Give it a rest dude.

METAL BENT read 1 Corinthians 5

That's what I'm doing! No sad evil holy men involved!

I agree. John Piper is off base on this. Repentance is not about doing Penance or punishment. It is about changed behavior. If they are "living in sin", then the best way for them to show repentance for that is with a marriage, especially if we are talking about what has been a defacto committed marriage for years. It does not take a big party, just a simple service with a witness, and it can be done that day. If you want people to do the right thing, help make it easy for them to do so as soon as possible. Don't hold the hoop higher to see how high the are willing to jump. Absolutely do not invent silly rituals to "restore virginity" that is long gone. Mend the breach and move on.

Right believing is living right. If you don’t believe what makes you think you will live right? Jesus said do the will of the father. Your life in Christ is a testimony of your true faith.

@Rodrick Evans They're now married. Reading is fundamental.

Well 1) unfortunately many married Christian couples live together without having sex and this does not please God I Cor 7:1-7 2) What took you 2 years?? If you were convicted about having premarital sex (good by the way) and stopped having premarital sex (also good), why did you not take the simple and obvious next step and go down to the courthouse immediately and get married and have all the sex you wanted??? God does not get a kick out of watching you struggle in temptation. Al he asked is that you took the right step. Better to take them in the right order, but if not get'er done soonest and make an hinest woman of her and legitimize your child. God did not want you apart, he wanted you married.

If you are living in sin because you are having sexual relationships with your boyfriend/girlfriend, you produce fruits worthy of repentance by getting married. ^^^ by that I assume Piper means: the couple ackowledged sin, decided to stop living in sin (by repenting, stop fornicating), wait until after they're married to have sex. Producing fruits worthy of repentance is that entire process (repent, turn back, do it God's way = get married). Acts 3:19 "Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out" 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." We've all sinned, we received forgiveness (through Christ Jesus) by repenting, thank God for His grace, mercy and faithfulness.

YOU HAVE TO REPENT FIRST!

We had a couple come to Christ in our church, they weren't married but had kids. They wanted to get baptised but felt the holy spirit say to them they should get married first, which the church was more than happy to help them out with. So I would agree with you.

@@markdurdle7710 Thanks for sharing that testimony.

@@younousid9789 No Piper didn't say that Pin 8 did. He is saying the act of marrying IS an act of repentance from this sin. "Handing virgin bodies to each other" while a pretty thought is not going to happen, so a phony "waiting period" to "re-establish virginity" is silly and not Biblical. Now if they are going to stay together then get married that day. No need for a big party. Get a license and do the civil ceromony later at the courthouse if need be. Repair the breech. There is no objection to them living together or having sex -just doing so without being married. fix the step that was skipped. There is no point to waiting and the magic and mystery is gone for good. Any internal penalty that brings they will have to deal with. We don't have to beat them up about it. It carries an internal penalty. Are you going to require proofs of virginity from couples who are not living together yet may well be having premarital sex and refuse to marry them as well?

So help them to stop practicing adultry and repent (change their behavior) and get about the job of living better. Faultfinders and revilers don't inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, either ... what does that say to you?

Hi Rick i'm moved by your comment Reading from what you mentioned yes you were baptised but I don't think you had a relationship with Jesus because Baptism does not save us Only in Jesus salvation is found. 2Corinthians 5:17 when one is in Christ is a new creature. Meaning the life of sin is difficult to tolerate when you are in Christ. Jesus said to Nicodimus unless he is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Therefore i'm saying to you it is not too late God's hands are widely open to receive those who repent and run back to him. Mathew 11:28-30 Jesus said " Come to me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest. 30 For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light.” We first repent from our sins and put our Faith in Jesus believe in him the moment you do that you are saved that is to be born again and the evidence is the holy spirit that God freely gives those who believe in Christ and He will transform your life he will give you a new heart then baptism can follow. Romans 10:9-11 "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame. You can still Marry her will be a right thing to do. You can still Mary her that will be the right thing to do, you won't be sinning. Because is evident that all along you didnot know that it was fornication. My name is Johannes I will be happy to explain the gospel to you here is my whatsapp contacts +27823596068

@Rick Young The Old Testament is tricky to understand until you've ready the New Testament. If you haven't read the New Testament, I'd recommend switching to it for now. Also make sure you have a version of the Bible that is in modern English. (Or if English is your second language, find a version in your language that is modern and not old fashioned.) I gave a friend of mine the New Living Translation. Also pray for a good church that preaches according to the Bible. It will be easier to understand the Bible when you have others who are able to teach it. Thinking that it's too late for you is what Satan wants you to think. It's not possible to "do too much" for God to accept you. Jesus was brutally tortured and murdered and all of God's wrath was placed on Him. If you're in Jesus, then the wrath part is over for you. Jesus took it for you. All that is left for you is a new supply of unending mercy and kindness every day. Jesus washes away the past and makes everything new. Don't give up hope.

Just make sure you are not reading the Passion Bible or Mirror Bible and be sure to go to a good Bible believing church. Not a church that says you can't be saved or points out a "to-do" list but also not a church that says pretty words that make you feel good and doesn't talk about sin and salvation by faith alone (no saving works). You good works are shows you are saved but they are not what saves you just like baptism doesn't save anyone (as Johannes Choma here mentioned). Remember, no sin is too dark for God to forgive. Remember Jesus always tell told people "go and sin no more." This means, surrender every aspect of your life to Christ and don't make sin your habit. Also, don't fall for pastors that tell you to show your faith by sending them money. Pray before you read your Bible. You will slowly start to understand. Read verses or chapters through so you understand the contexts. Remain blessed in Jesus name.

Rick, What God is upset with is the adultery and lack of stability. This hurts your children, your wife, the partners of people you cheated with, the people you cheated with, and it destabilizes the society in general. So: 1) You need to stop the cheating and perhaps you already have. If you have not done so get some counseling to help figure out why you are doing this and how to stop. Repentance is a change of behavior. Change your behavior. 2) You have asked if there is any hope for you. Well, you are essentially a male version of the woman at the well. John 4:1-42 It seems Jesus was willing to deal with her. Consider also the case of the woman caught in adultery in John 8:1-11. There, after everything, Jesus said simply “Go and stop sinning.” He did not say she was hell bound. That takes us to your current circumstance. 3) Your son is not doomed. Ezekiel 18:1-4 says it is the one that sins that God holds responsible not the son. However, your behavior has certainly damaged his potential for a stable family of his own and set a bad example. Set a good one and repair the damage. 4) Can you marry your current partner (or anyone else for that matter) and if you were married could you stay with that wife? Millions of Christians are caught in this dilemma today. I am one of them. If you had asked me this 5 years ago, I would have told you plainly to obey Mat 5:31-32 and similar verses that seem to say that remarriage after divorce except when you were the innocent party in a case of adultery IS adultery and leave your partner and stay single. You were free to remarry after your first divorce because she cheated. I did not remarry for 20 years because I divorced my wife for her abuse not adultery. However, I suggest you watch thus video and consider what it saysand pray about it with your partner. It may provide you with another option. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l7yJarZjurXIYac.html&ab_channel=MessianicTorahObservantIsrael It suggests with what I believe is valid reason that there was a translation error here that changes the meaning. If you agree, marry your partner promptly. Staying with her out of wedlock is not a valid option. And do not cheat on her. You have effectively been married to her for 12 years. Forget about parties and fancy ceremonies or moving out

My friend Rick, the answer to your questions is GRACE. Ephesians 2:8 “for it is by grace you have been saved that not of yourself it is a gift of God.” THAT NOT OF YOUR SELF, Rick listen to me. You need to fall on your face before a holy God a scream out to Him have mercy on me a sinner. Romans 10:9 “if you say with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead you will be saved.” Cry out to the only name under heaven to be saved “Jesus Christ”. Repent of your sins and call on His name. This is not a intellectual belief this is a, I’m at the end of my rope and I need You and I will surrender all I have to you because I treasure you above all things. Love you man

I’m in this very boat now, I was homeless for many months after being kicked out of my family home, I was living on friends sofas. Thankfully God lead me to an amazing Christian women who has helped me out of that hole I was in. We live together now (remaining abstinent) both supporting each other financially (we couldn’t afford rent in London separately) We want to get married in the near future. But people in these comments make it sound like living together in general is a sin, I can’t find any scripture to back that up. Some people just assume if you’re living together you’re having pre marital sex

@@frayfog There is no scripture to back it up as a sin, as long as you are abstaining from anything sexual. However, this is not the norm and shouldn’t be recommended, as it’s very hard to do and most will fall into temptation. Not advised, but sometimes it is the only option.

Bingo!

Anything against the perfect law of God is sin

@@saved6655 Are we under the law?

@@jvolstad what is sin is your question. Scripture says any transgression of the law. Christ did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Do you think you can go off and murder because we were saved by grace through faith alone? Antinomianisim is a heresy. I know where your going Roman’s 6:14 says “we are not under the law because we are no longer slaves to sin.” Which is correct we are now new creations with new desires and those new desires are to follow the moral law because we have been saved by faith alone. “If you love me you will follow my commandments” (John 14:15) if you love me comes first, so if you love Christ there will be something that happens. It’s called re born, new creation with new desires. Are we saved by law? absolutely not but are we to follow the moral law? absolutely. “You show me your faith without works I will show you my faith by my works”. (James 2:18) “If the Spirit is testifying with your spirit you will be killing the deeds of the body” (Roman’s 8:13-15) They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed. (Titus 1: 16)

How is cohabitation a sin? It's possible to live with someone and not have sex you know

The Nuetrix If you don’t desire to be physically intimate with a woman that you’re living with, one, you aren’t attracted to her. Two, if you are attracted to her, she’s not attracted to you. Three, if you’re not having sex now it’s only a matter of time before you do. Four, every couple that’s living together and says they’re not having sex is lying to you. Five, for every one couple that is living together but not having sex there are nine couples that are. And six, the Bible tells us to avoid even the APPEARANCE of sin. So, if you’re living together as an unmarried couple and you’re telling your unbelieving neighbors and friends that you’re not having sex, how many of them will believe you? My guess is zero. And the other thing the Bible tells us is that we are not to put a stumbling block in another person’s way. So you’re living together outside of marriage, even if you’re not having sex, will embolden other believers to move in together while unmarried. And, for the sake of argument, let’s say you do have the fortitude to refrain from having sex outside the bonds of marriage, that doesn’t mean everyone else can. And thus, by your example, many will follow your lead and fall into sexual sin. And God will hold you accountable for causing others to fall. Hence, your premise that couples can live together and not have sex is fallacious.

All sin has both temporal and spiritual consequences because it is rebellion against God and disrupts society. And we all sin. It is easy to repent of this particular sin - go down to the courthouse tomorrow, pull a license and have the judge marry you for a couple of bucks. If you want the big party have that some time later when and if you can afford it. Temporal effects here are devaluing marriage. Less stability for the children. Unraveling society and the list goes on. If you are in right relationship with God , you do not ask the question of which sins can I keep committing and still go to heaven but rather how can I sin less. It's the wrong attitude that is rebellious.

Because the purpose of marriage is to glorify God and be an example to the world of what a godly couple is. Because to marry a couple that is not repentant would be acceptance of their sin. If they are getting married merely because "its the next step" rather than to repent to and glorify God then that marriage is fundamentally flawed. The Lord will not bless a couple that is getting married simply because "its the next step". The Lord will however bless a couple and their union if it is built upon faith in Jesus Christ and obedience to his commands. To marry a couple that is unrepentant would be to glorify their past and continuation of sin.

@@user-nj5cl6xs4n No, just no. The purpose of marriage is to bond two people together as a committed family unit for sex, procreation, raising children in a stable environment, and supporting each other. Yes, all our lives should glorify God, but that is not our purpose. Our purpose is to love other people. Pam Harris is right. If the couple screwed up, we all screw up. Help them "un-screw up" as soon and painlessly as possible and get on with living as Gpd would have them live.

@@johnbreitmeier3268 Our purpose as a follower of Christ is to glorify Him in all things, big and small. We do that by obeying Him which, yes, includes to love others. Loving someone does not mean you condone and/or accept everything they do however. Especially if its a matter of sinful behaviour. If you love them you encourage them and help them recognize the sin so that they may over come it. You dont just let them continue in it and you certainly dont celebrate it. Like in the subject of the video, if that couple is not repentant of their sin living and the marriage is just a thing of convenience then it is a celebration of that sin rather than a rectifying of that sin.

@@johnbreitmeier3268 id like to hear one single verse that says that loving others is more important than to glorify God. I can tell you numerous verses that say the opposite of what youre saying

@@apracity7672 Jesus apparently never heard of you. If he had He would have told you that the only way a person can glorify God at all is to love the people God put around you. Through your love they have a chance to see God. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.” Mark 12-30-31 But I guess you know how to glorify God better than Jesus who is God. Yes I know that that is 2 verses if you wish to be literal, Pharisee.

There is no such thing Biblically as a homosexual marriage. So by biblical definition, marriage is between a woman and a man. So yeah. If two of the same sex are "married" they should be divorced from that "marriage".

No you are just not a perfect Christian. Are you perfect Donna to be throwing the first stone?

@@johnbreitmeier3268 1 Corinthians 6:9

@@dlu8666 Yes, I am well aware of the verse and the whole epistle. It is amazing to finally find a completely perfect person who can read the Bible without understanding it. Have you never stolen anything, not even someone's reputation? Have you never wanted something someone else has? Even thought about it? You are reviling people right now. You seem to be the sort to have blackmailed your siblings growing up.And I bet there are other things not on this list you have done and are doing. I am not defending any of these sins nor "shacking up", but you better look at the big picture. It ain't just fornication that God hates. A The Apostle John says all Christians sin. I John 1:8-10. He says if you say you don't sin you are a liar and not a Christian. Argue with that John. Then repent your hypocrisy and go help a fornicator find the right path with some kindness and humility.

I'm really sorry if it's a bother to you, but could you explain how getting them married would lead to their salvation?

By being married, they would be no longer living in Sin, or indeed with the temptation to commit the sin of having sex before marriage. Pastor John is saying he would not marry the couple unless One of them left the house first. utter nonesense.

Absolutely Jack. That little peace of paper means nothing to me. But the vow I made to both my Wife and my Lord God means the world to me.

Kenny Nicholson I think you're missing his point. He's saying he wouldn't marry an unrepentant couple, so even if one of this couple moves out but they keep sinning by, for example, having sex, then he wouldn't marry them. Getting married doesn't earn a person salvation.

Kenny Nicholson Also, I didn't hear anything from this message about John Piper wanting anyone to sleep on the streets, but I'll ask you this, which is worse, sleeping on the rough streets or living in sin?