Thanks! Will do!

Right on

Awesome

Happy hunting

Awesome, thanks

Hardly measurable “ losses “ .

Let me know how they do for you.

@hopefulballistics I'm loving that you guys are working together..I'm subed to all of you 3 guys it's wonderful to see the 270wsm taking wind 😁😁😁😁

@@realmetis8002 thanks for watching!

They would be sweet in the 270 weatherby

@@jesshadlock2139 very interesting

Just the plain old/new 270 win is all you need!

That has been my basic conclusion, after ditching the Magnums and comming back to the Good Old 30-06 and 270 Winchester! 😃

Velocity should decrease much faster than the rpms. So stability should not be an issue down range. Thanks for watching.

That would be sweet

Sweet!

Really?

🤕🚑 Yes, Your Changing Lives, One 270 At A Time! 😂 What This Is Going To Do Is Not Only Grow Your Channel, But When I Reference The Work Of You And Reloading Weatherby - On Podcasts Like Vortex and Horneday - It Is Going To Force The Manufacturers To Make More High B.C. and High Heavier Weight Bullets In The 270 Caliber, Due To Demand! 😯 "A WIN, WIN!" 😃 Word Travels Fast and This Is Starting To Cause "Quite a Conversation" Among Shooters and Hunters! 🤗

👍 Keep Up the Good Work and I Will Keep "Spreading the Message"! 🗣

🛑 Yes, Your Doing Something On U-Tube That Has Never Been Done Before and Your Work May Actually "Revive" THIS WONDERFUL CARTRIDGE That Most People "Overlooked", Only Because They Thought It Couldn't Shoot Anything Above 150 grains in Bullet Weight! 😱 The 165 grain bullets (for example) being pushed at close to 3,000 ft/s is a "Formidable Load"! I dare say that you could do close to the same thing with the 180 grain bullet as well (which is 1/10" shorter than that 165 grain Nosler ABLR, so you can pack in more powder)! 🔥

👍 Yes, You could become the "Jack O'Conner" of the 270 wsm and save this fine cartridge! 😃

Very interesting

@@hopefulballistics Hornady covered twist rates in a very recent broadcast. They mention the fact that accuracy problems from bullet imperfections get worse with faster twist rate, which is why benchrest shooters tend to runs slow twist rates. The more pertinent part is that a bullet spun very close to its stability limit may produce good accuracy but wobble enough to increase drag. That is what is sometimes seen with long ogived, heavy for caliber bullets. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJp3gtuFxp-4dHk.html

@@jfess1911 I saw that, it was very interesting.

Thanks Ron!

It would be brand specific. I’m not sure about Tikka.

Just got some brass in from Raven Rock Precision the other day. He had a good bit of it when I ordered it but not for sure now.

@@Struttinhoyt88 their sold out!!!

Reloading Weatherby has videos on KZfaq of shooting 165 ablr and 170 Berger EOL out of a 270 Winchester, with no issues.

I’ve shot the 165s a few more times. Great load, 2950 fps. Shot 170gr ballistic tips, no stability issues. Shot 175 tipped gamekings, very unstable, flew all over the place.

Yeah I don’t get the velocity I want with it. But it’s a good powder for the reasons you mentioned.

@@hopefulballistics All part of the fun, and the learning process. I have a long road to walk, since I have yet to buy a single piece of reloading gear, but I like the Lyman ultimate kit. It will be a blast to try all kinds of different combinations and see what I can craft.

Magpro, Winchester brass. It’s been awhile I don’t remember the first charge.

MagPro. I used 65 and 66 grains. I think I have a lot of room.

True, but the point is this is a factory 1 in 10 twist.

@@hopefulballistics that 165 should also work good in 270 wby mag than.

I’m not a big magnum guy. I respect them, but don’t have a real application for them.

Heard of a 7mmprcw??

@@hopefulballistics 7prc…. Muzzle brake. Go to town. I can see my hits at 300 yards

Btw 9 lb gun

🤭 As I Like to Say, "No Magnum Necessary" (NMN)! 😜 Just Pick a Good Bullet That Your Gun Likes and You'll Be "Good to Go"! 🚘

One subscriber of mine lives on the coast of Alaska. He can’t stabilize the bullet out of his 270 WSM.

Maybe, I’m definitely curious

I have found some in a few places. I believe there is some on MidwayUSA right now.

@@hopefulballistics sweet!

Cool. Yeah it’s 100% confirmed. Makes me question some things.

Like...? 😂

@@ronlowney4700 will the 270 wsm stabilize something like the 170 Berger eol? Etc.

@@ronlowney4700 like I have now shot bullets in my 7 rem mag and my 270 that supposedly I need more twist…. Bit they shot. 175 Eldx’s in the rem mag. Is someone trying to sell more guns or more bullets???

Yes, I have heard that it will, regarding the 170 grain Burger bullet!

Thank you!

Thank you

It’s not going to smoke the 6.8 Western. The 6.8 is using the same casing as the WSM. They shortened it slightly, and it’s using a steep shoulder angle to help with clearing the long BC projectiles of a 170-175 grain .277. We are talking about 100’/sec, at the very most. That’s not going to “smoke” the Western. Not even close. The biggest difference is, the 7.5 or 8 twist rate barrels of the Western. It’s guaranteed to stabilize those heavy for caliber bullets even at long distances. In the video, the target is at close range, where there’s still plenty of speed, so that 10 twist rate barrel is keeping it stable. But what happens 200 yards down field and your velocity really starts to drop? My guess is that you’ll start seeing it wobble, which will only hurt its down range velocity even more. There’s a reason why the engineers made the twist rate a minimum of 8 for the barrel on the Western. It’s designed to stabilize those long and heavy bullets at long range, even when the velocity drops below 1000’/sec.

@@jimedick9496 yeah mate but you can have a gunsmith put a fast twist barrel on your wsm and long throat it and it will beat the 6.8 easy... Larger case capacity wins everytime

@@bradleytyrrell4417 Yes, that does work. You’re still looking at minimal gains. There’s a little more capacity, but it’s not that much. Not enough to “smoke” the 6.8 Western, but it will send that pill out the barrel a little faster. Either way, you’re still modifying your 270WSM into a 6.8 Western. That’s all a Western is, a modified 270 WSM.

@@jimedick9496 long throated wsm have been around and done long before the western

I was wondering that too.

@@hopefulballistics In addition to more case fill, the holes are slightly torn with partial carbon rings. It is my experience that more powder tighten those groups up. I must give credit to Erik Cortina's interview series for the information; but I have found it to be true with Grendel, 7 PRC, and 308 so far. I don't know how to split the difference between case fill and stability though...

@@diggernash1 I appreciate the help

Watch Frontline Rejects and Reloading Weatherby’s videos on this 165 ablr in 270s. They’ve done that. By the way, as a bullet slows down it becomes more stable. It’s more likely to keyhole at 100 than 500.

I have to agree. I still like 6.8 Western, but its usefulness is waning.

I think most 6.8 western guns will shoot better on average than WSM guns

@@danielboggan2479 Why? I will give you some reasons as to why that is wishful thinking in return.

@@titahibayflier3160 after about 2007 gun and ammunition manufacturers started to realize how important the throat was. Hornady discovered it in the 90’s with 17 HMR, but it took everyone else until the 30TC and 6.5 creed came out to understand

What is your elevation?

@@hopefulballistics Where I'll be shooting to test (and possibly hunt) is a bit over 1000 feet ASL. I don't expect to have the $ to buy the reloading gear this year, so I'm going to try out the Nosler Trophy Grade AB 270WSM rounds this year - I might buy three or four boxes, which will give me 80 brass when I'm done with those - and I have another 7.5 boxes of brass that I saved from my Federal Premium Nosler BT, for a total of 230 brass. I can then buy a box of 100 of the 140gr AB, and another 100 of the 165gr ABLR. Things are so much more expensive here these days... A box of Nosler Trophy Grade 140gr 270WSM AB at Cabela's is $150, plus taxes... I found a place that sells for less, but shipping is expensive... Anyway, short of winning a lottery, I won't be doing the reload testing with 165 grain ABLR, but it does look very promising. I'll have to remember to mark the bottom of the case with the bullet type, whether or not it is LR, since they both have the same tip. The Barnes LRX are also interesting, but they aren't even available here. But I have to come back to these 165 gr ABLR - I guess they made them because some newer 270 rifles will have 1/8 ? That's still promising for me, since their site says it requires 1/9 and I have 1/9.5 ..... I'm curious as to whether or not you've done any long range testing with these 165gr, or are you not going to bother until you can make something that gives you a higher velocity round?

@@BitsOfEternity I haven’t went long range, but I know those that have with great success.

@@hopefulballistics I don't recall whether you mentioned the barrel length or the twist in your barrel? You mentioned 1-10" twist, so I assume that's what your rifle has/had, but the length was ? I'm just thinking if that's a 22", and mine's a 24 3/4" , I can expect about another ~85 fps at the muzzle if I was to use the same charge

@@BitsOfEternity 24

Nothing wrong with that

Right on!

I’ve never shot Woodleigh bullets. I’ve heard good things. I hate to hear that about the factory.

😎 They are Very Similar to Swift A-Frame's, Except Better B.C.'s! They are one of the Preferred Bonded Bullets in Africa, on the World's Toughest Game! 🐃

Well good news from Australia Woodleigh factory is up and running and yes they make great bullets and have shot 180 gainers in 270 wsm and they shoot ok

@@davidpearn4344 thanks

AWSOME! NOW, I JUST NEED TO FIND SOME! 👍😃

Winchester XPR

I’m hoping so

Thanks!

Right, both have a 1-10 twist rate.

Winchester XPR

I have xpr I love it especially for the price they also give you generous room in the magazine to seat the bullets out farther at least in the short mags versions I have noticed one thing I've played with seating depth and bullet speed and it hasn't changed my group much it shoots 3/4 in at 100 yd with Barnes bullets so I just left it at published overall length and shoot them as fast as I can safely

@@carlpreston1680 awesome, thanks

That’s a good rule

I don’t think it works like that. Once it stabilizes, it’s stable until the end. With some extreme exceptions.

I’m excited to watch it when I get home

It was their best podcast yet! 🤯

@@ronlowney4700 nice!

I am going to be taking a deeper dive into this and the Quickloads Software too, because I want to design my own line of cartridges! 😃

Thanks, lol

More like your lil sissy arms and shoulder cant handle it

Haha we both know that if I actually loaded up a 150 gr bullet in my 300 Weatherby it wouldn't be going 3362 FPS. I'm getting that with a 180 gr bullet Ron! I could easily get over 3550 FPS and wouldn't be surprised to see it go over 3600 FPS. Also what happened to you throwing a fit when I compared a 130 gr bullet in 30-06 vs a 270 Win 130 gr. Now you're doing it for the 270 WSM. How about we do the math with a 190 gr ABLR in the 300 WBY? I'll even put it at a modest velocity for my 300 WBY... 3200 FPS. At 600 yards they have the exact same drop, but the 300 WBY has 500 more ft.lbs of energy.

💁‍♂️ I am not disagreeing that as you go up in bullet weights that the 300 Weatherby Magnum will push them faster - But, At What Cost in Addition Recoil and Powder? I'll take 23 ft lbs of Recoil and a Few More Inches of Drop Than Close to 40 ft lbs of Recoil Out of the 300 Weatherby and Those Heavier Bullets! "FOR EVERY ACTION, THEIR IS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION!" SINCE THEIR ARE "NO FREE LUNCHES", IF THE 270 CALIBER CAN KILL THEM AT THE RANGES EITHER YOU OR I ARE SHOOTING AT, THEN YOU CAN "ENJOY ALL THAT EXTRA RECOIL"! 🤕 NO THANKS, I WILL HAPPILY PASS! 🤭 It is like having a car that goes 200 mph, when the speed limit is 65 mph - It just Isn't "Very Practical", Especially For North American Big Game in the Lower 48 States! 🤷‍♂️

🕵️‍♂️ Oh, and I got those numbers out of the Reloading Manual (Not that they are hard and fast numbers), but I didn't just make them up! I used "documented and verifiable information", to make the comparison! 👨‍🏫 I was being totally subjective and honest! 😇

👼 Austin, "On My Fathers Grave" (🤚), I Can Promise You That If You Are Limiting Your Shots to 400 Yards (As You Say - Or Even 500 Yards, With The Right Load) Then Their Is Absolutely No Horned/Antlered Species Of Animal In North America That You Can't Kill With Either The 30-06 Springfield or 270 Winchester! The Reason Why I Prefer The 270 Winchester is "Less Recoil" (Yet Again)! If You Want All The Extra Recoil Of That Magnum Though, Then Knock Yourself Out! 🤕 Besides, Didn't I Hear You Say (On Video) That The 270 Winchester Was A "TACK DRIVER" At 775 Yards (Damn Near 1/2 Mile)? 🤭 What Else Do You Really Need Austin??? 😂 Be Honest With Yourself Austin! 🤥