Why You Shouldn't Use Mid-Side Processing (all the time) 🔥
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In this video producer, mix and mastering engineer David Gnozzi talks about the most common mistaken in mixing, mid side processing, mid side eq and mid side compression and why you shouldn't use it as default and the problems that mid-side processing cna cause. How to train your ears to recognize the artifacts
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@LytosOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
"Just because you CAN doesn't mean that you SHOULD". That's a very important lesson to learn, not only for mixing but for life itself. Thank you David, as always here following and supporting your work. Hugs from Spain!
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother! Big hug to you
@mrnelsonius5631 2 жыл бұрын
The more I’ve had to turn out professional mixes quickly, the less I’ve found myself using any M/S processing. Just like you said in this: I’ll use it on non essential ear candy, big wide risers and space filling atmospherics. Basically any ornaments specifically tailored to having fun with stereo image. But all the essential stuff I need translating in mono, don’t use it
@TLllllll Жыл бұрын
I typically use is sparingly. Mainly to carve room for bass out of mids in melodic elements if needed. The sound starts sounding weird if I use to much. I’m still learning though, no idea if it’s correct or if there are other ways to do it besides multiband compression.
@aliensexist545 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, your videos are a treasure trove and much appreciated
@trashunicorn2308 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Thank you David, can't wait
@sean_wave 2 жыл бұрын
You're a blessing, David
@jdtrackz873 2 жыл бұрын
Man you just open my eyes. I was doing exactly what you explained and now I see why some of my mixes came out the exact way you said. Thanks bro!!! since I've been watching your content my mixes and masters has been coming out way better.
@troeteimarsch 2 жыл бұрын
There are so many potholes on the road to stellar mix. Thanks for sharing your knowledge without bs.ing around!
@DJURBANBG 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos always help
@LloydMajor 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the class!
@RAZALAHORI 2 жыл бұрын
man the information you put on here saves us a lot of time and money i really appreciate brother 🙏
@LibraClassic 2 жыл бұрын
You are a lifesaver! When you broke down the term "mid/side" into it's proper name, "sum/difference" - it immediately became clear. I almost ruined my mix trying to "mid-side" it to death, and it was actually fine! You saved me from overthinking it! THANK YOU!
@rrs731 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you would do this one day! Thanks man 💪💪
@jlr9682 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanations, as always! 👍
@DJUwU 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Explained very well...and is something that I was always confused about...but didn't have the confidence to call out myself!!!
@midnightsocean2689 2 жыл бұрын
No bull and straight to the point as usual. Great video. Shirt looks good. : )
@samkenny3075 2 жыл бұрын
Eye opening-- thanks! Great video-- decent shirt
@emilybeats6556 2 жыл бұрын
Waitinggggg!!!
@KYTHERAOfficial Жыл бұрын
I love your channel!
@thorstenweimar1190 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, David! Love your channel :-)! I use M/S technique during recording acoustic guitar for example with two mics, one is a cardioid, second in figure of eight. That gives you a really nice, wide effect, without loosing the mid. Especially, when the acoustic guitar is the only instrument. Other than that, I found the M/S can help to get the middle more focused also, or widen/boost certain frequencies in the high end. A lot of possibilities out there. And I mainly use it on mastering in the analog path, before hitting a converter. But as always, a little can go a long way! Cheers 🍻
@SOLStudiosTuc Жыл бұрын
Fantastic content.
@timbranniganmusic3458 Жыл бұрын
For me, mid-side was sometimes used for orchestras or Live TV broadcasts or recordings to capture the sound of the hall or room. We would later decode the M/S mics. When I first started seeing M/S plugins I said cool, no more flipping phase to decode. I started experimenting with some of the Brainworx processors that I have and it was exactly what you’re talking about, especially on my 2-Bus or a lead vocal. EQ or compression yield the same results. Thanks for another great video. You’re a great educator and mix engineer. I really love your channel and I’ve gotten plenty of great tips from you. Sometimes I watch a video just because you’re talking about something that I’ve been saying and doing for years and you’re the only voice of sanity. Other times I’ll watch because it’s something that I’m you remind me of, like breaking habits, like using the same go to techniques all the time. A lot of my habits are from growing up in facilities that only had 1 or 2 of whatever processors they had. Thanks again for your great work! The shirt is a good idea lol. Button downs are definitely optional. ✌️❤️ - Tim
@sINGLE_hANDED Жыл бұрын
I thought I knew and I did (the theory).. but simply explained in this clear way I now REALLY understands the implications of M/S processing better. Thanks! very helpful!
@ManCalledMif 2 жыл бұрын
Learned something here. Thanks. Sharp shirt 👏🏻
@keke.keepitup Жыл бұрын
thank you❤
@spiritsoundzlab7636 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very Informative
@stromkraftnet Жыл бұрын
Yes, I knew and have been on about this or years, often getting flak just for stating how mid-side works. Thanks for sharing this.
@fxtheproducer 2 жыл бұрын
Great advice as always David! nice shirt too, a tip to learn this is to M/S commercial tracks and listen to how they are processed...
@IvanFonollosa Жыл бұрын
Thanks master.
@neddam6663 4 ай бұрын
very helpful video
@erickgutierrez5798 Жыл бұрын
I see you at the gym all the time , I’ve been watching your videos for some time now !
@mixbustv Жыл бұрын
Come say hi!
@guthhalf5484 Жыл бұрын
The shirt is OG bro 😊
@misterkerr7129 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very informative, caution required with mid size processing. Understood!
@oztrekgelsoft8409 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing explanation fantastic video
@ucproductions1491 2 жыл бұрын
Love this channel. Sei il numero uno 😉
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
🤘🙏
@mistral-unizion-music Жыл бұрын
Very clear information, no-nonsense, to the point. Thanks for this! I have Black Box HG2MS and once it was on my master bus and I had all sorts of artefacts I did not understand. So I deleted the instance. Now I use it only on single tracks and am more careful when and how to use it.
@czdot 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is a godsent. Greetings from the Czech Republic :-)
@Wizardofvoz2 11 ай бұрын
I have been at this game on a professional level since 1976. Yours are some of the most valuable videos for new and even more advanced mixers and mastering guys. Good work.
@mixbustv 11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@kudus9235 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. You answer for my question...:) I aware to use mid-side processing in mixing. I always have a mess in mixes after this.
@PlatinumMastering 2 жыл бұрын
wow best video of 2022 that answers our question why MS does not sound good sometimes
@servellen_music 3 ай бұрын
Thanks David, useful video. I do use M/S in mastering EDM, mostly hardware EQ and compression where am mindful to keep differences in processing between mid and side small to minimise artefacts. Recently used it to push mid of a track that lacked body, and that worked well. Your channel is great man, cheers.
@georgezorbas9036 2 жыл бұрын
Bravo...still the best in explaining clearly. It would be nice also to give some fast paradigms in a real situation
@MultiMrMayonnaise 2 жыл бұрын
Really useful information! Lots of future accidents prevented....
@AlpanBass 2 жыл бұрын
you so right !!!!!!!!!
@eshortsax 2 жыл бұрын
First off, I am new to mixing and mastering (started doing this April of 2020) and I was searching on youtube and google and all I saw was mid-side processing (how important it is to cut sides to keep lows mono) and it made since to me. Glad I saw this viideo which made me consider phase. Thank you!
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
Do not cut the effing lowd from your sides.. wait for the next video or watch one of the many videos in which I explain why not
@eshortsax 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv will do. Thanks again!
@TheSakuraGumiLTD 2 жыл бұрын
Ah interesting one… I need some info on this. Thank you!!!
@fmajor_music 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks👌
@_chroo7775 8 ай бұрын
I like Span by Voxengo. It does a great job showing the frequency range causing phase issues. Also, it's free... Reducing width or the frequency range causing the phase issue from the side or difference eliminates the problem. Thanks for all the great tutorials. Much appreciated. 👍
@hyperactivists9390 2 жыл бұрын
interesting and informative
@thebestimusic9107 Жыл бұрын
i slept on this dude 👏
@lunarlabaudio 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, David! Love all your videos. You talk about training your ears to listen for the M/S phasing artifacts but you don’t talk about how to do that or what to listen for - I’d love to see a video about that. Also, as far as stereo widening - I’d love to see you nerd out a bit and talk about the different flavors of stereo widening and what the pros and cons are. Like Waves Center, SPL Vitalizer, BX Stereo knob, blending in a parallel chorus/pitch plugin, a hardware elliptical filter, M/S EQ, etc. I’m sure there are a million different options but maybe explaining which of these fall into certain categories and how they can be beneficial or detrimental? Thanks David!
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
How to is material for private lessons and members, only so much I can give away for free. A video on the various wideners is doable, altho' I use analog for that
@lunarlabaudio 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv I can respect that! Your videos are fantastic and well explained!
@ericktellez7632 Жыл бұрын
the best use for me is to add defintion for the spaces the instruments need, take out lows on the sides if there isnt anything low being panned/stereo enhanced, fix phase alignment of the mix on effects like haas and delays as well, if i want to increase the stereo image i just go back to the mix and do it with pan pots or enhancers.
@FLH3official 2 жыл бұрын
Good advice, mate. Personnaly when I use MS it's an EQ on a particular instrument/stem in my composition. Usualy double bass, some low synths or big low batlle drums/taïkos, just to "recenter" some low end. Never on a whole mix. Furthermore I should say that widening a whole mix is a mistake: Width exists only because you hear something in the midlle or on the close right or left, you need contrasts, you need to appreciate distances, locations. (like loudness, if everything is loud everywhere in the bandwidth nothing is loud)
@aleksamrkela831 2 жыл бұрын
Like you said in an earlier video on Mathew Lane's DrMS, a little goes a really long way. Very down-to-earth and pragmatic, as always. A video on why LCR mixing and hard panning yields better results would also be awesome. I think that's something few people really have a grasp on, because they have some preconceived notions that hard-panning is bad. Also, that shirt looks classy as heck!
@wannenburgwannenburg3695 2 жыл бұрын
I hard pan fairly often but I don't think you can say LCR mixing provides better results like it's a fact. There's a lot of context to go with it and if you think LCR is better in most or all cases you should watch Dan Worrall's videos on the subject
@asd2640 2 жыл бұрын
Hard panning yields better results? You better be joking. I don't know much about the LCR technique but panning has very little to do with achieving depth and movement in a mix. And using hard panning in a mix will make it sound like shit when you listen to it on headphones or convert to mono.
@AlexNiedt 2 жыл бұрын
@@asd2640 Completely context dependent, and hundreds of classic records would disagree with the idea that hard-panning in a mix can't translate.
@asd2640 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexNiedt Show me one of those "classic records" and let's me hear it. And I'm not talking about 1 sound hard panned on one side but there are other sounds on the other side. If that's the case let's not waste our time ok.
@AlexNiedt 2 жыл бұрын
@@asd2640 You're aware of how many chart-topping songs have been mixed LCR over the last handful of decades, right?
@emanuel_soundtrack 2 жыл бұрын
i would love a part 2 with examples
@schully__ 7 ай бұрын
U look great yooo!
@mixbustv 7 ай бұрын
😄 thank you!
@albertoskrico9412 2 жыл бұрын
Nice shirt! Can’t wait for the next Mixbustv purge 😅
@harrynak22 2 жыл бұрын
Great again David, it’s a confusing subject. Would be awesome to have practical examples, demos, to hear and see what the sideffects of M/S are (what to listen for), where it works and where it doesn’t. The wesaudio gear all have the option, I never used it coz I don’t understand
@davidlabarca 2 жыл бұрын
Nice shirt, violet or purplish colors will look good with the illumination of the studio.
@NominalTopic 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you for not being afraid to display equations. Sum (M=L+R) and Diff (S=L-R) are close to epiphanies, my friend. Thanks to you, I see more clearly how math and physics translate to music on the production-side. Please, always keep the equations! ❤🔥
@AlfonsoMuchacho 2 жыл бұрын
Shirt looks good David, #GucciGang
@Bring_MeSunshine 2 жыл бұрын
I've used a little mid side in mixes, but not much, basically because it sounded, 'odd', when I used it with EQ. But, I got some reasonbale results if I wound it back. In truth, that just shows up my lack of sophisticated ears. I watch this channel, to get better, but sometimes, I feel I'm still in the botton class, when I see the depths you go into on many topics. I guess I'll get better by osmosis, so keep em coming
@wordfabstream8745 2 жыл бұрын
Just a hobbyist here so FWIW... I'm amazed at how often 'the right way' comes down to pretty much 'Everything in moderation'
@xFanXAnime 2 жыл бұрын
When i discovered mid-side processing i used to listen to my favourite songs and Switch between mono and Stereo. Learned some Tricks of it (like you said, the ear candy thing for example). But the Main thing i learned was: keep the mono mix tight, then in Stereo it will sound incredible. Not the other way around.
@ericktellez7632 Жыл бұрын
exactly, same applies with mixing in lower volumes, when the mix retains clarity in a low volume, when you raise it back it will sound incredible.
@TroyBlackford 2 жыл бұрын
The shirt's dope. Been watching you five years, and never thought anything bad about your shirts, but this one is probably in the top 5 coolest shirts you've worn hahaha Seriously though, your channel is great.
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
:D thank you
@TroyBlackford 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv Thank you! If I ever get out of debt, first thing I do is spend six weeks talking my wife into letting me spend any money and thus enroll in your mixing classes. I just write songs and want to record them, but not being able to mix them after is clearly a bad thing. Any progress I've made on that front is thanks to you. Got kind of sidetracked because a month and a half after getting most of my recording gear in 2018, our youngest son, Adrian, was diagnosed with a very rare, seldom survivable, and ultimately fatal brain tumor we fought for 13 months. That kind of dampened my recording enthusiasm and eliminated my time. Then, as you can imagine, I wasn't feeling very "funky" after losing him (This is just an expression: I've never been funky). Our family is just starting to feel functional again, so I'm finally ready to get back on track with the music stuff, and knowing your channel is here to help is a great feeling. I started watching your channel the week I got my DAW, back when it was Studio One 3, not 5.5, so you've been in this with me in your way since I started it back up again. What I'm trying to say is: no, man, thank *you*.
@G.Webster 2 жыл бұрын
Mid-Side confused me a lot because of how people tossed it out and I couldn't figure out how/why/what for a while... Until I watched Dan Worrall talking about it. Then it all made sense why you would use it, and how, and why you wouldn't want to be using it all the time. It seems to be a scalpel, NOT a swiss-army knife. It is very specific to a certain thing and using it all the time would just be crazy. I've used it to improve mono compatibility on guitar tracks in dense mixes, I know people who have used it to push a wider sounding guitar through the sides before. But nobody who I've ever seen using it properly recommends it our-right. It serves a purpose, and should only be used with purpose, which is what you are saying here. There's a lot of change in how people consume audio and that is leading to people changing how they handle it on the mix end (binaural versus stereo for example)... but that's why it's even more important now to not take numbers and EQ curves and charts and apply them to your mix. You need to understand the why behind the how in order to make better mix decisions.
@lolitanaisya2242 2 жыл бұрын
hey dave,nice video..btw,pls make video abaout Phase Cancelling,Phase Flip/invert..thanks before
@waliddeui6725 4 ай бұрын
0:58 badass hahaha
@ManCalledMif 2 жыл бұрын
just got an SSL fusion and some other hardware that use mid-side processing. should be an interesting video.
@rol_saave Жыл бұрын
experience matters in all audio production and I agree only use it when you need it..
@michaelwiley1429 2 жыл бұрын
By definition, the more the sides are emphasized the less you'll have in the middle. And the middle is where all the energy is. Never use m-s without considering this trade off first.
@MerajTypeBeat 2 жыл бұрын
This video was packed with so much damn good info, especially that mid side overlap part. Never knew that. Always thought they would be truly separated. Speaking of EQs and what not, I had a question come to mind the other day and would like your input on it. If there’s a scenario, for example, where I want to make a piano’s highs be more present, which would you prefer? 1) EQ the piano to bring out the highs 2) Use a multiband saturator like Ozone exciter, FF Saturn or Wavesfactory Spectre and you saturate the highs Assuming you can make them both sound very similar or practically the same, wouldn’t the saturation option always be better due to the added harmonic content and potential to translate better to smaller speakers, no? Or it doesn’t matter that much! Side note: Yes, make those videos talking about and debunking those IG videos. It’ll be entertaining, fun and knowledgeable because we’ll learn WHY not to do certain thing. That “why” is important when it comes to understanding anything in life, and it helps people break from dogmatic approaches…..sick shirt too btw! 🔥 Thank you for your videos!
@threeforcegaming1769 2 жыл бұрын
I have used the Ozone exciter on some mono mixes and they have translated fairly well. I may be completely off the mark here, but I find small speakers tend to be fine reproducing high frequencies. I still tend to use something like the tools mentioned in question 2 for highs just because I like the result. I get a little sparkle or sizzle without adding EQ. It doesn't always make it on to the mix, but I almost always try it.
@MerajTypeBeat 2 жыл бұрын
@@threeforcegaming1769 I appreciate your response. You know, you might not be off the mark by mentioning speakers being able to reproduce highs pretty well, regardless. I was working on a mix that had a piano and that’s when examples 1 & 2 came to mind. I guess I’ll stick with 2 and, most importantly, that it sounds good to the ears 🙏🏽
@samsancheziii 2 жыл бұрын
Great Shirt
@Ness2Alyza 2 жыл бұрын
I never really used M/S, but now I am curious to its artefacts!
@YngHstlr 2 жыл бұрын
this man knows too much 🤯 can you talk about using EQ on frequencies specific to the key of the song?
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Yes I almost always eq based on notes, not much for the high range but mid and below, almost always. Weiss EQ1 freq selections are on precise notes (not many know this) and many eq have the little keyboard available, definitely something I do all the time
@Keroser1983 2 жыл бұрын
I always love and use MS processing plugins or at least the ones that have this feature :) But I use themn very carefully and always ( without exception ) check in Mono in each step. I just love to have the control under my hand LOL.
@MeanTrainingMachine 2 жыл бұрын
This will be another sticky!
@AdamZiokowski666 2 жыл бұрын
I've found only one nice sounding m/s eq plugin and still I use it gently - it's a Bettermaker 232D. It sounds great on groups or stereo effects (if needed) and I use m/s mode as an creative effect, not a problem-fixer.
@peezydabeatmonster8112 Жыл бұрын
absolutely love the bettermaker 232D🔥🔥🔥
@peaveynicolas1351 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! i realized this years ago and now i can confidently say that i have punchier/beefier mixes than when i was starting out. Makes me feel like going back to old projects sometimes hehe... Question though, as you said that there were some elements that are okay to be lost in mono compatibility... Would you use ever Mid/Side on a snare specific Reverb? Like, if i were going for a big sounding snare, but the big room sound isn't necessarily an integral part of the song. Would this be a good time to use mid side, on like a Reverb Sub? Thank you!
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, most definitely
@emanuel_soundtrack 2 жыл бұрын
awesome explanation, this is very interesting. Principally because i recently felt in love with this, using abbey road plugins. Do you have thoughts regarding MS for Orchestral or solo piano? Is this not the secret for depth without abusing reverb or surrounding? For me i found a great sound in master using the waves 154 compressor there. Also using the Mv2 to bring the tail to focus even while in background. But i may be in total another universe of music…The feeling of having 2 eq bands (Ms) made me perceive better the changes, and what stays fix, it is actually addicting ;)
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
It depends what we're talking about, real recorded orchestra or vsti's. The secret of depth for orchestral music is mic positioning and room where the players are being recorded into. The mixing of those recording is very very different from any pop/rock etc.. music and you want to be as natural as possible, as transparent as possible and midside eq would be used for correcting problems (that you can't fix otherwise) for the most part. With that said, once you know what to listen for, you use whatever tool to achieve the sound you want. With VSTi's is a bit different because you don't have to really be faithful to the source since it's either sampled or synthesized, in this case it can be used for sound design. From your description it kind of sounds like you just like the first impression of the bigger stereo image, which could be actually better or not. Don't take anyone's advise on this, I presented you the science and told you what to listen to, then you do what feels and sound best to you (if you're mixing your own stuff, if not what sounds best to your client)
@mbpublishing9195 2 жыл бұрын
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@matrixprogrock 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the technical explanation. Sum, difference makes a lot more sense than mid, side. If I understand correctly then, the R signal is always inverted when the "Side" signal is created. I'm trying to wrap my head around some of the problems that can create, and I'm thinking that the L and R signals should be treated differently from each other but I don't know how. L doesn't seem to be a problem, just R. Do you have a video addressing the specific issues?
@earthlightsmusic2743 2 ай бұрын
It was the Abbey Road Mastering Chain I bought from Waves that introduced me to Mid-Side processing in the first place. I'll review this presentation to get some better idea about when it might be OK to use.
@cerebralcoma4850 2 жыл бұрын
I find it useful to bring some guitars up with the mid/side adjustments....
@colinclarkmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. I cut 60hz from the sides of my recent mix using a MS eq. It seemed to really focus the lows in the center and clean up the sides. Not sure why it would have this effect since my 808 and kick drum are in mono.. but it does. My ears aren’t trained well enough to hear if I’m dealing with any phase problems... is this something you would advise against even if the cut is around 50-60hz?
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
I have a video on this specific subject coming out next week
@MichaelStelz 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! Can you show some examples when cutting the lows on the sides is needed and when it is totally unnecessary? Honestly I check songs which I think are beautifully mixed in the analyzer and compare it to the width of my low end ... don't know if that makes sense :)
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
Yes of course it makes sense. Look is not that difficult, mid side eq was invented pretty recently, that says something already about all the records made without it. Mainly the use became popular because of samples and the heavy use of synths for bass sounds. Some samples and some bass synths do have excess, emphasis on excess, sub bass present in the sides (which if you re-run the formula I cited here, you understand that is also normal) when those are in excess your low end sounds hollow and somewhat "phasey" if that doesn't happen, you don't need to cut lows on the sides. The next reason for this is the idea that you will "save" headroom and be able to push more limiting which is 1st, risky because you will have less power (some do high cuts on regular eq for this) and second if you do that then probably the mix ain't that great and you're using too much limiting to begin with. But the point is, have you notice how much lower the signal on the sides is compared to the mid? A lot. It would be so obvious if you had too much bass in the side to the point that is robbing you of headroom.
@MichaelStelz 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv Interesting thoughts! Thanks for the advice!
@ultrajayme 2 жыл бұрын
I added some m/s on a new dnb track and I'm about to remove it on a few elements when I get home from work. It took away from the life and richness on a couple sounds.
@rohitRraina 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome ❤️❤️, is there any course which will teach me all of that.. I mean ear training and using technology at the same time?
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
You don't learn all that in "one session" or one course, that and many aspects of mixing, you learn of that with experience, a lot of it, especially the ear training part. I'm biased but there's some of this in all my mixing courses
@rohitRraina 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv thank you for replying. I'll surely look into your course. 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Thanks ❤️
@doubleg1094 3 ай бұрын
i find that mid side is indispensable for synths , i tried it with the stereo-shaper plugin of fl studio and it does a "black magic effect" to synths , strings , ambiance and rap background vocal !
@renudae 2 жыл бұрын
That was thought provoking and informative. Bravo! Also, it's nice looking shirt but you've worn better. ~~~~ (good vibrations)
@PASHKA92 2 жыл бұрын
How I do it: Put ozone eq as my last plugin on master and check mid and side info of the reference then I check my mix and try to get as close as I can, reverb tails, delays, what sounds in the middle what on sides and when I solo side info it should be balanced and clean and nice. So I play only sides of my mix and if something jumps out I find that sound or reverb send or delay and do some cuts only on side signal of that sound until I get it right for my ears. It's more like some tonal balance. I don't know it's right or wrong, I think it works)
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
You'd be better off using it to monitor and then adjust single tracks instead but eh whatever works for ya
@PASHKA92 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv yep I will try it ... Thanx for your videos, I find a lot of answers here on your channel)
@LucasMichalski 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video. I totally agree that M/S on regular EQ messes with the transients ect but switching to Linear Phase solves that problem in both mixing and mastering. I use M/S while mastering quite often (same in mixing with dealing with stereo tracks to for example create pocket for vocals) but first use LP mode and only make subtle changes like 0.1 to 0.5 db max and mostly do it in higher frequencies where pre-ringing is hardly present. What is your opnion about that? Thank you
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but it doesn't. What I described in this video happens because of the encoding, not because of the type of eq. Linear phase eq won't solve it, it will add instead, pre-ringing. Sure you won't have the phase shift and when you would use MS regardless, sometimes can sound better then regular eq, but just as sometimes LP can sound better than regular eq when NOT using MS, make sense? The two only related (just like everything else in audio) but LP won't solve this. Now in your case, if you do adjustments within 0.5db I would lean towards using regular eq instead because the potential artifacts with such small changes are minimal to insignificant (probably) and an LP would maybe add additional smearing, just because of the nature of the processing, for no reason.
@bananermat3798 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixbustv I've experienced smearing of transients from LP mid/side processing in a mastering session. Is pre-ringing what is causing that smearing? I can't hear any audible pre-ringing but I notice as I cut rumble from the sides (sub 50Hz) the kick and snare lost attack. Is this caused by the pre-ringing? Would make sense intuitively as pre-ringing is sound ahead of the initial attack, no?
@gbeat_sounds 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video, A quick question, my mix is muddy at the low end. I saw tutorials that suggested high pass EQ on the sides. I did it, and I have the impression that the mix looses widerness and depth. Yes it cuts some muddiness, but the end result is more flat and shallow. How can I make more space in my mix, to remove this
@timschannel247 2 жыл бұрын
M/S came up out of old Radio Station Times. The only reason was to keep broadcasting flexible. So in order to have a signal you can broadcast as far as possible, the mono signal is used and as the signal quality was better the side signal was additionally added by the radio receiver. According to this more and more studio productions tried to follow the M/S Approach. To be honest, I see only a technical, historical reason, M/S was never invented to improve sound quality, so I would say as we are not really more relying on it, we could just forget about it LOL
@keywestjimmy Жыл бұрын
Eek. If you get rid of mid and side signals, you have dual mono. It's what makes stereo, stereophonic.
@relaxmax6808 Жыл бұрын
I watched your 2 videos on cutting the low ends sides and this one. Cool, but not imagery enough for me. lol. I would have liked to hear the effect (on transients or phasing) of this mid-side treatment and therefore its bad effect on an instrument to understand more precisely which frequencies are not good at separating. Well as a beginner, I tried to cut the low ends sides with Fab Filter and even with a brickwall it doesn't work. (I opened a second fab filter EQ afterwards and to tell the truth there is a small drop in dB but not enough to cut the low ends). So if there is anyone who manages to do this BS: congratulations to them! Lol!😄
@kegnvenegas6672 2 жыл бұрын
Opinion on Dolby atmos mixing/spatial audio mixes
@connorm8008 2 жыл бұрын
If I had to cut some sub lows out from a master (maybe a 12db slope at 30hz), do you think that I should use a regular eq or a linear phase eq? Do the benefits of linear phase outweigh the detriments of pre-ringing that it introduces?
@mixbustv 2 жыл бұрын
No they - more often than not - don't, especially in the low range it would be much more audible than using a regular eq
@mygirlfriendismean 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a nice shirt.
@RETCHED-METAL 2 жыл бұрын
So I'm moving towards not ever using the mid side processing because I don't understand it anyway but I have put it in just to see what it sounds like and I never liked it of course I'm green as hell lol getting my source material ready for the re release. Thanks big Dave. I don't know how to use it anyway lol
@ArielNora 2 жыл бұрын
Liked it even before watching! I know I need to see this
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