That spreadsheet is incredibly helpful. Thank you so much for making it!
@maciej74174 Жыл бұрын
The explanation of negative track delays was stunning. The idea about database very useful. Thank you so much for this content.
@mrmikis10 ай бұрын
Nice. Thanks for the template!
@EvgeniyBerlin9 ай бұрын
Very useful tips, wow, thank you!
@AngelDiegoMerlo3 ай бұрын
That´s a perfect xplanation of humanity in virtual instruments!!!Thanks David
@kenjones3442 Жыл бұрын
Wow, what a wonderful contribution to music producers everywhere! 😊All I can say is THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!! 😁
@Kingchord20002 жыл бұрын
David thank you for your selfless contribution. You are one of the lights beyond the tunnel.
@FrankDeBaere Жыл бұрын
You know... The reaction I see in your video at 3 min 21 sec is exactly what I experience these days! That's why I was looking for how much delay to use with my OT Berlin CAPSULE Vsti's and that's how I came across your video. Very useful and this is the first thing I will try. Thanks! 🙂
@chrismusic443 ай бұрын
Formidable, merci ! ❤
@MusicalWizardryMarcoIannello2 жыл бұрын
So glad to see you advocating the use of quantisation and negative track delays! I learned it from a composer of friend of mine and this is what I have been doing since that moment. Also, I actually remember one of your posts on Perspective from a couple of years ago, I believe, where you advertised you were putting together that sheet with negative track delay values per library
@AnnexationMusic Жыл бұрын
I'm a keyswitch guy myself, and this is probably the best argument I've seen so far on utilizing single articulation tracks. Super helpful, too - very much appreciated!
@aaronspaythsound2 жыл бұрын
Wow! This tip about negative delays was exactly what I needed to hear! Thanks so much! 🤩
@googlekopfkind6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your work!
@ChrisMuellerMusic2 жыл бұрын
As a beginner, that is good to hear especially from someone achieved like you are. Valuable advice! Thank you David 🙏
@caradaly16612 жыл бұрын
With the popularity of the google doc and the thread on VI CONTROL , I’m still surprised that some of the developers haven’t chimed in and just offered up the exact values for their libraries and instruments. It’s surprising how many still don’t list it in the manual. Good video and great initiative to set up the document in the first place 👍
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of them don’t keep track of it, the samples get edited and then that’s it. Or developers decide to cut the samples as close as possible (without cutting off anything important) so that the instrument is more responsive. As opposed to developers who provide a consistent delay among everything, which sacrifices some of the live playability, but when used with the negative delays provides the most consistency.
@rodrigororiz772 жыл бұрын
The negative delay database is great, I found out about it last year on a VI Control post. Thanks. :)
@AharonRabinowitz2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was really awesome. You’re great at explaining things! I’ve known about quantizing for a long time, but the missing factor, negative track delay, is a key concept I missed. Thanks again!
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Aharon! It had such a big impact on my workflow but isn’t widely discussed…I guess it’s not a sexy topic but it’s one of those quality of life improvements.
@alexjevincent Жыл бұрын
Bit late to the party but been using your spreadsheet for a while so massive thank you for that - has massively simplified my template. I use multi-outs in SINE or Kontakt and apply a MonoDelay in Cubase on those outs. I set the track delay to the longest articulation attack, and set the MonoDelay to the difference of the track delay minus that that articulation's attack. Same principle as the CSS Control Panel I wrote, just in audio rather than midi.
@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand Жыл бұрын
Everyone using virtual orchestral instruments (or some other VT's) really needs to know about this!
@rautshsale19482 жыл бұрын
this blew my mind so much, would have absolutely never thought that different articulations will have the need for different predelays
@fabkid72 Жыл бұрын
Really helpful - thank you David. I heard about negative delay from (your pal) Anne Dern and now you. Relieved to hear this latency is a thing, and not just me being hopeless! Cheers from Wales, UK.
@SteveKirk Жыл бұрын
Nice work explaining this!
@martin-raison-music-composer5 ай бұрын
Great video and the database is a great idea!
@towenaar74222 жыл бұрын
Great video and INCREDIBLE resource, I've been looking for a resource like this. Thank you so much for the work put in here to share this.
@MichaelJM5 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! And for sharing that spreadsheet! Figuring out delay times drives me mad; I'm terrible at it. Amazing to be able to reference a good starting point.
@seanfourie72 жыл бұрын
David, once again thank you for this information, your ideas on working on the grid make so much sense, especially when doing orchestral scores. thank you for the negative delay sheet.
@izi26 Жыл бұрын
Thanks that was very useful and informative! Well done
@DavidKudellMusic Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@alvarorodriguezfilmmusic2 жыл бұрын
Superbly explained! huge thanks!
@gest_hiddenlook2 жыл бұрын
Huge thank you!
@jackiejames857510 ай бұрын
Thankyou David for this... my strings were tending to be haphazard as I struggled to cope with the delays... this is a great help
@Frank.Zimmermann2 жыл бұрын
Hey David, Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the Negative Track Delay Database and this video. Both are extremely helpful! 🙏 Just subscribed to your channel. Great content here! :) All the best, Frank
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Glad it’s helpful!
@citizenworld80942 жыл бұрын
I like this guy. Gives his heart as well as his music.
@PerchHunter7 күн бұрын
Its very helpfull ! Especially for Berlin stuff (in my case) Thank You. If i may maybe You could make some short video about how to fix latency problems in CSS. Some tiops ,tricks, advices. I know there is some script like CSS control panel but dont know how to set up correctly. Greetings
@YujinBaek Жыл бұрын
Honestly so well explained and clear, thanks for sharing the database as well David.
@starerik9 ай бұрын
Omg, I love you for sharing that spreadsheet! ♥ I was beginning to mentally prepare myself to find out myself, but the ones I use most are already listed. Thank you!
@muziksculp2r2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips, and negative delay data base. Very helpful info.
@tronam Жыл бұрын
I’m new to your channel, but I wanted to thank you so much for all your hard work on this database. You have a new subscriber.
@confuzen-su4oq11 ай бұрын
Great video! Audio Imperia’s approach to this problem is quite brilliant and is their libraries biggest selling point imo :D
@barrywalshe4165 Жыл бұрын
Great video thank you
@DZP...MusicForANewWorld Жыл бұрын
Great information and so well presented..Thank you David!
@baldwyntin49592 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@hgatetravelista10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing this information! I found it extremely useful and generous of you to give of your time and sharing the spreadsheet - greetings and thanks from England! 🙂
@DavidKudellMusic10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@foundpat2 жыл бұрын
Great video David. Always felt guilty about using quantise......Not anymore👍
@mariobengalita2454 Жыл бұрын
Super awesome video...Ty David, stay safe!!!
@MarkHimley Жыл бұрын
SO grateful for the database you created. I wish I would have had this all along - thank you!!
@DavidKudellMusic Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Notmehimorthem2 жыл бұрын
I think this is a really good video making some excellent points, which I generally suppport, however, a couple of additional points I would like to make. Regarding notation - most played in stuff looks schozoid with messes of hemi-demi- semiquavers, on first review in nation software, but you can use display quantize to show a simplified version without changing the "played in" feel, in many notation packages. Even if your notation package does not support this feature, a common practice is to make a copy of your scored notes and then mutilate these to look legible and sane as notation. Secondly, I think that the "humanised" element of actual performances, is not simply random errors. Careful listening might find, for example, that a player might naturally hurry towards a phrases crescendo, or go rubato intentionally during a legato phrase. Whole orchestras also breathe to a conductors elbow. Eliminating this (mostly unconscious) humanised timing by quantization, then expecting later to reproduce it with DAW randomisation so called " humanize" fuctions, is not really replacing like with like, though it is of course better than rigid muzak timing. Even so, I still agree that there is stil a lot to be said for quantization though, especially if your goal is not a midi performance but a liegible score. Quantization definitely reduces mud. Lastly, for performing a take, I always consider going to my sound device and short latency beyond it's normal settings. Even if your DAW produces pops and clicks, after recording the latency can then be set back and the pops will disappear.
@M4T2 жыл бұрын
Database is great ! You also convinced me when it comes to keyswitch patches vs individual tracks ... thanks so much !
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Both ways have their pros and cons, this is just what works for me
@mikevirtualteacher Жыл бұрын
Thanks David, very helpful video and well produced too!
@productio-musica2 жыл бұрын
We need expression maps which have the negative delays baked in. Then we could use instrument trracks instead of MIDI tracks which many composers tend to prefer!
@maplefoxx62852 жыл бұрын
In Reaper DAW we use a thing called Reaticulate, it is really nice, you can customize the icons and make it look all pretty with nice colors. It is a little pop up window that you dock on the side of Reaper. It is made by someone who is also on youtube. We can set the keyswitch to transpose a note, set the velocity range of a note, pitch range, double the velocity, and a few other neat things. I put in a request for note offset, it might already exist. I am uncertain, but I will find out soon.
@SteveKirk Жыл бұрын
@@maplefoxx6285 that sounds like a great tool!
@maplefoxx6285 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveKirk they said about the note offset coding it is hard to get it to work right and that eventually they hope it will work per keyswitch, that would be pretty cool. Reaticulate has its own website too if you ever want to see what it is all about. Website and a github with user uploaded banks.
@SteveKirk Жыл бұрын
@@maplefoxx6285 per-keyswitch would be awesome!
@simonturner1 Жыл бұрын
Apparently the new Digital Performer has this feature so hopefully Cubase etc. won't be too far behind.
@nboisen2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! And very useful spreadsheet. Thanks for sharing.
@dannoscordino2k Жыл бұрын
Genius thank you so much, finally after a year I found your video, Its helps so much
@agramsci7976 Жыл бұрын
Love your content and willingness to share. Thanks for all that you do.
@mikehall5835 Жыл бұрын
Enormously helpful video! Thank you!
@anthonyworthydaretodreammu24512 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this information...... working on my template now.
@MRoseProductions Жыл бұрын
This is an invaluable tool, thanks David!
@mbaldwinlobue2 жыл бұрын
Great video David thank you and thanks for the negative track delay database…awesome!
@Lufade2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw this video title I thought, "Oh I know quantization and negative track delay. I don't need to watch this." Man was I wrong. Not that I don't know those things, but this video was incredibly useful for the explanations and reasoning of everything involved. Thanks!
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Great feedback. When I was scripting the video out it dawned on me I should explain not just how to do it, but the reasons why, because it does take a lot of setup time. But it pays off in the long run.
@ComposerRocks2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidKudellMusic If you keep delving not just into the what, but the why, I just might become your biggest fan, David.
@myroslavsaratovkin68682 жыл бұрын
You are amazing. I am looking froward for your new tutorial. No many contents have this value.
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, hope you find it helpful
@FrankBell2 жыл бұрын
This video is awesome!
@FrankBell2 жыл бұрын
And I see the sheet now! WOAH!
@Ueberschaer8 ай бұрын
Again. Thank you for this video. It helps A LOT. Love the File on Google Drive.
@philippendletonmusic2 жыл бұрын
You just validated what I've been doing for awhile!
@Mikejkcjla2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the job you’ve done to create this database.
@jens1800 Жыл бұрын
Great work - thanks David!
@EasternPromisesMusicАй бұрын
Thank you, well made and concise! I had seen the thread on vicontrol first and some of your other vids, great resource! Are we going to get that follow up on varying delays within a single instrument library/patch? :D
@PaulieDC Жыл бұрын
Fantastic, I needed this info. Thanks!
@geniicube95852 жыл бұрын
Copy and paste...YESSS. After making Pop and EDM music for many years I just got into Orchestral music. I come from a world of quantization I never understand why musicians have an issue with something that is the de facto state in others genres. I love accidents with orchestration (because I am a noob) but not accidents with timing. As far as I am concerned perfect is perfect. I found your channel because of Anne's channel and I love your work. Thank you.
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and I'm glad you found the channel from Anne - most of what I talk about here I learned from working on her team.
@djrbfmbfm-woa2 жыл бұрын
thx for the link. j.
@felixmstudio11 ай бұрын
the database is fantastic!
@georgetorres15354 ай бұрын
Gracias bro :)
@mohammadadelalnassar2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your efforts, the database is super. 🙏
@nlamottecomposer2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff man! I'll definitely be updating my templates!
@musicbydavidsmith2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! Thanks so much for this.
@es__music2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video and the resource!
@christiana.guevara49472 жыл бұрын
I really needed this video. Thank you David! 🎵
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@toddtyler2 жыл бұрын
As a beginner, this was really great info - thanks so much!
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear it was helpful. We were all beginners at one point!
@Wren206 Жыл бұрын
Hello! I don't know if someone already mentioned it, but as for the doubt about where does a note start, there's a relatively easy solution I'd like to share with you: Use a spectrogram view instead of a waveform one! I've learned to understand spectrograms and it's honestly amazingly easier than guessing from viewing a waveform. Although I must admit that waveforms can be useful in some other situations too. Trust me, whenever you prepare your recorded samples for your library, this can probably be a life saver.
@DavidKudellMusic Жыл бұрын
Good tip! Thank you!
@tomascough75312 жыл бұрын
This is so fantastic! I’ve been bouncing to audio and using flextime on all of it. Takes f.o.r.e.v.e.r. I’m converting to negative track delays immediately 😁
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, yes that could work but would be quite time intensive. I hope this way is a little better for you!
@joelwybrew2 жыл бұрын
This is awesomely helpful. Thanks so much!
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it helpful!
@mperstl134 ай бұрын
I owe you my life.
@Muzisoccer2532 жыл бұрын
incredible work, thanks a looooooot !
@Kitana8182 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thank you!
@alekosvuskovic66872 жыл бұрын
Amazing info!! Thanks
@NOAHSCORE2 жыл бұрын
Thank you señor 👍😉. That was very useful 🙏
@stephenbeeby8850 Жыл бұрын
🙏
@michaellaumusic8 ай бұрын
Hey David, I know in your video you mention that you feel it's best to have separate tracks for each articulation. I know in DP you can set a Delay for each Articulation in its Articulation Map. This works great and have started to add the info form your Google sheet to my Babylon Waves files. Works great. Since you made the video, have you been doing that at all?
@sonofharry11792 жыл бұрын
Hey David. Thanks for this video. You mention for legato tracks that you usually have to nudge the first note to work. What amount do you nudge that first note?
@simonturner1 Жыл бұрын
I wrote to the grid in this manner and submitted some music to a company and they said it sounded "too quantized". Like, who GAF? The average person isn't going to know or care!
@nicksaya2 жыл бұрын
Thanks For the Cheat Sheet!!!
@chrisharrison8092 жыл бұрын
Ooof. I’ll be cursing how much time I spent setting up articulation maps. Have you ever experiments with one track to write the whole part and then it sending multi channel midi to multiple tracks with different track delays? Bless you for making that database bro.
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried that, but so far what I'm doing is working well. There are other advantages to the single track method as well, such as making it easier for the orchestrator to know what kind of note you want, so it's working for me right now.
@PeterBatah2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us. Much appreciated. I was wondering if the use of negative track delays across most if not all of a session would add additional strain on the PC's resources. Considering that there is much more for the system to correct and keep track of.
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t noticed any difference. It’s all just midi notes which is very basic.
@VickenIshkhanian4 ай бұрын
You claim you had made a key command or shortcut for negative delay in Cubase! I can’t find that setting anywhere in Cubase, would you be able to explain how you did it?
@javierestevez96802 жыл бұрын
Can you make a trailer of adventure video game?
@JosephineDeSmet Жыл бұрын
I use native instruments in ableton and all I want to know if you have a sort of sample preset that has delay on it, how can you quantise that delay/ echo
@Maplefoxx-vl2ew3 ай бұрын
going forward i'm only creating music with stuff that does not have offset delays.. i've had far too many long nights of headaches and motivation killing tedious work having to deal with them.. it literally destroys all my motivation to create music.
@DavidKudellMusic2 ай бұрын
If you have a template setup it doesn’t create any additional work since the delay values are set and ready to go. I find it more enjoyable to write knowing I don’t have to play the keyboard perfectly, since I can hit quantize and it will take care of any mistakes. But certainly you should work the way that is most effective for you. I know there are libraries without delays. Personally I find them to not sound as good because they cut off the very important transient info and have inferior legatos.
@5ammy132 жыл бұрын
I find that negative track delays are very useful for shorts. Staccatos or Spiccs and stuff like that. For longs, I find my playing automatically adjusts to it. But yes I can see the advantages of being completely within the grid.
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
For sure! Whatever works the best for you. 🙏
@SteveKirk Жыл бұрын
@@DavidKudellMusic If you are preparing parts for musicians to play, staying on the grid is a huge workflow advantage.
@DavidKudellMusic Жыл бұрын
@@SteveKirk than you and it’s a honor sir! I am a huge fan of the Voodoo Vince soundtrack and it’s absolutely my favorite game soundtrack…I played the game when it came out and listen to your themes regularly. They are just brilliant.
@SteveKirk Жыл бұрын
@@DavidKudellMusic Thank you for you kind words! I am still snooping around for a way to implement negative midi track delays in Pro Tools, do you have any clues about this? (I know it's not your go-to workstation). Up until now I've been compensating for latency at the audio editing stage, and that can be a real grind.
@DavidKudellMusic Жыл бұрын
@@SteveKirk Hi Steve, it looks like it is possible in Pro Tools. Here's an article that shows how to set it up. I hope this helps! spitfireaudio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016413458-MIDI-Offset-in-Pro-Tools
@michaellaumusic5 ай бұрын
Hey David, love the Virtual Instrument Track Delay doc. How often to do you update it? Also, if there is only a negative delay in on articualtion and none in the adjacent ones, does it mean they others are the same? Example: CSW you have -60 in Staccatisimo but the cells for Staccato, Marcato and Susatains are blank.
@DavidKudellMusic5 ай бұрын
Hi Michael, I don't get a chance to update it as much as I should, but others are free to contribute to it as well, by contacting me on my website. For CSW, yes all the shorts are the same delay time.
@michaellaumusic5 ай бұрын
@@DavidKudellMusic Ok cool, thanks! I bought you a few coffees the other day. Really appreciate the Doc.
@DavidKudellMusic5 ай бұрын
@@michaellaumusic thanks so much for the coffees!!
@hazagem102 жыл бұрын
Man, this was A.M.A.Z.I.N.G. Thanks a lot! Now, I have a question: How did you setup that macro for move the first note of every legato starting point? I find that very helpful. I'm in Logic, but maybe I could find a way to do that too. (🙏 I hope you can see this)
@DavidKudellMusic2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if there’s a way to do it in Logic. That is one advantage of Cubase, you can set up a lot of those kinds of things using the Logical Editor.
@djrbfmbfm-woa2 жыл бұрын
hi david, you are SPOT ON with this. there is nothing worse than a sloppy orchestra. I've work with enough musos in orchestras to know they strive for precision. and being in the room when the instruments recorded showed me how different they sound close up, without all the post processing . each brand of library has its own lag time time. CineSamples for me is hardly playable in real time so quantize and neg. delay after step input. then fiddle around a bit. Sample Modelling, on the other hand is quick enough to play live and on stage. best, j.