on movie nights.

@patrickmusson4571 Жыл бұрын

College Football, the NFL, and the MLB played a huge part in the success of VHS, as well as the invention of the VHS LP/SP feature, whereby you could record whole Football and Baseball games and watch them when you got home on a weekend.

@Bflorio12 Жыл бұрын

This is great! I was kinda hoping for some stuff on RCA Selectavision too…that’s another weird 80s home Video thing. I still have one.

@thenewnostalgia Жыл бұрын

Consistently, your content and delivery far outshine the competition.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

thanks!!

@Nickyy64 Жыл бұрын

Next on why blank won: Protestantism

@joshtodd2369 Жыл бұрын

I just discovered this channel and I'm so glad I did 👏👏👏 Edit: if it helps, it was the NASA Graphics video that was thrown up on my feed.

@contextwithjohnmalone Жыл бұрын

Format Wars! lol I love it! Ok now you have to make a video on Monster Truck Rallies. “Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!” 🤣 You make the most entertaining, educational, and nostalgic videos Phil.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

if i can figure out how to expense monster truck tickets, i will definitely do it

@contextwithjohnmalone Жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc I’ll get you a hot pass so you can get into the staging area/garage with the trucks and drivers. My email is in my about section on my channel.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

@@contextwithjohnmalone haha shoot! alright i'm gonna do my research and add to my list!

@contextwithjohnmalone Жыл бұрын

@@PhilEdwardsInc let me know if you have any questions. I worked in racing over 25 years in NASCAR and IMSA and Formula1. My family owned an IndyCar team as well.

@silverXnoise Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to Jake Lafontrelle’s “Side Boob Monthly” spinoff.

@davecerv Жыл бұрын

Wonderful video! I never even knew about Beta growing up until my late teens. I’ve never watched a beta format video.

@karehaqt Жыл бұрын

I feel so old now, my family's first VCR was VHS and the remote was attached with a wire.

@silkwesir1444 11 ай бұрын

ever seen a remote that worked by making a sound that the TV set would pick up?

@realtsarbomba Жыл бұрын

I think home videos played a significant role, I still remember (circa 1983-4) that in my hometown had just a couple of movie rental shops with BETA but tens of rental shops with VHS' and the latter had a much larger selection.

@MotownBatman Жыл бұрын

Great Video! New Sub; Dryden, MI Atari vs Magnavox... Suggestion, but Imma go see what all you've done. Great Job Again!

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

never encountered the magnavox story before - pretty interesting!!

@robdavlin 11 ай бұрын

Great attention to detail. Thanks for reminder that the user experience goes way beyond the technology, what is available in the complete ecosystem matters.

@WXFD-Media Жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil! ❤

@ExperimentIV Жыл бұрын

my dad was an early adopter of Beta, and all my early home movies are on it. he had a portable beta VCR and a camera with it, and when he was a young man in the 80s, he took that rig on Space Mountain, vcr between his knees, camera on his shoulder. beta was a lot better in Beta I (vs Beta II and Beta II), but Beta I recording was removed as an option for recording fairly early on. also, beta being mono-only (i don’t think it ever had stereo, but i could be wrong?) probably had an impact when people were buying stereos in the mid to late 80s.

@ryanortega1511 Жыл бұрын

They did have "Beta Hi-fi".

@RobJaskula Жыл бұрын

My grandparents had a Betamax VCR and I fondly remember a lot of the tapes, but they never had more than one wall at Blockbuster and by the early 90s you just couldn't find Beta except for like, the clearance section at Service Merchandise. Grandma and Grandpa got a VHS by 1992 but we still played the Beta tapes up until DVDs came out - they were high-quality cassettes.

@JMartinsATV Жыл бұрын

Phil is slowly descending into madness and I’m here for it.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

slowly?

@michaelparks3106 Жыл бұрын

As someone who sold VCRs in the early days (the first Betamax was only available in a console with a 19" Trinitron TV for $2,000.) you pretty much nailed the reason VHS won, but overlooked why so many other manufacturers adopted VHS. Sony, like Apple, wanted total control of the format and actually resisted having other manufacturers make Beta machines. JVC by comparison licensed the technology to anybody and everybody who wanted to make a machine. Flooding the market this way created the snowball effect you mentioned: more people owned VHS, so movie companies released their movies primarily on VHS. Video rental stores mainly had VHS tapes, so more people bought VHS machines. Classic chicken-and-egg feeding each other. As for picture quality, testing resulted in slightly better numbers for Beta, but in a side-by-side in-store comparison, most people couldn't see any difference. Combine a lower price and longer recording time (in the early days) and VHS just steamrolled over Beta.

@brendannahor1460 Жыл бұрын

First "home video" film I ever saw was "Footloose" on a friends Betamax video system in the early 1980's! 🤔

@Super_Bros. 10 ай бұрын

VHS collecting has come back into style and they are even opening a store that specifically sells only VHS in a near city. I have actually begun collecting, as VHS is nostalgic.

@paleoph6168 Жыл бұрын

2:57 I had to do a double take as I thought you said "video file" lol

@yvescrepeau5955 Жыл бұрын

Quite entertaining my father had a Betamax machine in our house and as a reel to reel when cassettes were becoming popular

@AnalogDave Жыл бұрын

Hat backwards Phil is legit the coolest guy in that room!

@pablocasas5906 Жыл бұрын

I had a VCR growing up in the late 90s and early 2000s, but I never seen a Betamax in my life. I only knew about it existence because of references in shows like The Simpsons

@apatil Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed this one..👍🏻 Had no idea a competition for VHS existed, let alone something called betamax.

@Daniel-yc1ff Жыл бұрын

A lesser-known format war: VHD vs. CED vs. LaserDisc The disk based format wars predating VideoDisc and DVD.

@dwarftoad Жыл бұрын

The tech specs would have mattered more at the beginning, when it was a cool new technology for early adopters or even a luxury product. (But then price not as much a factor) but once it entered mass adoption then yes, the network effects of movie availability, availability in electronics stores (and which system the stores decided to promote or recommend), what your friends had, etc. would have been the main thing.

@RabbitEarsCh Жыл бұрын

This was wonderful. I'd long wondered precisely what happened since I'm from a sort of Betamax island country. The perfect storm of Sony having very longstanding and deep ties to Venezuela (Matsushita and allies never had a real office there, Sony did!), and there just not being that big of a population, meant that we were a Betamax-preferred country all the way up until the early 90s when the machines to play the tapes just flatly stopped being manufactured. My dad recalls scrambling whenever they got a tape from the US with a pilot for something they could potentially license because they only had one VHS machine in the whole building - no one was using it most of the time anyway. He worked as general operations manager for 1BC, the backing company of the biggest TV channel, RCTV at the time, and the network effect was different - in his industry, the integration with U-Matic was obvious, and in the general country, Sony having a real presence drove prices down (since they handled the importing - not the grey market) and increased reliability since you could go to Sony themselves for repairs. Living in that bizarro world means we didn't really appreciate what was going on elsewhere, and I'm glad to finally see just how stark the difference in Matsushita's manufacturing power was, and the effect it had. And similarly: different markets have wildly different needs, and you may not appreciate them until later.

@shmuck66 Жыл бұрын

yey! a new phil edwards vid. my life is good today

@davidmylchreest3306 Жыл бұрын

We had Betamax growing up and I distinctly remember having to go through the door of the rental shop down to the back and round the corner to find the Betamax rack in a dimly lit corner. It was like one unit to ten VHS units.

@christopherbenigni4373 Жыл бұрын

Another great video!

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

glad you have something to watch. i'm still waiting for a miwaco upload

@caeserromero3013 Жыл бұрын

The story wasn't exactly the same everywhere but fairly similar. In the UK VHS won out because floods of cheap VHS players were available to the rental companies, as in the early days, many people in the UK rented their TV's and VCR's. The biggest rental companies had a deal with Thorn EMI and Philips to supply VHS players for the domestic rental market and the rest is history. My parents weren't well off but Dad liked to buy what he thought was 'The best' and saved up and bought a Sony Betamax (with Video camera setup) in 1980 (there's a tale of him coming home one night from work to find me, as a 2 year old, chewing on a 1hr tape that cost him something like £50+. He ended up splicing it back together and ending up with a 40 minute tape!). We still have Beta home move film from the early 80's that is playable. But as the majority of VCRs in the UK were VHS, the tape rental store only ever had a miniscule selection of Beta titles. That's how I ended up with a life long affection for Flash Gordon. I went in wanting Raiders of the Lost Ark (which I'd seen at my Aunts the weekend before on her Sanyo VHS) but they didn't have it. So I rented Flash Gordon instead. Most of the movies we had for the betamax were either taped from TV or pirate movies I got from my uncle (Terminator, Escape from New York, Conan the Barbarian & Battle Star Galactica). Dad finally caved in 1987 and we bought a VHS (which my brother promptly destroyed by trying to use a skateboard in the living room). But ever since '87, we only ever had VHS until DVD came along and we switched in the late 90's. I ended up having that old skateboard damaged VHS in my bedroom after dad repaired it. Many happy memories of that machine. Beta actually carried on in Japan and units were still made up until about 2000, I believe.

@harrisonmartin5830 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the LaserDisc vs CED showdown in the format wars

@reganlandau Жыл бұрын

A few of the local broadcast news stations I worked for really dug in their heels with beta. To be fair, editing tape-to-tape on beta was really simple (and easy to teach to a novice)-- but we were airing at least a portion of video in newscasts directly from beta decks until at least 2006

@ryanortega1511 Жыл бұрын

You're thinking of Betacam. That's a similar but different format.

@michaelinglis567 Жыл бұрын

I'm restoring my grandfathers tube radio currently. Pretty much done all the electrolytic and paper caps and aesthetic repairs. But my point is, it came with its stock Matsushita tubes and I just recently learned all about Matsushita. They made quality components for what they were at least. It's sad that they as well as so many other stopped making vacuum tubes / : The current production tubes available now that I use in my guitar amps are lucky to last 2 years, most die at a year to a year and a half. And that's dispite the fact I go to extreame measures to not run them too hard. But those Matsushita tubes (a budget option in their day) from 1960 are all still working, it's no myth that the quality of our manufacturing in most industrys has considerably decreased unfortunately.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

The founder has a pretty cool story I'd never heard of. Just cool to imagine a titan who saw the potential of...electricity...and ended up with this empire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dnosuke_Matsushita

@kelownatechkid Жыл бұрын

Blu-ray next please... Also, IDK how this might work but I'd love to hear your take on Blu-ray 3D. It's an awe-inspiring format.

@teddyfurstman1997 Жыл бұрын

Your look on VHS ans Betamax is exciting. Love Movie formats.

@-fuk57 7 ай бұрын

That Videophile magazine gives off a real 'swinger couple' vibe.

@PhilEdwardsInc 7 ай бұрын

very much so

@newecreator Жыл бұрын

Man, I need to digitize that one Betamax of my baptismal back in the Philippines.

@pocphotocompany Жыл бұрын

Intersting-we bought a panasonic VHS player in 1980. Betamax did win out however in the broadcast arena. It became the standard for all ENG type stuff and was the go to for laying down all content that eventually made its way across the airwaves in North America and I'm guessing in most of the world as well. I worked in a studio that had at least 5 beta machines in the control room alone. Digibeta eventually became the standard as technology advanced. Though I'm sure places still use it beta-everything is moving towards files that live in the cloud.

@geeseareassholes Жыл бұрын

loved the perspective on this, movie rentals are often neglected and I completely forgot about manufacturing side question: will Jake be back for the inevitable video on the Protestant Revolution and its consequences?

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

maybe if he doesn't get that callback for the Whirlpool commercial.

@NickRaven Жыл бұрын

"Thank you for calling your local cable monopoly, how can I help you today?" "Yes, I need whatever channel Phil Edwards is on." "Well, I'll be more than happy to help you with that today. Phil Edwards is part of the Delightful Cable Channel Tier and that goes for an additional $5 a month." "I'll take it! I'm literally throwing my cash at the phone receiver right now!" (everyone laughs, outro Local Cable Monopoly logo build)

@timkennedy1192 Жыл бұрын

You explained well. I owned a Betamax and used it for several years, but eventually I had to go VHS. Now, there is streaming. Expensive too in a sneaky way.

@janmos5178 Жыл бұрын

Good video debunking some myths about Beta and VHS, great knowledge. Greetings

@Skittenmeow Жыл бұрын

I know my national broadcaster ABC (Australia) required betamax format for any media submissions up until a few years ago. Unsure if that is still the case, but if you wanted anything featured on ABC you needed to submit it on Betamax cassette. Particularly for anyone wanting to submit their own dodgy home-made content (i.e. myself) to the music video programme "Rage" - meant there was a small but steady industry around converting VHS to Betamax for a long time in Australia.

@PhilEdwardsInc Жыл бұрын

interesting!

@nathanmeyer6743 Жыл бұрын

Now I feel I need Format Wars for real

@jons.6216 Жыл бұрын

There was that other video format - the RCA movie disks! Big and clunky and hard to scan through! I recently saw a small collection of them in a thrift store! Haha!