Why you should not work at FAANG/MANGA (Meta/Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google)

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I talk about my experience working in big tech (Meta/Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Google) and the reasons why you should not work there.
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@SallyCreations Жыл бұрын

I worked for Paypal (Not MANGA company per se, but close in terms of size and company culture), I absolutely agree with all the points you've made. I'd also like to add, like other commenters have pointed out, that you don't HAVE to go to the famous names to have a good salary and a career in tech. I work at a different tech company now and my salary is higher, my day to day work is not stressful, I have a fantastic support system within the company and flexible work schedule. At my previous role I had absolutely nothing of the above, only one extra day off for "mental health" per month...let me tell you, when your daily job is hell, that extra day off is worth nothing. Give that random company you never heard of a try. You might be surprised!

@samanthazayas94 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the tip about “problem solving quickly during interviews” and the importance on how we can better react to them. This demonstrates our character and willingness to adapt to uncomfortable environments.

@LukeBarousse 2 жыл бұрын

“Hello there I have an excellent idea”🤣😂 how often I’ve said this and felt this pain 😭 More skits like this Tina!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼

@AG-bq2zd 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t want to work at a MANGA company (and have never wanted to), not because I can’t problem solve quickly or cope well with pressure, but because I would like to be able to have a life outside of work (and sustained, long term high pressure literally triggers my epileptic seizures, lol). I have been thinking about maybe working towards trying to get an interview at some point though, as the learning opportunities are really appealing to me. It’s by no means a concrete or serious goal of mine, however.

@Leto2ndAtreides 2 жыл бұрын

Not all FAANG jobs are that high stress. And you might find decent community and friends - social activities that you might not normally have if you work elsewhere. Plus, that background can make it easier to start new things you care about.

@herobuzz832 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Manga catch ... lol

@scottbarnett3566 2 жыл бұрын

My wife works for wondery, now owned by amazon. She earns a lot and probably does 30 real hours of work per week. It isn’t that bad.

@remixisthis 2 жыл бұрын

I'd say work-life balance is probably the best at MANGA than other places if you factor in effort per $. Most other places I've seen or worked at are low-stress + low pay or high-stress + high pay. If you work for the right team or niche, you can have low to medium-stress and high-pay (or at least excellent benefits) at MANGA. In some high performing circles, MANGA is seen as a retirement job.

@janvesely6353 Жыл бұрын

This really depends, I'd say from 20y+ development experience, big techs are quite often offering way more means to balance work/life than startups and small companies.

@bcpersonalprofessional687 2 жыл бұрын

I found this video to be very helpful :) I've watched a couple of MANGA / FAANG videos; for the ones based on counterarguments, I think this one is definitely the best. The various aspects of the reasons, the visuals, and of course, the turtle in the background and your friendly personality made it the best I've watched so far. In response to your question, I think I see myself more interested in working for start-ups and/or smaller businesses and organizations. Even if I didn't have a STEM heavy job, I think I would still find myself wanting to use computer science for projects of my own.

@Tech.Unicorn 2 жыл бұрын

I work in FAANG in the same role as my bf, who works half as much and makes 3x more in another company :P In 2 weeks his company is flying us to Mexico for an all-inclusive 5-day company party lol. There are many companies that pay well and offer more than FAANG companies do.

@thefirstsurvivor 2 жыл бұрын

is it a small company?

@Tech.Unicorn 2 жыл бұрын

@@thefirstsurvivor yeah like 60 people

@julissadc6303 2 жыл бұрын

Let me guess he works in crypto?👀

@Tech.Unicorn 2 жыл бұрын

@@julissadc6303 no, it’s a dev shop 😅 but crypto is a good guess

@ObsessedAwe 2 жыл бұрын

I just finished my second week at a MANGA company. I was not keen for the corporate environment, but wanted the pay raise lol and the learning opportunity/exp on my CV. I was ready for many of those negatives like the ethics and Z impact. My plan was to stay for a year then leave. My experience has been refreshingly different than I imagined. The teams are kept small and autonomous and really have to own their products. Though we sometimes have to be on call in case something happens, the work-life balance seems a lot better than with some of the smaller companies I've worked at where EVERYTHING ends up coming down on you and often it is caused by bad management. The ethics thing is also a lot better than my previous experiences at a bank for example, where everything is about profit. This company really puts the focus on the customer and being conscious of the effects of our actions. In some of the onboarding Q&A's I had to do, answers such as getting user data because "it will be valuable to the company" was blatantly wrong and the correct answers were along the lines of "get only what is necessary to service the customer needs and delete it as soon as possible". I guess that is a basic example but I found it completely different to the focus at other corporates where I have worked. Hopefully these companies will start learning from their mistakes, as you said there was no precedent. Thanks for a great video, really relevant content as always!

@SephoraQueen2k 2 жыл бұрын

What company ? Currently job searching & This sounds like the type of work environment I’m looking for.

@ObsessedAwe 2 жыл бұрын

@@SephoraQueen2k AWS. My experience really has been positive. Good luck with the process!

@kobuscoetzee4163 Жыл бұрын

I read this, and I had exactly the same experience. I prepared myself for a cut-throat corporate environment, and I was pleasantly surprised just to see a company that takes its values (leadership principles) so seriously. I'm now almost at the 1 year mark and I still feel exactly the same as I did before. The amount of autonomy you have is staggering. Haha, when I read your comment, I thought, wow this sounds exactly like AWS. And it turns out it was haha! However, something I always hear is that your experience can be very team and manager-dependent. And it could be that I was very lucky with where I was placed. But glad to hear you have a similar experience!

@abnormal010 2 жыл бұрын

FAANG companies are not the only ones for high salary.There are hundreds of companies that pays really well.

@SeattleDataGuy 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if there are hundreds, maybe a few dozen other companies that pay comparable and they are mostly the unspoken FAANGs. The ubers, spotify's etc. Not a lot of other companies will pay a mid-senior engineer 300-600k .

@Retrosenescent 2 жыл бұрын

No there aren't. Dozens at most

@cosmicgeo001 Жыл бұрын

Name some please

@burrowbx 3 ай бұрын

@@SeattleDataGuy yes there are a lot of startups that pay a solid amount, I even seen nonprofits pay their software coders 25k-40k/month (depending on experience). I worked in HR.

@sierrap6478 Жыл бұрын

This is a very much needed video for a lot of people; developers, recent grads, and even current students a like. They see all the glamour when it comes to working in FAANG/MANGA but don’t see the whole picture. This definitely changes the way I’m going to be approaching applications and interviews not only for internships but for full time jobs as well. Everything that you said is valid but what speaks to me the most is your last big point. The high expectations, stress, and standards. Knowing myself and my anxiety, I don’t think I’ll be able to handle that, and that’s not me putting myself down. That’s me knowing myself personally and how I deal with stress. The impact factor also got my attention too. I’d love to have an effect on people, love to make an impact/leave a legacy. But I don’t want to get fired if I don’t make an impact. Also, to wrap it up, a work life balance is important to me. I don’t want to be working 24/7.

@aldrinseanpereira140 2 жыл бұрын

I am surprised! The advice here and the delivery of it is just WOW!

@CodingWithJan 2 жыл бұрын

Great video :-) Personally, I would choose work/life balance over a traditional corporate job right now, but there is certainly a lot to learn in full-time positions too.

@afksteph 2 жыл бұрын

I love the skits! Great video tina :)

@Ibraheem_ElAnsari 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Tina ! Thank you 🌻

@isalutfi 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tina, thank you for the insightful content

@Timmy_1011 2 жыл бұрын

Im in love with ,I've been working all day just listening to yours youtube channel all your videos ☺🤟🏻

@bigboy44110 2 жыл бұрын

“Now called Manga companies…” that’s you! You started this. This was your doing Tina.

@Ken-wf8fo Жыл бұрын

@CleverNameTBD 2 жыл бұрын

I work as a civil engineer now and am working towards transitioning into tech. But I've never really had much interest working with the national or global firms in my field. And I've learned a lot of aches and pains about within in extremely small companies. A good small-to-mid-sized company is where the sweet spot is for me in my current field and I feel it will likely be the same for after the switch. You still get the higher impact and more close collaboration with owners and principals but you don't have to do EVERYTHING like with a super small group and slightly less toxic (the work "family" or nepotism issues) giant corps may have lots of resources and good pay but the bureaucracy and feeling like a number seems awful

@pavithras1146 Жыл бұрын

Why are all civil engineers transitioning into tech?

@ArunKumar-bp5lo 2 жыл бұрын

If get the opportunity definitely go for but for only 1 year and next year u will get a lots of offer

@doxugh 2 жыл бұрын

1. Ethics 2. Lack of impact 3. High Standards 4. Fast-paced problem solving

@cosmicgeo001 Жыл бұрын

Forgot regulation

@jerrystudent7039 2 жыл бұрын

lol, the "big tech" play is exactly what I experience every day (software department in a finance company) . even the slightest change requires 12 departments being involved ,20 people in meetings and 5 senior managers and in the end nothing changes. great acting skills btw 🤣

@_al_c2638 2 жыл бұрын

so many great options out there. Don't go into the hype. Find yourself first.

@mm0vses Жыл бұрын

Sentiments are kind of clear I think for most. Very concrete/real/specific examples about these problems and expectations would be nice.

@alisaj1807 2 жыл бұрын

I've worked in the pharma sector for the past 5 years but recently joined tech ...and wow its night and day....expectations, responsibilities, and challenges are so high and endless....but i learned more in my new tech role in 6 month than all my prior years in pharma

@lakshyasaharan5348 2 жыл бұрын

You are great Tina

@emiliamika7945 2 жыл бұрын

I like your videos, they are really great.

@richardurena5867 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@TcMauricio 2 жыл бұрын

Another reason could be that in a big and already established company, growing professionally is not as easy as they love to say it is, because all positions are already filled

@RicardoSilvaTripcall 2 жыл бұрын

Do agree, I've worked for 8 years in a huge multinational American tech company, and most of the people there are just a number ... almost impossible to get a better position, inside competition is also fierce ...

@AugustinGrigorov Жыл бұрын

This is dead wrong. In a startup you can only get promoted if the company is growing. Bigger companies can afford to promote you just to retain you because they have the budget.

@DKarkarov Жыл бұрын

@@AugustinGrigorov lol, you know there is a big gap of companies between startup and megacorp right? Also no, bigger companies most of the time will not promote you just to retain you, unless you are considered indispensable for some reason. Bigger companies have hundreds of applications every day, every employee can be replaced, and they know it.

@alefratat4018 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know, many of the drawbacks listed in this video can be encountered in a majority of companies. But few of them pay nearly as good as the big tech. So, all things considered...

@julissadc6303 2 жыл бұрын

I already worked at a bug company, not a MANGA one but super big and all those perks dont surprise me, I kinda expected them to be like that

@baseballfan3023 2 жыл бұрын

You are so funny. 😄 I like the way you speak. 💓

@TK-wp3iw 2 жыл бұрын

Do you use calculus, trigonometry, higher statistics in BA? In practical job and in study/academics courses.

@kushal809 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing 👍

@bleu-greensmountain5861 2 жыл бұрын

OMG corporate politics is amazingly boring but also very understandable and difficult for the people making the decisions. Tha feelz in this video just thank you for being an empathetic cat about how the world is and sharing your advice!

@calvinlim7951 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tina for your sharing. Everyone's poison is different so I'd eventually just apply for roles in both MANGA & non MANGA & see where it leads .... Never do, never know .... Added you on LinkedIn recently too. Have a great weekend! Cheers!

@zuxzux 2 жыл бұрын

Another thing I'm curious about when working for one of these companies, is whether or not there is a work life balance? I think it would be really cool to work at a MANGA but I also value my life outside of work. Maybe I could put up with an imbalance for a couple of years but certainly, from what I've heard, the work life balance is rough at some of these places.

@scottbarnett3566 2 жыл бұрын

It isn’t that bad. Depends on the urgency of the role. If you pick a manga role with longer term (e.g multiple year) projects it will generally fee less stressful and you’ll be far less likely to be pinging emails at midnight

@Bruno-el1jl 2 жыл бұрын

I dont believe the ethical issues pertain specifically or are more probable to happen in MANGA. I work in FMCG market, and even though i haven't encountered much on my company (aside from unethical *individuals*), in some of our clients, competitors and suppliers there are wild stories.

@Alphadec 2 жыл бұрын

I became a developer to work as a freelancer via my own company.

@mystic7851 Жыл бұрын

I'm very private in what I do so anything big is probably not my cup of tea but I am open to new experiences.

@quitplayingboss609 2 жыл бұрын

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@jakemorales7949 2 жыл бұрын

The acting is amazing haha

@fredrikbergquist5734 8 ай бұрын

Companies like this is like a nation as has been described in certain science fiction books. I think about South Korea where the Samsung family is like a kingdom.

@xiaoyangwu9270 2 жыл бұрын

I still want to work for the big tech as I am still young but I know I will probably want to end up with the relatively smaller sized company (May be a Smaller size but still a unicorn company) later in the future

@omlandthegreat Жыл бұрын

Bureaucracy and the constant pressure to deliver is the biggest buzz kill for many that I know that is currently working or worked at big tech. I work in the engineering industry in Europe and I have to say the employers here really do value intelligent and hard working people and somehow we manage to stay profitable every year without burning people out. I think a big contributor to this is that all mid management positions and management is staffed by people with engineering knowledge in the field that their departments work in, this enables them to set realistic targets, budgets and deadllines.

@hollyyao2839 Жыл бұрын

oh my...the impact part...so real

@nikirki25 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like I'm on time!

@The_Real_Brent_Savage 2 жыл бұрын

So are you going to quit? 🤔

@ojohnlu Жыл бұрын

She did.

@HaoLiuRealtor 2 жыл бұрын

Did you come to Chena Hot Springs last month?

@dhanushkrishnan502 2 жыл бұрын

Good 🙂

@akiraholland457 2 жыл бұрын

What do designers do in tech? What are they designers of?

@bin4ry_d3struct0r Жыл бұрын

Given the amount of trial and error involved in data science/machine learning projects (most of them ending in error), I'm surprised there isn't a constant mass exodus of these engineers from MANGA companies. It's hard for research and experimentation to have any palpable impact on the bottom line when most of the work consists of dealing with the unknown.

@rdg585 2 жыл бұрын

TBH, Data Science should be a mandatory learning pathway along with arts, and self-care to make the brain & body fluid, before specializing in applied sciences. Reality itself is information, so it's a win win.

@shimadabr 2 жыл бұрын

That's a very technical computer science field. But i agree a little, maybe a more conceptual and watered down approach would be very useful as a basic education discipline.

@rdg585 2 жыл бұрын

@@shimadabr Yeah.

@Tommaso_Squarzoni 2 жыл бұрын

Love Ya

@pixiegears8787 2 жыл бұрын

The approval request workflow takes forever at big techs.

@rajkumarbharathi3139 2 жыл бұрын

Why isn't Microsoft in MAANG/ FAANG

@zulfadlizainal_ 2 жыл бұрын

what do you think about routine task vs non-routine task

@convoluted_turtle 2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile a startup company - 5+ years of experience at one of MANGA companies🤣

@lambda9331 2 жыл бұрын

That tortule literally got my eyes

@thefourbytes Жыл бұрын

Tina, I love calling it MANGA company than MAANG companies hahaha...I like how you try to not smile after calling it MANGA

@happyindia5740 2 жыл бұрын

In which company you are working

@law23sum Жыл бұрын

You can't stop me! I will become an iOS developer!

@kamertonaudiophileplayer847 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you, if your creativity is high, then FAANG companies are not for you, because you will just follow smart people. Is it bad? Not at all, it is a good and easy, but... if you want to create something new, then stay away.

@aliencreative9360 2 жыл бұрын

To me all the negatives sounded like positives to me. Downside is I don’t think I would be a good coder/programmer 🥴

@alefratat4018 2 жыл бұрын

Bureaucracy sounds positive to you ?

@aliencreative9360 2 жыл бұрын

@@alefratat4018 no no pls just no all the other pts i liked i guess :)

@aliencreative9360 2 жыл бұрын

@@taniajenkins9009 yeah i should try :) thank u

@scottbarnett3566 2 жыл бұрын

Give it a go. You may surprise yourself

@pythonholic 2 жыл бұрын

Miss you ♥️♥️

@fishnchips6627 Жыл бұрын

10:27 she's basically saying if you're stupid you should not work at any of these companies. Crickey! Every job in the world requires a lot of problem solving and quick learning, not just data science. Even life itself is full of problems and we carry on living because we find a way solve them. As someone working at one of these (can't say which) and been in the data science industry for some time now - I never belittle anyone that isn't in the same field or say 'it's not for you'. I even encourage the people I know (not force) to do data analytics when they are stuck in a dead-end job and looking for an advancement. I believe that anything can be learned no matter how 'not-into-solving-problem-and-quick-learning-that-requires-lots-of-ones'-brain-cells' you are. It's just a question of time, effort, interest. I say that it is a bit of a boast or there's a slight arrogance in the statement. Just something that is surprising to hear from an adult whose majority of the audience are people trying to pursue career in Data Science. I enjoyed the skit, very accurate. I got disappointed at the end.

@victor5265 2 жыл бұрын

money!

@Ajax9523 2 жыл бұрын

Emotional Damage.

@cassinihuygens Жыл бұрын

worked at apple for 5 months and said f this lmfao. money was great but id rather be mentally stable.

@aadityakiran_s Жыл бұрын

Even though the last few things you said makes one feel like you have to work hard, you only spent 40 hours a week working at your day job.

@shancturn Жыл бұрын

Many tech companies expect you to work until the work is done. In my old company, it was not uncommon for people to work 50 - 70 hours a week. They had a bonus structure set up, that you typically didn’t meet unless you didn’t record all of your hours. The bonus impacted you, your team, and future opportunities; so it held a lot of weight.

@aadityakiran_s Жыл бұрын

@@shancturn Yeah but she said she worked 40 hours a week. So yeah.

@shancturn Жыл бұрын

Got it!

@aadityakiran_s Жыл бұрын

@@shancturn But thanks for your input though. Yeah I also work for a tech company and they also only expect to work till you finish the work and it's always finished before 40 hours. Nice company. Very human first.

@JM-zg2jg Жыл бұрын

#BoycottFacebook/Meta It has stifled our social media, gaming and VR progress for years. All the while destroying our self images, politics and privacy. We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Time to log out and stay that way. Let’s all watch it die together

@heidiheidi0 2 жыл бұрын

I dont know. I dont feel that this video was very helpful. None of the things that you said were problems with big companies are any of the problems that I feel would be problems with working at a large company.

@thefirstsurvivor 2 жыл бұрын

gangm

@chriszeng364 Жыл бұрын

Why you should not listen to social media influencer wanna bees

@kimoniu.8113 2 жыл бұрын

turtle :D

@jyei405 Жыл бұрын

What about you My creatively inclined colleague? - NO jajajaja

@joaquincgarcia Жыл бұрын

So you basically worked for one of the MANGA companies but made a video subtlety ranting about MANGA companies in a MANGA company's platform... Impossible to find any hint of hypocrisy here.

@victor5265 2 жыл бұрын

talk is cheap, show me the money, that's the mindset for most people

@pythonholic 2 жыл бұрын

Hey cutie ♥️

@catholic_based534 2 жыл бұрын

The ethical issue is a big one for me. The tech industry is increasingly getting woke and so naturally as someone who is culturally conservative might not be the greatest fit..

@Leto2ndAtreides 2 жыл бұрын

There's always some harm at scale. That estimated 5-10% of innocent people in US prisons is 60-120K innocent people in US jails. Of course, governments are especially incompetent... Hard for them to be otherwise with their systems and core paradigms being so primitive. But that aside, some harm will always be done on the path to good. It's unavoidable, because we don't have absolute knowledge of the future. It's really fine that some harm be done. Lest we stay stuck where we are and greater good also not be done in the future. Because where we are, for all that it's better than the past... Is ultimately still a fairly low standard to be living up to. And building better requires acquiring greater wisdom through experience and mistakes. Some day, we will likely all be dead. But maybe the world will be much better. And that is more important than how we are living today. - The way some people at FAANG promote thinking about ethics seriously needs to be ignored. There are too many activists who are too focused on just harm without being able to comprehend the good or what it really takes to make progress in the real world. At its core, it's a primitive sort of human instinct that probably makes sense for small tribes but is ill suited to dealing with a world with complex systems, where the scope of things is just greater than what humans evolved to deal with. Widespread narratives on right and wrong are usually just wrong altogether. Much like how people believe in many religions with their beliefs never being grounded in reality - you can get away with being wrong permanently when the feedback loops produce no significant harm to your life for being wrong. Or worse... When you get positive feedback for being wrong because the people around you have built a culture around incorrect beliefs.