Windows, macOS & Linux PRIVACY compared: why do they need ALL THIS DATA?!

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So if you've installed Windows 11 recently, you're familiar with the very lengthy setup process where you can uncheck a lot of toggles to try and limit what the OS collects.
What the OS will collect is the following:
- Microsoft Store Logs
- Network data
- Hardware information
- Accessory data
- Application-related data
- Event metrics
You'll also send complete words that you typed or wrote, not just statistics. You'll also send speech recognition data, and activity history, so every document you opened, website you visited...
But that's just what Microsoft tells you about. Recently, a youtuber called "The PC Security channel" analysed a completely fresh Windows install, using Wireshark, and what they found was is that Windows makes a few connections to third parties it never really told you about.
THEIR VIDEO: • Has Windows become Spy...
- trustedsource.org.
- scorecardresearch.com
- Bing and msn.com
- privacyportal.onetrust.com
So what exactly can Microsoft do with all this data?
Well, they have more than enough to completely fingerprint your device, they can reliably tell what you use in terms of apps, and what type of content you watch, and they also basically can have a keylogger on your computer. And finally, Windows sends some data to third parties.
Fortunately, you can disable all the option stuff straight from the settings.You can go to the privacy and security options, and go into each category and disable everything there.
You can also completely disable the telemetry service. Just hit Windows + R, and in the run dialog, type services.msc. In there, look for something called "Connected user experiences and telemetry", double click that, and in the "General tab", you can set "startup type" to "disabled".
Apple talks a big game when it comes to privacy, but in the end, is it really true?
Out of the box, macOS sends to Apple your IP address, location, and some usage patterns, like all the apps you run, and when you run them. Other telemetry data, out of the box, includes browsing history, search history, crash data, performance and diagnostic data, location information, health information if you use that on an iPhone for example, all the info you entered in your AppleID, the device serial number, payment information, everything you bought using that Apple ID, and potentially your government ID.
Fortunately, macOS lets you disable virtually everything that's being collected. You can just head over to the Security and Privacy settings, and in analytics and improvements, uncheck everything.
Now, how about Linux? Well, Linux based operating systems, or at least desktop Linux distributions don't collect any data out of the box, with a few exceptions.
The first one is Ubuntu, who will collect telemetry data out of the box, with no personal information at all. It's just hardware data, but it could still be used to fingerprint your device. Canonical doesn't currently have any ad server that I know about, so they probably only really use this to know what their users actually use and focus their efforts on that, but if you're uncomfortable with that, you can disable it at install.
Some Ubuntu derivatives that use the same installer might also have that kind of telemetry. On top of that, you have the ability to turn some entirely optional telemetry on in KDE's settings; and GNOME also has a telemetry tool that you have to install manually.

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@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

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@aetheralmeowstic2392 Жыл бұрын

Well, they recently doxxed a French climate activist to the French government, sooooo...

@Linda- Жыл бұрын

the same proton mail that willingly handed over identifiable user data to the feds causing the arrest of people who protested ?

@jmchichstudio9145 Жыл бұрын

@@Linda- yep, that's the one!

@dragnansiadoc9195 Жыл бұрын

@@Linda- This is why i changed to tutanota. But i don't know if this better.

@diogo2996 Жыл бұрын

@@Linda- "This is obviously not done by default, but only if legally forced" - Andy Yen. It's obvious that criminals take advantage of these fantastic tools, but if you use them for good, protect yourself from data collection by the Big Tech companies, and if you value your privacy, I can tell you it's still a great product, because Proton is focused on privacy, not anonymity

@Linux_ASMR Жыл бұрын

Google: if it's free, you're the product. Microsoft: if it's not free, you're still the product. Apple: if it's not free, you're still the product, it's just more expensive. Linux: if it's free, it's free.

@frankhuurman3955 Жыл бұрын

Google: If some site uses our Analytics, you're also the product as a visitor of that site.

@hopelessdecoy Жыл бұрын

Linux: if it's free it's free but you should donate to the OS if you have the spare cash although in no way required!

@poohhappy4548 Жыл бұрын

best take i ever seen so far

@ernestoditerribile Жыл бұрын

But you got it exactly right by sequence from who mines the most user data. Till the least mined data.

@davidkachel Жыл бұрын

@@hopelessdecoy You must know my ex. She calls it "extra money", instead of "spare money", but it's the same attitude. "Extra money" is what one person spends without telling the spouse, who had put that "extra money" aside to pay the mortgage. I'll just bet that you also think that if it is in the bank, it must be, "extra money"!

@Beryesa. Жыл бұрын

Apart from that, offline experience gets worse year by year.

@Hardcore_Remixer Жыл бұрын

As a Windows user, I don't notice the offline experience getting worse and worse.

@cleinz Жыл бұрын

@@Hardcore_Remixer Windows 11 can't even be installed without network access 🙁

@Tier100 Жыл бұрын

@@cleinz it is possible but you have to create a local user while creating the boot stick with rufus

@TheSimonMcS Жыл бұрын

@@cleinz It can, by bypassing the OOBE with a single command in Command Prompt at the account setup screen. Not to defend Microsoft, because they're terrible for intentionally hiding local users in Windows 11, but it's not impossible.

@flax485 Жыл бұрын

@@cleinz Just unplug your ethernet cable or turn off Wi-fi before installing.

@CCoburn3 Жыл бұрын

Microsoft and Apple used to turn telemetry back on every time they updated the OS. So turning off telemetry wasn’t a permanent solution.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

True

@andrebrait Жыл бұрын

If it even works to start with, you mean

@98SE Жыл бұрын

This doesn't happen with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (Long term servicing channel)

@CCoburn3 Жыл бұрын

@@andrebrait I was trying to pretend that it was possible. But we all know that Microsoft and Apple are going to collect your data no matter what you do.

@CCoburn3 Жыл бұрын

@@98SE But the vast majority of people don't have that version.

@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 Жыл бұрын

Switching off something in windows and get it deactivated are two way apart things.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Yeah there’s that

@musicalneptunian Жыл бұрын

Yes, if Windows is a bad faith actor OOTB, then how on earth can it be trusted to turn off telemetry in the settings? The answer is that as a closed source OS it cannot be trusted.

@freecivweb4160 24 күн бұрын

C'mon people, if Windows were bad faith actor then they'd do stuff like un-toggle your settings in one of their forced updates. Let's calm down. Oh wait, what's that, you say?

@kote315 Жыл бұрын

In fact, if you really need privacy, Linux isn't your only option - there are BSD-based systems as well as Haiku and some others. Yes, I understand that they are less friendly to most users, but it's still an option. It's funny that the most private systems are MS-DOS, FreeDOS and so on. They're just too dumb to collect any telemetry.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

True

@netkv Жыл бұрын

most private system is clearly templeOS, it sends all the telemetry only and directly to god, which is also very clearly said it does so

@carlmenger9145 Жыл бұрын

Windows 10/11 can be among the most private operating systems. Never connect to the internet.

@mirror1766 Жыл бұрын

FreeBSD doesn't have telemetry for me to opt out of though it may phone home during install if I say 'download the operating system across the internet during install'. If I cared about them tracking what I install from their project controlled package servers then I can run my own as instructions to download from original source, patch, configure, compile, and install a program + repeat for all dependencies is available as their ports system.

@sbrazenor2 Жыл бұрын

FreeDOS isn't too dumb, it knows how to use a network, it just doesn't do anything if you don't tell it to.

@RoguishlyHandsome Жыл бұрын

In general, on Linux, you only have to worry about what the applications do. There are most definitely applications that collect data.

@IanBetteridge Жыл бұрын

How good are distros at letting you find and manage this? One thing I have always liked about macOS is it makes it easier to see what data an individual app is requesting and stop it from accessing anything it shouldn't be. Sometimes this even gets a little annoying - for example, I run an installer from the Downloads folder and the first thing it asks me is if I want to allow that installer to have access to the downloads folder to run itself!

@temari2860 Жыл бұрын

@@IanBetteridge I'd say not as good as Mac OS or mobile operating systems yet. If they actively use flatpak - apps will have restricted access, but it won't ask you to change permissions on fly, you'll have to change app's permissions manually if it need's access to something it doesn't have access to, or the other way around.

@rw5069 Жыл бұрын

This is where Max exceeds the others. You can turn of all the telemetry stuff and have builtin tools to monitor what the other apps are doing.

@imelliam 11 ай бұрын

@@9ix1LOL.

@Wassup-Doc 4 ай бұрын

@@rw5069 what a load of utter rubbish have you ever actually installed anything that monitors the outgoing connections on a Mac every time you open a Mac ding every time you close an application on the Mac ding Mac ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding constantly on the actual connections it sends more telemetry data I think than windows

@MINI_91 Жыл бұрын

It's nice to see some sponsors that are actually relevant and interesting to the kind of content I watch.

@musicalneptunian Жыл бұрын

I say this as someone who uses an ad blocker 100% of the time: I WILL WATCH IN VIDEO ADS LIKE TUXEDO THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE VIDEO.

@kerg6223 11 ай бұрын

Yes! I actually watch the sponsor part all the way through if it's RELEVANT to the video I'm watching!

@FighteroftheNightman 11 ай бұрын

@musicalneptunian ok but what about raid shadow legends ads on random videos of all topics rofl

@miket.220 Жыл бұрын

Good lord, I thought Windows 10 was bad with telemetry. This is insane. So glad I switched to Linux Mint, best computing decision I've made in a long time. So glad modern distros are so far along and so much easier to work with, made switching a no-brainer.

@EmiyaSyahriel Жыл бұрын

@@mattbergman2788 Some job can be done on Linux as efficient as on Windows tho, I'd say that you can actually work with it depending on what job you're working on and which distro you're using.

@rincasifutsume Жыл бұрын

As an animation student, it's pretty tricky to get required apps working on Linux, especially Toon Boom Harmony, it outright does not allow wine. And yes, we have to send project files for grading to our professors so really I can't get away with just using Krita. But I still can get away with using Linux for personal projects however.

@whisterwhy Жыл бұрын

@@EmiyaSyahriel only thing that keeps me from switching 100% to linux is the fact that adobe animate/flash doesnt work very well on linux. but setting up dual-boot fixes that problem. I'm sure i will switch to another program eventually but currently nothing beats the ease of flash workflow for me. I just need to learn how to animate on blender or krita as well as i do in flash.

@w01dnick Жыл бұрын

@@mattbergman2788 and what is problem for you? Ago, there were several problems: ms office, games (not work), drawing/designer tools, CAD systens. Offline office became less relevant, LibreOffice is much better now, also there is OnlyOfffice. Games aren't a work. And their support is much better now. So only real stoppers are for designers (2D, 3D, CAD).

@attomic5319 Жыл бұрын

@@mattbergman2788 I'd wager that for most workflows that don't depend on Windows-only software, Linux can be made to be much more efficient. For example KDE lets you set custom shortcuts for basically anything you want to do on your PC (eg. opening a browser, maximizing windows, etc.). That's contrary to Windows, which only makes that possible through third-party software like AutoHotkey, which has an obscene learning curve, and takes up additional resources. Windows really can't compete when it comes to user experience, unless you use your OS as a bootloader for Chrome. It's designed to be good-enough. And let's be honest, there's a reason why they've blatantly copied from Linux projects in the past, and are still continuing to do so.

@minekey29348 Жыл бұрын

The worst part is we PAY for Windows or MacOS! Either bundled into the cost of the hardware or in the case of windows, as a separate license. So much for the axiom "if the product is free, then you are the product". Oh and now Microsoft wants to cram their AI spybot BS into windows whether you want it or not!

@CZ_Cr4sh Жыл бұрын

I'm a bit out of the loop, what AI Spybot BS?

@dhimantsoni5 Жыл бұрын

@@CZ_Cr4sh bing chat AI can now be used in Windows, no longer just the browser

@CZ_Cr4sh Жыл бұрын

@@dhimantsoni5 Well. Once Windows 10 goes the way of the Dodo, I'm reformatting my secondary drive and using it for storage, cause fuck that. I'd just rather not play Warzone.

@nathanl2966 Жыл бұрын

@@CZ_Cr4sh LOL, you probably said that going all the way back to windows 7.

@CZ_Cr4sh Жыл бұрын

@@nathanl2966 Nah, I only swapped full time back in 2019. Also, here's the mandatory I use Arch btw.

@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 Жыл бұрын

7:53 As any experienced Windows modder can tell you, this is not even close to enough to fully turn off Windoes 10 or 11's required telemetry. You also need to disable several other services and even scheduled tasks, many of which are hard-permission-locked and require running processes as the TrustedInstaller token - that is, a process permission mode beyond run as administrator, to succesfully modify. This requires using a specialsauce, undocumented sequence of Windows API calls, and no tools bundled with Windows offer this functionality to the user. This special ACL tier is exclusively reserved to the TrustedInstaller service out of the box, which does the actual work modifying Windows files and registry keys during Windows updates and is also the basis for the Component-Based Servicing system and the System Integrity Protection services. Using a specialized 3rd-party launcher is the only way the user can run any other processes in this effective root access state in order to modify the configurations only it has access to. And these tweaks get automatically reverted by Windows Update after a while anyway... without notifying you, the user who clearly manually changed these settings if they're not set to their defaults, of this. So if you want any of your hard work to stick, killing Windows Update, ensuring it can't turn itself back on and effectively killing the OS's self-repair capabilities is also required. I personally use Linux, and if I ever need Windows, I use pirated Windows Enterprise on a VM as a base, and then apply multiple sets of tracker blocklists, registry tweaks, and filesystem and Windows feature removal lists on top of that. And then use a custom script to update Windows and then re-do every single change I made to the core OS automatically.

@duckrinium Жыл бұрын

No Internet = No Privacy concerns! (Maybe, idk if someone figure out data collection through USB or something)

@no_name4796 Жыл бұрын

Stealing data from USB? Nah that is definetely not a thing, expect it is a thing

@alternatuber6698 Жыл бұрын

When I was servicing as a soldier we did not plug USB when transfer data but CD/DVD :D

@vektrr Жыл бұрын

@@alternatuber6698 I was servicing here in my country (obligated), and I know that you have to ask permission to plug a pendrive on any computer, but in my case was infantry, so we didn't use computer none of the time.

@mrcvry Жыл бұрын

And with a subscription of a youtube channel you will be send a CD every month. 😁

@HaniiPuppy Жыл бұрын

> Amazon Sidewalk has entered the chat.

@technoWZ5598 Жыл бұрын

Open BSD is apparently very secure

@dominikheinz2297 Жыл бұрын

The OS is very secure, yes. But it doesn't protect your privacy per-se. You can still get fingerprinted in the browser. Security != Privacy.

@aleksejs_kruks Жыл бұрын

@@dominikheinz2297 curl

@mrcvry Жыл бұрын

Brave, LibreWolf…

@technoWZ5598 Жыл бұрын

@@dominikheinz2297 Yes, I know that. BSD is locked down more so than Windows.

@litemint09 Жыл бұрын

i tried openbsd, and it lacks the programs that i used for my workflow, I switched back to Linux.

@zodoturtle3779 Жыл бұрын

Debian also has optional data collection. If I remember correctly, you choose before anything is actually installed or setup. I usually allow it but not always. If I know I will be installing repeatedly, I refuse it. A repeated install is something that happens when first trying to setup a custom build for something like a server. Allowing the telemetry would actually skew their metrics because nearly all those only last a few hours at most.

@abdrmak2632 4 ай бұрын

How is that possible

@InGenSB Жыл бұрын

Apple was caught few times when mac os was ignoring privacy settings (including VPN)

@nathanl2966 Жыл бұрын

Yup, it's surprising how many times they just happen to 'accidentally' drop the ball and breach privacy/data, oopsie doopsie. 🙄

@imelliam 11 ай бұрын

You are talking about a broken implementation of VPNs on iOS, which contrary to the understanding of those that love to criticize Apple despite not knowing any simple basic facts about it, is NOT the same as macOS.

@imelliam 11 ай бұрын

@@nathanl2966care to tell me about this number of times they were caught doing something terrible?

@freecivweb4160 24 күн бұрын

@@imelliam 🦗 it's the sound of crickets 🎶

@eDoc2020 Жыл бұрын

I read an old article (~2002 probably) recently about telemetry Microsoft added to Windows 2000 with SP3 and the authors were naturally very upset with Microsoft. What were MS spying on back then? A list of installed applications. Nowadays if they did that we'd be shoveling praise because of how little data that is. Times have certainly changed, and in this case certainly for the worse.

@AzureDragon158 Жыл бұрын

Bloody hell, Windows data collection is actually disgusting. The fact that they're even allowed to do all that, some of it heavily obfuscated, is beyond fucked up.

@notjustforhackers4252 Жыл бұрын

"allowed to do all that", you allow it, its in the terms and conditions. Governments ain't gonna do it because they get your data from Microsoft.

@evilleader1991 Жыл бұрын

US government has direct access to information from all large US tech firms, this shouldnt be a surprise....

@donkey7921 Жыл бұрын

from canonical’s perspective though, opt out is much better for telemetry, the people who go out of their way are usually fans or enthusiasts and are much different from the typical person that’s just clicks “next” a million times.

@wileysneak Жыл бұрын

one small thing to note regarding macOS is that telemetry every time you open an app can also be disabled, its a security feature similar to smartscan on windows (called gatekeeper iirc?), but i rather have it off very sadly, you have to use the terminal to disable it

@NOTONtechsx Жыл бұрын

Sharing the command for turning off Gatekeeper here so you don’t have to Google: _sudo spctl --master-disable_ You can remove the `sudo` part if you're already root~

@konstantink07 Жыл бұрын

I think Onyx can do it too

@wileysneak Жыл бұрын

@@konstantink07 you're right! parameters->misc if anyones curious!

@wertperch Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this! I'm helping a friend buy and set up a new laptop, and have shown this to them. Unsurprisingly they were horrified to learn how much data they collect and use. Information like this is not only eye-opening but simply and well presented. You scored a new subscriber today!

@schemage2210 Жыл бұрын

Hasn't it been demonstrated that half those "optional" telemetry toggles are in fact just there as a placebo effect? In which, switching items off doesn't affect what telemetry Windows gathers regardless of the user preferences?

@johnatkinson1111 Жыл бұрын

Something that wasn’t mentioned with MacOS is that the telemetry never has to be turned on, during the initial setup it asks you if you want to share Mac analytics and app analytics with Apple and third party developers. Although also counter to this if you join the MacOS beta program analytics are automatically turned on when you update to a beta version of MacOS however it’s just as easy to turn analytics back off and it only turns on the base system analytics and not any of the other analytics such as Siri improvements or share with third party developers. If you were setting up macOS in a VM then telemetry may have been turned on automatically through the setup scripts rather than macOS itself.

@bionic-beaver 11 ай бұрын

My guy stop to be so innocent, those prompts asking for permission to collect data are just a visual thing, it will collect data anyway because it's bundled deeply into the kernel and OS, you will never be able to know if a closed source OS isn't collecting data. What's worse is that both Windows and Mac have actual backdoors for NSA, so you're basically never safe

@ZeerakImran 3 ай бұрын

this wasn't stated for a reason, we know why. first thing that came to my mind too. It asks you directly with zero directions and no confusing opt-in language.

@axmyoz Жыл бұрын

I so miss the Windows XP days! Linux FTW!

@thesaltypug4565 Жыл бұрын

I bought a Tuxedo laptop on your recommendation about 10 months ago. I can say that I am very pleased with the hardware, and the customization options. However, if you are in the US, I do not recommend buying as the warranty for sending it back to be fixed (screen died within the first month k had it) is only free in Europe. It cost me about $100 USD to ship it back to Germany. They were super helpful and responded in a timely manner, but I can’t justify spending $100 on top of my warranty to send it back As a side note, I had mine customized with a custom keyboard print and back logo, and when I sent it back for the screen repair, asked them to update the keyboard print (I had send them the wrong file, my fault not theirs). They kept the device waiting for another keyboard to come and print on that never did, and while I was willing to pay for the new keyboard, could not justify the $100 shipping on top of the $50ish(?) price.

@vaggelix Жыл бұрын

Thank God we have you reminding us about these things. If it wasn't for these videos I would probably still be running windows because of X thing not working in linux, but now I've moved both my desktop and laptop to linux, as well as a little nuc that runs ubuntu server with nextcloud. Next stop for me will be finding a good solution for a phone that doesn't spy on me which will be 100 times harder. No joke, keep the privacy reminders running, never feel like you're overdoing it. It's just crazy if you think about how much spying people are putting up with because they don't realise it's happening. Again, thank you Nick for keeping this up.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Glad I can help!

@musicalneptunian Жыл бұрын

For the first time in human history someone can be spied on 24/7 even in their home: Alexa, a phone and an intrusive OS like Windows or Apple and someone is the perfect surveillance capitalism lab rat. As someone who lived before the internet I feel that it's all become a nightmare fuel dystopia.

@idcrafter-cgi Жыл бұрын

it is important to check if the disabling of the telemetry really turns it off

@HisLoveArmy Жыл бұрын

Switched all my computers to Pop Os and haven't looked back. Wow I really do not miss anything. I use web version of Office and Outlook and they work great.

@DrathVader Жыл бұрын

The most telling thing about "telemetry's" true nature is the fact that it's the one part of VS Code that's not open source. If it's really as innocent as MS claims, why hide it?

@notjustforhackers4252 Жыл бұрын

Microsoft are just outrageous!!! Cheers Nick great video.....happy Linux user here since 2009, seems I'm not missing much.

@linuxstreamer8910 Жыл бұрын

for me it was since april 2019 the linus tech tips video with james & emily formally known as anthony

@chazza4368 10 ай бұрын

Fantastic video. I have been waiting for someone to make this/ haven't been able to find it. You are now my new favorite KZfaqr!

@JeffHeon Жыл бұрын

You're the only KZfaqr I know making sponsor segue funny and natural instead of cringy! Also, I like Proton Mail 😁

@jd31068 Жыл бұрын

Love The PC security channel, thanks for this. These things need to be revisited after every big update of an OS.

@igavinwood Жыл бұрын

And this is just the start of a deep rabbit hole. Nicely covered. I'll be only using Linux on my new pc, because pc stands for "Personal Computer", so it will be nice to finally have control over the items I bought and own.

@ninetysixvoid Жыл бұрын

@Dustter found the troll

@therealb888 Жыл бұрын

@@ninetysixvoid the troll has a point. With the advent of linux gaming & gaming setups proprietary peripheral softwares are a nightmare. They're needed to setup firmware updates, lighting & button control, etc Using a VM should solve it easily though.

@ghost-user559 Жыл бұрын

Linux is literally built by spy agencies

@igavinwood Жыл бұрын

Yay. A debate. Opinion is welcome, but Is there proof? And how many of you screaming spyware at Linux are still walking around with a smartphone? :D As I said. Just the start of the rabbit hole. Followed by having control of my pc. I never said I’d be free of tracking. Funny what people read and choose to respond to.

@ninetysixvoid Жыл бұрын

@@ghost-user559 but doesn't has spuware

@Daxter250 Жыл бұрын

alr wanted to rec the pc security channel who showed all those telemetry on windows 11 (wich made me outright refuse to upgrade!). great to see you mentioning his video!

@goodmew1763 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate this video, but I really need to know how they compare *without* regard to default settings. If I toggle all UI switches off, and follow the simple steps mentioned in this video (disabling a service or two -once-) are they all equal RE: privacy apart from their past conduct?

@girohead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, I'm a Linux user and fan for many reasons, but this was a nice review. Thanks for the Proton Mail tip, I'll check it out, I want out of Gmail. I have my own domain I use for my stuff, but I like a general mail when needed to subscribe, etc. I agree about Android...Chrome, ChromeOS and gmail (and gvoice) - sieves! I have a degoogled Chromebook, I call my Linuxbook, I removed Chrome entirely and installed Linux and now it's better than a Macbook Air. I like the Tuxedo PC idea. I've often wondered why everyone has to get the latest and great machine to get some new Windows update. Most people don't need 16GB or RAM, 2 TB of storage, and 4ghz, but...maybe Windows bloatware does...

@user-ue6pb4kn3b Жыл бұрын

Hi! Very good and interesting video. Can you pls also create same video, but with privacy comparing of mobile phones OS? Like iOS, Android…

@rautamiekka Жыл бұрын

Woulda been fun to include some BSD for a change ;) I reckon most packages are the same as on Linux or even less talkative, though, but a change is a change and a change is good.

@sunseedberry1238 Жыл бұрын

On the bright side, we know there is at least one thing Windows doesn’t track, whether or not you pressed the ‘disable telemetry’ button

@piekay7285 Жыл бұрын

MacOS is far more nuanced. Browsing History and other more personal data aren’t shared for Advertising, but for syncing purposes. If you don’t trust Apple with this information, disable sync. Apart from that MacOS is actually pretty good, but of course can’t compete with most Linux Distros

@eduardwalter812 Жыл бұрын

what do you mean, MacOS can't compete with Linux distros??

@piekay7285 11 ай бұрын

@@eduardwalter812 In terms of privacy

@Dosenwerfer Жыл бұрын

Great overview, however I really missed a note regarding the closed source nature of Windows and macOS, because that means you can't verify and hence cannot trust what Microsoft and Apple put in their privacy policy. If not already for their own interest, it is well known that government agencies like the NSA force them to provide undisclosed access to their users' data. Even a Wireshark test only gives limited insight. For one, the one you've shown seemed to be performed on the machine being investigated, so the results are basically useless. It is like asking a suspect to investigate itself. Second, there are a plethora of ways an OS can channel out data undetected, even if under independent network traffic surveillance. Just look at some BlackHat and CCC demos.

@ZeerakImran 3 ай бұрын

that's true. but realistically, would you go through the source code of your entire OS? You might say no but others will. Remember, you're more likely to receive help if one person sees you getting hit by something than you are if dozens of people do. Because they all expect someone else to help you. One of you will. Someone will. That's what most people think until it becomes apparent that no one will and one of them has to then do what they would have done instantly if others weren't around. I get your point and its totally valid. But its one of those things that realistically, we're still going off of trusting someone else. In the case of apple and microsoft, we can generate a reputation for them. But contributing developers don't develop a reputation. We should trust them far less. They have very little to lose. But someone is bound to spot it right? Someone else. Someone. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe the government has a backdoor into ubuntu. After all, the people that contribute the most code to linux are the same ones that are hired by the corporations which actively work with the government and secretly exchange your private data with them. Linux is not a profit corporation but it is stuck together by the goodwill of many (who unfortunately amount to very little) and giant corporations such as Microsoft (the ones we claim to hate). Linux might as well be a product of Microsoft, IBM and so on. I can't remember the exact stats but the majority of code contribution comes from those guys. Very little comes from "hobbyists/enthusiasts". Also keep in mind that linux doesn't owe you anything as per the licenses that were agreed upon downloading it and using it.

@emshomar 11 ай бұрын

@TheLinuxEXP Hello do you have a reflink for ProtonVPN too?

@coughcough6692 Жыл бұрын

I don't know Limitless OS seemed kind of sketchy I downloaded a few flat packs from the store and for some reason my internet started to lag hour after install after I turned off the PC my internet stopped lagging very strange I wonder what those packages do in the background

@igordasunddas3377 Жыл бұрын

Well - great comparison. I'd like iOS and Android compared, too. I remember there was this outrage about Unity possibly collecting data due to searching for stuff even if it was meant to be searched for locally.

@stilltoomanyhats Жыл бұрын

I remember hearing about the Unity search thing. AFAIK it was removed in later version of Ubuntu, but I'm not 100% sure

@thedanyesful Жыл бұрын

I'd suggest the method you describe of disabling Windows Telemetry is not reliable. Microsoft is known to change user settings during OS updates and their re-enabling a system service during update would be unsurprising.

@ninjanerdstudent6937 10 ай бұрын

Alright, I disabled all that telemetry on my parents' Windows 11 computer.

@nonetrix3066 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Windows LTSC with all the data collection features off and not running a "debloat" script really is any better

@michadybczak4862 Жыл бұрын

Nice research man! Very thorough!

@orion10x10 Жыл бұрын

at 4:30 in this video I felt like getting up like Ron Swanson and throwing my Windows computer in the garbage

@DG-ks5wn 5 ай бұрын

Because of telemetry and the ad servers and the software that is not installed on windows but still transports information even on a fresh install... Is it a solution to block these connections with a standalone device which is a firewall? How can someone find out which address to block because there could be thousanda of addresses out there that windows connects to, right? Is it worth it?

@EroDhika Жыл бұрын

don't forget about: 1. microsoft teams being install again and again even though it already uninstalled. 2. search engine on edge, even though you changed it to something else and its part of your sync (sync setting), it will change back to Bing once you already sync everything on edge in new pc. 3. even winaero tweaker couldn't stop windows behavior in term of personalize ads and tailored experience, even if you already check it, it will remain unchecked once you go to winaero tool (windows behavior) 4. installing edge developer, and there's a stable edge being installed too. WTH.

@YellOw139 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see this for mobile too.

@systembreaker4651 Жыл бұрын

How do i fix mouse pointer lag and freez on Fedora kde

@mrmaymanalt Жыл бұрын

Wow nice video! Really puts into perspective how far these companies are willing to go. I've been trying to get my friends to switch to linux because of this.

@elecbaguette Жыл бұрын

I'd love some tips on that if you have any! It's been a year and I've converted 1 person to our cult.

@ADarnSmore Жыл бұрын

getting my friends to switch to linux is out of the question because they all play valorant or other shitty games with invasive anti cheats that don't work on linux

@elecbaguette Жыл бұрын

@@ADarnSmore Gpu passthrough to a virtualized windows might be an option, but probably not for many reasons.

@ADarnSmore Жыл бұрын

@@elecbaguette valorant, fortnite, rainbow six siege, and probably more have banned the use of virtual machines.

@anonemoose102 20 күн бұрын

@@elecbaguettebro really not beating the cult allegations

@dougjohnson4266 Жыл бұрын

MS might re-enable services and startup programs after system updates so check it constantly.

@THeck_23 Жыл бұрын

Nice overview! :) Thanks!

@bazzeil Жыл бұрын

You didnt mention that mac os and ios still collect and send data even after the toggles are turned off. Apple states they and their partners see you toggled them off and "trust me bro" don't look. Unless you're suspected of anti-party activities, and finder doesn't have a privacy toggle to stop it from sending documents to gov agencies for "research".

@vaisakhkm783 Жыл бұрын

4:08 Wow, i thought atleast keylogger might be hidden

@dariva Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to do the same exercise with Chrome OS. I know it's probably quite bad because it's google, but as a comparison to the others.

@Linux_ASMR Жыл бұрын

I can tell you about that since I had a Chromebook before. It's the same as running Google Chrome on a computer and relying on Google for your every needs: Emails, Notes, Passwords even your files. You submit everything to Google out of the box. You can use other services or web browsers for example, but it's less convenient and depending on your device, you can't install another web browser.

@dariva Жыл бұрын

@@Linux_ASMR yeah that would be my expectations, plus adding access to wifi, bluetooth and the list of installed apps. Pretty much the same as Android now that I think about it.

@Linux_ASMR Жыл бұрын

@@dariva Yeah, whatever you do on a Chromebook gets sent to Google, it's not a private device. Chromebooks are good devices for tech illiterate people like older people or very young children that never used a computer before, but it does come at the price of privacy.

@yukiryu8530 Жыл бұрын

For now, what Linux distributions have driver support for older laptop models and are easy to use for beginners who want to try switching and adapting to Linux? And if possible, a light Linux distributions that can run programming applications smoothly like vscode/atom? My laptop is Sony Vaio model from 2012 🤔

@ambostralian Жыл бұрын

I would strongly recommend Linux Mint xfce for the lightest option that is also the most friendly to use. Although realistically the mate and cinnamon DEs don't seem much heavier to me, YMMV. I run mint cinnamon on a 2013 MacBook air and it's amazing. Ubuntu is good as well if you just want an out of the box and going experience but it has been shown to be noticeably slower in recent versions on old hardware.

@resistance1385 Жыл бұрын

I have used Garuda Linux with Vscode and PyCharm no issues I noticed it compiled my Flutter code faster than windows too

@alexandr_guluta Жыл бұрын

all of distros have simmilar hw support

@bakaa5988 Жыл бұрын

I also have a Vaio laptop with 3rd gen Intel i3 running Linux mint since 3 years ago, still working smoothly And yes, you can run vscode on any linux distro

@yukiryu8530 Жыл бұрын

@@ambostralian Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I'll try to find info and learn first the 3 differences from the xfce/mate/cinnamon version

@aceilort 11 ай бұрын

I think that people also buy Apple products for the services they propose: iCloud Private Relay is a great example, as well as Mail Privacy Protection. Let's not forget that telemetry isn't enabled by default on Macs - the user can *choose* to opt in during the first macOS install.

@jdloop Жыл бұрын

Not a windows user anymore, but confused about microsoft account [onedrive/live?]. Do you have to have an account there to run windows? -I assume all [selected] telemetry exits your machine if so. But can I run windows without having a windows account? Do I avoid any telemetry in this case -where would it send data if no microsoft account. Sorry if this is so obvious, but I gave up on Windows where possible. I have a few windows machines I turn on occasionally [and they bug me to login], but use rarely!

@eDoc2020 Жыл бұрын

They make it difficult to run a new install without a Microsoft account but you can still use regular local accounts. All of the data collection discussed in this video is applicable to local accounts. Microsoft accounts just gives more on top of that.

@dhm7815 Жыл бұрын

I've been considering Proton email. The ad was informative.

@dejsasm123 Жыл бұрын

Since you’ve been reviewing interesting distros recently, have you heard of BlendOS? It seems like it’s still in early stages but could be very cool

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

I have and I’ll definitely look at it soon!

@dejsasm123 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXPawesome, thanks and keep up the amazing videos!

@SifatUllah19 Жыл бұрын

As always, creative and very useful to people type of video ❤

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@lady_brickskater Жыл бұрын

thx for the video :) very informative, especialy since i need to bolt down my own dual boot win 11 and help my mother bolt down her win 11 too

@RoguishlyHandsome Жыл бұрын

Relying on disabling windows services is probably ill-advised. Updates can easily re-enable services or change default settings. You really have to stay on top of it.

@therealb888 Жыл бұрын

Having a script to check & disable solves it

@esra_erimez Жыл бұрын

I know this may sound crazy, but I turn on full telemetry for KDE as soon as I install Kubutnu. I really want to help the project out any way that I am able to.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

I have no issue either that either!

@manizaeim Жыл бұрын

Great work 👍🏻

@wontoonwolf6695 Жыл бұрын

"Apart from that, I've never heard of a distro that collects data in the background and it doesn't inform you..." I can name two, actually! One is Linux FX, made to look and feel like Windows 11 but was paywalled. They even suffered a data breach at one point. There's also Red Star OS. That one is an actual North Korean distribution and was loaded with spyware and trackers, even tagging USB drives inserted into the system.

@ninetysixvoid Жыл бұрын

At least North Star OS has lightweight telemetry (spyware) that doesn't slow the system like windows

@amogoose2971 Жыл бұрын

and deepin os

@fryjoinn7251 Жыл бұрын

Yes, linux is really freedom and belongs to everyone, not a few people.The LINUX you use is your own. This is the real greatness, core value and original intention of LINUX.🥰🥰🥰

@jameshegarty5454 Жыл бұрын

Is linux stable on the Tuxedo computers? I like the idea of Linux, and have used it in the past but have had trouble with it. Last year I partitioned the drives and installed Pop Os on my laptop and my desktop. It worked well for awhile but then wouldn't update, and would freeze In the end I went back to using Windows as I just didn't have the time to find fixes.

@notjustforhackers4252 Жыл бұрын

"I partitioned the drives"... that's probably why you were having issues. Windows is a real pig at messing up Linux systems stored on the same drives.

@bibasik7 11 ай бұрын

macOS asks you if you want to share analytics data when you set it up, so I'd say it's much better than Windows out of the box.

@MarvMavro Жыл бұрын

Excellent video and sick tan!

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Hahah thanks!

@TheVerrm Жыл бұрын

Happy for you that you got Proton as a sponsor. Recently started using them for my email and so far it looks really good

@authenticpoppy Жыл бұрын

Same. I've been toying with switching to them for my domain email. I'll click on Nick's link when I do.

@pl0xy Жыл бұрын

proton mail sucks, you can't set up email forwarding like in any normal fucking email service so if you ever want to move away from proton you have no way of automatically forwarding your emails from your old proton address to your new gmail or other email service's address.

@TheVerrm Жыл бұрын

@@pl0xy sure, that's bad. On the other side though you can do that probably overnight with many local email applications

@pl0xy Жыл бұрын

@@TheVerrm hmm, maybe, but vendor lock-in is always a bad sign

@TheVerrm Жыл бұрын

@@pl0xy sure, I get it and they should've implemented this. There is no excuse and we can only find a workaround like a local app, which sucks. I agree 👍

@vladislavkaras491 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video!

@danterobinson4611 Жыл бұрын

You should also add BSDs to your channel something like OpenBSD would have been cool to see in this video

@Mitch-xo1rd Жыл бұрын

Technically Red Star OS is a linux distribution that tracks everything you do, but it is only used in North Korea

@musicalneptunian Жыл бұрын

The perfect OS for Kim's big 🙏

@nou712 26 күн бұрын

Deepin, Ubuntu(any ubuntu based distro), Slax(not slackware), Sabayon, Pardus. I'm a linux user, i use debian but i would HIGHLY caution you to look at what you install and use. Oh and don't forget about honeypots like Tails OS haha...

@Mitch-xo1rd 26 күн бұрын

@@nou712 I wouldn't say tails itself is a honeypot, the tor network itself though is 100%.

@samlondon3761 Жыл бұрын

What about OOShutup10? i run this on all my Windows PCs. Does that help?

@notjustforhackers4252 Жыл бұрын

Due to Windows being closed source and scripts like OOShutup10 that basically use embedded native tools its incredibly difficult to know one way or another. They probably help to some degree but they do put a big flag on your system by not "hiding in plain sight".

@erichobbs4042 Жыл бұрын

I remember back in the days of CP/M when it was just Gary Kildall coming round your house to collect a stool sample.

@gabenfanboy7471 11 ай бұрын

so, what ubuntu does still sounds pretty harmless compared to windows and macos, or did i get it wrong?

@13thravenpurple94 Жыл бұрын

Great video Thank you

@KuruGDI Жыл бұрын

On _we need a new logo_ I don't think Tux is a bad choice for Linux. Sure, not the most stylish mascot of all times, but it's a friendly, recognisable and well known mascot. Don't tell me that a stylised window with four panes in various angles (from the right, from the left, straight on, ...) is that much of a better choice. Moreover Tux is a general mascot for Linux. Each distro has their own logo and can go as far they they like regarding styling (even it's may no longer developed, I just want to mention Cutefish OS here)

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Not a bad choice but could be modernized a bit!

@64bitmodels66 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLinuxEXP modernizing something often means ruining it. I don't want the cute penguin to become a simplified flat icon.

@netkv Жыл бұрын

The holy Tux is pure perfection

@epsi Жыл бұрын

The logo i associate with Macs is that guy who looks like two people fused together, smiling back at you innocently as you stare at the seam running down the middle. That or the spinning beach ball.

@gotothemoon5108 Жыл бұрын

Ubuntu does have tracker services enabled by default

@Mcfreddo 11 ай бұрын

Bloody good video man!

@adaaaaaas Жыл бұрын

i have blocked most of microsoft endpoints in my firewall, then turned off everything in settings, then edited registry, then used windows tweaker, still not sure. It's frustrating when you live in europe country with GDPR.

@monochrome_linux Жыл бұрын

also, 1 more thing to note is that nobody can be sure if turning off telemetry on windows/macos is even doing anything? Recently macOS was running a daemon that scanned pictures on your macs to find "CSAM" or something. I have all the telemetry disabled on my mac and still these programs and daemons run on the system and will show up in internet activity if you use a firewall like LuLu which shows up a banner everytime something connects to internet. So i did an experiment where i blocked all the connections and try to use my mac for a few minutes and boy there is a new popup asking internet access every 1/3 of a second. and all of these are some sort of macos daemons. So my trust in MacOS is very less. Linux distros are the only ones you can even trust.

@krozareq Жыл бұрын

For Windows, to be on the safer side, might want to create some firewall rules in your hardware firewall (your SOHO router). Let Wireshark run a while to pick up addresses while not doing anything on a fresh boot. Blocking some will likely break the search feature and forget about Cortana. Also don't use Edge since it will spy on you anyways. Brave is probably the best option here. Don't forget about your DNS. The Mullvad project runs DNS servers with and without adblocking.

@elecbaguette Жыл бұрын

Brave and Firefox/Librewolf Thanks

@eDoc2020 Жыл бұрын

I've added custom rules to Windows Firewall which seem to block most of the surface-level things.

@capability-snob Жыл бұрын

I enable popcon, especially on alternative arches (ia64, hurd-i386). That doesn't scare me.

@cyberlizardcouk 11 ай бұрын

I liked the ClearLinux logo. Close enough to knowing it's a penguin while looking like it wasn't designed by a toddler.

@Nomad-qm3zf Жыл бұрын

Gnome forcing you to install your own telemetry collector is hilariously on brand for linux

@ninetysixvoid Жыл бұрын

Gnome is not forcing you

@Nomad-qm3zf Жыл бұрын

@@ninetysixvoid I mean that you have to do it yourself not that you have to do it you rself in order for them to track you

@ninetysixvoid Жыл бұрын

@@Nomad-qm3zf oh yeah absolutely, that means they doesn't have a telemetry system by default and you have to install it

@loreyoungtech Жыл бұрын

Great content 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

@greghowell9986 Жыл бұрын

I’m not jumping in here to defend Apple in general, but the reference to the Apple Card and sharing card transaction data with Goldman Sachs needs some clarity. Under U.S. law, every credit card transaction is essentially a tiny loan from an unsecured line of credit, which is governed by a section of the U.S. Code, and regulated by Treasury and DoJ. Every credit card transaction, therefore, is a federally-governed and -reportable event, for which the bank must retain records. Do they run analytics on these records? Of course. They also run fraud analytics to alert you to unusual card activity. That’s how credit cards work. Outside of Apple Store transactions, Apple knows no more about your Apple Card transactions than Goldman Sachs does. Which is to say, they know the merchant and the amount and some approval and telemetry from the point of sale. The card issuing banks don’t get a copy of your receipt, and they never have. To suggest that the only goal of the data sharing is to make a profit and invade your privacy is, at best, misunderstanding how the banking system is regulated. At worst, it’s a bit click-bait-ish. As for your profile and information being shared among your devices, yes, that’s your Apple ID. It also establishes device ownership, device tracking, and allows your personal information, along with previously purchased software and media, to be migrated seamlessly to a new device, in addition to the privacy concerns mentioned. Apple does not hide what they do with it, unlike Microsoft. It should be noted that some of that information is stored in the iCloud Keychain, which is encrypted and decrypted on-device. If you then choose to use Apple’s more aggressive two-factor authentication, even Apple cannot decrypt the data, because you are the only one with the key. (Of course, if you lose the key, you are screwed. This happened to a family member not too long ago.) There is also a white paper from Apple on how Siri audio recordings are shredded into little pieces *before* analysis, to make reassembly and identification much harder. It’s Apple’s privacy stance which makes Siri a less-capable assistant. If Apple routinely threw caution to the wind, as we know Google and especially Amazon do, Siri would have developed into a much more capable platform, much more quickly. As an aside, I switched from Alexa to Siri for my smart home control, after recent stories about how Amazon is gearing up to *really* monetize audio and video data collected from Echo devices, and I would say that Siri is more or less on par with Alexa for what most people consider to be “core” functions of a voice assistant. If you have a custom-written Alexa skill, you’ll have to replicate it with Shortcuts somehow, but for most common tasks, Siri is actually good now. Again, this doesn’t excuse other things Apple does, but there is more under the hood than can reasonably be covered in a few minutes on KZfaq.

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I tried to be as precise as possible but you can’t include everything in a 15-20 min video :/

@cyborgdokey2650 Жыл бұрын

Legit video and very important information 👍🏽

@MateuLeGrillepain Жыл бұрын

Ça aurait été drôle si tu aurais mentionné RedStarOS, le distro de notre Chef Cher

@Stay_away_from_my_swamp_water Ай бұрын

the unencrypted data is much more severe issue than a ping to check if a service is available.

@OcteractSG Жыл бұрын

I know Zorin has a census that simply reports when you install the distro. LinuxFX also had a big scandals. But that’s about it.

@musicalneptunian Жыл бұрын

Deepin is the only Linux distro that has done some pretty shady spying. Avoid Deepin an d you're fine.

@cameronmoore136 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@KLiNoTweet Жыл бұрын

Video is slightly different this time, and better. More fps? However, thanks for the informative vid 😊

@TheLinuxEXP Жыл бұрын

Still 50 FPS but I tried to make things more dynamic to make the most out of the relatively drab topic 😅

@KLiNoTweet Жыл бұрын

Topic is of great interest to me, since I am the data protection guy in our company. And yes, it feels like 60 fps LOL😅

@SnowyRVulpix Жыл бұрын

For me, the most important thing is what they do with my data behind the scenes. That typing data. Does Microsoft store it encrypted or unencrypted? How long do they store it? What scripts are run on it? Does Microsoft sell it to third parties? Same questions go for everything collected by all three operating systems

@ambostralian Жыл бұрын

This is always the part that these types of conversations leave out. My classic example is people complaining "omg android tracks my location" which on the surface is horrible. But also how often do you use the maps feature to check congestion and how long a trip is supposed to take a certain time?