Will Stall Rest Help (an update on Black Jack)

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Horse Tales with Black Jack

Horse Tales with Black Jack

Күн бұрын

In this video, I give an update on how Black Jack is doing with his lameness, explain why I've decided to put Black Jack on stall rest until his next vet checkup, and talk about getting him an MRI sooner rather than later.

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@1daySomeday
@1daySomeday 11 күн бұрын
Dang it , you should not had to have gone through this but you are doing a fantastic job with Black Jack. In my humble opinion you deserve and earned your next and new horse free of all medical and mental problems! I pray your next horse will be a quiet and sound horse
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 11 күн бұрын
Oh gosh, I sure hope so!!
@stephaniedavis7033
@stephaniedavis7033 10 күн бұрын
yep, tripping could be a sign of old founder / lameness - so sorry he is going thru this and glad to hear you are willing to get the right help for him. blessings n stay kind always!
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comment. I know we'll (eventually) get to the bottom of Black Jack's troubles!
@brendabijak7171
@brendabijak7171 11 күн бұрын
I am so sorry, but he is maybe your learning horse, and maybe thats ok. Thank you for loving him where he's at. He is still beautiful and so love able. Love your videos!
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 11 күн бұрын
Thank you for your kind comment about my horse and my videos! Made my day!
@patriciaantolik6741
@patriciaantolik6741 11 күн бұрын
Two things; has he been tested for EPM? Second, with his quiet demeanor, he would be a great therapy horse for children.
@cmoorewv
@cmoorewv 11 күн бұрын
I was going to ask that. My horse tested positive for Lyme and EPM both and the initial clues were tripping, an odd gait in the hind end, some muscle loss and lethargy.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you both! I will ask about these issues!
@cmoorewv
@cmoorewv 10 күн бұрын
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack they can do blood work. It's not cheap but probably cheaper than an MRI.
@L.well.4023
@L.well.4023 10 күн бұрын
I'm so sorry you are going through so much with your beautiful Black Jack... I'm also glad that you are sharing your story about everything that is going on with your new boy! With all of the knowledge of all of us horse people everywhere, I'm sure you will get great advice from horse owners that have been through similar situations. Believe it or not sometimes veterinarians miss some things. It has happened to me as a horse/trainer owner. So all ears and eyes are always a good thing. My first thought is Black Jack is not considered an old horse, he should have many, many years of riding in him. Many horses that compete in high level jumping are at their best at these years and beyond. I guess what I'm trying to tell you is, don't give up. You are doing the right steps. You can never go wrong with stall rest with hand walking as long as the horse can tolerate this. Some horse have a hard time with this. Just remember horses are built to roam and move. Plus the more hand walking will help with circulation blood flow is better for healing. I always hand walk 3x's a day. Time is on your side, enjoy these moments with him as you two bond. Horses are a great therapy, stress relief and more! Thanks for sharing! God bless.....😊
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for your comment! I thought the same thing about his age when I was buying him; he's a nice solid middle age with lots of years left! I'll be walking him as much as I can!
@PersonalTriumph2022
@PersonalTriumph2022 10 күн бұрын
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack I would say check with your vet about how long you should hand walk him; we started at 5 min the first month, then 10 min, now at 15 min. But he gets about an hour of hand grazing on top of that
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
@@PersonalTriumph2022 Thank you, that's good to know. I need to call the vet anyway to get an MRI referral, so I'll ask for some more specifics around his walking.
@lizzieb6311
@lizzieb6311 11 күн бұрын
I’ll bet the answer is yes, being that you’re at a very high end barn, but IF there aren't already rubber stall mats under the bedding in Black Jacks stall, maybe that would be a good idea. It would help with the stall rest. Hang in there. Your attitude is incredible and dedication to Black Jack admirable ♥️
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
There sure are! Poured in with no seams!
@lizzieb6311
@lizzieb6311 10 күн бұрын
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack fantastic! You’ve got yourself a great boarding facility with all the bells and whistles 🤩
@carolynstewart8465
@carolynstewart8465 11 күн бұрын
Glad your wearing a hat! Take care of your skin in that Texas heat! You can enjoy him on the ground ... you're doing the responsible care he needs. Lucky horse to have you. You'll learn lots about yourself in this rehab journey❤
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
I’ve had enough cancer so long sleeves and floppy hats for me! Thank you for the comment!
@sharonbeck-hl7cf
@sharonbeck-hl7cf 11 күн бұрын
File it in the back of your mind that the previous owner said he gets quite “fuzzy” in the winter. Was he kept in a barn, blanketed, or outside with a shed row for shelter? Coat quality is part genetics but it also can give you insight into what is going on internally. It will be interesting to see how he does this coming winter. I fully agree that stall rest and hand walking is in Black Jacks best interest right now. He forgets he’s a gelding and has very stallion like behavior in the pasture with other horses. He is very beautiful puzzle I am sure you will solve.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
I’m definitely filing it away! It doesn’t get all that cold here, so I found that curious, especially given his weight. I wonder about metabolic issues. I sure hope the stall rest will help.
@MozeyDnTheTrail
@MozeyDnTheTrail 9 күн бұрын
Bless you for continuing to stand up for your boy! ❤
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 9 күн бұрын
Thank you! :)
@staceybarnhart8147
@staceybarnhart8147 11 күн бұрын
Love your jokes!! Male patten baldness 😂 Like I said before, listen to your gut. That is cool that the horse owner next to BJ your going together to the MRI having a buddy will keep both calm. Hopefully that will bring some answers!! Like another commentor said, watch his coat as it gets to your winter. " Fuzzy" can be different to different people. If it gets really curly, wavy & he doesn't shed it like the other horses in the barn possibly his thyroid is out of wack. My OTTB had that happen when I brought him home. Put on meds for a year & now fine. I would check for Cushings & EPM since BJ is an older fella. My OTTB is 18yrs now & even though there is nothing I am having x-rays done to have something to go by. Horses are like us, as they age things change. I just bought a new saddle for mine cause his back muscles have changed. I try to stay ahead of things the best I can, but poo happens!! You are doing Awesome with him!! You are watching & listening to him. That there is half the battle!! These little moments together doing nothing is more important to both of you, so suck it in!! It is not about the riding, but the connection, riding is a bonus!! ❤ love your videos & you guys!! You got this!!
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you the suggestions! They all help! I immediately wondered when they said that about his coat, especially given his um, “size.”
@chrishart4707
@chrishart4707 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for this update. I really admire your commitment to Black Jack!
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you. ❤️
@michaelapost-stierle9017
@michaelapost-stierle9017 10 күн бұрын
You do a great job.🎉
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@dberr1509
@dberr1509 11 күн бұрын
I’m sorry things aren’t going well. Wishing you and Black Jack the very best 🐴❤️
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@ferngarner1
@ferngarner1 11 күн бұрын
I am so sorry to hear he is worse.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 11 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@waynegallo7002
@waynegallo7002 11 күн бұрын
Many years ago I was taking riding lesson the horse was fine the owner got a new farrier and all of a sudden the horse was tripping alot while walking and riding him she call a new farrier/blacksmith new shoes were applied problem solved you might want to look into to it. good luck
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for the comment! We're using a new farrier now, and he did a much better job of getting Black Jack's feet even. Maybe he's not used to that!
@familypet7142
@familypet7142 7 күн бұрын
Tripping is frequently due to a neurological disorder. Neuro exam, EPM testing, neck imaging
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 6 күн бұрын
Thank you. I’m calling a vet today. I’ve been trying to convince myself that it’s related to his soft tissue injury, but it keeps happening even though we’re treating that.
@SharonP8356
@SharonP8356 10 күн бұрын
It's only money who needs that..😂😂😂😂 love your demeanor with all that is going on and love to BlackJack ❤ I still have to go back and watch from the beginning but I am sure all us horse Mom's are throwing everything at you to ask vet to check for PPID (Cushings) Laminitis/founder Lyme (and all seperate tests that go with it) EPM And all other neurological problems that could be Kissing spine Arthritis, spurs..etc I can hear your bank account draining..😮😢
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
I can hear it draining too! It sounds like a loud GLUG GLUG GLUG. :) I'm hoping that an MRI will at least rule out navicular (which you forgot to list! lol). One step at a time, right?
@jaysmith8199
@jaysmith8199 11 күн бұрын
Male patten baldness 😄😄 Oh you make me laugh! He will look lovely with a mane and forelock. Losing weight is really good for his lameness and general health. Horse's feed is so important - have you watched CC's latest vid. She thinks Studman has a metabolic issue. What she's done with Nigel is nothing short of miraculous 😮 Love that grumpy old man ❤ Is BJ still stumbling as you lead him around? If he isn't, I would leave him another week or 2 to see if stable rest helps him. If he is still stumbling, MRI - ouch $$$
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Glad you got a laugh! 😁 I hope his mane is beautiful like his tail. Yeah, not looking forward to the $$$ for the MRI, but I’ll do it if necessary.
@Gygy00
@Gygy00 10 күн бұрын
I hope he gets better soon 🙏
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@kathleeneldridge3057
@kathleeneldridge3057 10 күн бұрын
Your attitude and attention to Black Jack’s problem is inspiring. I have a miniature horse that I rescued. She developed arthritis not long after we got her. I joked to our veterinarian that she was going to end up being my most expensive horse! 😅
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
It's crazy how the costs add up!
@maryiheartboxing1142
@maryiheartboxing1142 10 күн бұрын
I would check into testing for Lyme and EPM or another neurological issue that perhaps is causing the physical symptoms
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
I will ask the vet about that!
@PersonalTriumph2022
@PersonalTriumph2022 10 күн бұрын
My horse has been tripping a lot since his injury. But he has also been on stall rest. There is a regimen of hand walking that goes along with stall rest, may be your vet can help with that
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
I’m sorry your horse is injured. What kind of injury does he have?
@PersonalTriumph2022
@PersonalTriumph2022 9 күн бұрын
He has a left hind leg suspensory ligament injury
@Open2OpenUT
@Open2OpenUT 10 күн бұрын
It sounds like he’s Neurological?? It’s such a pity, he’s such a lovely boy and I hope he can be helped.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
I honestly have no idea at this point. I'm going with what we've found so far, which is an old soft tissue injury that predates my purchase. Maybe we'll find more on an MRI, or maybe he's also neurological. Who knows at this point!
@marycollins1024
@marycollins1024 8 күн бұрын
I second getting him tested for EPM.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 8 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@marlahumberston1793
@marlahumberston1793 10 күн бұрын
I’m curious if he was body clipped prior to you purchasing him and if so it makes me wonder why this time of year? The coat shouldn’t be long unless he has cushions, worms or something going on? I still suspect epm Lymes pssm to cause the stumbling and other symptoms you describe
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
He was clipped in February (or possibly early March), which makes sense here in Texas. BUT, I'm also paying attention in case he's got some metabolic issue.
@marlahumberston1793
@marlahumberston1793 10 күн бұрын
I’m curious if he was body clipped prior to you purchasing him and if so it makes me wonder why this time of year? The coat shouldn’t be long unless he has cushions, worms or something going on? I still suspect epm Lymes pssm to cause the stumbling and other symptoms you describe 😪🙏🏻
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
He was clipped in late February/early March.
@trevinize
@trevinize 10 күн бұрын
BJ is a handfull ! I see he is stepping firm when standing with both front legs! Keep him in a diet! I would take the two front shoes off Just to see the reaction when he movés on a Hard surface, in the stall is ok and on the round pen. The problem of BJ is more on the right shoulder and the right side of his neck. He is UNCOORDINATED, this means that he has a muscle cramp in his right side where I told you. How to make him good. That's another story. Do this first.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
This is interesting. I've noticed that he can flex his neck easily one way but not the other, which sounds related to what you're saying. I was wondering if a chiropractor might help him feel better?
@trevinize
@trevinize 10 күн бұрын
@@HorseTaleswithBlackJack You will do it yourself.
@starda01
@starda01 10 күн бұрын
I may present an opinion that’s not popular, but I don’t think stall rest is a good option, unless he’s got an acute injury. Horses need movement, even chronically lame ones. If he really needs to avoid full turnout, perhaps there is a limited space small paddock he can use. Have you had his neck xrayed to check for ECVM? It’s a congenital malformation in the caudal cervical spine, effecting C/6 and C/7 cervical vertebra, even it also involves the first and second ribs, thoracic and lumbar vertebrae. The consequences of ECVM can vary - from minor to quite extensive. Tripping is quite common in horses with ECVM because they find it hard to lift through the thoracic sling. Therefore they are traveling on their forehand which makes it easy to trip. As you know, such horses aren’t safe to ride. If they are otherwise comfortable, exercising with a program that strengthens the thoracic sling (the chest and shoulders) will help him lift and carry himself and stop the tripping. I went through this with a horse of mine so I can tell you it does work. But you must find a trainer who can help you work with him because it’s a long road and takes patience and dedication. Here are a few links for information regarding ECVM. www.ecvmallbreeds.com/wat-is-ecvm Science Of Motion®,Jean Luc Cornille was a member of Cadre Noir de Saumur,now updating equine biomechanics with advanced applied science. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ieCbZ9KE1cW2lGg.htmlsi=rnzZHv1I04V41ajN And I highly recommend this Facebook group m.facebook.com/groups/250441277886069/?ref=share Lastly, so I’m not accused of shouting fire in a crowded theater, your horse’s problems may have nothing to do with ECVM. But it’s worth looking into, educating yourself. The frustrations you’re experiencing are familiar, many others have traveled that road. Ask me how I know.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for all that information. I will take a look at this!
@Nickysmom
@Nickysmom 10 күн бұрын
I hope you find an answer so you won’t be keeping him in his stall for too long. Horses need to be walking around and grazing, being on stall rest is extreme both for bod and psyche. Could he not go out in a smaller paddock with just one horse? Being confined is very stressful for a horse, they are animals who need to be moving and it is good for them to be able to decide where to put his feet rather than stall confinement and hand walking. Twenty three hours of unnatural confinement is a very extreme solution for tripping. Please read up on horse behavior and what they need. When I first got interested in horses I kept mine at boarding barns with the usual day or night turnout and that arrangement is practical and convenient for us, not for the horse. It took me 20 years until I managed to organize a situation where they had access to both their stalls and pasture at any time, they were free to choose. I only put them in their stalls for their meals, bad weather or heat. In extreme cases it may be necessary to put them on stall rest but it would have to be an absolute necessity recommended by a vet for specific reason. I don’t mean to appear to preach but it took me a long time of learning about horses to know this about them and just want to give you the benefit of my experience. It is no small thing for a horse to be confined.
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
It's not the tripping necessarily, but the severe soft tissue injury we're trying to heal. I understand completely about horses needed to be out and moving, which is also why I actually prefer pasture boarding rather than stall boarding. However, the vet had recommended Black Jack have access to the pasture ONLY if he was quiet and he shows improvement. This is a short term fix only; his vet check is coming up soon.
@myhappygecko2895
@myhappygecko2895 11 күн бұрын
My quarter horse has crappy forelock hair 🤣 some horses have thicker hair. Mine does not 🤣
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Lol! At least poor Black Jack isn’t alone!
@pamelafarmer1401
@pamelafarmer1401 4 күн бұрын
Maybe consider a neurological exam as well, before you spend big money on an MRI
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 4 күн бұрын
I've actually having the vet come out today, and I'm requesting a neurological exam. Thank you for the comment!
@drnicole33
@drnicole33 9 күн бұрын
I do energy medicine and specialize in horse treatment. I might be able to help. Plz contact me by posting your email here. Thank you.
@susanm3503
@susanm3503 10 күн бұрын
Has navicular disease been ruled out ❤
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 10 күн бұрын
Not yet, which is why I’m leaning towards the MRI.
@suzycue9278
@suzycue9278 6 күн бұрын
Mane will grow just fine. Some people start braiding their mane so that you get it to lay flat on just one side so when you figure out which side it seems to naturally lay on its own, you can always start doing that so that it grows just on one side. I am curious why the vet and farrier have the pads off his feet? Are they just trying to see what he’s like without any pads? Sending strength your way and thanks for caring for Black Jack the way that you do. He is gorgeous!
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack
@HorseTaleswithBlackJack 5 күн бұрын
@@suzycue9278 Thank you for the tips about his mane! I’m excited to see how he looks with a “real” mane. The vet says Black Jack has great sole depth and could see no reason at all for the pads. There seemed to be no reason to use them.
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