Will The Slopestyle STRIKE Make a change??

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Dean Lucas

Dean Lucas

2 ай бұрын

Dear fans and supporters of Slopestyle.
As you will have heard, we, as the full field of male Slopestyle riders at Crankworx Rotorua, have made a joint, but very tough, decision to not take part in official competition tomorrow. But we will be at the event in full support of the girls as they make history, with the first ever female Diamond Slopestyle event. We will also be riding the McGazza train and out there for our fans.
Today has been a tough day and there have been plenty of questions about why we aren’t riding and why this decision was made now. We all came to Rotorua with the full intention to start our season, commit fully to this amazing event and ride to our full potential. So why aren’t we riding?
The short answer; we want to secure a stable and sustainable future for Slopestyle - including the current and future generation of riders. This decision was made to ensure a minimum industry standard is achieved moving forward with rider welfare, safety, compensation, but also communication and decision-making established. Not just singularly for the Crankworx Rotorua event, but for the whole Crankworx and FMB World Tour.
Unfortunately, after years of negotiations, countless meetings, and many letters today we have finally decided to take a stand for the benefits of all Slopestyle riders and the sport. This timeline is not what we hoped for. At this stage we won’t be discussing the specifics of the conditions we requested from Crankworx as an organisation, as we don't believe this is the right place or time to do so.
But we want it known that this is not a ‘shakedown’ for compensation - it’s bigger than that.
Specifically we have raised the following issues as critical:
Safe competition conditions
As riders we always want to put on the best possible show and competition. As we're putting our bodies on the line we believe our requests and feedback on competition timings and practice sessions have been ignored, and once again we weren’t being heard. This is not isolated to a single year or event, and there have been ongoing issues over many years.
Basic rider welfare and participation costs
In the past we’ve come together as a group of riders to personally fund flights for upcoming riders / alternates. We believe in putting on a show with a full field and having a healthy Slopestyle rider collective - we love pushing each other and being pushed by the new blood. But how does new blood make it onto the circuit if they can’t even afford to show what they can throw down?
This year there has been a major reduction in travel support for riders, and especially the alternates. Due to the event locations many riders simply aren’t able to accept their rightful invitation to compete. Rider welfare is basic at best, and when there’s a buffet for the Crankworx members but absolutely no catering at all for the riders, something is drastically wrong.
These are events that we ride in, risk our bodies and careers on, and are a key drawcard for and we believe we should have a seat at the table.
Now is the time for change - time after time we’ve either been ignored, denied or simply not taken seriously which has left us with no other option but to make a point the only way we can. We have felt disrespected and unheard when all we’ve requested is simple support for all riders.
We love this event, we love Rotorua and the fans. We hope that we can find a resolution with Crankworx and FMB to continue the growth of Slopestyle, to showcase incredible riding, and to continue creating amazing memories for fans of mountain biking across the world.-Slopestyle Rider Statement

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@fraggle6849
@fraggle6849 Ай бұрын
I'm one of those off the street volunteers and we get provided snacks, some chippies, muesli bars, cookies.. we have to provide our own lunches and such and we still have to pay full price from food vendors from the event.. I'm lucky as I live in Rotorua but many travelled from out of town, pay their own gas and time.. we got entry and a free t-shirt.. remember these things wouldn't go ahead without volunteers
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more and understand everyone plays a roll to make the event what is it. I’m just going off the information I read, thank you for clearing up what actually was going on.
@glaabaglooba
@glaabaglooba Ай бұрын
Thank you for your work, man. YOU are the real hero. 💪
@brettjohnson9453
@brettjohnson9453 Ай бұрын
That’s ridiculous that you still have to buy lunch. I volunteer for small local events and it’s very common for the organizers to provide lunch or vouchers for the on site food vendors
@captaincords5133
@captaincords5133 Ай бұрын
Noticed how the comments are turned off on the Crankworx press conference video!
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Haha you know something isn’t right when that happens 😂
@LaurentiusTriarius
@LaurentiusTriarius Ай бұрын
I rarely disliked KZfaq videos in the last decade but they mostly had all one thing in common; comments turned off😛
@aaavellone
@aaavellone Ай бұрын
I love that you are talking about this. The riders are not asking for that much. Everyone should be asking for what they are asking.
@deedontworry
@deedontworry Ай бұрын
Respect to the riders! ✊
@dalelumsden1634
@dalelumsden1634 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Deano, good luck with the big decisions ahead.
@danharvey3096
@danharvey3096 Ай бұрын
Regarding the appearance fee, although the top level riders do other events to bring in money for their sponsors which gets distributed to them, & then they have their vlogs and stuff, the incoming riders which dont have a name already dont have that. So they have to pay their own way there if they wish to compete, and then if they dont have a frame sponsor or arent able to get their own bike over they have to borrow another riders bike, & often the pro riders pitch in their own money as a group to help non pro riders get to the event.. So an appearance fee would go a huge way to making it a fairer & more varied competition without always the same riders who are the only ones with funds to make it over..
@vincentkambach9262
@vincentkambach9262 Ай бұрын
Some riders also mentioned that getting insurance for such events is very expensive so the appearance fee would also help there a lot. But I don’t know how this is solved on other bike events or if all riders pay insurance for themselves.
@alincdhr
@alincdhr Ай бұрын
I hope the DH guys get united as well. UCI has really effed up the WC racing. The TV schedule, screwing the privateers, prize money, etc.etc....
@kruuuber
@kruuuber Ай бұрын
Good on you Dean. Appreciate your bold and honest opinions on these matters. Keep it up and all the best! xx from Norway
@Coolcmsc
@Coolcmsc Ай бұрын
That itch 🎉 Lots of ways to scratch that one 😊 This vid was excellent. I can see how an occasional newsy / reflective piece based on your experience and gift of insight into how to ‘meet the real person’ would work really well with you longer form interviews. Has my vote🎉 Also, I like the new pics / logo 😊
@mahniclear1583
@mahniclear1583 Ай бұрын
super interesting podcast, seems like some positives changes could come of this.
@adampotts5911
@adampotts5911 Ай бұрын
Good stuff deano good to see ya on da mend bruda keep chippn away
@finleykirsch
@finleykirsch Ай бұрын
UNITED FOR SLOPESTYLE 🫡🫡
@Happy_Biker
@Happy_Biker Ай бұрын
They don't feed the athletes??!! 🤯That point alone is crazy!
@tl924
@tl924 Ай бұрын
Seriously mind blowing, the promoter basically does nothing.
@elijahwinger
@elijahwinger Ай бұрын
I sure was bummed to not see the event, especially with so few events per year
@HazeePublications
@HazeePublications Ай бұрын
I have been to the last two crankworx in cairns. Regarding the catering, I have watched the riders eat from the same 3 food trucks as every spectator at the event. Blows my mind there appears to be no nutritional concerns for athletes from the organisation.
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness Ай бұрын
I sure hope so.
@jamesdorsijiuhjuh6151
@jamesdorsijiuhjuh6151 Ай бұрын
STAND YOUR GROUND!!!💪💪
@deanparker3559
@deanparker3559 Ай бұрын
I think their demands are pretty fair, one crazy in a foreign country, and 2k not going far
@energ8t
@energ8t Ай бұрын
No food is criminal. $2000 appearance fee is chicken feed.
@MrMysto
@MrMysto Ай бұрын
Sell 3 p3’s there’s the 2k
@martynashton3607
@martynashton3607 Ай бұрын
Liked it.
@MyBetsie
@MyBetsie Ай бұрын
Interesting points. Volunteers at a world cup might get £30 a dat compensation for travel etc. taking a weeks holiday will cost marshals etc 150+ a day to be there to support the scene.
@SuperRobbro
@SuperRobbro Ай бұрын
Dean. Don’t ever stop doing what you’re doing. Your opinion is very valuable and it makes us think and talk about it even more. I appreciate you and what you do.
@OneBigMobb
@OneBigMobb Ай бұрын
Good to hear your point of view Dean. Money aside, this has to have been brewing for a while.... can't help but think Crankworx has spread itself too thin with how many stops they have now and how long each event runs for.
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
I agree and the timing isn’t great as well.
@jeddartjusticemtb6676
@jeddartjusticemtb6676 Ай бұрын
Very interesting points Dean .IMHO you would make the perfect riders union Representative if your not too busy 👍
@mozsombi
@mozsombi Ай бұрын
THIS should have more likes, take mine
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Haha thank for that! Little bit too busy right now though. Might put out a few more videos though.
@jacksonfrewMTB
@jacksonfrewMTB Ай бұрын
It’s an interesting topic. I think it’s worth noting that they have always have had accommodation and I believe flights covered. They did stop covering alternates lodging this season. Also worth mentioning there prize money had already increased over last year. It’s an interesting precedence and I’m curious what happens for cairns. Also going to be interesting for all the other athletes at crankworx risking their lives 5x a week for no lodging and no appearance fees.
@mitchellvangrieken3900
@mitchellvangrieken3900 Ай бұрын
I think the best time to strike would have been just before Crankworx Cairns's 2nd run. The first one proved it worked, but striking just before the 2nd one could've given everyone a real scare about the viability of an extra leg.
@BryanHoefer
@BryanHoefer Ай бұрын
A strike is not a bad option, but a strike the day before the competition is a bad look. Striking that last minute screws over the fans and turns a lot of people against the riders. Striking/ boycotting the event needs to happen as far in advance as possible. The riders (and the riders' union in DH) need to be public long in advance that a strike is a possibility and why it could happen. This helps get fans on the riders side and helps prevent fans getting screwed by the strike as much as possible. Slope style riders screwed the pooch in their execution this time.
@WattySCFC
@WattySCFC Ай бұрын
They’d been talking to the organisers for the entirety of last season about this. That’s why they strikes because it was time for an ultimatum
@BryanHoefer
@BryanHoefer Ай бұрын
@@WattySCFC the way the riders went about it was all wrong and ended up screwing over lots of fans. They should have been in any media that would listen leading up to the event, publicly stating their concerns, and stating that if they were not addressed they would strike. That lets fans know what could be happening and keeps fans on the riders' side. Want to pressure crankworks to make change, lower ticket sales by publicly announcing the possibility of a strike so fans don't bit tickets.
@Mezzarino
@Mezzarino Ай бұрын
It’s not that much of a demand, but it’s also for the athletes not on a big payroll
@Mcfc2Rich
@Mcfc2Rich Ай бұрын
A lot of money, time and effort went into building the course, the event ect, i feel bad for the fans who travelled to have this sprung on them but i can understand why. Being a pro MTB rider must be a nightmare. Such high stakes
@VvvnimaL
@VvvnimaL Ай бұрын
A nightmare lmao, that's a dream job for most.
@Mcfc2Rich
@Mcfc2Rich Ай бұрын
@@VvvnimaL why aren't you one then?
@VvvnimaL
@VvvnimaL Ай бұрын
@@Mcfc2Rich do I really have to explain that most dream jobs don't come true?
@maaduece5132
@maaduece5132 Ай бұрын
​@VvvnimaL it's not.a job if your having to pay to compete
@VvvnimaL
@VvvnimaL Ай бұрын
@@maaduece5132 yeah totally don't get any sponsor money
@darkbluesheep2514
@darkbluesheep2514 Ай бұрын
Slopestyle is a much smaller field of riders compared to DH so I guess it's easier for them to unite behind a common goal. Going to be very interesting to watch this play out at Crankworx, if the fold for slopestyle do they then have to fold for all the other riding types too... I doubt they will back down based on that alone
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Be interesting to see how it does end up playing out.
@luffyluck
@luffyluck Ай бұрын
I think because it's invite only and they benefit from rider socials, vlogs etc, they should provide travel and accommodation. I don't necessarily agree with paying them to show up though. Keep it as a contest.
@BestKiteboardingOfficial
@BestKiteboardingOfficial Ай бұрын
Do you think it's fair to expect riders to travel half way around the world, probably a $2,000 airplane ticket, plus health care insurance for the chance at 3 bits of prize money while they are selling worldwide media rights, advertising and licensing? Without riders they have nothing, we're watching for the riders, not the organisers.
@luffyluck
@luffyluck Ай бұрын
@@BestKiteboardingOfficial Did you miss the part where I said they should pay travel expenses and accommodation? This is done by Darkfest and riders are always more than happy to drop-in.
@incredible5587
@incredible5587 Ай бұрын
They did mention safety it was for medical when people get hurt, like i think they want them to pay any injury fees. I felt bad for Jake Atkinson he worked hard to make it there for the 1st time. I do agree it was a bad time, there was a big boost in 2020 and 2021 but its since gone down. i live right next to highland bike park and in 2020 and 2021 the lines were insane compared to 2019 but 2022 and 2023 there has been no lines, used to wait 30 mins between runs just to get on the lift.
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
I missed that part, thanks for filling me in. I think that is being felt all around the world.
@Chip_in
@Chip_in Ай бұрын
Hope the ladies got a bit extra for their runs. Sucked not seeing the men's slope style ⛳
@MrMysto
@MrMysto Ай бұрын
How’s frotha’s injury update going? Is he good to go for the worlds?
@jaredchild2618
@jaredchild2618 Ай бұрын
mount beauty dh hasn't been the same since you stopped riding one last edit plz
@alanblurr1265
@alanblurr1265 Ай бұрын
l think the worst thing about this is that Crankworks did not say anything about this, but the difficulty for down hill is so many riders rather than slopestyle is only 16 riders. but see what will happen going forward? But with UCI a lot of officials get payed way more than the riders
@martylondon6729
@martylondon6729 Ай бұрын
Hi Dean, I get your side where the athletes need to get something out of competing to cover their own costs etc. But also think of it from a spectator point of view, where thousands of fans buy tickets to watch the athletes partake in their sport. Do these fans get compensated for the price of the tickets. It was a pretty low way to try and get this issue resolved.
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
I see both sides, I just want it to be fair for everyone and athletes be compensated for their effort. I hope they can work it out.
@silviodeangelis1342
@silviodeangelis1342 Ай бұрын
That is how a strike works. It is the riders' right to not race if they are not happy with the t&c's, especially those that are self-supported. Some riders may have to discuss the decision with their teams (those few that are on actual contracted salaries) and sponsors, which I imagine were supportive. All others have no obligation with nobody. If anybody wants ticket compensation they should talk to the organizers of the event who are responsible for delivering the show.
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
Compensating the fans is a decisions crank works is going to have to work out since it’s their event and caused this. They are the ones who didn’t compensate riders enoug
@TwoWheelRover
@TwoWheelRover Ай бұрын
The issue is never about comparing what the volunteers get vs the riders/staff. If the parent company/organizers cannot afford to cover costs like travel, accommodation and board they cannot afford to run the event. There are plenty of other industries where this is standard for all staff/talent. There is no event without the riders. No labor or Talent without compensation. Most of the riders outside of the top 10 have jobs and take a financial hit to ride in these events. $2000 US is basically minimum wage for a month. Its pathetic that Crankworks thinks that this is not possible. Work it into the budget or cancel the event.
@jotathompson3647
@jotathompson3647 Ай бұрын
The Meals and accommodation for top 12 ranked riders should be paid for by the organisers, ALL riders/competitors must still pay the entry fee to the competition, world top 5 ranked riders $1500usd appearance bonus payable upon completion of a top ten finish $750 for rest of top 10 riders, also the top 12 placed riders receive travel cost to next round of the series.
@azztex
@azztex Ай бұрын
thanks for the insights
@ddrowdy2
@ddrowdy2 Ай бұрын
Hey guy's guess what, If you don't want to compete, others will replace you with big BIG smiles on their faces.
@MrOby10
@MrOby10 Ай бұрын
The with with this is slopestyle is such a niche sport that 24 riders are so much better are so much better than the next 14 riders so the sport would definitely suffer from that
@ddrowdy2
@ddrowdy2 Ай бұрын
@@MrOby10Actually, the race would be just a good because a race is a competition between those who show up. The times would be slower but the competition would still happen. Race promoters know this, racers sometimes don't.
@chrissinclair3136
@chrissinclair3136 Ай бұрын
picked on a small even not Crankworks in whistler to make this statement......hmmm. Pay insurance travel costs are legitimate issues. It should be protested. Make. a stand at whistler, make a stand at Redbull Rampage.
@BOOSTEDDUDE
@BOOSTEDDUDE Ай бұрын
I personally feel it was denying the riders any catering or meals that sent them over the edge. I hope they can find a happy medium and get what they deserve.
@issosim7464
@issosim7464 Ай бұрын
riders just need agencies that build training spots and competition, and sell the show.
@carrotsandrunning
@carrotsandrunning Ай бұрын
This is a really arse backwards situation. Got to look towards the sponsors to increase pay and cover hotels and flights. They're the ones getting their products seen at these events. The event covers the prize pool but beyond that there's zero reason they should be paying appearance fees to anyone. Otherwise they'll just have country-scoped events and pay no-one flights anyway. No mountain bike event is going to pay 32k per gender for one discipline plus flights/hotels etc. The schedule change is an ok demand, although i suspect less people will show up to see the event if its too early.
@glaabaglooba
@glaabaglooba Ай бұрын
Completely agree. Sponsors cough up the cash.
@MrMysto
@MrMysto Ай бұрын
Let Ryan ride
@yaboicrabmeat7356
@yaboicrabmeat7356 Ай бұрын
Emily Johanson, Erika Fedko, Nikita Rogatkin lmao. Love the dudes but still gotta talk shit on account of them ruining my saturday and all...
@MrMysto
@MrMysto Ай бұрын
Same aye, Nikolai could have warned me before i bought a 1kg brisket
@yaboicrabmeat7356
@yaboicrabmeat7356 Ай бұрын
@@MrMysto That legitimately saddens me. what a waste of festive meat.
@Rooster1172T
@Rooster1172T Ай бұрын
How would Kelly McGarry feel about this? Definitely not the right direction at all.. Its the same as any other women's sport. Its good to see the woman having a go but its not making the money because they are not on the same level. I waited up to watch it only to find out that the men went on strike? A couple of no footers, bar spins and superman seat grabs is no where near the level and intensity of the pro men
@zoomer1787
@zoomer1787 Ай бұрын
women did not even have the chance to compete until now. Give the scene some time to progress. The women killed it for their first time! also lets see flip combos over gigantic jumps from you before you say it was not hype enough...
@kevinfife1498
@kevinfife1498 Ай бұрын
Go back and watch one of the first mens slopestyle, it was at a similar level.
@Rooster1172T
@Rooster1172T Ай бұрын
@@zoomer1787 I used to ride professionally..
@HAZNATIONBIKES
@HAZNATIONBIKES Ай бұрын
its almost like we haven't had 10 years of slopestyle competitions 🤔
@Coolcmsc
@Coolcmsc Ай бұрын
@@Rooster1172T That just makes your reply all the more surprising. Context is everything, as you know. Until I read you’d been a pro, I’d planned to explain about the difficulty this course designed for the best men in the World (you know, like you), that it’s the first Diamond level race, that the focus which was already on them was increased by the strike and that it had rained the night before and the woodwork was still skiddy-damp and the pre-jump compressions were still soft. But now I realise you made your comment knowing all that…
@jptothetree
@jptothetree Ай бұрын
Obviously the athletes need to be paid more, but I can hardly believe that your accommodations aren't even covered. Like what the actual F*CK.
@marauder7412
@marauder7412 Ай бұрын
What i wanna know is, how is your hair so beautiful all the time????
@donczns
@donczns Ай бұрын
Interesting to know the stats but i enjoy all the crankworx events so why should slopestyle earn more than the other disciples. Invite fee for all riders makes more sense, maybe less prize money to cover it
@jokermtb
@jokermtb Ай бұрын
Crank-doesn’t-werks
@Madivnar
@Madivnar Ай бұрын
I think this slopestyle strike could have a small affect on DH racing too, I see slopestyle far more individual than DH, as DH racers have teams etc, so if group of athlethes that are more idividual managed to unite, maybe the UCI team will be a bit more careful and opened to riders requests.
@troydavis4848
@troydavis4848 Ай бұрын
Yea I don't understand how they can't pay ALL riders an appearance fee when they have to be making good money. Maybe they need to check some of these schedules having to fly across the world for just one event and they have what 5? To fly too, I can't imagine how expensive it is just to fly to these events not including lodging and food. SMH I'm glad they are standing up for themselves but others and the future.
@PawnSacrifice
@PawnSacrifice Ай бұрын
I think with slopestyle it's clear who people are there to see, but does that then become unfair on riders in other disciplines? I imagine Bulldog, Blenki and George, Jess and so on, are a draw. For DH, this isn't going to be popular but I think the current team needs a chance to play out their plans, things can't change overnight. I think boycotting the race would be a bad idea in downhill - there's too much at stake for the privateers, if they race without the top guys that's a lot of UCI points and fewer headaches for them and less money to qualify for future races, and how does that then impact the overall and protection for some riders? Hardline Tasmania was absolutely amazing - the event team had an athletes' village, food laid on, spiders, and good prize money, which they can do because there are 30ish riders there, that cannot scale out to world cups, if world cup riders use Hardline as a use case for demanding similar in DH it's just going to further the argument for smaller fields. Sorry, that was a big long and not exactly rosy. Love your work Dean, really pleased this is working for you, post race life, still want you around the sport please :)
@markfitzurka9995
@markfitzurka9995 Ай бұрын
Don’t get me wrong I do back the athletes but don’t the sponsor cover those things? I feel like every rider has a billboard on their jersey. I guess they are fighting for the upcoming riders but if they are that good of a talent they are going to have sponsors
@mrallmine150
@mrallmine150 Ай бұрын
Good video and thoughts…but I am not sure Crankworx is suffering given all the viewers/views the events get which directly leads to ad sales.…I don’t think 2 grand per rider is too much to ask…the over biking industry, especially bike sales is hurting big time but not events like this or Hardline or Rampage etc…
@itwasanewdayyesterday2586
@itwasanewdayyesterday2586 Ай бұрын
you need to talk about mtb dude
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Think I might start to get back into it.
@schenker1993
@schenker1993 Ай бұрын
Why don’t riders release how much they get paid. If it’s really as low as they say the fans will back them.
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Would be good to see it all on the table
@silviodeangelis1342
@silviodeangelis1342 Ай бұрын
@@DMs.withDEANWhat they earn doesn't really matter, though. Until the relationship between Crankworx and the athletes is not regulated by a mutually agreed, formal, contract with obligations and penalties for both sides, the riders can do what they want, and rightly so in my opinion. Also, there always seems to be a weird attitude towards people that are in jobs that they enjoy, like mountain bikers: because they do something they like then they should have no right to complain about anything. Of course, there is no obligation for anybody to pay somebody else for riding a bike but there is also no obligation for a rider to risk their life under t&c's they are not happy with.
@rudemotos137
@rudemotos137 Ай бұрын
Riders are having the absolute p##s taken out of them. I'm shocked to hear.
@dannycolerain7479
@dannycolerain7479 Ай бұрын
How much money does CrankWorx make off of the events? A who's who of sponsorships. Are you telling me they can't afford to pay these guys an appearance fee???
@joshsaltandlight6946
@joshsaltandlight6946 Ай бұрын
Good to hear an honest review. Volunteering is free. To help event run. Athletes are paid to be there. Also. Maybe each rider deals with their sponsors about these issues. Seems to be about money. More than safety. How many riders would love to be in their shoes. I’m all for safety. But have a reality check. People work full time jobs to afford a small time to watch and ride. Over all. Poor form.
@bcbikeboard322
@bcbikeboard322 Ай бұрын
These riders get paid so little, I'm in disbelief. Is Redbull just not generating any profit to pay the extreme athletes they've aligned with? Counter to that point, the world has opened up post COVID and the entire bike industry is on the decline. People are out and about, travelling again, striking at this point in time might not lead to better conditions, and it could kill the sport and the event. A bunch of good hard working citizens just burned a lot of cash and time to go on a trip for the first time in maybe half a decade, they'll likely never watch a slopestyle event again and counter protest due to their financial loss and ruined experience. They're walking a fine line and what I'm hearing from the riders is 'we're not interested in doing this anymore unless there's fair compensation and treatment for all involved'. Fully agree, each athlete deserves 5K minimum for their attendance with flights and hotels paid for. And what I'm hearing from Redbull is there's not enough revenue being generated to pay you to do the thing that isn't really popular enough to generate a profit. If slopestyle dies I'll be sad, I think we've also seen it reach it's potential in terms of the tricks that are being and have been done. It's been pushed fully to the limit, the question is if these guys will be able to pull a Semenuk and carve out careers in other industries while putting out web edits. Because I don't think these events and courses are going to exist in the future for them to ride after this. Hell of gamble.
@maddb3457
@maddb3457 Ай бұрын
I can sympathize with the riders. Still a lot of their sponsorships happen because they are on TV and they have an audience. Take away live compeitions, does it really pay the companies to give money and bikes to these riders with limited reach? The riders get the audience and the organizers make them look bigger than life and it all takes money. Should the sponsors pay for the riders appearances? Should they just compensate the riders more so they can pay their own way. Take away the tv time everyone loses. Look at the tour de France. The race itself pays the riders little. The athletes get the money from the teams and the sponsors. Tdf is in the top 10 of all watched sports. Stage wins can earn a rider €11,000.Wearing the yellow jersey each day brings in €500.The points classification (green jersey) winner gets €25,000.The king of the mountains (polka dot jersey) also earns €25,000.The best young rider (white jersey) receives €20,000.The most combative rider of the tour is awarded €20,000.Team classification winners share €50,000. The elite riders make millions in tdf but earn nothing for second overall.
@Pshady
@Pshady Ай бұрын
Money is tight for many people, but not at the top.
@sambrockgareth
@sambrockgareth Ай бұрын
It you think Crankworx Rotorua is the top your aiming low bro there is no money in it our government pays for a lot of it I know the organises and they don’t have a pool of cash to just hand out
@blubug768
@blubug768 Ай бұрын
Event organizers put on events for the riders to make their sponsors happy, event organizers arent giving salaries. If the organizers are putting on a good event the riders should want to be there so that their SPONSORS (the MFs that PAY them) see their contribution/value for the company. I know this is a L take, but this to me has womens soccer teams complaining that the men get paid more vibes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@butchgreene8718
@butchgreene8718 Ай бұрын
Bad look to screw over a local economy w/ thousands of workers, businesses, volunteers, fans & a supportive community who put off all their plans for just this week. Nothing changes without ALL elite riders formalizing an official Union that provides a single negotiations portal. Riders join, can’t race unless a member of the union and the union reps represent the riders annually in that years negotiations. The only power you have that is advantageous AND viable for organizers and riders alike is a union who works on compromises and solutions IN ADVANCE. This poorly executed action may mean NO events in the future. If I’m an event organizer, I now develop a contingency plan moving forward that ensures I don’t lose my shirt on an event. First action I take is to NEVER invite those dudes again. Good faith negotiations should have happened 6 months ago. They only hurt themselves and their future opportunities.
@noelcgray
@noelcgray Ай бұрын
It’s hard when they’re your friends, but the guys that will break from the union and ride for themselves anyway are what unions call Scabs, and they gotta get ostracized. Scabs get put on a list and are not welcome to participate in union events. And you have to hold that standard or the entire thing falls apart. You’re all in this together. Anyone who breaks that trust has got to go.
@christianobermeier7862
@christianobermeier7862 Ай бұрын
somthing goes definitely not in the right direction. I love and watch the slopestyle brews the last 20 years so it is so sad when people risk their life for pushing the limits and get absolutely no financial safety.
@DMs.withDEAN
@DMs.withDEAN Ай бұрын
Hopefully they can work it out.
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
@vbspec94 “the women had to get paid or they wouldn’t ride” Thank you for proving the point Then that means there simply isnt any interest from women rider and demand and market for them. And that is OK. Not everything needs to be an equal distribution and representation. Where are all the women plumbers and roofer? Or is equality only for cushy office and media facing positions? The men built this entire industry. There would be no accolades for the women riders to aspire to it it weren't for the men When you take half the pot and give it to the women you are taking it away from the men. This is special treatment at the EXPENSE of the men. Not to mention they are not putting out the same level of product as the men so why should they get equal pay? They should build up their own following. The women are piggybacking off the decades of men who built this sport up and coming in at the end getting equal pay. Again, special treatment
@Bob_Shy_132
@Bob_Shy_132 Ай бұрын
It's the me too thing without much investment.
@donczns
@donczns Ай бұрын
Disagree the women were awesome and hopefully inspire the next generation. Give it a few years and the women are breaking into darkfest, hardline and other freestyle events. Was cool that the crowd supported them so well.
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
@@donczns ok you have fun watching mediocre riding. I’ve seen 16 year old boys throw down better runs at a random bike park day
@donczns
@donczns Ай бұрын
@@huckfin1598 winning woman was amazing, backflip with one foot off is pretty cool watch the progression in the next few years.
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
@@donczns but does it equal what the winning male run could do? If not then why are they guaranteed pay and an equal amount for top rider?
@andrewrivera4029
@andrewrivera4029 Ай бұрын
You are young, you got your whole life ahead of you Dean, go back to school, start a business, help people, read the Bible do not throw it all away for a dream 99.9% of the human race cannot achieve for a million different reasons. There is nothing more important than your health.
@JustJake77
@JustJake77 Ай бұрын
The riders didn't handle this like professionals... Thus isn't how business negotiations work... They will lose out on this one... And learn som hard lessons about business economics... They are an expendable product.. There is literally thousands waiting in the wings to do what they are doing.. And they'll do it for nothing by financial comparison...
@yaboicrabmeat7356
@yaboicrabmeat7356 Ай бұрын
Also want to add. If Crankworx ACTUALLY needs more money they should do events in the U.S. or the U.A.E. waaay more money in these countrys, it just seems obvious.
@GerardLambert992
@GerardLambert992 Ай бұрын
Never understood how people accept to be volunteers for profit based organisation. I'm volunteer too but for non profit org only. Otherwise its just exploitation no ?
@vaughanboyce3702
@vaughanboyce3702 Ай бұрын
I travelled, payed for my tickets to see a no-show... Really piss poor from everybody involved in the event, I will not return next yr and many more also so thanks for turning the general public off the sport. If these slopestyle guys had a backbone they would've put on a few runs for the kids.
@LongbranchOlivetti
@LongbranchOlivetti Ай бұрын
I think a fair solution you be this: Scrap prize money. Pay all riders who commit to every stop a salary that covers travel and accommodation and no more. And then anything they make from sponsorships is their profit. My opinion is that the safety thing is just something they threw in to justify this strike. If they were worried about safety they wouldn't be frontflipping over huge gaps. And the timing of the strike was appalling. What it did was take away the little coverage the women would have got, and focused everything on the men. And that's to not even talk about the thousands of people who paid for tickets to watch the event.
@IHaveN0Steeze
@IHaveN0Steeze Ай бұрын
Crankworx needs to be abolished. Greedy people who usurp the money from the riders; honestly, they don’t care about the health of the riders. The riders are correct.
@MrAlanmurphy
@MrAlanmurphy Ай бұрын
All the Māori got big pay checks in Rotorua tho it’s a crock of shit. Mountain biking is full of e-bike Karen’s and it’s going downhill just like surfing did
@lynxg4641
@lynxg4641 Ай бұрын
Wasn't a strike, it was flat out extortion given the amount of time they gave the organizers, they had the entire off season to get bring this up and get it sorted, not show up to the event and then days before drop theses demands after the organizers and fans have spent the $$. FYI as someone who's volunteered, you're giving of your time, free and yes you expect to be looked after with food, without the damn volunteers, most MTB (sports) events wouldn't happen. Riders are sponsored, their riding is how they give "product" to the sponsors, if they can't negotiate decent enough deals to cover their cost from their sponsors, that's your fault. I'm waiting for Crankworx to cancel the next event and see what happens, because there's no other series that actually gets the coverage they do.
@silviodeangelis1342
@silviodeangelis1342 Ай бұрын
It's not all about $$. However, about $$, the riders have also spent $$ to attend and they will lose income from not riding (either directlty or indirectly). The difference between you and the riders is exactly that, you volunteered and it's not your job. For them it is a job, most "self-employed" or on very short term contracts. They are certainly not employed by Crankworx. In fact they have to pay to join the Crankworx circuit. It seems fair that they should have the freedom negotiate t&c's. Of course, Crakworx is also free to disagree with them and/or invite other riders to the event. Ultimately, Crankworx sold the tickets and profits from the events; it is their responsibility to deal with disappointed spectators.
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
Everything you say would make sense except they GUARANTEED THE WOMEN RIDERS GOT PAID. That proves there was enough money but the event decided to go with special treatment and an agenda a
@vbspec94
@vbspec94 Ай бұрын
​@huckfin1598 the women had to get paid... There aren't enough of them to even doban event. I'm all for inclusion but you can't start an event if there aren't enough participants. Only 2 women have ever competed at hard line. Red Bull isn't going to have a women solo Hard Line now. I have no dog in this as I enjoy the highlights and would never watch a full event. So I know I'm not the demographic. But I do agree the timing was odd.
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
@@vbspec94 that means there is NO MARKET FOR IT. If the women don’t want to ride then THATS OK. Market has spoken. That’s not equality, that’s special treatment and at the expense of the men. When you give half the pot to the women you’re taking away from the men that BUILT YHE ENTIRE INDUSTRY UP Not everything needs to have equal distribution if all demographics. Where are all the women plumbers and roofers? Or is equality on when we are talking about cushy office jobs and public/media exposure positions?
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
@@vbspec94 “the women had to get paid or they wouldn’t ride” Thank you for proving the point
@foardhook
@foardhook Ай бұрын
No time is a good time. Crankworx is a for profit spectacle. The spectacle needs to be paid. It was a non event in Rotorua. No disrespect to the ladies but I had no interest in watching it. Now it gets complicated. The sport is only sustainable if the people are willing to pay to watch it. The tracks are incredibly expensive to build, no doubt heavily subsidized by local clubs by way of free labour etc etc. Then the crankworx body comes in capitalizes on everyone's work and collects the check. The first step would be an audit to see what is involved here. Are they actually making any money? None the less what the guys proved is they are the show.
@JoUtan01
@JoUtan01 Ай бұрын
Hey dude are you transitioning ? you can be multiple champion in womens category ! Diana Lucas sounds good
@dCip77
@dCip77 Ай бұрын
lol your a returd
@VvvnimaL
@VvvnimaL Ай бұрын
Slope is dead as fuck, hands down one of the most boring bike contests out there. Its just the same tricks over and over with an extra bar or whip added in
@issosim7464
@issosim7464 Ай бұрын
that's what the asphalt cyclist said.
@VvvnimaL
@VvvnimaL Ай бұрын
@@issosim7464 I ride everything other than road bikes and trials, try again bot
@user-ym1ft7kj9t
@user-ym1ft7kj9t Ай бұрын
Lmao they want free meals? Then show up early and hep setup, and stay late and help breakdown the event you whiny losers!! Those guys arent very smart obviously lol
@H3avyHaul3r
@H3avyHaul3r Ай бұрын
c’mon who takes slopestyle seriously…its like watching womens sport
@MrMysto
@MrMysto Ай бұрын
It’s a gateway sport to Rampage podiums, where down hilling is a gateway sport to Rampage Injury
@heathfranklin4296
@heathfranklin4296 Ай бұрын
From an outside looking in standpoint I am curious as to whether or not the women were taken care of in manners that the men weren’t. I know we’re all supposed to walk on eggshells around the woke community and organizers however it seemed like everyone #CelebratesTheWomen’sSlopestyleEvent.GoodForThemHoweverNo oneShowsUpInDronesToSeeBackflipsAndSuicideNoHandersSimplySoTheyCanFollowANarrative?ButNo oneWantsToAddressThis
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
The entire strike was bc the women riders were guaranteed pay.
@HAZNATIONBIKES
@HAZNATIONBIKES Ай бұрын
as an insider, no we weren't(what a stupid comment), we competed because it was our first opportunity and we don't feel the need, as athletes only just coming in, we fully supported the guys choice, and they fully supported ours.
@HAZNATIONBIKES
@HAZNATIONBIKES Ай бұрын
The only time I ever hear the word "woke" is from guys like you hahaha
@huckfin1598
@huckfin1598 Ай бұрын
@@HAZNATIONBIKES were all women riders paid? I know you won’t answer bc it’ll destroy your whole stance
@HAZNATIONBIKES
@HAZNATIONBIKES Ай бұрын
@@huckfin1598 we were paid the same as if the men had dropped that day?? How is that destroying my stance 😂
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