Why you should DUMP Cinema 4D for BLENDER (in 2023)

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QuickVFX

QuickVFX

Күн бұрын

Hello, everyone! Welcome back to our channel.
Today, we're comparing two powerful 3D creation tools, Blender and Cinema 4D.
Though both are remarkable in their own right, we'll focus on why many creators choose Blender, over Cinema 4D.
So, buckle up, because we're jumping into: 10 reasons why Blender is superior to Cinema 4D.
Number 1. It's free to use.
First up, and perhaps the most enticing reason, is cost. Blender is absolutely FREE to use. Yes, you heard it right. Free. Whereas Cinema 4D, while providing a free lite version, charges a hefty amount for its full-featured version. For hobbyists, students, or small studios, Blender provides a cost-effective solution without compromising on features.
Number 2. Open Source Advantage.
Blender's open-source nature is another major advantage. This means its source code is available to all, which fosters innovation and rapid improvements. The Blender community is constantly developing new features and fixing bugs, leading to frequent updates that Cinema 4D's proprietary model can't quite match.
Number 3. All-in-One Solution.
Thirdly, Blender is an all-in-one solution. It's not just a 3D modeling software. You can sculpt, animate, simulate, render, composite, and even edit your videos within Blender itself. Cinema 4D, while strong in animation and simulation, often requires additional software for complete workflows.
Number 4. Superior Sculpting Tools.
For those interested in digital sculpting, Blender's tools are often considered superior to those of Cinema 4D. Blender's sculpting feels more intuitive, with advanced features like dynamic topology and better brush customization.
Number 5. Game Creation.
The fifth reason is Blender's game engine. While it's no Unity or Unreal, Blender provides basic game creation tools. Cinema 4D lacks this feature altogether, so for those interested in dabbling in game design, Blender provides an entry point.

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@KokoroDenshin
@KokoroDenshin Жыл бұрын
To newbies, don't look back, don't be distracted, carry on whatever you are already good at, life's too short to learn everything.🤭
@gv0zdysh0k
@gv0zdysh0k Жыл бұрын
aahhh))))) great piece of advise! so true!
@achenyouchenyo4862
@achenyouchenyo4862 9 ай бұрын
Best advice on the internet for 3D artist
@gppanicker
@gppanicker Жыл бұрын
I'm a Blender user, and I love it very much. But to be honest, if you're into motion graphics, I would recommend going with C4D. I find it to be much better in that regard. The mograph tools in C4D are super cool. It's true that geometry nodes in Blender are very powerful, but they can be challenging to use. If you want to create more complex effects, it's better to go with Houdini instead of these two. So, choose the program that best suits your needs.
@eprpop
@eprpop Жыл бұрын
You are a Blender user, not a Blender Pro...
@gppanicker
@gppanicker Жыл бұрын
@@eprpop that's true.
@redfalconvfx7050
@redfalconvfx7050 10 ай бұрын
As a cinema user, this is all bullshit, if you know how to use your tool then that is it cox you're the artist, not the tool. I have a colleague who uses Blender sometimes we challenge each other by using these 2 software. and I always get the best result by using C4D Cox I am more experienced than him not because Blender is worse than Cinema. use your tool and become a pro that is it.
@eyefisher
@eyefisher Жыл бұрын
I've been using Cinema 4D's node system for geometry on a lot of projects lately, and use the node-based textures in C4D exclusively. To say Cinema 4D's materials are layer-based is silly. No one uses Cinema 4D's layer system for materials anymore.
@ed61730
@ed61730 Жыл бұрын
He clearly doesn't use Redshift
@neoqueto
@neoqueto 6 ай бұрын
True, not for materials, but shaders do have other uses like displacement, volumes, all kinds of distributions. I've gotten so used to Physical render that it's second nature to me and the old layer-based system, while cumbersome and sub-optimal for any kind of modern workflow is still very underrated. If I showed you the kind of shaders and materials I pulled off with it you would not be able to believe it was all done without any nodes. But as you say, it's 2024, we've all moved on onto node-based UI generally speaking. Even Maxon did when they made Redshift CPU the default.
@leonidrybakovski3803
@leonidrybakovski3803 Жыл бұрын
You don’t need to dump C4D for anything else. It is a great piece of software, and if you are into VFX or Motion Graphics field you should spend your time in sharpening your skills in this program.
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
I did...see 10 years of tutorials
@hz_rd
@hz_rd Жыл бұрын
​@@Quick_VFXI don't think this message is for you. I think many of these responses are to your click bait title. People are just saying that if you're already comfortable with c4d then don't feel bad continuing to hone your skills in your preferred software.
@alexandregache6835
@alexandregache6835 Жыл бұрын
No it s shit
@travisissoocool
@travisissoocool 28 күн бұрын
C4D might be the motion graphics industry standard for now, but with the number of Blender users out there, I bet the next generation will move on. Blender is no longer the lacking in features software it was 5-10 years ago. It could be the case the standard changes and all us old C4D users will have to learn blender anyways
@terrordisco2944
@terrordisco2944 10 ай бұрын
Cinema 4D has had node based materials for a couple of years now. Does this guy know what he’s talking about?
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
Even tho the video is cool, many points mentioned in this video are kinda wrong and also the list was very lackluster with actually missing genuine reasons why people might choose Blender over C4D or other softwares. Blender doesn't have the game engine anymore, it was removed like back in 2018, so I don't know how up to date the person who made this video with information related to Blender is because Blender today and 3-4 years ago was a completely different beast. 1. The hard surface modeling tools are way superior in Blender than any other software. Anyone who has modelled in Blender would know what I'm talking about and especially the combination of modifiers is impeccable. 2. Blender has much advanced rigging tools and animation tools especially for character animations compared to C4D. 3. Probably the biggest feature Blender has added in the past 2 years that wasn't even mentioned in this video which is literally game changing for Blender, that's geometry nodes. Being able to use node to procedurally model, soon animate rig, simulate is game changing and it's pretty much going towards Houdini while being much less complicated and way more geared towards generalists. 4. Blender doesn't have the best UV tools in the market, that would probably go to Maya because Autodesk bought the best UV plugin company and shoved it into Maya, but for UV editing Blender is miles ahead of C4D. 5. Blender comes with 2 render engines and they are both CPU and GPU accelerated. One is realtime and another is path traced. 6. Blender has a compositor built in. Although it's not gonna rival Nuke or Fusion anytime soon, it's great to have a node-based compositor right inside of a 3D software to quickly shuffle out different passes and do some light mix compositing with light groups in Blender. And not to mention the new viewport compositor that has been added in Blender that literally lets you do composite in realtime on your viewport and not just put some post effects filter. 7. Blender has a massive addon ecosystem, those cheap addons (cheap becasue they are usually one time purchase and cost like 1/10th of most C4D plugins) extend Blender massively and adds cutting edge features and workflows that no other software has or atleast exclusive to one software. Addons like hardops and boxcutter have become the go to workflow in game industry and people working at playstation, CD project red are using it to make games. These points could've been made instead of saying points like Blender is free and open source and making 2 points about it out of 10.
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
@@cazztl Probably that's why it's outdated and mentioned the game engine as well lol. Should've used the newer GPT4 that's $20/m over the free GPT3 lol.
@BecineStudio
@BecineStudio Жыл бұрын
It's the second video that I watch from him that is outdated and was posted this month. Bro, tha'ts really not good
@csmemarketing
@csmemarketing Жыл бұрын
Your comment can make a more informed video.
@Manar80s
@Manar80s 10 ай бұрын
blender look like a toy compared to 3ds max specially on modeling hard surface
@csmemarketing
@csmemarketing 10 ай бұрын
@@Manar80s oh really?
@olegseevak8065
@olegseevak8065 Жыл бұрын
Who is this false advertisement of the Blender designed for, for those who have never opened Cinema 4D. I work in C4D and have tried many times to switch to work in a Blender and I still don't like it, despite the fact that it is free - precisely because of the very inconvenient interface and other logic. Only those who are not familiar with any 3D program can buy into this
@anmstudio
@anmstudio Жыл бұрын
I moved from C4D to Blender recently then I realized that modeling in c4d is so painful.
@ZeewaqarHusnain
@ZeewaqarHusnain 11 ай бұрын
facebook.com/zee.hus.7 All made in c4D. Kindly see from top to bottom by scrolling down. Thanks.
@jbdh6510
@jbdh6510 Ай бұрын
What do you think is better in Blender Modeling? Have you used the latest version of C4D?
@travisissoocool
@travisissoocool 28 күн бұрын
It's crazy they don't have dynamic topology in C4D. I think it's because Maxon owns Z-Brush so they don't want to make that property obsolete. If true, that would be such a scummy monopolistic behavior on Maxon's part.
@Riley_Christian
@Riley_Christian 19 күн бұрын
@@travisissoocool "scummy monopolistic behavior" is why these proprietary softwares exist lol. Don't get me wrong, the autodesk, maxon, adobe softwares are great, but there's a reason they are not programmed modularly like blender. Blender is more of a massive modular 3D framework to add "addons/extensions" depending on your use case, while these "proprietary" softwares rely on you buying an entire new software often with many overlapping functionality (essentially double paying for certain features) or buying a subscription bundle, even tho you only need a few of them in the bundle.... Its all scummy monopolistic behavior, that's exactly what it is :)
@travisissoocool
@travisissoocool 28 күн бұрын
As a professional motion graphics artist, I'm now learning Blender even though I'm a killer C4D user. Mainly it's for Grease Pencil, integrated dynamic topology sculpting, and an expanded set of nodes of materials (specifically the voronoi shading node). Price isn't the issue for me as a single day at my rate pays for a year of C4D, but these specific tools to make stylized 3D/2D looks haven't really been brought to C4D. It's also kinda crazy Maxon One costs almost twice as much as the Adobe full suite. If you add greyscale gorilla plus to the mix, you end up at $140 a month.
@SeanTuckerChooboo
@SeanTuckerChooboo Жыл бұрын
Agree with some of the comments here. This is quite a click bait video, which seems misinformed / lazy. Using both bits of software, you're not even mentioning Blenders main strengths, i.e Geometry Nodes, Eevee, Cycles X, poly modeling capability, its huge affordable addon ecosystem etc. Im pretty sure not many serious artist are that interested in Using Blender in VR which seems more like q gimmick Also misinformed, C4D does have a material node system that is comparible if not better than Blender's, along with a comprehensive houdini like geometry nodes system of its own, which has baffelingly little press.
@rano12321
@rano12321 Жыл бұрын
Well maxon doesn't care much about scene nodes anyways so it's more likely not gonna be equivalent to geo nodes in Blender anytime soon.
@osefman2763
@osefman2763 Жыл бұрын
​@@rano12321I've been using tge latest version of c4d lately and played a little bit with nodes and i was surprised to see so many nodes. The fact that you can use those nodes like modifier if you want or even creating hda like houdini is a big plus. And all of that have been made pretty recently, that make me think that maxon also wants to take the nodes route.
@ZeewaqarHusnain
@ZeewaqarHusnain 11 ай бұрын
My query is simple. If I switch from c4D to Blender how long would it take to model this. drive.google.com/file/d/1yzGt3RgYYdIWAemXzcq4fIbiAVddGpuZ/view?usp=sharing And is it easy in terms of methodology of nodes.
@ramyissa20
@ramyissa20 Жыл бұрын
I love watching 3d softwares comparisons don't know why although I did already used both of them for extended period of time both are great but some of the reasons you mentioned are not that important
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
Cinema 4D certainly wins the UX competition
@yassermedjamia8848
@yassermedjamia8848 Жыл бұрын
Welcome back, its been a while What happened with c4d ? It was ur baby software no?
@csmemarketing
@csmemarketing Жыл бұрын
They dumped the game engine, but it's alive and well in a blender fork called UPBGE. If I have to use a game engine, I prefer Godot Engine myself. I don't make games yet, but game engines are great for ArchViz projects. You can see great examples of these in Unreal Engine, Unity, and some in Godot.
@kwesikwaa
@kwesikwaa Жыл бұрын
ive used both, especially c4d extensively.. but i love Houdini most.
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
Yeah me too..if I need something quick it's Cinema 4D...Houdini I play around and have fun but sometimes I need it, if I need an explosion, cloud or fluid
@kwesikwaa
@kwesikwaa Жыл бұрын
@@Quick_VFX i find myself using houdini 95% of the time now. the solaris workflow is gold
@SmartBrainhumanoid
@SmartBrainhumanoid Жыл бұрын
i used both c4d and blender professionally, i can say this man dont know what he talking about half of the time, don't use this video as you reference its not a good comparison video.
@-schattenpflanze-3755
@-schattenpflanze-3755 Жыл бұрын
hes got a point about sculpting tho, C4D scultpting sucks, but while Blender has better sculpting everyone ultimately uses Zbrush anyway. Also you would need to purchase Xparticles and its Ensydium render engine for C4D if you want to animate fluids and particle effects.
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
except I run a channel where I have done tutorials for 10 years. What are your credentials
@-schattenpflanze-3755
@-schattenpflanze-3755 Жыл бұрын
@@Quick_VFX that comment sounds a bit overrated coming from you, considering that most of your channel contains some of the most basic 5 minute tutorials about VFX on versions like R15/16...like a better support for your comment would be if you'd have a big name in the movie and media industry or present a massive project you have worked on with recent C4D versions.
@SmartBrainhumanoid
@SmartBrainhumanoid Жыл бұрын
@@-schattenpflanze-3755 yea, thats why i said half of the time, he got some points, but half of it was outdated info or misinformation, thus not a good comparison video.
@osefman2763
@osefman2763 Жыл бұрын
​@@-schattenpflanze-3755why do think maxon bought zbrush for?
@azizakhmedov
@azizakhmedov Жыл бұрын
Today you dump Cinema 4D for any other 3d software and spend more learning time for nothing. Tomorrow Maxon releases a bunch of new C4D features that may change the game. Thanks for the weak attempt to change my mind.
@TutorialCells
@TutorialCells Жыл бұрын
oh my god ! again ! Hello, it is not right to divide the software in general and say that this is bad and that is good! This is a personal opinion! Each software has its own power. And that one should be chosen based on the amount of cost, ease and difficulty, and the time you have and the goal
@LipNeedsMoreCoffee
@LipNeedsMoreCoffee 8 ай бұрын
Im changing C4D to Blender because i cant make a living out of this yet and C4D is way too expensive for my budget right now, thanks for the insight.
@terrordisco2944
@terrordisco2944 10 ай бұрын
C4D has python too. The reason it has so many plugins is that it offers such access. I’m here to see if I should switch to blender, I’m sad this video isn’t factual enough for me to trust it.
@EROSNERdesign
@EROSNERdesign Жыл бұрын
This guy really hates cd4.
@acidvideothomas8383
@acidvideothomas8383 Жыл бұрын
And Maxon one sucks really bad. Way too many bugs and annoying errors keep happening all the time
@mohamedalkawkabi8079
@mohamedalkawkabi8079 8 ай бұрын
I love how the next recommended video is "Dont switch C4D for Blender"
@11Briian
@11Briian Жыл бұрын
So?.. if you are a character designer, pic blender but if not, C4d as a motion graphics Soft, is WAY BETTER
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
definitely the goto tool for quick work...After 2 years of using Houdini Im equally fast there though
@cloudsl3
@cloudsl3 Жыл бұрын
While these are all great points, I feel like Cinema 4D has a much easier work flow which is why I still prefer it. I do wish it had images to planes though, that drives me crazy.
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
yes, best UI and UX design. Im gonna do 10 reasons why cinema 4d wins next
@undiescoverd
@undiescoverd Жыл бұрын
man the image to planes thing baffles me... I hate having to put images in the other orthographic views...
@ryefanoni504
@ryefanoni504 Жыл бұрын
“Cv import image as” is a add-on from c4ds cineversity that adds this functionality.
@abdelkarimkeraressi1418
@abdelkarimkeraressi1418 Жыл бұрын
by far blender is best 3D package. thats why Realflow did not want to dev addon for blender. even a simple python script to give you control wehn you export abc from rf to blender.
@m4r_art
@m4r_art 10 ай бұрын
I ditched Blender for Cinema 4d, how about that! ❤
@yofi2614
@yofi2614 7 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate why?
@bisherlVFX
@bisherlVFX 4 ай бұрын
nice jk
@m4r_art
@m4r_art 4 ай бұрын
@@yofi2614 Sure, It had better integration for my workflow, it has more simple to reach features. Rendering is faster and more intuitive. If I had to do complex modeling Blender would be my choice. But I don't work with cel shading and normals tweaking so Cinema 4d covers my needs for motion design and does it quite efficiently. My renders with Redshift always pop, my Cycles renders are lackluster. Eevee is a nice feature but I can use Unreal Engine for similar purposes. It's the only major thing Cinema 4d lacks in comparison, real time renderer. Altogether I still prefer working in C4D, I feel it involves more creative freedom and less technicality in many cases. Nodes are annoying and C4D offers me alternatives but not always. Having Red Giant plugins for AE as part of my package gives me next level art direction tools like Magic Bullet Looks which gives me A&B grading alternatives and it can turn a render or everyday around its head. Blender is cool but to me C4D is superior.
@yofi2614
@yofi2614 4 ай бұрын
Thanks man really appreciate, are you a motion designer by any chance?@@m4r_art
@theshizon
@theshizon Жыл бұрын
Next video are you going to tell people, "why you should dump BLENDER for HOUDINI" ?
@cemgulpunk
@cemgulpunk 11 ай бұрын
can't wait lol
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
Do you agree?
@kodowave1304
@kodowave1304 Жыл бұрын
I agree on something else
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
@@kodowave1304 lol
@rendericeib4513
@rendericeib4513 11 ай бұрын
For good or bad, learn one the paid big three (3ds Max, C4d, Maya) and also learn the best... BLender
@FattuTutorials
@FattuTutorials Жыл бұрын
Now a Days, I am also using Blender... its a really good and free
@bUildYT
@bUildYT Жыл бұрын
GEO NODES:)
@blendcreator
@blendcreator Жыл бұрын
Blender´s game engine is gone since 2.79.
@halloo20halloo
@halloo20halloo 5 ай бұрын
I believe coffee is not good for health,
@ahsanulturzo7783
@ahsanulturzo7783 Жыл бұрын
100% true video title.
@MAGAMAN
@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын
Don't forget that while blender may be free, most of the good addons are not.
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
Still much cheaper than paying for C4D and it's expensive plugins. Most Blender addons are one time purchase and they cost like 1/10th of most c4d plugins.
@LennyTrees
@LennyTrees Жыл бұрын
How do you dislike a video without watching it ? #Maxon
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
it's easy...you set your videos to not auto-play. You then load the video page and hit dislike without hitting the play button
@sk00ly
@sk00ly Жыл бұрын
mograph has entered the chat
@marcus_ohreallyus
@marcus_ohreallyus Жыл бұрын
The fact that you didn't mention that Cinema 4d has a take system and Blender does not just shows you shouldn't be making videos comparing anything. Any professional who uses a pass or take system knows that any software without that is unusable for client based work. Blender does do some things better than Cinema 4d, but without a pass system it'll never be a serious 3d software.
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
it's a series, everything is getting dumped on....I'll skip 3d studio max as that is a joke anyway
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
It's already more used pro VFX and game studios without having a take system more than C4D.
@yofi2614
@yofi2614 7 ай бұрын
It seems like there is NO reason to learn Cinema 4d! the only advatage it has is the natural integration with After Effect
@MAGAMAN
@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын
Blender is a joke. It's got all the buzzwords, but its all wrapped in a terrible interface designed by people who really don't know how a 3d program should operate and do not work in big studios. The base workflow of Blender is just idiotic. A game engine and VR a video editor don't belong in a 3d program. It's a waste of space and waste of resources. Cinema 4d does have a lot of issues, but you didn't mention any of the real problems it has.
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
good points
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
"it's all wrapped in a terrible interface designed by people who really don't know how a 3d program should operate and do not work in big studios" is that why maxon copied Blender's UI UX Icons layout everything with R25? And if UI was the only thing that you have problems with and that's the only thing you think Blender is bad about, I've got news for you. Pros don't care about the most pretty oversimplified UI, if that was the case then Houdini, Zbrush would never have been industry standards, it's all about workflow, tools and features. "The base workflow of Blender is just idiotic" the workflow in Blender isn't that different from max or maya, C4D on the other hand is way too over simplified hence anytime you wanna do something complex you have to use xpresso which most people don't know how to use and then have to use bunch of overpriced plugins. "A game engine and VR a video editor doesn't belong in a 3d program" the game engine doesn't exist in Blender anymore. The whole Blender philosophy was to have the whole 3D creation workflow under one software, even tho the video editor is not gonna compete with Premiere or Resolve it's a nice editor for some quick editing. At this point you're just being a pathetic fanboy with no rational argument and just compensating for lack of development and features in C4D. " It's a waste of space and waste of resources." at this point this is just being pure pathetic and having no rational argument. Yeah man a free open-source software that gives access to people to make 3D art without any gatekeeping is a waste of space and resources, c4d indeed have the most pathetic and ignorant userbase that they can't comprehend the reality that a free software has surpasses their expensive shit in pretty much every other way and the only argument these people can make that c4d is easier to use but that's something pros never complain about which just indicates none of these people in comments are pros or works in big studios for VFX or games.
@ofyanapcaz
@ofyanapcaz Жыл бұрын
lol, dont chage, dont lose your habits, next lts vers of blender will be chaos because most addons wont work due code change.
@abdelkarimkeraressi1418
@abdelkarimkeraressi1418 Жыл бұрын
you dream. i have all addon and they all works in all version. Blender fondation make a rules for thos who dev addon. should everytime make new version when blender realese a newone.
@onemanband3579
@onemanband3579 3 ай бұрын
It's subjective, not everyone has your opinion.
@marketman1483
@marketman1483 8 ай бұрын
This video is more like religion than facts. The only point is the price.
@idmimagineeringCOUK
@idmimagineeringCOUK Жыл бұрын
Parametric workflow … I’m staying w C4D
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
parametric?
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
Blender has modifiers as well.
@idmimagineeringCOUK
@idmimagineeringCOUK Жыл бұрын
can see they have non destructible parametric workflow
@swrcPATCH
@swrcPATCH Жыл бұрын
11. 90% of this will not matter to you.
@cornerofthemoon
@cornerofthemoon 10 ай бұрын
Blender is the best software for one to bang their head through a plate glass window out of frustration.
@dibyajeetkirttania5931
@dibyajeetkirttania5931 Жыл бұрын
No offence but I find blender very unpredictable.
@DoctorMGL
@DoctorMGL Жыл бұрын
blender not as friendly as cinema 4d thats why i don't give a damn about what blender have , it still complicated af sometimes it take an hour from a noob like me to make something simple in blender but in c4d i can make it in less then a 1 minute, the most UI friendly in the entire 3D market is C4D UI
@Quick_VFX
@Quick_VFX Жыл бұрын
yes agreed. I love cinema 4d
@xanzuls
@xanzuls Жыл бұрын
You just sound like a fanboy who can't handle the truth. If you think Blender is complicated then 3D is not for you. You clearly haven't used any industry standard programs like Maya, Houdini etc. You are saying that it takes you more time in Blender but you're also saying you're a noob. Pros don't care about over simplified UI, they care about features, flexibility and workflow which is everything C4D lacks.
@spacejourneywaves5420
@spacejourneywaves5420 Жыл бұрын
@@xanzuls Are you blender developer or somethin?😂😂
@magnomotionedit
@magnomotionedit Жыл бұрын
@@xanzuls interface importa sim , tanto que o blender teve que mudar
@magnomotionedit
@magnomotionedit Жыл бұрын
@@xanzuls Blender's interface was very bad, it's better now but it's still not friendly and easy, but it's closer to cinema 4d, but I miss some functions like dragging material to the object I want
@THIRSTYGUMS
@THIRSTYGUMS 9 ай бұрын
These a.i. videos ffs 😅
@henishyo
@henishyo 11 ай бұрын
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