Why ZSS is the HARDEST Character To Play...

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4 ай бұрын

I'm a simple man. I see Zero Suit Samus in a thumbnail on a video by Vars III, I will make a reaction video out of it. That said though, I really wanted to talk about this incredible video that explains the archetype ZSS and many other similar characters are, and why I think they are some of the hardest characters to win with in this game.
Original video by ‪@VarsIII‬: • Hit And Run Fighters -...
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@VarsVerum 4 ай бұрын

Marss my dude I am giving you the freest content to farm in the world 😂

@kismet4918 4 ай бұрын

Lmao

@Todoza 4 ай бұрын

Yes

@dyll_pyckle 4 ай бұрын

Still a great vid though!

@zzzzzygaming 4 ай бұрын

Mars and Varss 🤝

@tagesguck5761 4 ай бұрын

18:30 the banjo went through all that effort to recover but Marss just absolutley dunked on him, didnt even bat an eye. love it.

@Alibaba-id1cs 4 ай бұрын

Was optimal and needed to be done so gotta respect it honestly

@shepardice3775 4 ай бұрын

I lol'ed at that I thought he would at least comment on it 😭

@casual_ssb3282 4 ай бұрын

3:40 I thought I was going crazy but he said the thing about Sonic and Joker twice 😂😂😂

@Pro-kesh 4 ай бұрын

glitch in the matrix

@oriolysmedia Ай бұрын

Hahaha thought the same

@Chantpilledfab 4 ай бұрын

I love that Marss keeps calling him Vars the Third for absolutely no reason

@dndmike_fr 4 ай бұрын

i feel like joker could be a part of that archetype but aresene is such a strong tool that really he can fit any playstyle in most mu’s

@Contrary22 4 ай бұрын

Joker is as easy as Cloud. Which is to say that he isn't difficult. Didn't need to be brought up in this discussion. 😂

@dndmike_fr 4 ай бұрын

@@Contrary22 at mid level he’s easy fs

@jaceee4154 4 ай бұрын

@@Contrary22nahh joker isn’t super hard to play but cloud is on another level of baby’s first smash character ong

@samzotos 4 ай бұрын

@@Contrary22joker is not as easy as cloud. I main joker and switched to cloud because he is easier at top levels

@shepardice3775 4 ай бұрын

@@Contrary22 Saying Joker is as easy is Cloud is crazy to me as someone who plays both 💀 Joker is easy with Arsene because at the level I play at, Arsene *is* the gameplan. I can just spam my super buffed moves without thinking and get a big reward for it. At the top player level though, even with Arsene it almost looks as if they're playing with base Joker the whole time, and base Joker is definitely hard. Joker has a ton of options, but at the top level he has no clear gameplan or flowchart. Even though Arsene is executionally simple people eventually stop walking into your hitboxes

@SpaceFaceProductions 4 ай бұрын

I think the takeaway is characters like Kazuya and Peach require far more character specific knowledge and tech whereas characters like zss and inkling require more overall game knowledge and experience to win matchups

@TheLogBerry 4 ай бұрын

Kazuya and peach are not at all comparable in terms of difficulty, peach still requires a ton of overall game knowledge on top of character specific tech, Kazuya only really needs ewgf

@wishtyme 4 ай бұрын

Yes I hate how people refer to Kazuya as being hard when you can master ewgf in like in hour in training mode, he has no other hard inputs@@TheLogBerry

@TheLogBerry 4 ай бұрын

@@wishtyme exactly, Kazuya being hard is a myth

@SpaceFaceProductions 4 ай бұрын

@@TheLogBerry yeah you’re right peach bad example maybe someone like Mario would be more comparable

@realcass072 4 ай бұрын

@@wishtymeif that were true top 8s would be overrun by kazuya players, it’s not that simple lol

@bluyu 4 ай бұрын

The Banjo at the end was just spamming the same stuff lmao - this is why you learn to Z-catch his grenades and throw them back at him. Or at least when you're using Joker, use them to get Arsene. If you take away the one thing that the Banjo player knows how to do, they're toast.

@ihopeyouandicanbefriends 4 ай бұрын

glad marss vibes with vars like i do, i really like his perspective and generally agree with almost all of his takes

@sandau44 4 ай бұрын

Marss' dunk on Dabuzz under the stage is still so fucking raw.

@LizardKing907 4 ай бұрын

Frosty: “Hardest character is def Samus, that suit is super hard.” Marss: “Kirby can turn into a rock so maybe he’s the hardest.” Me an intellectual: “Captain Falcons nipples are the hardest thing in the game.”

@igirjei3717 4 ай бұрын

In melee his nips used to be spikes too. It was insane but unfortunately they had to nerf it

@oakijak7387 Ай бұрын

I think the one thing missing from this discussion is when the work is being done. A character like incineroar might not have to work hard once he gets in but getting in can be like climbing a mountain. Playing a grappler at high level is a different type of difficulty that requires a lot of mental stamina to not just give up after being hit by the 800th fireball so you can capitalize on your one moment

@camaslamian8514 4 ай бұрын

Sonic is the strongest hit and run character because he hits like a truck and, well...

@thomaslayman9487 4 ай бұрын

runs like one too tbh 🚛💨

@stuckincollege1778 4 ай бұрын

Fly like a butterfly Sting like a bee You better hope you don't die Because he's going for YOUR KNEES

@joshnoritake3167 4 ай бұрын

He’s not hit and run, he’s just RUN Also he absolutely can go for extended engagements since he can combo so much more easily than other characters due to his absurd physics and spindash.

@brendanmohareful 4 ай бұрын

Sick how you can get into elite smash without short hopping or fast falling. In fact that style is probably advantageous when lag is eating inputs.

@penis_owner 4 ай бұрын

Ellie Smash just means you're good at using unreactable panic moves or you know basic matchups enough that you can read decently well, Nintendo wi-fi makes it very not matter

@brendanmohareful 4 ай бұрын

@@penis_owner Yeah I like watching someone come down from a double jump in slow motion and just thinking, I probably can't do anything about this.

@coolshirtkid 4 ай бұрын

playing zss feels like the character is held together by scotch tape and glue 😂 there’s no character i have more fun playing tho so i think every zss player just enjoys suffering

@alexneuman600 4 ай бұрын

Crazy how this PERFECTLY describes playing mewtwo as well

@Matpit18 3 ай бұрын

Greninja is just Water Fox - Coney, 2023

@arcvigaming8198 3 ай бұрын

Dude I was arguing with my entire discord trying to tell them that Aegis is not as easy to pick up and play as people think and they wouldn't listen to me. Thanks for the arguements! Haha

@brysonmcfaull1218 4 ай бұрын

10:05 funny edit 😂 Vars III definitely knows you watch his videos and threw you that bone

@RushWheeler 4 ай бұрын

The way you worded that comment makes it sound like only Vars' third channel knows about Marss watching his content and the rest of him has no idea.

@adamdrinkwater2850 4 ай бұрын

Love to see inkling getting pats on backs.

@fiendfi7119 4 ай бұрын

sonic's archetype is "you know the vibes"

@thatonedudeyousawb4 4 ай бұрын

I saw greninja in the video and it reminded me, your greninja in Collision squad strike recently was absolutely nasty

@WrathOfSimno 4 ай бұрын

Trying to break down archetype is silly when discussing "easy" vs "hard" characters. It comes down to three aspects most of the time when discussing the difficulty of a character: 1. How many times do they need to win neutral 2. How obvious is their best option in any given moment 3. How strong that option is (including plausibility or precision needed).

@IncidentalSSBM 4 ай бұрын

But then kazuya would be the easiest character in the game, and he is not

@leifpeterson4850 4 ай бұрын

@@IncidentalSSBMhow is he not 😂😂 kaz is easy bro

@IncidentalSSBM 4 ай бұрын

@@leifpeterson4850 min min

@shenangelo 4 ай бұрын

Well put

@sikeyno.8797 4 ай бұрын

@@IncidentalSSBMhe kinda is game plan wise gameplay wise not so much

@Inukitsoq 4 ай бұрын

I like this kind of reaction video a lot more than "Craziest x in smash". Marss has a lot of insight and stuff to comment on

@Mono-ni7yu 4 ай бұрын

Another vid from my glorious king Marss

@belguteigan-ochir3545 4 ай бұрын

I was NOT expecting this to turn into a Cheeto fingers episode!!!🤗

@thesandreckener 4 ай бұрын

would lucario be a hit and run fighter? A lot of his gameplan is to get in with a couple of simple hits, before retreating, but IDK

@landoftheninja 4 ай бұрын

Naw, cause after he gets aura his gameplan turns into, "Good luck touching me, LOL." 😂

@thesandreckener 4 ай бұрын

I suppose it shifts? goes from a hit and run at low % then shifts to a glass canon at high % ?@@landoftheninja

@sikeyno.8797 4 ай бұрын

He’s a gimmick character

@penis_owner 4 ай бұрын

He's a glass cannon with decent durability at high percents which is kind of bad design? but at low percents he's more of a fundamentals character than a hit and runner due to his low mobility with decent combo potential and comparably mid neutral game since he has low range and slow projectiles

@SomeDudeIGuess 4 ай бұрын

Fr tho, I main ganon and that is unbelievablely easy and same with roy to an extent, but I recently picked up bayo and it is a bit harder, but still just as satisfying as winning with ganon or roy

@Spacie_687 4 ай бұрын

Love marss to always put me in my place as a rushdown player

@garrettpullen9740 4 ай бұрын

My favorite league KZfaqr and smash KZfaqr in one vid!

@zeroniTDX 4 ай бұрын

10:17 and then they said marss head grew 3 sizes that day

@billstevens9367 4 ай бұрын

nah watching banjo slam joker into the ground twice in 3 seconds is peak

@seanferguson9267 4 ай бұрын

Reminds me of chase vs sonix when they swapped mains in bracket.

@unclefred3128 4 ай бұрын

14:13 What were you even aiming at there?

@stinky3_ 4 ай бұрын

Does pikachu count as hit and run? Or is he more versatile/busted

@christiankoll1528 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, you bring up a good point about difficulty vs. skill level. Most people who play this game aren't top level players, and it shows by the characters you run into online most often.

@mannx2_495 4 ай бұрын

Surprised you watched this video same time I saw it. Vars’s channel lowkey goated Edit: video reaction into gameplay is a nice mixup

@shenangelo 4 ай бұрын

The problem with vars' video and most of his videos is that he describes smash characters as though they were designed with competitive play in mind while that is blatantly not the case. Archetypes definitely exist on the character design, but what he calls hit and run are just characters with good neutrals but lacking in certain areas such as advantage or bein prone to reversals. They require immense precision, which is why they're difficuly. That's why I actually prefer marss' term of neutral monster.

@RaizaS94 4 ай бұрын

What makes fox easy? I’ve tried numerous times to play him and feel like I don’t things right with the character.

@huh9400 4 ай бұрын

Ridiculously fast and braindead fast and safe buttons

@RaizaS94 4 ай бұрын

@@huh9400 could you go into abit more detail if possible?

@mythic8556 4 ай бұрын

@@RaizaS94you can throw out a lot of moves without being punished and without thinking

@user-jc2jp7rd9f 4 ай бұрын

all you have to do is learn a couple combos and learn how to frame trap and you'll usually win against most players and characters just by out damaging with every interaction you win + taking stage control

@ayelookitsjakai 4 ай бұрын

His conversion ability, good recovery with an invisible option. Fast, many safe buttons. Does good damage and has amazing advantage state.

@SNoodle 4 ай бұрын

This looks like a Vars thumbnail

@camaraderie1233 4 ай бұрын

10:33 Ayo???? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

@pocketvices 4 ай бұрын

Tarik is such a beast

@lilpoetat 4 ай бұрын

thanks!

@imos_theos 4 ай бұрын

Live A Live music intro? Big fan :)

@pocketvices 4 ай бұрын

Marss is such a beast

@emmanuelrangel1050 4 ай бұрын

"I feel like Joker is definitely like that calculated hit and run kind of stuff. I don't know about. I guess Sonic is I never considered what archetype sonic is, but I feel like Joker is definitely like that calculated hit and run kind of stuff. I don't know about. I guess Sonic is I never considered what archetype sonic is." -marss 3:33-3:51

@tfgbvfgyh 4 ай бұрын

whats that game called during the subscribe segment?

@Novae69 4 ай бұрын

It’s one of the “King of Fighters” games, not sure which one.

@NeutralL12 4 ай бұрын

Timing out Marss with a Banjo some OD shit

@andreazhab 3 ай бұрын

3:50 I think your editor made a funny little repetition

@andrewc7866 4 ай бұрын

why is diddy not here?

@no-bc4jl 4 ай бұрын

He fled the country bro

@tutosscratchfr6746 4 ай бұрын

i enjoyed the fuck out of this video thank you marss

@fiendfi7119 4 ай бұрын

trappers are hard to play but they're also hard to play against. it's always a matchup check.

@ngotemna8875 4 ай бұрын

As a Captain Falcon main this offends me.....but i also agree completely

@Eggss_B 4 ай бұрын

Finally, someone said it. Fox is NOT a hard character, Idk who started that propaganda

@autoimmunedefficiencysyndrome 4 ай бұрын

Joker can rushdown if your opponent's character is slow 😂

@Mayz_7850 4 ай бұрын

Ik im not good okay(fox and pichu main)

@zackmurdock6051 4 ай бұрын

fox players have literally never been invited to a social gathering once

@Mykahaia 4 ай бұрын

Oh play Ganon vs a mobile and zoner character...

@coreyodell6220 4 ай бұрын

I mean tbf just because the character is easy doesn't mean he's good. If anything, Ganon having such few good tools makes his gameplan even simpler.

@therockazoid1723 4 ай бұрын

DK is a top tier hit and run character. Prove me wrong. Leo picks up DK. Suddenly he's top 5. Again... Prove me wrong.

@legomyeggo_7244 4 ай бұрын

Bowser is obviously far more difficult.

@LEANSWORTH 4 ай бұрын

Idk I picked up joker and while I’m definitely not the best by far he wasn’t that hard especially cuz arsene back air is stupid

@DAWGIESZ64 4 ай бұрын

Balls

@MR-zt1hh 4 ай бұрын

im here to try and curb the super corny FIRST comments

@mrmunchin2578 4 ай бұрын

doing the lords work thank you

@tay.vzns00 4 ай бұрын

First comments are mandatory

@beantherapy 4 ай бұрын

you somehow made a worse comment

@tay.vzns00 4 ай бұрын

@@beantherapy looks like ur new to the internet 🤣

@coolshirtkid 4 ай бұрын

here before the annoying people who say “wow __ views in __ seconds ____ fell off 🤓” on every single video

@txbrxhxm 3 ай бұрын

As a Rosa main, nah

@NioXoiN 4 ай бұрын

Good zss probably have the easiest time bullying low level players

@Baggerz182 4 ай бұрын

shes not

@marcoguerra5637 3 ай бұрын

I don't understand if you don't do Orio's video as content "because his logic is probably better explained by him" or You don't recognize his content because you are trolling. Example... a Zss main I know you wanted to convince everyone that roll in is bad because. Roll out gives you bait flip kick. But why you don't review Orio? I don't get it

@marcoguerra5637 3 ай бұрын

Izaw's videos are useful until they are not.. Orios videos teach you HOW TO THINK.. As a person that mains zss for a living I can see how you wouldn't want to expose Orio

@royceisthebestrapper7686 4 ай бұрын

Zss sux

@leifpeterson4850 4 ай бұрын

John Barnett is dead guys……

@brendanmohareful 4 ай бұрын

Greninja sux

@altraxia2074 4 ай бұрын

me when up smash:

@therockazoid1723 4 ай бұрын

Blah blah blah Kazuya Ewgf isn't that great. Blah blah blah zss do stuff.

@PrinceKatamari 4 ай бұрын

Yayyyyyyy at long last it has happened. I AM THE FIRST. THE CHOSEN ONE

@PrinceKatamari 4 ай бұрын

KNEEL BEFORE ME PEASANTS

@MR-zt1hh 4 ай бұрын

the CORNY one. goofy

@PrinceKatamari 4 ай бұрын

@@MR-zt1hh QUIET, PEASANT. YOU'RE AN ANT TO ME

@ElariaFlori 4 ай бұрын

@@PrinceKatamari by claiming this title you’re merely naming yourself the king of the clowns. So, do you back down, or choose to die with the ship as a corny mf that no one cares what they do?

@twizzlyblue1241 4 ай бұрын

early commenters be funny challenge

@tally.klecko 4 ай бұрын

Giant and extremely safe moves and pokes + literally not having disadvantage (flip jump) = hard char? Marss himself has said more than once ZSS is an easy char. I don't find spamming safe moves until it finally lands into a combo very hard ngl. Playing ZSS eliminates most real-time risk-reward calculations that you make in-game. Maybe it's the online ZSS's I play but I can't think of another char that has a more hold-forward point and shoot playstyle tbh. I also like how that video showed clutch moments by Marss that had nothing to do with character difficulty but just Marss being godlike lmao.

@bravo2675 4 ай бұрын

Zss not having a disadvantage with flip jump is one of the most 2019 takes ive ever heard

@tally.klecko 3 ай бұрын

@@bravo2675 Try 2023 Marss lmao