This is what a great portion of Christians believe: let's take a man who would live in Israel in apostles time, he would be a basic Jew who had let's say a similar belief system that Ben Shapiro has, who would hear the Gospel like Ben Shapiro did but just like Shapiro would not believe it. This person would have a wife and children an would work hard to provide for his family but at 30 years old he would end up in an accident and die and naturally, because he did not believe the Gospel, he would end up in Hades. In Hades, which is the kingdom of Satan, he would begin to receive an unfathomable torture by demons and this torture would be 24/7 nonstop all the way until the Judgment Day which would happen 3000 years later. Then, just like Revelation 20:13-14 says, he would be released from Hades, from that miserable constant torture to feel peace again but he would be released only to be judged by God now to be sent back into another torture but now into the lake of fire and for eternity. People, with all seriousness, don't you see that something is horribly twisted in this way or reasoning? That a person who only lived for 30 years, never torturing anybody for one second, who would live working hard and provide for his family, would first die and end up to be tortured by demons for 3000 years nonstop and then finally released from that torture but only to receive a judgment of more torture and now for eternity? Don't you see that this is an utter debauchery of any type of justice, goodness and righteousness?

Just want someone else's take on this... Hell is real, God created the place, but the environment of Hell creates itself. Imagine an eternal earth if you removed the fruits of the Spirit. Love, joy, peace, showing patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Then to add to the ugly, just remove God from it.

Also, two other things... let us not overlook the heart of the person asking, "How can a loving God torture people in hell forever and still claim to be good?" Also, so many people think Satan is in control of Hell when that could not be further from the truth.

@@f.k.b.16 But it is written in the Bible dozens of times from the OT to the NT that in the end God will release His flaming wrath upon the sinners. Like this verse: "And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?” Rev 6:16

@@f.k.b.16 Satan is the ruler of Hades, that is his kingdom. This is why it is written in the Revelation that Hades will give up its dead and will be thrown into the lake of fire. Just ask yourself what things will be thrown into the lake of fire? Answer: Evil things. And Hades will be thrown there which means it is an evil place. Also, read Rev 9 where the underworld or the abyss was opened and all these weird looking evil demons came out with their king demon the Abaddon or Destroyer.

It's eternally wiped from existence, everlasting destruction, never to be seen or heard of again, while those who know God will leave for billions and billions of years without seeing death.

​@@tuoyoedukugho1807So what happens to the fire? Jesus said the fire does not quench. The bible said they have no rest day not night. Bro, let strive to be in God's Kingdom.

@@emmanuelimumolen8660 when the time is right, everyone will understand, in Revelation it says, death and hell would be thrown into the fire as well. It is a symbol of eternal distruction, as fire destroys a thing forever so would this eternal fire destroy thoes that are not found written in the book of life, as well as Satan, his Angels then finally death and hell (grave) because all who would be alive would never die and would not sin because they love God (Jehovah)

@@tuoyoedukugho1807 let's get the concept of annihilation out of our heads and strive to know God more in our lives. If torment in hell or the lake of fire isn't forever I don't think Jesus would come to pay such a huge price.

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Amen

True dat

And then what?

​​@@alohaohana901you go to heaven and not hell. Were you sleeping through that part?

@@kimmytuna5180 ok 🤣🤣😂😂

I didn’t grow up Christian for half of my life. There is a huge difference in my Christian version of self vs my not Christian version of self. I still have my struggles and doubts like anyone else, but I can say the separation from God is far worse than you can imagine, and that’s just experience comparisons of nonChristian vs Christian life now.

If we read the Bible, there are only two options. Being given the gift of everlasting life. Or losing out on it. No one can get the gift of everlasting life along with torture. This scripture would help understand this. (John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be DESTROYED but have EVERLASTING LIFE.

​@@jimjuri6490The idea that the wicked cease to exist (annihilationism) immediately or after an undefined period instead of being eternally punished is unbiblical. That gehenna is a place of eternal torment is plain enough from Matthew 25:46 and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 and Hebrews 6:2. The Beast's followers get special mention (Revelation 14:9-11), as does anyone following Satan at the end of the millennium (Revelation 20:7-10). Note: • The 'eternal destruction' of 2 Thessalonians 1:9 is an ongoing process, not simply an instantaneous event. The word ὄλεθρος (olethros), translated 'destruction' there, does not imply extinction, non-existence or annihilation (cf. the 3 other occurrences in the Greek text of the NT: 1 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:3; 1 Timothy 6:9). • In Hebrews 6:2, κρίμα (krima) emphasizes the result, not the process. • The fact that 'Gehenna' is used in two senses does not make its use in Revelation metaphorical. On the contrary, the Valley of Hinnom has become the metaphor. Anyone who understands how metaphors work would know that.

Final punishment as being sent to a place of separation from God is not the biblical or traditional view. Instead it is referred to repeatedly as God’s wrath being poured out.

@@Berean_with_a_BTh : It is best to read what the Bible states. When God decreed death as a penalty for Adam's sin, this is what he said. (Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” No one can RETURN to a place or state that he has never been. The only state that Adam could return to is of nonexistence. The state he was in prior to his creation. Romans 6:7,23 clearly state that we die because of sin. Thus, having paid the penalty for sin, we are cleared of it at death. If there is any torturing to be done after a person dies(illogical, but for argument sake), it would be to a sinless person. Because everyone who dies has been cleared of his sins, BOTH the righteous and the unrighteous get resurrected under Jesus' Kingdom rule (Acts 24:15). These resurrections give humans a new opportunity to qualify for: (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. Surely people have come across the term 'Everlasting Life'. John 3:16. The only opposite is 'Everlasting DEATH'.

So you get TORTURED FOREVER.

"Sins" are just arbitrary rules made up by god. They are sometimes tied to morality, but not always. Sins are subject to change. Some sins used to require the death sentence (like working on the Sabbath) but now they're fine. God changed his mind. He's the one responsible for his own heart getting broken, considering he designed us incapable of following all his petty rules.

@@flyingspaghettiauditor If you saw innocent people being murdered would your heart break?

@@yuiopoli9601 Yes. That's why I'm more moral than your god. Your god is the one killing innocents. Exodus 11:5

@@flyingspaghettiauditor Who is my GOD?

Amen.

100%

I have always thought of it as an actual physical place.

well allen is a reformed calvinist, so according to his theology you have no choice of where u go anyways. so all the warnings in the world do no good. according to his beliefs, God has already predestined who will go to heaven and hell

Hell is literal and so is Heaven.

Especially when Jesus was rejected by his own people!

@@travisboman7531 Yes, but he is not a sadistic God, he is a God of love !

This is exactly what it’s been in my mind since two weeks ago.

How do you “hurt” an omnipotent being? An omniscient God would have seen all this coming and still decided to create, so it’s all Gods will.

Amen!🙏

That is true. Doesn’t mean it lasts forever

​@dave1205 it does my friend scripture says so

@@dannyboi472 14 verses say hell is eternal, at least, & there’s probably more including some old testament verses! These 14 verses; have to harmonize with the rest of the Bible to have accurate exegesis ! If Jesus and the Holy Spirit say hell is eternal, then don’t go against what they say ! Study this young man, because you don’t wanna get caught uttering idle words, because they will be judged Matthew 12:36 !

​@@dannyboi472Hell is eternal, don't believe the lie of the doctrine of 'Annihilation'

@@dannyboi472, you need to read the KJV Bible, because Jesus Christ says it’s eternal torment, and He does not Iie. You have been deceived, because OT and NT scriptures portray the pit of fire as being ETERNAL.

Music to my ears freind.

Christian here: Jesus paid it all for those who choose and love HIM to the end. Amen!

What is the scripture that says Jesus paid the price?

@MrNikkiNoo Hebrews 10:10 ESV And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Where does it say in the Catholic Catechism that Jesus is “re-crucified?”

Amén proverbs 3:5

That doesn't mean "sear your conscience and follow some person on the internet"

Yet we don't trust him, when he says he will reconcile all things to himself.

The speaker is also leaning on his own understanding. Why should anyone take his word for it over any other?

Facts the bible says its forever and ever idk why people can't comprehend that

Yeah because GOD has obviously been clarifying for man.

facts

I could as well ask a rotten apple.

@@Yahshuaismyeverything in isaiah 34:11 it says : "Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into burning sulfur; her land will become blazing pitch! 10 It will not be quenched night or day; its smoke will rise FOREVER. From generation to generation it will lie desolate; no one will ever pass through it again." Edom has never been rebuilt, and was destroyed forever. Yet, it's not burning today. Biblical imagery and metaphorical description don't always convey what you understand litteraly. Revelation 14:11 , John borrows apocalyptic metaphorical language from Isaiah 34:11 btw

“He will not keep His anger forever.”

That’s contradictory to sending someone to hell forever though isn’t it? I mean, everyone can change their ways. So why doesn’t god forgive people who are in hell? If his mercy endures forever, then why not help and save those who want to be saved?

Yea unless you reject Jesus then you're doomed forever

With TORTURE! Because He Loves us!

Christian Universalism

Are you afraid of other religions version of hell? It’s all the same man made mythology.

Are you afraid of islams hell? It’s way more descriptive and horrible than christianity’s hell. Are you afraid of the buddhist hell? Are you afraid of the greek hell?

@@user-vt3vo1yd3v You don't seem to be afraid of ANY hell! You unscientifically and foolishly try to confirm that belief by using the fact that other religions speek of hell as proof that the hell in the bible is not real! A grave error and a HUGE gamble! If the original commentor is wrong, they have lost nothing! If you are wrong, you will lose everything! Food for thought. Stop hanging on to your sin and turn to Christ.

No ever burning hell. Hell: the grave. Not a place of ever burning, fiery torment.

@@maxamahnken7325exactly the wicked will be ashes once they’ve been judged

I never got what the big controversy was to be honest. we have plenty of people serving a life sentence for killing multiple people, but the act only took them a few minutes.

Absolutely well said !! It’s refreshing to here. Hell has become a weird topic in so many modern churches. It’s right there in the Bible. People are fine with the love of God, but as soon as you start talking about judgement, Hell etc… people go quiet, and eyes go wide like you just called their grandmother an awful name…

Exactly

@@captainmartin1219 Right! I think the idea of *eternity* and potentially an eternity of active *torment* is hard for us (understandably) because even a lifetime in prison is not *that bad* of a punishment in comparison. But the *concept* is absolutely the same; the punishment fits the level of sin, so that should tell us how serious our sin is.

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The truth is there are 2 gospels, 1 to israel and 1 to the nations through paul. The etymology of Paul's name comes from the greek word "pauo" (strong's greek 3973) which means "pause" God paused his work he was doing with Israel from acts to hebrews to work through Paul to bring the gospel to the nations. Paul's gospel tells us that Christ saved all humanity (not just believers) through His sacrifice on the cross yet each in his own class (1 Corinthians 15 23-24 CLNT) starting with Christ the firstfruit, those Christ's in his presence; thereafter the consummation (completion of God becoming all in all). As in adam all are dying, as in Christ all will be made alive. There is judgment, only death is unconsciousness and only age long or an eon. We who believe are given justification through faith and recieve "eonion life." The greek word aionion (the plural form of aion "age" or "eon" so correct translation would be "eons") was mistranslated in almost all of our English versions to eternal, everlasting, world, and forever and ever (if it's already forever why would they have to add the and ever? Correct translation is "eons of the eons" when the body of Christ get there glory and Israel get there promise on earth) 1 Corinthians 15:21-28 Concordant Literal New Testament 21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead. 22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. 23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. 25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. 27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. 28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)

@@unveilingscripturaltruths9291 Tough cookies to the average Joe who doesn't understand Greek or been though seminary. Nothing wrong with education but I believe that GOD made it simple for the rest of us. This 2 gospel idea would be a disaster to the African or Mexican or Hillbilly from West Virginia who just wants to be right with GOD. My simple solution is; keep the 10 commandments, obey your conscience, and most importantly to spend quiet time everyday to hear from THE FATHER. Jesus said Keep MY commandments and you will live. Now, if you want to be perfect(whole), then deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow ME

The gospel says all we do to be saved is believe God n that was Christ died on the cross in place of us was buried n rose again on the third day, THATS IT. we aren't saved by our works we are saved by grace through faith

@@RickyBob-lf2uu I suppose you think the devil is saved too, because he believes in Jesus and trembles at the thought of HIM. Remember, faith without works is dead.

@@petegallegos827 Salvation doesn't apply to angels or demons... Jesus came to save humanity n yeah the devil knows exactly who Christ is

Read St. Faustina description of hell

amen - John 316

Exactly the punishment is eternal meaning it never changes there is no more chance no more resurrections you are dead forever the second death means eternal death

@@patriciaramirez4257 death means separation....not a ceasing to exist...

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@@philipbuckley759 Re: Eternal life v. Eternal punishment. Psalm 59:12 Because of the sinful things they say, because of the evil that is on their lips, let them be captured by their pride, their curses, and their lies. 13 Destroy them in your anger! Wipe them out completely! Palm 59:13 consume them in your wrath, consume them till they are no more. NIV Hebrews 10:26 26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27 There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. NLT 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Destroy them, wipe them out completely, consume them, & devour them means be alive & tortured for eternity, when we no how 2 turr-purr-N-tape write means be alive & tortured for eternity!! THING-alley-lulu-yuh!

Vary good human

Amen. Brother Amen

You can't just call on Jesus name. We have to call on the name Lord Jesus or Jesus Christ. There is more than 1 Jesus in the Bible. We have to call the right name. ❤️🙏🏾 Colossians 3:17 KJV

@@Key-jz7zf I think the correct Jesus KNOWS when we pray to Him. It doesn’t have to be complicated.

The Lord Jesus Christ saved us from our sins and God's eternal wrath, so I personally think it's good to think about it from time to time, so that we really appreciate what Christ did for us.

I love thinking about it.@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783

We should be diligent to understand the word of God to be ready to give an answer to all who would ask and to represent our God correctly, as He has revealed Himself.

@@antoniettegonzales Amen.

But when we as Christians tell people if you just don’t believe in God, because you weren’t convinced, and then you weren’t also convinced and believe that Jesus is God, and he is the way to heaven your punishment is being submerged in burning fire for all of eternity, and it never ever is one second closer to ending after billions of years. We are teaching people something that so clearly not biblical and so absolutely evil. You should care because that’s going to turn people away from Jesus. I keep reading comments saying logic doesn’t get you to heaven, and actually advocating for not using logic. Well, the Bible is good and truth and it is logical and it’s very often clear, but when we destroy the truth and God’s character in create him to be something really evil, and then defend it, that’s going to turn people away from Jesus. So you should care for more reasons than you aren’t going there. Because if you tell people miss information about hell, they might go there. Because we are lying or deceiving or misleading or confusing people who don’t know Jesus and we are telling them terrible things about Jesus and then saying, but he’s also good while we completely contradict that.

Same, I'm also a firm believer in the "traditional" view

I am a firm believer in not teaching little the lie that "Adam, Eve ate an apple" that is a lie. Lying to little children I wonder how the Lord, Jesus Christ will judge that?

Let's "play church" and teach little young souls that Adam and Eve ate an apple. G-d will not be angry. Don't worry about it!

If the traditional view were correct, we would have been saved from a monster by a monster!

​@@michaelbrutsche75God is not a monster, please repent and seek God on this matter...

It’s still a toss up for me. Perishable seed seems like it has a definite end & a definite end can be considered eternally dead. I used to think the physical body & the soul would be destroyed (ceasing to exist for eternity) but the corrupt spirit would still exist for eternity. But then I saw that it is referred to as “perishable seed” so that also seems to indicate the fallen spirit will cease as well. The torment in my opinion would be to have all these evil passions & desires of the flesh but no physical body to satisfy them with. Imagine a sex addict losing their body just for 1 month. They’d prob go insane. But how can you even express your insanity without a soul as well? Torment on top of torment. But like I said, if the fallen spirit is considered “perishable seed” that makes this theory difficult to rationalize as well.

It’s not the most logical. It’s completely illogical and a very immoral believe Christians teach.. I know you don’t praise God for making a burning hell is your punishment for not believing in him, and then praise him when he gives you an option out of that lol that is so stupid when Christian say things like this. Christians need to quit being stupid and I know that’s harsh but that’s a stupid thing for you to say and think. It just is. I’m not saying, I should just let everyone into heaven not forgive them for their sins. But he chooses what happens to them lol stop praising him for not allowing you to be tortured because he gave you an option out. That’s like an abusive husband saying I won’t beat my wife if she doesn’t burn dinner and her being so grateful there’s an option to not be beaten. That’s insane. Just because you know God’s perfect and all loving that doesn’t mean anything. Ridiculous you believe about him that is evil is automatically good.

He’s already read four verses, and he hasn’t even said one that can nearly be interpreted as people are tormented in hell, except for the one in revelation, which is only for people who take the mark of the beast and it’s not even talking about hell because it’s in the presence of God and the holy Angels… it’s also a part of revelation in a very poetic sounding portion. In revelation, it says Satan, the false prophet, and the beast or Tormenta day and night, forever and ever and anyone else’s name who is not found in the book of life is also cast into the lake of fire. But this is the second death for them. John 316 says Perish or have eternal life. Matthew 1028 says destroys your body and soul in hell. There’s literally nothing in the Bible that ever says your tormented. You just have this assumption that your soul is already immortal and it’s not. The Bible says you were consume like straw in a fire. There are some metaphors that aren’t even really talking about hell that says there’s weeping and gnashing of teeth in prison, which wouldn’t even mean you’re being eternally, tormented in hell. But that’s the most generous interpretation if you’re taking every aspect of parables literal, but then you also have to say, God only answers your prayers, because you pester them because that’s why I Judge answers the request of a woman in the parable. You don’t get to cherry pick what parts of parables you want to apply. They have an overall function. When we tell people that hell is a burning eternal place, which is so far from a loving God and these people see it and don’t want anything to do with God because they’re being just one percent, rational, and not indoctrinated, then we are responsible for turning people away from Jesus, and for them, being separated from God forever, because we are teaching them God is beyond evil. We are teaching them. God is more evil than any being ever created in fiction or reality.

There is not a single scripture to support eternal conscious torment

Agreed

Amen. May God help us stay focused on him and his word daily, especially in this twisted world we live in.

Amén ❤❤❤❤

Asking for forgiveness from sins committed and REPENTANCE are two different things.

Your acceptance of deceit is off the charts

Yes you either love me or I will torture you for ever and ever with no goal in sight…..

What love?

It is not love to torture people for forever and ever. To this is Sadistic.

That is Sadistic.

Oh my goodness please pray for me and BE RESTORED THIS IS UTTER blasphemous and NASTY what I did. I miss my GOD. 😊

That's def not about christians and god

@@-Ice_Cold- Have you even read the Bible? Truth, love and forgiveness is the cornerstone of the Gospel, Jesus freeing us from our sins.

@@Deffine Yeah, torturing people in the burning cauldron forever - ''love'' It’s enough to look at believers and say what hypocrites they are

@@-Ice_Cold- That's not Biblical. Its called the second death for a reason. You stop existing.

The wicked will not get another body in the second resurrection, it will be the same corrupted body they went down to the grave with. Only the righteous dead will receive a new body which is prepared incorruptible

That doesn’t make any sense and it accuses God of being a cruel blood-thirsty tyrant. The scriptures do not convey those that God viewed as bad unrepentant sinners during their life will get resurrected to be punished for their poor behavior prior to death. Death is the penalty for sins as it was when God first introduced the penalty of disobedience to the first man, Adam. *_ROMANS 6:23_* The dead have already paid the wage of sin which is DEATH. Paul talks about the HOPE that he and others entertained regarding BOTH good and wicked people. How his HOPE of BOTH groups being resurrected was shared by others. *_ACTS 24:15_* - having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust. None of them HOPED that the wicked people are resurrected to be punished AGAIN for the mistakes or sins they committed prior to their FIRST DEATH. *_HEBREWS 9:27_* - all men die ONCE *_REVELATION 20:14_* - but certain people will be subjected to the SECOND death. Obviously, those who were not a part of the FIRST RESURRECTION could be subject to the second death since only that GROUP will completely avoid it.

​@@merarigomez6835are you okay??

The Bible explicitly teaches in Rev. 20:12-15 that the condemned will be resurrected with a physical body to be permanently destroyed in Gehenna fire. Why do you think Matt. 10:28 shows Christ saying "fear Him who is able to destroy both soul _and body_ "? All of traditional Christianity's problems stem from its adherents focusing on the person of Christ instead of what He preached.

​@@brother_Tennesseewhen you guys say body you mean spirit or soul right??

I to struggle with this.... It be what it'll be no matter what you & I think think yes

To go anywhere, a person should be alive. The dead cease to exist. (Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going. Correct! God will never punish anyone eternally; especially with some torture. Whether a person has committed crimes by the dozen or not, his death wipes all sins away. Romans 6:7,23.

God is not unfair he created us and it doesn't matter the time it matters on what we done on earth and I'd we die in our sins we will be separated from God forever sin can not be in heaven

People often spend decades in prison for crimes that took mere minutes to commit. The reason hell is eternal is because 1. God created us in his image, so like him, we too are eternal beings and 2. when people reject Jesus’s offer of salvation they are making the choice to pay for their own sins, which of course as sinners they cannot because only Jesus was able to pay the price for our sins as he was sinless, so hell ends up being eternal.

Hell is no eternal but has eternal consequenses for sodom and gomera were burned by hell fire but they are not still burning hell fire burns something completly there is noreversal so if one is burned they wil be destroyed to never exist no ashes no smoke will remain it destroys Spirits wich are Demons wichw ill destroy them

Amen

I believe in different realms with different levels of torment. I sometimes lean towards total destruction of the soul “fear the one that can kill the body & soul”

Traditional Jewish views or traditional Christian views based on Greek mythology?

@@ValRoyD Very much so.. If someone was to look at the historicity of hell they would find out how big a role Greek mythology plays in the bible. One would also see a lil Zoroastrianism as well. When you know history there is no longer a need to believe in mythology because mythology begets mythology

@@oldschool5 “Very much so” what? I asked a “this or that” question and you gave me a ‘there’ answer.

Yeah, he never said why universal reconciliation was heresy. There is good scriptural evidence that it could be true.

@@michaelwhitman9937 I don’t really know the truth, none of us do. I believe in Jesus Christ as my eternal security, but at the same time, there are people in cultures that have never met a Christian, that have been raised their whole life with the beliefs and culture they grew up in, when someone can explain that to me (their eternal security), I have questions

It's heresy because for what reason then did Jesus die? Jesus died to save sinners from hell. Unforgiven sin sends people to hell. It's heresy because to say that everyone eventually goes to heaven, however they get there and however long it takes, basically calls God a liar. His own Word, which He wrote, would be false which would mean the Bible is meaningless and Jesus did not beat the grave. Conquering the grave means Jesus took the death sentence off humanity. Our death sentence is hell. @@michaelwhitman9937

If you reject Yahshua you will end up in hell bcus Yahshua is the ONLY WAY into heaven don't teach lies to people we all must accept Yahwehs son to get into heaven and hell is forever don't lead people down the wrong path dude

@@richardredding9412Jesus said everyone would have heard the gospel by the time he arrives, and now that we have social media where you can see what people around the world are talking about i’m pretty sure everyone or damn near everyone has heard the gospel and just choosing to reject it

I can't like your comment because I done know what universalism means, but I feel you in that last part of your comment.. I am a bible believer whose majority of loved ones who have passed were not saved. Including my parents. It is excruciatingly painful to think of them down there

Even souls that believe that they have chosen Jesus will not make it. The Bible says to make every effort to enter the narrow gate for many will try to enter but will not be able to.

@@Selahbrooke3 you know there’s a false doctrine of people who thinks they are saved just because they believe in what Jesus did for us BUT they said we don’t have to repent to get to heaven because Jesus already paid for all of our sins on the cross… what a LIE! we DO have to repent and live in the Spirit and NOT do what our flesh wants… Once we come to Christ our lives changes and we have to be born again and start living for the LORD and leave stuff that are worldly… I feel bad for those people because they are on their way to hell… even if they believe in Jesus 😢

Do you know that a vast majority, roughly 90% of people worldwide, haven't had a chance to encounter the Gospel? Does it strike you as logical that God would condemn them to hell just because they're not Christians?

​@@Metarigif they haven't have a chance to encounter the gospel, God will definitely send someone there to preach the Gospel. He is just!

@@SoldierofJesus_John316 I know that God is just, but the common belief in a God whose love is very conditional based on belief in His son doesn't seem fair to me. I was born into a Muslim family and converted to Christianity, so I'm well aware of the situation in Islamic culture. Christianity is distorted in those countries, and technically, the majority of them have no chance to know the real Jesus. Also, they are constantly being misled about their own religion, and Islamic priests portray their religion as beautiful in their eyes. My question is, why does God require you to believe in His son to save you? Does that sound fair to you? It only makes sense to me if He doesn't judge you solely based on your belief but also on your actions, and He will save you if you sincerely call upon Him either in this life or the afterlife. Additionally, the concept of perpetual hell doesn't make sense by any means. It's simple: if we believe God is good, it means that whatever He does is out of love and His goodness, and it should benefit us. How does endless punishment benefit the person being punished?

I agree with you. Being away from God is the scariest and emptiest thing you can feel. As a believer I strayed away and decided to do what my will wanted. I felt the emptiness inside. He wouldn’t respond to me because of my life of sin. Thank God for his mercy and he made me know that he truly has always been there for me and not he makes his presence known. I read a book lee Strobel where he says that the metaphor of fire is all about Gods judgment. That hellnis an actual place where there is darkness and that the fact that Gods presence isn’t there is the eternal torment. You will grind and nash your teeth because of this. That what I believe now. But will continue looking into it

@@alejandroleyva8606 Very well said. Yeah, I'm the same, that's what I believe now but will definitely keep looking into it and praying about it.

Yes it is forever. It’s 14 times at least in the Bible.! Think about every movie ever made, has a happy ending or an escape; the exact opposite of what hell is going to be! this is to desensitize people that they may escape hell when they won’t, and it is forever, they cannot commit suicide ! Sin against eternal God, you get eternal punishment ! Genesis 2:17 death is a continuous state, that verse proves it !

Don't in the same Bible it says heaven and earth shall pass umm..

The "forever part" is actually only mentioned once in the whole bible. In Revelation. The aeon-thing he talked about in the video. But revelation is a very very symbolic book. It is also written that death and hades are thrown into the same place which can hardly be literally true, bc death and hades are not persons nor things that you can throw into a fire. All other places in scripture seem more on the side of annihilism if you read careful. Even Jesus himself said, we should fear the one who could destroy body and soul in Gehenna. (The word Hell does not occur in the original scripture). Some are even on the side of the universalsts. F.e. when god says, he wants everybody to repent and be saved and does not enjoy peoples downfall. Would god not get what he wants?

@@saferides2474 it’s not talking about the final heaven look at the original languages , but The second heaven, or outer space! It says the stars, and the sun will disappear before the nation of Israel will disappear! Jeremiah 31:36 “The descendants of Israel will never stop being a nation. That would happen only if I lost control of the sun, moon, stars, and sea.” The LORD says, “I will never reject the descendants of Israel.”

​@@saferides2474Yes, this heaven and earth shall pass after Jesus's millennium reign. A new heaven and earth will be created. That's the eternal home.

The wicked willl burn for a time including Satan and his angels and they will be ashes under the soles of our feet. Jesus said this For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

A just God cannot allow sin that wounds his children to go unpunished. Nor can He allow it into His eternal kingdom. We wouldn’t think it right, in fact, if He didn’t have some way of dealing with rapists and murderers, thieves and manipulators. Hell is a natural response to evil, which is much more evil than I think our hearts and minds can really imagine. Evil deserves a punishment, because it so wholly spits on the face of the good and loving God we have, and all that He intended for us and for Him. But- instead of allowing us to go to hell, which is what we all deserve, He stepped into flesh to die in our place. We were already headed to hell, because justice requires it- but He paid our debt. If we do not agree to accept this, then truly- we have said to God that we want to be judged based on our own merit/that we do not want to cloth ourselves with Christ and accept His offer. And so- the righteous judge- our King accepts this. And judges us as we ask. Really- it assures me all the more that He hears my cries and the pain and injustice we face in this life. It is no small matter to Him, for He loves us deeply.

In the end times, some people who insult Jesus and aren't saved are often those who called themselves Christians but didn't truly believe in God. This includes even some clergy like priests and pastors who did terrible things and acted hypocritically. When they face Jesus on judgment day, they try to trick Him by saying they served Him, but it's clear they only believed in Him when it was too late. So, Jesus doesn't save them. The idea of never-ending punishment is debated, and some folks believe in Christian universalism, which says everyone will eventually be okay with God. I hope this helps you understand the Gospel better.

Read a book called 'Hope beyond hell' it will clarify alot for you.

I'd like to continue off your last point of resonating with how great the love of God is...our puny little minds (compared to His mind) can't even come close to these "eternal matters". Please see Deut. 29:29...the secret things such as eternity and hell, etc...belong to Him alone, NOT TO US! Hell and eternity are way beyond our pay grade just accept that and just trust that our loving God will always do what's best for every person in every situation at all times...I think hell may be in the bible to show how great sin and evil really are, but to know the intricacies of it are way beyond us! Please don't let the wheels of your mind drive you crazy like the Eagles song goes, but take it easy dear soul. Matt.11:25 says that our Father hides things from the wise and prudent who think they know the answers to these deep things, WHEN NONE OF US CAN KNOW THEM- our minds are to small...the verse goes on to say but He reveals them to babes, and what do babes do best but to trust and rest in their father's/mother's arms. Please try not to overthink these weighty matters which only GOD can handle! Please meditate on Ps. 131 as well and put everything in His hands...I also pray God will deliver your mind from any strongholds and bring you into the freedom He longs for you to have whereby we cry "Abba Father" Gal. 4:6,7....Bless you richly in His great love❤❤❤

​@@M_Soaring Could you think about the idea that eternal hell might be a misunderstanding, like many other misunderstandings the church has corrected over the centuries. Should we stick to the tradition of portraying God as vengeful and condemning most humans to eternal damnation?

Pray, Repent and Stay in GODS Word Daily ❤

We must be careful not believe in heresy false teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple a child can understand it we only need to believe in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation not in works or " being good or obedience" just SOLELY in Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did not look to ourselves/ the sinner but look up to The Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to work for Salvation it is a free Gift from GOD . There's no such thing as fruit checking ourselves to see if we did enough "good works" fruit to be saved or evidence of being saved. Or working for salvation it just simply believing in Jesus Christ we are saved. Period if someone preaches working for Salvation it is damning people to hell who has never believed on Jesus Christ Solely for their Salvation. Do you believe that you are a sinner and that you can not save yourself from hell ? Do you believe that it is Nothing you or anyone or anything can do to save you. Only Jesus Christ can Save us from hell. Jesus Christ says that He is The Way The Truth and The Life No one can go to The Father in Heaven except through Him Jesus Christ Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and do you believe in your heart that Jesus was crucified, buried and that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead on The Third Day? If you believe all this alone then you are saved. Do not fear remember what Jesus Christ said " it is Finished" .

@@Corinthians--ek4kt so praying, repenting and reading the Bible gets you into Heaven? So you're saying it Is by what we do that get us into Heaven?

You are where you are, because God is not done with you yet. Ask for local county assistance if that will help you too. They usually have many programs for people in need.

@@Jesussaves.7777 Not at all, Access to Heaven is by *Faith alone on Christ Alone* as you correctly Taught! However, the Fruits of Faith, Praying, Repenting, Reading the Scriptures, good works, Obedience, all the things that *Follow* Eternal Salvation through Faith alone on Christ alone, earn Rewards in Heaven, to be given to us at the Bema Seat by Christ Jesus our Crucified, Risen, Ascended, and soon to Return, Lord and only Savior, our Master, our Good Shepherd, and our only Hope! Crowns of Gold, Silver, Precious Stones, etc. for us to lovingly place back down at Christ's feet in Gratitude for His gift of Faith to us through His Finished works upon the Cross. However, to avoid causing the weaker brother elected only to grow 30 pieces of fruit, we must not fruit inspect them, only haul them up if they are still living like they are in the World, so called "Greasy Grace" (Antinomianism) is every bit as Damnably False and Heretical as the so called "Works based Maintenance" of Rome, of Arminius, of Wesley, and thus of Satan! Faith, Real, Saving Heart Faith, brings with it Conviction of Sin, and if that Conviction is not there, and they are still going out to nightclubs (Pastor S. Michael Houdmann of Got Questions is very clear, such places are *not* for Christians as being there will Damage our Witness to others! to which I add that if you like the music, which is often instrumental and neutral, just get a CD!) and reveling and fornicating, and practicing all the works of the Flesh so Gravely warned about by the Apostle Paul in Galatians Chapter 5, we kind have to say, (best Impression of Pastor Parr's Voice here:) "hold on, are you even in the Faith? or did you just respond to an Altar Call to try and get a get out of Hell Free Card?" as that might result in them getting Heart, Saving, Faith, as the Result of Godly Sorrow, the Regenerating of their Heart by God *Himself* (See the Westminster Confession of Faith 1646) from Death to Life, but, those who are Elected to grow 100 pieces of Fruit must also avoid Fruit Inspection, less they become Puffed up with Pride, and cause the weaker brother to Stumble, by taking Pride in leading 20 Souls to Christ that Day in Street Preaching, while the Weaker Brother was just looking after his Neighbors Pets while they were at Work. The Weaker Brother must also be Careful not to Fruit Inspect however, as the Weaker Brother is often Tyrannical and Legalist (see "the Tyranny of the Weaker Brother" by the Late, much missed, Forevermore with Christ Jesus the Lord, R.C. Sproul) when he Fruit Inspects, and will try and Condemn a Person to Hell as an Unbeliever just for Enjoying the old 1960's Mission: Impossible TV Series, when he, the Weaker Brother, esteems *all things* as Unclean through Inexperience, not yet being able to discern true conviction from false condemnation, and misplaced Zeal (I have to Confess: been there, done that) and Forces the Heretical, Wesleyan-Arminian "holiness" (as Condemned as Damnable Heresy by Augustus Toplady, by H. A. Ironside (who is somewhat controversial in reformed Circles as a 3/4 Point Calvinist meaning some accept him, others deny him for not being a full 5 Pointer and a "Hyper-Calvinist", I Personally hold to 5 Point, but the Orthodox Version as found in Institutes and the 1646 Westminster Confession, taken directly from the Holy Scripture of the Bible, Hardline on some things, Moderate on others, Bible Believing ("Calvinist") in all, the True, Biblical "Calvinism" of Spurgeon basically, but without his immense wealth of knowledge or Experience, hence my frequent turning to Spurgeon's teaching as they express true Christian Faith far better than I ever could.) , By C.H. Spurgeon, by J.C. Ryle, and countless other great sheep and servants of Christ) Hyper-Legalist Doctrine of Total World-Flight ("shun the world and *everything* of it or you are an unbeliever!" we all know the type (said in dour and miserable voice:) "No TV, No Radio, No Internet, No Phone, No Car, No Modern Clothes, No Books other than the Bible, No Movies (my note here: I do esteem the Picture House, like the Theatre (and Spurgeon, who was all about the same True and Simple Gospel of the Bible that is Grace alone through Faith alone, on Christ alone, as you are, was very clear the Theatre was no place for a Christian as it would Damage our Witness to Others) or Nightclub, as a Sinful and Godless Place, but see no Sin in watching a Family Friendly movie on DVD, However, one who does not esteem the Picture House unclean, but only some of the Films shown within, can go to watch one they esteem as clean, just don't take me!), No going to Work unless it is for the commune, absolutely nothing of that the world does or you are lukewarm and and unbeliever" Damnable Lies of the Accursed Heresiarch John Wesley!) on Everyone Else! Yes, we will know Believers from Unbelievers by their Fruits, but we should allow them to come naturally through the Guidance of Christ as the *Result* of Faith, and not force them through Fruit inspection. "How many did you save today? your not saved unless you saved someone!" is an Arminian, and thus, false, Doctrine of works and fear from the Wesleyan "holiness" (Heresy!) based "Salvation Army" Cult that has crept in unawares due to sleeping Watchmen! Smiling when someone performs what is *clearly* a Fruit of Faith, as it is not something an Unbeliever would ever do, is recognizing a fellow sheep of Christ as marked by that Fruit grown through Christ Jesus who is the True Vine. Faith *alone* results in Salvation, but Fruits are the *Result* of Salvation, they do not get us into Heaven, the Gift of God through Unconditional Election (Not of works so that no man may boast) that is the Faith of Christ, and that alone, gets us into Heaven, but Fruits earn us Rewards in Heaven. Love and Peace.

So Jesus tells us to love our enemies and to do good to them, but he himself will torture his enemies forever?

I would love to see that as well. But 9 times out of ten he won't because they go watch what that person teaches and realize they won't win the debate if they do so. But I believe God will show Allen the truth sooner or later just as He did with the false tongue movement. Just keep praying for him. God is able.

But purgatory is not hell. It is meant for people not completely free from sin, but who will go to heaven. By fefinition, there can be no sin in heaven, which makes purification necessary. The concept of purgatory as a place is a mistake made by a scribe when copying texts by hand, and was not originally intended to be understood as such. It is something that happens when a person dies. Not a place where dead wait. In eternity, you can' t speak of time in the same sense it is understood here on Earth.

The wicked willl burn for a time including Satan and his angels and they will be ashes under the soles of our feet. Jesus said this For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

@@b6983832purgatory there is no such place

I believed in the traditional view, until I was told as a child that I would burn forever in hell for not kissing the feet of a concrete graven statue. The Lord Jesus Christ NEVER IN the Bible instructs us to kiss a concrete, stone, whatever the case, statue. I believe The Lord Jesus Yesua Christ is who he said that he was. Because no ordinary Jasper can be killed by a bunch of revenuers, that bust out of his tomb three days, and three nights afterwards. Many, many times I have called out to him for mercy, when I face him at my judgment. I have been called an ignorant "redneck" but would rather be an ignorant redneck in Heaven, then a highly educated person in hell. 😢

According to Deuteronomy 32:22 there are many hells

That’s the first verse in the Bible, and the first law of thermodynamics … The second law of thermodynamics, Comes from the same verse that We also see that death is a continuous state genesis 2:17 (The Bible keeps it real about science) “The day you eat of the fruit you will die” Adam and Eve ate the fruit and they did not die in a finality state. They started dying both physically and spiritually, when the verbiage says they will die that day; so that means death is a continuous state. !

HELL is a word coined by the KJV for the GRAVE. (Revelation 20:14) And death and the Grave (Hell - KJV, Gr - Hades) were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. This clearly tells us that when death is taken away from humans, the need for a grave will also end. The Lake of Fire MEANS total destruction. Of course the Grave cannot be destroyed literally. It ceases to take in bodies of humans. The term 'Everlasting Life' will come to mind. (Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and DEATH WILL BE NO MORE, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” No torturing of anyone anywhere by God. It is either Everlasting Life or Everlasting Death. See John 3:16.

But there is not a single verse in the Bible that ever says you’re tormented in hell or that your soul is eternal or immortal, without Jesus, giving you eternal life for being saved, and then pretty much every verse says your soul is destroyed and hell. So can you explain why you think you are tormented forever? If the Bible never says that because it doesn’t. But again the Bible says it’s the second death or you parish in hell or your soul is destroyed or you are consumed like straw in a fire. It only says in revelation, and it’s not even talking about hell because it’s in God’s presence and the Angels presents, and it’s only for people who worship the beast and took the mark of the beast specifically.

​@@jessejive117these guys who hold view have to make their preconceived notion fit into scripture. The doctrine comes from Catholicism. And Dante's inferno

There’s not even evidence. 15:15 he reads all the verses, saying your soul is destroyed and doesn’t offer any rebuttal to it other than questions, rather, we are using logic, and reason to come to this conclusion. Don’t just claim the Bible Backs traditional view. The Bible never says your soul is immortal without eternal life from belief in Jesus, it never says your tormented inhale other than one passage in revelation, and it specifies you have to worship the beast and take the mark of the beast in the Bible says like five or six very clear specific times that aren’t just parables that your soul is destroyed or it’s the second death or you are consumed like straw in a fire. You can believe whatever thing you want to believe, it’s stupid to believe that, but it’s a free country. But don’t make the claim it’s backed up biblically. It’s not. Which is why he didn’t even offer a rebuttal to your soul being destroyed and which is also why you didn’t offer a rebottle to that or give any information to back up the Bible support a traditional view.

AMEN ...

That’s insane. Why do you believe that? He didn’t give a second verse that says your tormented forever for not being saved. Not even the one in revelation.

How many hells are there according to Deuteronomy 32:22 ?

That doesn’t have anything to do with the topic. God chooses the punishment and if he chooses to submerge people, essentially and hot, molten lava for all of eternity he’s evil. That’s my problem with Christians. You guys will essentially say if God does it then it’s good and fair. No. Because now you guys defend God, doing evil things, when he doesn’t, you just believe he does, and therefore you consider them not evil. I’m also a Christian and no offense but I think it’s really stupid when people try and justify evil deeds they believe God does, and just says they aren’t evil essentially because it’s God. I think there’s pretty much no way to interpret. Humans are tormented in hell. What’s funny is if you realize the Bible said your souls destroyed in hell if you weren’t saved, we’d all recognize how evil it would be for God to even allow people to be tormented day and night, forever and ever… just like the Bible doesn’t say we should molest children, and we would say that would be evil for God to command that. But if you found versus or 90% of Christians thought, the Bible said we should molest children you guys would be defending that. And that’s a problem. Because that actually gives atheist a reason for not believing in God, and not following Christians because we are just indoctrinated if that’s how we discussed things. Everyone saying well I don’t know all I know is I don’t wanna go to hell and God is good. But we should know because the Bibles overwhelmingly clear on this. There are just things that are settled in the Bible and I can’t fathom or people get your tormented forever. Other than the fact hell is eternal in the fires are eternal, and everyone assumes your soul is immortal, even though the Bible is very very very clear it’s not. This is one of the most clear issues.

How to get back I got tricked back to destruction when I was born again and I was well made. I didn't even think and got tricked I want back I thought I wanted this foolish world. This was bad. Very. I mean I don't live. This was bad to come back here

This is my general stance on the annihilationism argument. I believe more evidence is in its favor. Both sides have their verses they argue, and both sides really do have good evidence that their view may be true. I feel as though annihilationism better fits with the verses, and better fits with what we know of God’s nature. That being said, if I am incorrect and I get to heaven and find out that Hell is indeed eternal conscious torment, who am I to say that’s wrong? God is just in all his ways. If he has decided something, he is correct and I was not. Doesn’t mean I can’t have an opinion of what is true in the modern day What we should all be able to agree on: Hell is bad, whether you go there and stay forever or are eventually annihilated, it’s NOT a place you want to be

@@kalebc2134 Yes, 100% agreement. The basis of our belief shouldn't just be our own personal moral evaluations of what we prefer. If the Bible teaches it, I believe I'm bound by it. The Bible, taken in context, with sound hermeneutics, is the authoritative final word.

I agree.

@@kalebc2134Now that I think about it, I suppose I would nuance this a little bit by saying that, while I don't think the moral question is INsignificant - just that the Scripture is the final word. If Scripture teaches ECT, there has to be some way for us to understand and frame it that wouldn't be morally reprehensible. So the moral intuition isn't the BASIS for my belief in Conditional Immortality, but a supplemental bolstering, an addition. And if all things were equal, I would put the "better seems to represent the moral character of Yahweh" on the Conditional Immortality side of the ledger. Nevertheless, if Scripture explicitly taught ECT, and I wanted to affirm Scripture, then golly I'd better affirm ECT. Happily I think the preponderance of the evidence is clear on the side of Annihilationism.

@the-meat-battles disagree. I think part of Hell is to see what heaven is. To suffer highly, then to know all the glory that heaven is and you chose suffering and eventual nonexistence is certainly what many would consider “torment”

If you believe in purgatory, you reject the gospel.

Being raised Catholic myself, I know it takes a lot of rethinking and openness. Keep it up my friend!, God bless

Dear brother or sister It’s not about what resonates with us, it’s about what God says in His word. There are many things that don’t resonate with me from the Bible but it is still the truth. Let’s not follow our hearts because the Bible says the heart is deceitful. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Don’t follow your own understanding either Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. The Catholic Church is not the church of Jesus, read the book of Acts and see how the real church was and is still today. The Christian church is the real church. Find the truth before you pass from this earth so you can walk in the purpose that God has for you.

@@johntrevett2944 if someone has a relationship with Jesus is ALL that matters!!

Purgatory is false

And yet eternal torment is false

hell is what The Bible says it is . Eternal punishment and separation from GOD. But there is Hope ; Jesus Christ. Please understand GOD loves you please be careful of videos like this where they preach that we must " work " for our Salvation or fruit check others or ourselves or find " evidence" of our salvation. No my friend stop just simply believe in Jesus Christ for Salvation only nothing more nothing less JESUS says " it is finished " is teaching like this from allen parr which brings hate , shame , condemnation, and resentment towards self , others ,and most worse is to GOD. We must be careful not believe in heresy false teaching The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple a child can understand it we only need to believe in Jesus Christ alone for Salvation not in works or " being good or obedience" just SOLELY in Jesus Christ and who He is and what He did not look to ourselves/ the sinner but look up to The Savior Jesus Christ. We don't have to work for Salvation it is a free Gift from GOD . There's no such thing as fruit checking ourselves to see if we did enough "good works" fruit to be saved or evidence of being saved. Or working for salvation it just simply believing in Jesus Christ we are saved. Period if someone preaches working for Salvation it is damning people to hell who has never believed on Jesus Christ Solely for their Salvation. Do you believe that you are a sinner and that you can not save yourself from hell ? Do you believe that it is Nothing you or anyone or anything can do to save you. Only Jesus Christ can Save us from hell. Jesus Christ says that He is The Way The Truth and The Life No one can go to The Father in Heaven except through Him Jesus Christ Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and do you believe in your heart that Jesus was crucified, buried and that Jesus Christ was raised up from the dead on The Third Day? If you believe all this alone then you are saved. Do not fear remember what Jesus Christ said " it is Finished" .

Bingo! God's absence. He can no longer protect you and you dive into infinite chaos. Even your good thoughts are robbed from you. All you can do is scream and go mad. Burning is the least of your concerns. It makes you wonder why Satan is so insane. He's essentially an entity judged to the same fate, but he can roam this world for a bit. It's the perfect curse. He's controlled opposition, fulfilling the desires of the creation he blames. God is a genius!

@@Jesussaves.7777 I believe anyone that truly believes in Christ should not bother with checking if they did good, for if they believe in his word, they will already be doing everything correctly.

Hopefully the verse in revelations about worshipping the beast and accepting the mark is the worst punishment of all. For I will not be doing that. Praise the Lord

@@zJohnnyMac And here's another factor that may make things even worse for those in Hell. Lucifer and his minions could be hanging out there with all the unbelievers as well. If that's the case, in addition to the torment of separation from God, they have to contend with Satan and all of his evil schemes. Hell is pretty much Satan's domain, so I can't even imagine what kind of eternal nightmare he and his minions have in store for everyone there.

*"I believe in the traditional view." I am willing to accept the traditional view, too, if someone will show me in the Bible where it says that the unsaved are going to inherit eternal life.

I’m a bit lost, so your saying that basically we will stay in court forever and never go to jail? That sounds a lot like purgatory.

@@antdawgjractually purgatory though the term doesn’t have a good reputation when you hear that word in modern Christian circles, is actually the true biblical view. Since hell itself is a false doctrine. Jesus is the saviour of all mankind, not 1% of mankind. Logically pretty sad if He only saved 1% out of billions

​@ninjonsupete3439 you're saying hell doesn't exist?

@@silverguard8105 Yes. I've done a lot of research on this topic. I once believed in hell, but eventually found to much evidence that proved it to be a false doctrine. So yes hell doesn't exist.

@ninjonsupete3439 so what happens to those who don't accept Jesus when they die?

Human logic won't do anyone any good when they die, though.

@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783what a stupid comment. This isn’t a salvation issue. And he has logic matters when it comes to interpreting the Bible. I’m not saying you shouldn’t prayed and asked for wisdom and understanding but the Bible is logical and when you guys basically say the Bible say logical, you sound stupid. Because that’s literally the definition of stupid. Not only that is illogical, and against God’s word to believe you burn for all of eternity in hell in conscious suffering. The Bible is clear on this. Your soul is destroyed. There are schools of thought they differ, one school of thought is correct and the others are wrong, because the Bible isn’t abstract poetry. And when we tell people completely irrational things about God, who are biased and being tribal, and just raised to believe ridiculous police, without questioning them, which is being indoctrinated, they don’t buy the burning in hell for all of eternity for not believing in God’s existence, and then that Jesus is who he says he is. But the Bible literally says your souls destroyed, and it never says your tormented.

@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783 Not if it lineup with scripture.

@@justinmarcus5405 It rarely does.

@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783 Sorry guys! But the traditional view point is the scriptural view.

Thanks for the info and explanation.

Yes! Awesome bro! Finally one who also agrees with me on this topic. Cannot see why more people don't see it this way, and just accept the traditional view as if everything is ok with it. I also wrote a long essay in support of the C.I. view here in the comments. Check it out. Blessings to you!

Yes, yes, and yes brother...I appreciate the explanation you gave, very biblical as well. I also lean strongly toward #3 view and like you, I see the many problems with tradition views. I loved the part about the garden and mortality and death etc. which you gave, I will be reading that again as it was so well thought out. Thank you for taking the time to share that, I find it very valuable. To think of an eternal conscious state of torment/torture for 80 some years of sin and rebellion just doesn't square up in any scenario. I'm not making light of sin, which Jesus suffered horribly for in order to bring peace with God, and also as you mentioned to GIVE US ETERNAL LIFE AS A GIFT! If people don't want his gift/His Son, then as John 3:16 states, will PERISH. I also personally like Matt.10:28, it's really the clincher for me. Well enough with my rambling...We're not saying we've got it all figured out, but we are saying WE HAVE A GOOD GOOD FATHER, AND SO GLAD TO BE IN HIS FAMILY, BLESS YA GOOD BRO...peace out, Matt😊😊😊

Thank u 4 the effort,your opinion feels like part of the Gospel,your view gives me peace but eternal punishment does not make me happy. Eternal life is only in Jesus, No Jesus no eternity.

Love this

These people had experiences too. They say it's not a "fact". Notice... NDE - LINDA S.: "The wrathful, vengeful God, as taught by my religion, instilled in me a deep fear of God, death, and the afterlife. The NDE transformed me, showing that God is only a loving God, WHO DOES NOT JUDGE AND PUNISH. THERE IS NO HELL. I knew I was in the arms of a being who cherished me with PERFECT LOVE and carried me from the dark void into a new reality. There was no place that God did not exist and I was within God. I am an inseparable part of the light. THE TRUTH OF WHO I AM, INDEED, WHO WE ALL ARE, IS PERFECT LOVE as a creation of God. I had spent a lifetime of fear of judgment and now, standing with God, I HAD BEEN KNOWN COMPLETELY AND FOUND FAULTLESS. I KNEW GOD REGARDED ME AS PERFECT. Finally it all made sense. God could only love me because God is only love, nothing other than love. All is as it is supposed to be. UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS OUR TRUE NATURE." Another Christian...and notice, again.... NDE - ROBYN C.: "I KNOW THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT OR HELL. I just know whatever form God takes, he loves us and welcomes us. I felt an overwhelming sense of complete bliss and contentment. I could see the light ahead of me and felt drawn to it, but I was moving slowly and enjoying the wondrous sensations I felt. Since my experience, I have been certain there is a God, but this is different to what I had believed as a Christian." Again, no "hell" and no judgement.... NDE - JASON H.: "I now know that there is a life after death. I NOW KNOW THAT THERE IS NO HELL. In that overwhelming radiating loving light, I met a glowingly beautiful, very loving being. His loving presence completely surrounded me, and together we went through my life and all that I had experienced, IN A LOVING WAY, NOT ANY JUDGING WAY." Yet again, no "hell" and can't be separated.... NDE - GORDON S.: "THERE IS NO 'heaven' and no 'HELL'. I am just now accepting that part of my purpose for coming back is to help other people awaken to the simple truth: WE ARE LOVE, we are part of God, and WE CANNOT EVER BE SEPARATED FROM GOD. The knowing that we are all inter-connected makes it easy for me to accept people, just as they are." Again, no "hell" and no reward.... NDE - STEVE L.: "I soon realized I did not have my body, and that I was surrounded by consciousness. EVERYTHING IS JUST TOTAL LOVE. There was consciousness that came to me in the form of people I recognized. THERE IS NO heaven or HELL. THERE IS NO "REWARD" FOR A "GOOD LIFE". Our careers, mistakes, money, etc., mean nothing. We join the pure consciousness at the time of leaving our body, and we are all one." Notice again, he clearly understood.... NDE - DOUG F.: "IT WAS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE IS NO heaven or HELL. Every part of the universe was part of me, and every part of me was part of the universe. THERE WAS COMPLETE INCLUSION AND ACCEPTANCE. This was so far beyond any expectation. Another realization came to me. Everything is known, and there is nothing to learn. Life on earth is not a school, there is nothing to learn. LIFE ON EARTH IS JUST AN EXPERIENCE. NOTHING MORE. As I was guided back, first into the 4th dimension, I could feel the expanded awareness shutting down. THIS LIFE IS ABOUT EXPERIENCE THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE TRULY ARE."

Hell is real its eternal and people can't comprehend it being eternal just bcus we dont agree doesn't mean it's not true hell is forever people need to read the Bible as it says and accept it

@@Yahshuaismyeverything No it's not real. These NDE people were told its not. Here: NDE - A. JOHNSON: "THERE'S NO HELL, THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT. When you realize there's nothing to forgive, then there's nothing to punish either. I can tell you one thing for sure, THERE WAS NO JUDGEMENT. THERE WAS NOTHING I HAD EVER DONE THAT WASN'T COMPLETELY FORGIVEN, AND 'FORGIVEN' IN THAT CONTEXT MEANT IT WAS GONE. It did not exist. GOD WASN'T HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT, God was loving me right through it, and IT WAS TOTAL AND COMPLETE FORGIVENESS. We dont have to prove ourselves to be loved by God. What I learned on the other side is that THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT ON US, NONE, ZIP, NADA. IN THE OTHER REALM, THERE'S NO JUDGEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO JUDGE. We're all pure unconditional love." He received deep knowledge, notice what it was.... NDE - JAMES T.: "The truth is THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HELL, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SIN, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EVIL, except for the 'hell' we create ourselves in our fearful, ignorant minds. Don't be offended by the word, ignorant. Look it up! It simply means lacking an understanding. I was on the ceiling looking back at my body. I didn't spend much time even contemplating this because I was no longer in that body, that wasn't me, I was up here on the ceiling, so it was easy to leave that shell behind." What punishment? What hell?.... NDE - WILLIAM T.: "THERE IS NO HELL. THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT FOR WRONG BEHAVIORS, NOR REWARDS FOR RIGHT BEHAVIORS. THERE IS NO JUDICIAL PROCESS. The one-ness I perceived was what is referred to as God. THE PURPOSE OF OUR PHYSICAL EXISTENCE IN LIFE IS TO PROVIDE EVERY POSSIBLE VARIATION OF ACTION, so a knowledge base can exist. This is why people anguish over 'why would God let that happen?' ALL EXPERIENCE, GOOD, BAD, AND MIXED, IS PART OF OMNISCIENT KNOWLEDGE. No matter how horrible the action and how horrible the experience, ALL EXPERIENCES MUST EXIST TO MAKE UP OMNISCIENT KNOWLEDGE. There isn't a single negative emotion on the other side. There's no need for them." Notice, what she knows.... NDE - JUDY G.: "I know God is real, an afterlife exists, and WE ARE SO LOVED. GOD IS MERCY AND LOVE. THERE IS NO HELL. I was asked, 'Do you want to continue this life, or die?' I thought, 'What's death?' The Light began to show me. I knew without a doubt that death was not an ending, but a wonderful opening to my real life. I would be more knowledgeable and live in unconditional completeness and love. I remember feeling almost unworthy of such an indescribable, unconditional love. I was in awe of how much love was enveloping me. Church is not necessary, although it awakens spirit in some people. Fear is illusionary. Only love is real." An out of control biker and drug addict, found out there's no "hell".... NDE - BILL W.: "IT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN TO ALL that ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS NO HELL, OR 'BAD' PLACE. If there were, I definitely would have gone there. I was just an out of control, bike riding, drug using hippie from the 1960s. So, there I was, in this 'space' of light, with these three 'beings' appearing in front of me. We had a conversation and later, I was given a choice to stay or to go back. There is no pain, no loss, NO PHYSICAL SENSES AT ALL. Only peace, calm, connectedness - a true feeling of joy, of 'home'."

I would have never done this. How to regain back out of destruction. I got back rebaptize then DESTRUCTION bad sinning why would I do this when I use to be In Christ and Happy And TV AKD AND DECEIVING... WORLD. I feel blind and cut. I shouldn't not have gin back. I wasn't fighting and NOW wasting I seriously WASN'T THIS WAY AT ALL I T IS 2023 AND I WAS BORN AGAIN IN 1991. I HAD DO business looking back or sinning stupid

@@TriciaPerry-ef7bi Our God is a mercyfull God. He is JUST and FORGIVING. Remember the parable of the lost sheep... i dosent matter how many times we go astray and sin, and fall... Our Lord always rejoyces when we aknoledge our sin and repent, and turn back to HIS arms. We are all sinners. Cast the first stone the one who havent sinned. Repent, JESUS CHRIST welcomes you home once again.