I thought that the general reason for Tiny 10/11 was to enable things to run more smoothly on lower end systems, especially those with small amounts of RAM. So for me, this gaming test was not really in the right ballpark to begin with.

Friendly advice: debloating won't eliminate bottlenecks from gpu, run these tests again on 1080p then we'll talk.

An RTX 3060 at 4k? And you expect improvements from the OS at 4k? Please stop wasting our time.

The benefit of de-bloating is in reducing memory and disk space. the reduced cache would also mean less swapping/disk usage to load those apps when they wake up And, perhaps more usefully, reduced downloads for updates of now-not-installed apps. The latter is why I am using it to build a system for someone who is on satelite internet.

Yes mate, be interesting to see how tiny 11 compares on a more modest system as I suspect that is what it is meant for

I would like to see a test of a lesser system. My GPU is rather wimpy.

I tested Tiny 11 vs Win11 for battery life, thinking fewer system resources would show an improvement. My test was very limited, but one commenter suggested that the reason Win11 got the better battery life was because: the relevant Windows services that optimize for battery life were missing from Tiny11.

Yes please run the test with a CPU bound computer because that will show us whether or not tiny 11 is worth the effort since we have to make it ourselves

I installed Tiny11 on my laptop and it ran much better than Windows 11. Yes I would love to see you test Tiny11 on a lower end system

Hi friend, I would be interested in seeing how the Tiny 11 operating system works on a computer that is 10 to 12 years old.

I am fairly certain that most folks that are looking to reduce the amount of telemetry data that is being collected by Microsoft. Maybe you could do some comparisons between default Windows 11 and a Tiny11 install that compares the amount of data that leaves your computer without your knowledge. Additionally, I am fairly certain that the number of running processes is dramatically lower on Tiny 11 upon initial install.

With the processing power and speeds we got today, finding any practical differences is probably next to impossible. Turn back the clock to when terminating a bloat process made an immediate noticable difference, debloat made a heck of a difference. These days, I think the shift needs to be more concerned with keeping telemetry and privacy robbing bloat from running in the background.

Dude you have a crazy build out there. there's nothing much to change in those numbers. Even gaming in default windows 11 I doubt it uses at 100% your memory. basically it designed to improve the performance of low-end pc like something with i5 cpu ,8gb ram like that.

Appreciated your video! I recommend checking out the Ghost Spectre ISO as well.

As you said, would be interesting to see performance difference on a lower end system, or on 1080p res as the CPU bottleneck will be more prevalent

This was great and it goes to show you even bloated W11 is optimized enough at least for gaming.

I doubt there will ever be much difference between a fresh stock Windows install and a debloated one in games. What I believe would be noticeable is a difference in daily tasks, especially on older hardware with less RAM, or older/cheaper laptops that some just use to browse the web, watch a movie, KZfaq and so on. So just opening/loading a browser or an extra tab and watching a YT video would be much better on a debloated system that has like 4GB-8GB of RAM and a slower CPU.

Tiny 11 is meant for older/entry level computer systems. That's where you see the difference in performance. Laptops are still being sold with 4GB of RAM running Windows 11, and that's where you will see the performance boost regarding Tiny 11.

I did the debloat with the answers file and installed the new image this morning. Gaming performance hasn't changed much, but the snappiness of the system in navigating around various things, including just internet browsing is noticeable. Not to mention the boot time being mere seconds. I like it. And now it only contains exactly what I've installed and nothing extra- the way it used to be.

I concur with your conclusion. I created a Tiny11 image a few days ago but haven't installed it yet. I plan to put it on my Surface Pro 7 (Core i5 1035G4, 8GB of RAM, 128GB storage). The extra 10GB of storage on the NVMe would be nice. I also frequently fill up the RAM. Between Windows itself, 3ish GB going to the Iris G4 GPU, and memory hogs like Chrome/Edge, it's hard to keep enough RAM open for any real multitasking. I do use some stock Windows features that Tiny11 removes so I'll have to add those back, but I expect to see an improvement regardless. Maybe this week I'll test it - after my important meetings, just in case the install goes pear shaped.

As I found out the hard way, de-bloating MS Windows 10 does not last past the first day it gets to "call home" - which is why my current MS Windows 10 can't "call home" which bother me not at all, 'cause the other side of the dual-boot is Linux Mint which is quite safe to allow internet access.

If tiny basically frees up memory, wouldn't the biggest gains be on systems either with lower memory (e.g 8 - 16 gb), a cluttered hdd, or both? I feel like windows tiny is more likely to effect how quickly a game/program will load, rather than how fast it will run (since ultimately that would be hard ware dependent). It might also give performance boosts in more loaded scenarios, e.g. alt-tabbing in and out with a bunch of browser windows open.

I would like to see you speak more about the differences between high-end and low-end CPUs. I notice a huge difference between my computer that has an Intel i5 and my other computer that has an Intel Celeron. The i5 handled a Windows 11 update not long ago that caused my Celeron to go dark. I replaced the OS on the Celeron with unbloated Win 11 (X-Lite), and it (so far) is running much better. Do you think Windows 11 is a one-size-fits-all-CPUs system?

I remember complaining about XP taking over a gig of drive space, and declaring that I'd stick with 2000 as long as possible.

going from 4gb of usage in cached ram to less than a gig sounds amazing enough for me. if i have to install windows 11 eventually, i might just get the tiny iso version so that i can save on ram. because not all of us can get the latest ram sticks when ever we want.

I installed Atlas OS on my laptop recently. My specs are i5 5250u 920m 4gb and 8gb ram. I am getting much better performance than originally. If i have to compare the differences between original and after debloating, id say are 2 to 3 gb free ram since i dont have Win Defender runnning in the background anymore. Games not that much fps difference but yeah stability is more. I can now run Discord smoothly without it all the time hiccuping at every step of the way. Discord barely would even run properly on default win10 for me. Im guessing that if you have a good system, a debloater really won't show a difference since your system is good to begin with. The performance definitely shows when you are on an older system. I am not gonna go back to og Win10.

Can I set a new system from the start with tiny ?

Loading times are the main benefit tho. Everything is just SO much snappier on a debloated system. And as some said here, CPU bound and/or 1080p tests are the relevant benchmark here.

Kinda expected that result, but maybe with the other rules it may look different. Would be interesting to see how it performs when CPU is a bottleneck or maybe even a RAM bottleneck (say 4 or 8GB of RAM) and in general a low end PC. Thanks for the video!

Debloating significantly helps some old systems 2010-2017 era, and low ram/cpu cores, and especially it helps with HDD. I have some old Intel Celeron 2 cores 2GHz, and 8Gigs of ddr3 + HDD as the system drive. Without debloating the system is literally not usable even for browsing/text entry. But with debloat it become almost as fast as the 5GHz systems (minus the launch speed obviously because of HDD).

You have too much ram and too high end of a cpu to see the difference. Drop down to 8Gb and test that on tiny vs regular, then do a test at 16Gb and then finish off with the 32Gb. What you’ll see the difference is mainly in ram amount and speed/cache and not just a “wow tiny 11 is great”.

Amazing clear and objective review of the two OS

I tried tiny 11 on a old Q6600 system, even on a unsupported and old system, it didn't make enough of a difference for me to even care, at least for just general use.

It would be interesting to see this test done on a very cheap laptop from a big box store like Walmart or Best Buy since they come packed with bloatware from the factory.

testing the difference on low spec config makes a lot more sense than doing in on high end configuration. afterall, a big reason why people prefer debloated version of win11 is because they're running weaker systems. your time and advice in this regard is well appreciated.

My memory fails me, but back in December 2022, I came across one of your videos about debloating Windows 11. I had just purchased a new Acer with 11 installed. I don't remember what the program was that you suggested, but between that and my own experience, my Win 11 is quite comfortable to work with. So, thanks again. 👍

I was going to make a tiny 11 iso. Now im not so sure. I would love to see the test again on a different system.

Yes I want to see it!! When is it coming out?? Hope you are doing awesome!!!!

Great review. I was planning to do a fresh tiny 11 insall on my 13600k + 3080 system for 1440p gaming. But, after watching this video. Doesn't seem like its worth the hassle. I was hoping for better FPS improvements.

The reason the performance was pretty much the same is because that os is designed for power saving and to be for low end systems with not much ram and since the ram the games were using was not gonna go over the maximum, no performance was throttled down, so Tiny 11 losing was just because of course there will be some variations of cpu and usage and other stuff and it just got more unlucky with it

4k benchmark in GPU capped scenario is exactly type of workload you can't see difference in between Foundation OS that is lighter or heavier on CPU cycles. I play just 3 games. Tarkov, Apex legends, COD. all of these are CPU capped perforamnce boost is 3-5% to 1% low fps and framegraphs conserning frametime are much smoother.

This channel needs more attention!

Also from a video that I saw, you don't have those hardware restrictions like windows 11 currently has. Like the TPM, CPU and secure boot for example.

I think the catch for Tiny 11 is the lower install size - if you use a 64 GB-ish partition which you are backing up on a flash drive. I have a dual Windows 10 system. The initial idea was to have a Windows Online and a Windows Offline, I ended up using them both online, but the "Offline" has a Steam with a Steam library that has the single player offline games. There is a huge pressure on this partition, because that's where the saves are. And I'm planning to keep this the same way even when I'll upgrade the SSD drive, prior to the release of Starfield.

On full blown setups like yours and mine aint gonna see much difference in performance. I would like to see the the comparison on a lower spec pcs. Im gonna be getting a NucBox5 which is 4 core 4 thread intel pc. Debloat iso might come in handy there.

I'm not a gamer at all. However, you and all of us have often complained about how many times Windows 11 et al have to "phone home." We've heard tell that Windows is little more than spyware in and of itself. Were you able to see an increase or decrease in internet message traffic to and from Microsoft or other sketchy domains? I hope you may find this an interesting parameter to test. Mahalo for all your efforts heretofore! Aloha.

I think that most of your benchmarks were GPU based since you played games on ULTRA @ 1440p, with all due respect, this is wrong Windows doesn't really utilize the GPU, it slows down the CPU & RAM by having apps on the background. Wish there was a version of this video with lower settings @ 1080p

Yeah I agree with you later in the video, you need to do these tests on a lower end or older system. Something that would struggle getting say 60FPS in SoTTR @1080p. Then the extra resources being freed up might actually make a difference. As a bonus SoTTR runs really well in Linux too should you want to compare it to a 'light' distro too. I'm Thinking the following or similar: i5 3570k Stock 8GB DDR3 GTX 1060 3GB / 6GB Stock HDD for the game and OS If you have 32GB of RAM and you free up a few GB using Tiny11 it wont mean much in day to day usage. If you are running an SSD with high bandwidth then eliminating a few background processes that taxes the drive won't make much of a difference either. If you are thinking of Tiny 11 for performance purposes as opposed to just getting rid of annoying bloat, then older or lower end systems would be the only ones to benefit.

Nice Video! Keep up the good work!

WOW those are results I would not have expected. This just goes to show that the OS doesn't have the effect you would think. I guess I don't need to see in a cpu bound system. From these results I can't see that it will make any difference in a cpu bound system either.

@CyberCPU Tech The point of using Tiny11 isn't for gaming, it's for debloating the install and removing unwanted apps and components. It's slimmed down for use on older, lower spec, systems. And in that capacity, it does very well.

Low-end system tests, please.

ty man!!! pls keep this up

Please do run the test on a lower system I would love to see the results

What real world people need is to get rid of all these nonsense applications that have bought their way into the Microsoft ecosystem. I bought a nice smaller laptop (Lenovo T14) and ran some debloat on it. I have a factory Lenovo installer, in case I mess up. What needs to be removed, and takes some of the resources, are the applications such as Office, in my case also Edge has to go, Bing, Spotify and all these so-called media programs TikTok being one of them of course. A debloat is perfect for these because the uninstall application in Windows 11 does just about nothing, it removes some of the hooks, but there is no way to totally remove Edge for instance. Do I need the space? No. Do I need the memory? Well... not really either. The other worrisome processes are the Linux distributions are now also starting to include bloat.

you ran it on a high end moderb machine, which defeats the whole purpose of tiny11 try it on a ryzen 3 apu with 8 gb ram or some other modest system with non upgradable ram it would be a life saviour

Thanks for the video was very helpful

I'm surprised I didn't see anyone talking about how cached ram is not really a big deal. Unused ram is really wasted ram. Cached ram is used to load into the system memory anything it may think you'll need, so the entire thing feels smoother than not having cached ram (loading stuff in memory when you need it, instead of before you actually need it)

Windows become smarter over the years. It will allocate sources accordingly between the apps and the game that being played so its normal not to see differences between debloated windows and the stock one.

The appealing thing about tiny11 script, is the clean slate that its offer. After that you can run the christitus script to apply sane privacy restrictions and security updates, and then you have a good windows experience.

Considering tiny 11 lost nearly all of the within margin of error results. It seems that if anything it's a "tiny" bit worse.

Is that a Flux Capacitor behind you !!! Great video I always give you a thumbs up,,Does Tiny 11 cut down on telemetry, Microsoft snooping?

I'd be interested in seeing benchmarks with AtlasOS vs default Windows 10 as in Linus' video featuring Atlas it seemed like he got a pretty decent performance boost.

Cool! You test your VGA 😁

I think That Tiny11 was targeted at low spec systems. I doubt it was created to benefit gamers. I fell that stripping all the useless features of Windows may (for some people) be a big benefit regardless of any system performance. I just want an OS that minds it's own business in the background and only does what it needs to do. I can add any other functionality I want without it being baked in. I believe an OS like that exist somewhere.

It makes a huge difference on my Lenovo Miix3 with 2GB of RAM , 64GB of eMMC and Atom processor. On a standard install all resources are spent on Windows Installer, Antimalware and Compatibility Telemetry rendering the system useless. With a Tiny install the system is at least usable.

Yes we need to Know the Lowend System's Performance.

in all my years I have never seen any games benefit from a deblote ISO of Windows. It's a sugar pill always best to tweak the OS in the registry to gain performance

Are there remarkable differences for a user who does not play games? (Let's say, a Office, Photoshop and video editing user)

The only people that I can see liking Edge are people that do not care about privacy, or fail to realize that it is keeping track of everything you do and sending a dossier back to Redmond, even when not using Edge. I go out of my way to force remove it from my system, and the jerks at Microsoft keep putting it back in my box randomly. Even when I don't "check for updates" so, as soon as I figure out how to stop that, it will be that much better.

Running a test like PCMark would’ve been a good judge of performance change.

You’ve missed the point of Tiny 11 entirely. It’s for use on PCs which don’t have the resources interns if storage or RAM to run windows 11

'It looks like bloated operating systems are going to be the new norm.' Brotha... I can remember the press over windows 95 going on at how steep the memory requirements were and how much memory above the recommended to have a good experiance. EVERY OS is the worst most bloated OS to have come out.

Note.. this is mostly on limit systems like those that have 8gb ram... And default windows uses half of it... So it's not going to work well for games that ask 6gb ram... So after removing it... You can now run 6gb ram games on low quality than not working well..... But doesn't affect your vram... So you need to upgrade that

Recovering disk space seems good enough. And also, getting rid of useless programs and icons improves user experience. And performance improvements would be probably better on low-end systems. By the way, wouldn't less CPU and RAM usage improve battery life on laptops? That would be another interesting thing to check.

Yes do that test. Love your videos

I think repeating this test on a ROG ALLY will be very popular

black mesa respect for testing it

the bis benefits are not 2fps more - its for people like me who love a clean system and hate updates which are not needed - except sec updates

So obv the point of Tiny 11 is to de bloat the avg windows install. My question is since usually for gaming pcs you bloat windows yourself in a way, does tiny 11 have more of an impact on performance with your own bloat vs windows 11 bloat plus personal bloat?

If you were to do another test, perhaps try it on a pc that's min req spec for W11

> Install a debloated ver. of OS to make cpu run better > Test all games in high res and rtx so it will depend on gpu and not gonna take advantage of light OS genius idea

Yes please! A lot of us are running budget builds.

Yes, I would like to see tiny 11 install on a lower powered system and maybe even compare it to Linux installed on the same low powered system. Thanks 4 your time

Why not just save installed disk images of different window versions and you won't have to configure different configs every time?

I was surprised that Tiny didn't outperform regular, but when you said that the games were all GPU-bound -- debloating Windows is not going to make your GPU run faster, so we really need a different suite if tests.

Yeah, please do the 1080p tests and please do include, "The Last Of Us". This game can overload a 12 thread cpu and could use upto 22GB ram!

Isn't FPS driven by the GPU, which would not be impacted by the bloateware, and spyware that comes with Windows?

2:21 "that stupid watermark that come with running an unactivated copy"

What about CPU-focused benchmarks like Cinebench, wPrime, Geekbench? The reduction in the consumption of resources would likely be more evident and meaningful in CPU and system memory performance. You could even compared the physics test results in benchmarks like 3DMark Time Spy, Fire Strike and Sky Diver.

i freakin love your intro logo. simple but effective!

I wouldn't expect a debloated Windows copy to run games better. Microsoft has done a pretty good job making games take priority on Windows. A lot of the features for Windows 11 are also useful for optimizing performance and quality of life. I don't mind the always connected nature either. HOWEVER I do have a home server running Windows 10 right now. It's a glorified file server that I also run Plex on. The base hardware is about 7 years old and I don't think I could install Win 11 on it. I have plenty of memory mind you and a decent SSD system drive, just wanted something stripped down to deliver basic file share services without all the other pointless stuff that's pushing Microsoft cloud services on you. Right off the bat, a Tiny 11 iso install doesn't force you to sign in to Microsoft services upon install(it creates a local account) and therefore it doesn't sync OneDrive and load a bunch of other Microsoft account synced junk to user profile I never wanted for a home server I almost never log on to locally. I could install/run Windows Server but that gets harry with desktop pc consumer hardware driver support. So I'm trying out Tiny11 now to see if I can recreate my server environment without issue in a VM. If so I will likely rebuild the system OS with Win 11 sepcially now that it supports Microsoft updates.

Hey just a quick disclaimer You're testing it on high end system with heavy gpu and story based games Just test it with budget system like i3's or i5's with 50 or 60 series cards at 1080p resolution on highly competitive games like apex, valorant, csgo etc you'll get to know how debloating seriously improves your 0.1% lows and highly smooth gameplay no stuttering whatsoever. stop misguiding viewers

you are using an overkill hardware, so obviously saving 5% on resources won't help a lot. Try testing it on an budget system

As others (and I) have commented, you're running this generally GPU bottlenecked, and on a half decent CPU... The gains will be noticed on lower end and/or older Gen CPUs... Whilst its a bit much to ask you to test again on older hardware, you could emulate lower end hardware by BIOS limiting the number of cores and core clock speeds... Then run the benchmarks in 1080p. And you might see the difference... All this being said, your video does demonstrate that on mediocre last gen hardware, there aren't really any gains 👍

Could you do a rundown on Atlas OS and how it differs from Tiny10/11?

I downloaded it on my old PC which only has 8gb of DDR3 ram and for web browsing it worked a treat and ran a lot smoother

One test you should do, since a lot of gamers are interested in it, is the difference in stuff like input lag between the 2 operating systems. I've seen a lot of people talk about doing debloated installs for that reason. It might benefit high polling rate mice for instance. Great videos btw, thanks for doing this kind of stuff.

Win11 has a game optimizer built in when you fire up a game so that is why no difference

Thats why i use UUPdump (to download latest build with custom apps list) + MSMG toolkit (to cut out all that i dont need) + CTTwinutil (to set proceses to manual).