How to work out what you can tow? || Explained - TARE, GVM, AXLE LOAD LIMITS, GCM, ATM, GTM, TBM...

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0:00 Intro
01:40 Vehicle TARE
02:40 Vehicle GVM
03:06 Vehicle Axle Load Limit
03:50 Vehicle Payload
04:42 Vehicle GCM
07:15 GVM Upgrade
09:13 So I've weighed the car, now what can I tow?
10:00 Caravan Tare
10:19 Caravan ATM
10:37 Caravan Payload
11:20 Caravan GTM and TBM
26:42 Lowball mass percentage?
Vehicle Tare;
This is how much an empty bog stock-standard car weighs from factory with nothing more than a few litres of fuel in it, the basic tool kit the car came with (jack and wheel brace) and the spare wheel.
Vehicle GVM (Gross Vehicle Mass);
This is the heaviest the car is allowed to be.
Axle Load Limit;
The amount of weight the car can support on each axle. If you combine these figures it will give you the GVM (maximum weight the car can be).
Payload;
The amount of weight you can put in the car. This includes people, fuel, bolt on accessories (bullbar, winch, side steps, roof racks, tow bar, bash plates, auxiliary batteries, second spare wheel, drawers, fridges, luggage, water ect...). To work out payload you simply take the TARE from the GVM.
E.g; 3000kg GVM - 2000kg Tare = 1000kg Payload
GCM (Gross Combined Mass);
Total weight the car and whatever you're towing can weigh together.
E.g 3000kg vehicle + 3000kg Caravan = 6000kg GCM
Caravan/Trailer Tare;
Empty weight of Caravan/Trailer from factory - water tanks and gas cylinders empty.
Be aware that caravan manufacturers can sometimes do things like remove spare wheels, mattresses, gas cylinders ect before they weigh the van to try get a lower Tare weight. Always a good idea to weigh a new van as soon as you get it home.
Caravan/Trailer ATM (Aggregate Trailer Mass);
Max weight the caravan is allowed to be.
Caravan/Trailer Payload;
The amount of weight you can put in the caravan/trailer. This includes filling water tanks, filling gas cylinders, filling fridge, food, clothes, toys, personal belongings, toiletries, books, cameras/laptops/charging gear ect. To work out payload you simply take the TARE from the ATM.
E.g; 3000kg ATM - 2000kg Tare = 1000kg Payload
Caravan/Trailer GTM (Gross Trailer Mass) and TBM (Trailer Ball Mass);
Roughly 90% of the weight of your caravan/trailer transfers to the ground through the axle/s, this is the GTM. The other 10% transfers to the car through the tow ball when its hitched, this is the TBM.
10% TBM (Tow Ball mass)?
This is roughly where you want to be. Ball weight for stable travel is generally recommended to be around 8-12% of the weight of the caravan. Too high a ball weight and the front of the tow vehicle is lifted up, causing reduction in steering response, and a tendency to understeer when taking a turn. However if the ball weight is too low, it can cause the trailer to become unstable and sway a lot. It s always recommended to check the ball weight after loading up a caravan to ensure that the ball weight is satisfactory.
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@RobbMinion 2 жыл бұрын

all car and caravan manufacturers would benefit from this video, its the best I have seen for weight explinations I have EVER seen period, very well done Cam, very well done

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Robb!!

@SarahandKeelanTravels 2 жыл бұрын

cheers mate, this would have to be the best video made on the topic. effectively explained using a real life situation that every tourer faces!

@thetravellingpadburys8972 2 жыл бұрын

Cam! You should have seen the car salesman's face when I threw figures likes this around. I was so impressed with myself in being able to articulate what we need from our new tow van. Thanks so much for sharing this with us!

@anthonymcneil8778 2 жыл бұрын

Well explained. I think the tinny has to go, plus all other you tube channels have tinnies and it would be good to have a point of difference. Your channel has remained different as you’re not driving around in a $250k stretched 200 series or plugging an expensive brand of caravan so you remain relevant to the vast majority of your viewers. I’m sure if someone offered you these products you’d jump at them as we all would. You can rent tinnies everywhere or jump in someone’s else’s.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Anthony, stretched 200, tinny and a flash van would be bloody nice though! Appreciate the comment mate, thank you.

@richardhardiker6014 2 жыл бұрын

did you include a motor for a tinnie?? thats gonna change everything again, sorry, LOL

@fjadventures 2 жыл бұрын

@@WildTouring Agree With Anthony, its one of the things we love watching your Channel is that you do what most people can afford up to a point of cause. Watching these youtubers with a Stretched 200 or RAM and a Lotus or other van with a total cost of like 400k just isn't realistic for everyone. The way you laid out what you want/need from a van was pretty much like for like what we laid out on ours.

@lajovillaflor4638 Жыл бұрын

Another option is inflatable boat or inflatable kayaks ,get a bigger Ute rated to handle these loads, I if you don’t want to lose the tinny. Was the weigh of the outboard motor considered in the weights? Thanks for the explanation it was well done👍

@krump743 2 жыл бұрын

This needs to be adopted by the department of transport. And a link provided by all caravan sellers to customers. Caravan owners are some of the most dangerous road users out there, they are oblvious to weights. Nothing instills confidence to other users than seeing a 4wd/suv squatting so far down in the rear the front wheels are floating along the road.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty concerning that there are so many overweight rigs getting around. I think its a mix of ignorance, misinformation and indifference.

@KWofPerth 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation. Good to see a worked example. Loved the magnetic visuals, haha. John Cadogan has a few vids on this subject. He's not a fan of the way car manufacturers promote their towing capacities, as it's always unrealistic once you crunch the numbers.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate!

@slowboat6021 2 жыл бұрын

well done Cam, the best explanation of the weights I've seen.

@DAWNadventures 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this mate - great explanation and helped me out heaps. Was like looking at the coaches board watching the magnets get moved around!

@kingchief4038 2 жыл бұрын

Class in session :) Took me a lot of research figuring this out my first time. You break it down very clearly im sure it will help out 'loads' of people...

@tjukurrta 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam, great info! Always appreciate your time and effort to do these videos and share your knowledge and experience to help us all 👍

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@robertl5202 2 жыл бұрын

Well done ! Very very clearly explained. Much appreciated. Best of luck with the caravan 👍

@JudgieRob0422 Жыл бұрын

Just watching your video now, and I have to say you explain the whole situation from start to finish, gives me a great understanding of what I need to do to work out my set up. Well done mate!

@peterokeefe1463 2 жыл бұрын

The best explanation on the whole weight debate. Thanks Cam a real ripper episode thanks so much👍👍👍

@cathbp4089 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation Cam. This is best one so far I've seen. Love the visuals.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cath!

@petershaw9717 4 ай бұрын

Hi Cam. Great presentation. Easily understood & concise More significant, the combination of your knowledge, clarity & factual simplicity allowed me to create a spreadsheet using your data & now we can determine if a target vehicle & caravan will comply with mass limits. Sincere thanks.

@WildTouring 4 ай бұрын

Cheers mate, glad it was useful to you!

@margojohn604 2 жыл бұрын

Again, another excellent vid, Cam and very well explained with the visuals and number crunching. It can feel quite overwhelming to sit down and learn about tow weights, axle weights and tow capacities. The first number crunch session I did took about 2 hours as we were looking at caravans that we could legally tow with the car that we had at the time. We were not prepared to purchase a new car, so we purchased a van that our car could safely and legally tow....and had to forgo certain things to meet that brief. It was an on road caravan without an ensuite and yet we still had awesome getaways with it. For our current tow vehicle, I insisted on a Pre Reg GCM/GVM upgrade, not so that we COULD tow 3.5 ton and travel at max GCM, but that we had that weight buffer safety net across the tow combination. We tow our current van loaded at about 3.2t give or take 50kgs with 270ishkg on the towball, again depending on what we have in the van and how it is loaded. People are also getting caught out with weights, such as what happened with the unexpected weight of your current tinnie, or vans that have changed furniture configurations, or have added after market battery systems, extra solar panels on the roof, or added an after market airconditioner or washing machine. Those weight additions are not reflected on the compliance plates of the van. So people can look at the plate and calculate the payload and towball weight of their secondhand, but new to them, caravan and can be overweight before they even put a stubby of beer in the fridge and a loaf of bread in the microwave. (that is where people store their bread, right?) Everyone looking at purchasing a second hand caravan (regardless of age) should be putting the van over the scales/weighbridge before parting with ANY money. Despite all of the youtube videos, write ups in car and van mags, and oline articles there are still so many obviously overloaded combinations up out there. But, I am also sure that with more people talking about this and reading about this, they are looking at their own setups and thinking it is time to get legal. Got carried away, as per usual. Sorry.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree with all of the above! And good on you for putting the effort into figuring out what you could tow legally before purchasing something. I do regret not looking into a pre rego GVM/GCM upgrade for the same reasons (a little bit of a buffer!), but at the time Tiff and I had no intention to ever tow a caravan. Haha how things change when kids come on the scene!!

@79series Жыл бұрын

By far the best explained video on weight ever.

@tashhanrahan3139 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam, a lot of research and effort put in this video and it is appreciated. Going to tell ppl to watch this rather then try explain myself! Loved the cut outs of car, caravan and boat so cute!

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Tash!

@annettemay5743 2 жыл бұрын

Very Good Job Cam, You have explained it very well. I remember when I first came across your Video's, I nearly didn't follow as you have a Child and we don't now but! I love what you do your Honesty, straight forward explainations, and you call a spade a spade, oh and finally the places your family have been and taken all of us along. Totally awesome. And yes that rear axle weight is the one people forget about. cheers and good luck with the new Van.

@peterdickinson9800 2 жыл бұрын

This would have to be the best video that I have seen explaining this important issue. Well done. I will share on caravan forums as every caravan owner must understand this issue.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter, appreciate the comment and sharing of the video!

@iang7395 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, well explained in easy to understand language. We, wife and I , both got a lot out of it. Keep up the great work

@jonathanwhalen1041 23 күн бұрын

Thank you. Your's is the best explanation I have found on KZfaq.

@blc3927 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Cam, Love the vids and watching the series. One thing that you say alot is 'legally'. There is a definitive gap between what is legal and what is safe. In most (?) cases, these are two very different things. I watched with hesitation when you had the GVM upgrade, but I think ultimately you need a bigger vehicle. Every thing seems to be at(near) the limit of the upgraded GVM or the GCM. Doesn't leave much wiggle room. Did you consider a truck, Canter or NPS size? Already has the higher GVM, higher GCM. A mIle of seat room in the back for the kids, and you can take the tinny. I say win win. As a side note check out John Cadogan on GVM upgrades from an engineers perspective. He puts another perspective on the whole GVM/GCM debate.

@BuckJoFiden 10 ай бұрын

Been looking for an explanation as good as this for awhile. Good job mate ! Thanks heaps 👍🏆🍻🍻🍻

@peterreeve3030 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video Cam so well explained. As always clear and informative. Keep up the excellent work.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter, appreciate it mate!

@garyhadelmayer7062 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks heaps for uploading this video, great explanation. Ive been watching your video's all day today, such a great channel , so glad i came across it, I'm planning a big lap next year and all your video's are a great help, definitely will order some merchandise to give back what i have taken out . Happy Days.

@johncampbell3628 2 жыл бұрын

Good explanation. Should be required viewing for all people towing caravans

@mickcollins5502 Жыл бұрын

Well done, great easy to understand explanation of everything that you need to check before you spend money on the wrong weight caravan!

@hkss14 2 жыл бұрын

Hey mate, just subscribed today and watched this video. This is one of the most comprehensive videos I have seen about weights yet. Really great stuff 👏 Went through a similar approach after we bought our new caravan recently, especially given the Pajero towing limitation in regards to ball and overall weight. Cheers.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, appreciate the support and kind words! Best of luck with the new van and your travels!

@smartycarty 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation. Everyone towing a caravan/trailer should get to know this. Looking forward to your video of final caravan choice.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate!

@chrisriley8184 2 жыл бұрын

As usual Cam, another great video, I really enjoyed this one, You make it quite easy to follow..... Maybe it was the pictures helping my brain not sure but it makes sense to me the way you explain it and I miss school so the whiteboard was kinda cool :-) Keep it up mate. Always enjoy

@JustcruznRob-AlanaBuick 2 жыл бұрын

Bloody great video Cam, best explanation I’ve seen. I did all these calculations before buying my Ranger Wildtrak X. I did a Lovells GVM / GCM upgrade pre-rego of the Ranger. Well done mate, great work, cheers 🍻

@ailsanicholson2413 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, that was the best explanation of terminology and how all the figures relate that I have found. The white board and pictures helped a lot, thank you. We just had a Pedders GVM upgrade last week to our Isuzu M-ux in readiness for our van.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ailsa, the Pedders GVM upgrade is good gear!

@007oli 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, one of the best ones on KZfaq presenting this topic. A few ideas Can you keep the outboard in the van to help with gvm? And move it to ute when needed and not hitched. Do you need to have water tanks full on van? At caravan parks you can fill up there and how many nights in a row are you free camping? You could keep the ute water tank to do a water run if needed. I think you should get a lighter tinny and trim weight everywhere else.

@garyloy9451 2 жыл бұрын

Great Explanation Cam - again another great video👍👍- the rear axle loading is the devil in the detail - i dropped the tinny idea and went a Takacat 300LX - about 55kg total when you pair it with a 6hp outboard

@chaslie Жыл бұрын

Well done Cam. The best explanation!

@themacs488 2 жыл бұрын

Best video I’ve seen to date concerning weights.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@andreainnes2752 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for explaining this so well, as a single woman men seem to just say you will be fine, but this explains everything.....yes I believe I'm over loaded as we speak....thanks again for keeping it real ad always..

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrea! Happy travels!

@Miniearthworks 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video, well explained, easy to follow with no BS. Keep up the good work

@colinross6259 2 жыл бұрын

Well done Cam. I had a bit of crack at you on the Pedders GVM upgrade cos you didn't mention the heavier the vehicle the less you can tow. Nailed it this time. That towball weight and the family in the car added onto the GVM catches a lot out.

@lukehutchinson6754 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation on the weights and terms. I have seen so many overloaded rigs and awareness is not there. Looking forward to seeing what you guys choose as the best fit 👍🍺🍻

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Luke. Yeah I think there are heaps of overweight setups on our roads, probably a mix of not understanding or simply not caring!

@robfowler3824 Жыл бұрын

Wow so much to get your head around, well done on the way you explained it Cam

@donmuller8930 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam, One of the BEST explanations of these weight issues that face all of us travelers of this Great Country and taking our stuff with us!, Have found out the hard way you can’t build the ultimate camping setup and tow as well!, We are taking the Makocraft 3.46 tinny, yours obviously not working, shame awesome boat. Making some Canopy changes to make it happen as you . Keep up the Awesome content love following your adventures. Cheers

@jeffgreen... 2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully explained, I feel a lot more confident now in my choice of both vehicle and van. MDC here I come.. 👍

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jeff. We loved out MDC mate 👍

@jeffgreen... 2 жыл бұрын

@@WildTouring I wish I had know you were selling yours, I would of definitely had it from you. I'm in Como.

@chrisd2518 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam. Great explanation, should be compulsory viewing for all prospective caravan owners and plenty of current ones too. You have also validated my decision to get a GVM upgrade. Booked in with Peddars tomorrow.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Chris! 👍

@TasmanTravels 13 күн бұрын

This was so good, thanks mate. Switching from a motorhome to a Ranger and caravan like tomorrow. Haha! Cheers

@Wildernessadventuresoz 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for simplifying this complex thing and it is so very important to get it right for sure. In an accident this is a lethal weapon of destruction

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate!

@peterwilkes1915 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam well explained mate, this helped heaps with explaining the concept to my wife. We are looking into our first van (off road) and an upgrade to a decent tow vehicle.

@michaelnugara1 2 жыл бұрын

Mate this is an excellent presentation of all the important information. Well done and thanks heaps. Subbed👍 Cheers Mick

@iantaylor827 Жыл бұрын

This is excellent mate. Thank you

@macaccess1884 2 жыл бұрын

Cam not sure what your day job is but you would make a great teacher. Love the way you used your own real example to build up what to most caravaners is a complex topic and often overlooked or not well understood. So your work here is much appreciated. We are currently setting up a touring rig with a new Prado and have a Pedders GVM pre-rego organised as part of the purchase price with Toyota. The GVM upgrade makes it possible to keep within that all important rear axle load as its usually the first limit to be exceeded when towing. With regard to your boat. There are other options like plastic fold-up boats like the Portabote. We took one around Australia quite a few years ago before I had head of GVMs. It was only 10 ft but only weighed 30kg. Not sure what the weight of the 4hp motor was. It could take my wife and two small children. You can get 12 ft versions of these now and they fold flat like surf boards. Good also to discuss the load capacity of your tyres on the D-Max when doing a GVM upgrade and loading up your vehicle. Is there a rule of thumb for the final load on tyres above the stated tyre rating limit? Thanks again for your excellent work.

@MrJakxon 9 ай бұрын

Excellent, best explanation ive found. Thankyou

@elliottfraher 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video Cam, very well explained

@davidabbott9181 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome info Cam. Really appreciate it.

@swompa 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, Cam and very well explained. So many out there would be overweight. We did the inflatable thing with our last trip. Searano inflatable with an inflatable floor (basically a big SUP board with inflatable tubes either side) comes in at 33kg. It certainly got us out there and we got some fish (mackies, tuna) though it makes you nervous pulling in a fish that is being chased by a shark when your transport is essentially a balloon. We have kept the inflatable, got a tinny and sold the van (Junko Swan). The inflatable got us out there but you need to factor 30 minutes set up and pack down.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate, thats great feedback. I've been watching Rokkit Kit (on KZfaq if you haven't heard of him) island hopping on an inflatable and catching some awesome fish. Love the idea of that, would mean a lighter motor too. But yeah going offshore and croc country would make me pretty nervous haha

@mikenlife7005 2 жыл бұрын

ohh look out!! good stuff guys, that's awesome too hear👏👏👏

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Doug!

@Kristiedelaporte 3 ай бұрын

This explanation was brilliant! Thank you :)

@adamj1299 2 жыл бұрын

This is a very clear explanation thanks cam..I could see some sideline merch with the magnetic vehicles, detachable tow bar and van…..

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks mate!

@MRMOPARMAN0426 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Was very comprehensive, and super easy to understand. This needs to be shared all over the internet. I just wanted to add/reiterate a few things for everyone. The caravan industry is rife with cowboys, and indeed the RV industry in general (boat builders, im looking at you..) Get the weights of whatever your buy in writing, and get it weighed as soon as you pick it up. If its significantly heavier than advertised, dont be afraid to take it back to where you bought it and shove it up their arse. It happens all the time, they leave off stuff like bedding, gas bottles, optional stuff, storage boxes etc off the total weight to make them sound better. So ask the question, what items are excluded from the weight, and how much extra does it all add up to. As mentioned in the vid, the 10% ball weight is a general rule of thumb, any ball weight (within reason) is good weight. Also as mentioned, the towing angles make a massive difference to how the car/van package handles. Also, particularly when buying utes, ask if the tray/tub is included in the weights. For example, utes advertised as 'cab chassis' are delivered with no tun or tray, and weight is listed to reflect that. A tub can be around 80-150ish kg, and trays anywhere from 100-400ish kg. So it pays to have that worked out, as it could be the difference between legal and illegal.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Agree with all of the above! Thank you for the comment 👍

@kristinaobst15 2 жыл бұрын

for a person who really doesn't understand, or pay attention when he hubby speaks, your informational video's are the best, the way you explain things is so easy to understand. On a side note I'm slightly devastated with your last few video's.....my favorite part is your welcome, "G'day guy's Cam Wild, Wild Touring " is missing. I know small things 😌

@trevorking3952 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam, very well explained.

@markbryant643 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Thanks

@waynelloyd9360 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Cam. It’s amazing how many people don’t think about this and mean while they will care when they lost $150k when the insurance won’t payout.

@adda58 Ай бұрын

Great explanation - still very current!

@robertjoausten8743 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for that Cam. We've had our van for 2 years + and never fully understood all this stuff. I've been very conservative so feel confident but your explanation will allow me to confirm all is well. BTW my wife and I have watched all your videos and look forward to each new one.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys! Happy travels!

@louiskudlak2241 2 жыл бұрын

Well delivered video buddy, I’m probably close to the limit or over towing my 2t caravan, definitely check it out, lov the whiteboard with the cutouts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Stannos_Adventures Жыл бұрын

Very well explained. 👍👍👍👍

@grahamwaddell8588 2 жыл бұрын

That is the best way i have had it explained - thank you - really appreciated it - I have been really confused as to wether my Hilux will tow the van I have been looking at. Just need to book the car into Pedders for the GVM upgrade. Safe travels

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, glad it helped!

@ceegee1158 2 ай бұрын

This is so very helpful. Thank you!!😊

@TrentCain 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation mate, nice work. All the best with your car diet 👍

@iandibley8032 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting vid the weight problems aren't going away anytime soon weighing my rig recently guy on the scales told all crashes with vans go to scales SunshineCoast Qld.. I tow with a LC 200 with 2.5 t atm van have gvm upgrade 3650 kg I am 1000 kg under gcm & 200 kg under vehicle gvm the kicker is with a TBW of 270 kg I am close to the rear axle load of 1950 kg limit. Personally with a Ute 2.5 t van would be my limit when you decide on a van weight as well as check the comp plate a few mates are over the stated plate . A rule of thumb multiply the TBW x1.5 gives close rear axle load. Cheers all the best 👌

@michaelmartin2057 Жыл бұрын

You have hit a lot of nails on the head but have you driven any into the heads of people who are obliviously driving around illegal. I was set to travel around OZ last Jan in my new LC300 GR Sport, towing 3.5 ton van, but I'm still here in July waiting for the aftermarket segment to develop suspension and the like to let me do it legally. Your video , I think, just brings to light how many Vanners out there are totally oblivious to the fact that they are illegal on the road. I am not going to be one of them no matter the cost. We are in our 60's and believe it or not, my wife will be interested in what I believe to be one of the most simplistic explanations about towing and legal weights and loads. Keep up the good work.

@cecupauta Жыл бұрын

Great video and well explained. One further thing to keep in mind, with the lack of regulation in the caravan industry, I have found that quite often the tare weight that is stamped on the compliance plate of the caravan (and mentioned in the brochure) is not correct and in some cases does not include batteries, Aircon and in some cases even spare tires. I have seen caravans that were 200Kg over the specified tare when weighed. This would put a lot of rigs over the legal limit if you're coming in close.

@user-ky4rz2sn8v 3 ай бұрын

Hi Cam, was watching a program before yours and the said if you upgrade your car with air bags etc to carry more weight you shouldn’t because people are doing that and cracking there axles. The reason they say is whatever you go to above your axle weight limit when you use axle upgrades it’s still illegal because you are still over the safest factory limit. They gave 4 instances where the axles have broken in half. I hope this makes sense mate as it’s what they say not me. Thanks mate Jon🇦🇺 Take Care

@richardboff6636 2 жыл бұрын

Well put together cam Will have to watch it a few times safety first when towing

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard. Yeah it's something I had to read, reread and then practice a few examples on paper before it sunk in!

@tonygersbach375 2 жыл бұрын

Well done mate, I think all towers over 750kg should have to do a mandatory course on this stuff. I bought a set of digital scales I can drive on to give a rough idea if my weights. I can’t plead ignorance on this because of my occupation (if you know what I mean ) 😉👍

@jamiemckennon1944 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best videos I've watched. I actually do agree with not towing more weight than what the car weighs, if you've experienced a moment of defensive driving whilst doing so, you'll know exactly why. It comes down to training, and 99% of people on the roads haven't had it. One other thing to note that a lot of people don't account for is long term weight additions. Kids grow! And guess what, the things they take get bigger too. Bikes, clothes etc all get bigger and heavier as the kids grow, so if you're keeping the car long term you need to account for that

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jamie, all good points mate!

@timhumphries4355 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Cam, well explained, heaps of good info. Thankyou

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Tim 👍

@deanneschlobohm7175 5 ай бұрын

Thanks! Awesome clear info! Very helpful.

@WildTouring 5 ай бұрын

🙏 oh wow thanks Deanne!!!

@Owenhobie 2 жыл бұрын

Good video Cam you will have limitations on the type of caravan you get , the old cormal van which we have are ATM of 1550 gross weight 1995 kg twin axle 17 foot van semi off road , gross weight upgrades can be done .

@dalecaddaye5555 2 жыл бұрын

Being a caravan owner who is very aware of the weight issues involved with towing, this is possibly the best explanation on the subject that I've seen. As a 40 year career truck driver who has had to deal with issues such as axle weights, GVM etc. on a daily basis, I struggle with how many caravan owners must be running overloaded. It is a complicated subject but as you say, for the safety of everyone you have to get it right. It's only a matter of time before the authorities realise there is easy money to be made by directing caravans into weighbridges like they do with heavy vehicles. Well done.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers for the comment Dale. I think you're right mate, with more car manufacturers fudging the numbers, caravans being built bigger and heavier than ever before and so many people getting into into RVs- I think we will see the authorities clamping down on overweight rigs. It could be a pretty expensive mistake to make!

@desireefairbairn2761 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. best explanation I have ever seen

@peterlevy7679 Жыл бұрын

Great Explanation

@WACampingAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I did not know that i had been camping with good will hunting all this time…genius cam dead set. I needed this explanation ill be honest thanks buddy

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Pete!

@robertandres194 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Great explanation.

@davidhowell5945 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic explanation, so clear and easily understood, thank you. I’ve only just subscribed and have really enjoyed the ones I’ve watched. I agree, rear axle weight limits are one to watch. There is a formula one can use and I did the calculation for my Discovery 4 and here is the formula and the calculation for my car. To calculate the actual ball weight affect on the rear axle; multiply the ball weight by the (vehicle wheelbase plus the rear overhang) and then divide the answer by the wheelbase. e.g. Disco:- w/b 2900mm overhang 1320mm Total 4220mm Camper towball weight 240kg 240 x 4.220 = 1013 1013 / 2.900 = 350kg on the rear axle. Perhaps your 60kg estimate is a bit under, but each car will be different. Thanks again for a great explanation.

@colinrussell2257 2 жыл бұрын

Good video and good explanation. However (and I know this is a controversial subject and not everyone agrees) my concern is with using the term actual ATM for the van (i.e. the loaded weight of the van which is less than the plated ATM) and using this actual ATM weight to calculate your TBM and GVM. Using this actual ATM weight to say you are legal is fine. Now comes the accident and your van and belonging are spread all over the road, does the insurance company come along and picks everything up and weighs it all to confirm your stated actual weight or do they in their calculation just use the plated ATM of the van and ten percent as the TBM to calculate their version of the GVM. Just saying, it could be an interesting court case if the plated ATM of the van plus 10 percent as the TBW exceeded the vehicle GVM.

@trevtreloar1449 2 жыл бұрын

Being in the transport industry weight is something that we're very conscious about, and I'm always concerned about the lack of knowledge out there. There seems to be a common comment that the sales man told me I'd be fine. Trust me the mermaids really don't care what you were told, you!! were the one driving. Also totally cracked up when you unhooked your little van and put the jockey wheel back. Very informative video 👍👍

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Trev. Its a scary thing because car and caravan salesmen often don't have a sound understanding of the legalities either, and they're sometimes misinforming customers on something with serious safety and legal implications!

@rx3rotorace 2 жыл бұрын

Great info with video thanks 😊

@grahamniemann3216 2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully done ✔ 👏

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot 😊

@troywatts1360 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid mate heaps of handy info

@robkeith1776 2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations. Very well explained. There are so many grey nomads who evidently have no clue about their allowable weights and are a danger to themselves and all other road users.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Rob 👍🏼

@ricbarker4829 2 жыл бұрын

My 4WD is 6000kg with a GVM of 1200kg. It is also rated to tow 12000KG so a GCM of 24000kg. Gotta love the Unimog.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Nice, they're certainly good at hauling weight.

@AH-wn6dw 2 жыл бұрын

Love the explanation

@dawayneduffy3509 2 жыл бұрын

Well said mate . I got a poly boot that cuts the guts out of weight .

@trublsum01 6 ай бұрын

Just watched your video. Very well done. Best explanation I've seen so far. You did forget one thing regarding the tinnie. Regardless of GVM upgrades, payloads etc., the roof load limit remains the same. No upgrade will change that. I think like most 4wds, the limit is 100kgs with a few exceptions, which means you can't load much on top. It's a centre of balance thing. Once you include the rack, awning and tinnie, you're well over your roof load limit and insurance may not cover you in the event of an accident

@harrybergeest6790 2 жыл бұрын

Best explanation yet and a great help.

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Harry!

@harrybergeest6790 2 жыл бұрын

@@WildTouring Actually my wife watched it with me and she said, her words " I didn't even understand half the shit and I liked it" I tried to explain it to her but no go.lol

@fitzlanders 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic explanation, thanks

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

No worries mate 👍🏼

@ab7406 2 жыл бұрын

Good to see you are saying look at tare to suit needs. Payloads availability. Most tinnes on roof are overloading gvm or roof load limits. Unless dual cabs manufacturers put gvm plus tow atm to give a true gcm, one day maybe Well done vid

@WildTouring 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!