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Winnebago Roof FAIL!! Adding Steel to a Foam Roof

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AZ Expert

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3 жыл бұрын

I did not expect this series to be so long.
It really seems like these Minnie Winnie roofs were not built and engineered to last long. I am very surprised Winnebago put out such low quality in a vital component. I am even more surprised there is not a lawsuit.
This episode has Chad build trusses/frames/supports for the roof while I cut out the foam in order to receive the structure.
So join us as we make plans and try new things, make a tool, and learn a skill.
The gun can be found on amazon here:
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@Jeff-rd6hb
@Jeff-rd6hb 3 жыл бұрын
OMG, the soldering iron hack is brilliant!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I was very surprised how well it worked
@Premier-Media-Group
@Premier-Media-Group Жыл бұрын
When we were shopping for our past RV, we really had our hearts set on a Minnie Class C. I climbed on the roof, and it was in worse shape than this one. The sales guy didn't know it (nobody climbed up to check the roof), and he didn't care about fixing it as a condition of sale to us because "other people will jump at this unit as is"...
@MrBigmike7118
@MrBigmike7118 3 жыл бұрын
You guys do good work! Isn't it amazing all of the improvements that need to be made to factory builds.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
thank you! It's very disappointing to be honest.
@stea2494
@stea2494 3 жыл бұрын
You guys rock!!’ Man Winnebago dropped the ball what a crappy roof
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm amazed we have to do this too
@keitht7546
@keitht7546 3 жыл бұрын
Wow the trick hot knife, great Video on the roof repair can’t wait for the next part. Stay Safe ✌🏽
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@philw7174
@philw7174 2 жыл бұрын
Great re-engineering job James. I am happy that you are a business that does things right. Enjoyed the video. Happy trails!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Phil!
@markaubuchon6265
@markaubuchon6265 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Much respect for a quality repair. OEM should be ashamed.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I think Winnebago should be ashamed too!
@DesertAdventuresinArizona
@DesertAdventuresinArizona 3 жыл бұрын
I’m adding to my knowledge base - What a great repair! Thanks!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@mitchellbarnow1709
@mitchellbarnow1709 3 жыл бұрын
They need you designing their roof construction at the factory, James! I guess that it comes down to how cheaply they can make it?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I'm very shocked about this roof design. Winnebago uses good engineers and CAD but I think they did math wrong on this design.
@MrJello4
@MrJello4 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice fix, that RV will leave your shop better than new!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
That's the plan!
@RobertSmith-tq6mf
@RobertSmith-tq6mf 3 жыл бұрын
Very slick repair
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
thank you!
@TheGregWallace
@TheGregWallace 3 жыл бұрын
Question...What do you think about next time doing something like this, actually bringing the roof over the side by about 3" and putting a crown on it that way water will always run off and over the edge and it would help protect the awnings and slide outs. You can run those pipes through a bender to make a crown, use more pipes and then you can use the aluminum pipes instead of steel and then use a solid sheet of aluminum for the roof. I guess it would be like a prevost bus roof with a overhang.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I would be comfortable changing the design that substantially. I would help though.
@TheGregWallace
@TheGregWallace 3 жыл бұрын
@@AZExpert I was just wondering....It just amazes me that you would think that all of these Rv/bus manufactures would come up with a better longer lasting roof for these coaches instead of something you have to fix and inspect every 6 months. they should all be made like the roofs on the old yellow school bus. There has to be a better way to do all this stuff.
@rich7447
@rich7447 3 жыл бұрын
I just did something similar to a Monaco S series. There were already three sections of the roof that were 1.5" box steel, but that left 2 sections that were only foam and a small pieces of wood. I added 12 pieces of 1.5" box steel to fill in these sections (with cut down 2x4s a foot off center to create the curve). I still have to add the curved roof supports. All of this is being done from the inside since the coach is getting a full refit.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
wow, that's a lot of work!!
@rich7447
@rich7447 3 жыл бұрын
@@AZExpert It's not the cleanest work on a 20 year old coach either. I wanted an EPA free coach and I knew that anything that old was going to need a lot.
@ronniecardy
@ronniecardy 3 жыл бұрын
Love the way you make tools 🔧 that work i am with you never cur foam if you can make a 🔥 knife to use even if its home made way to go
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I did try to find a good commercial tool, but could find one for what I needed. I was shocked how well it worked. I tried a 150watt iron first and it was very slow.
@patrickmclaughlin6013
@patrickmclaughlin6013 3 жыл бұрын
hot knife trick is brilliant Thank You
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I was very surprised it worked too.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 3 жыл бұрын
James, I'm not feeling that the wood did much other than add weight. That is, unless you are planning to drill oversized holes through the steel tube and screw into the wood only. Either way, You Be The Man! Awesome thinking of cutting the foam with the soldering iron. Have you ever welded plastic with one? Respectfully, Kevin.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I have had to melt and weld holding tanks with an iron before too. The wood is there for some strength and to prevent deformation on the steel somewhat. We were going to weld aluminum rafters rather than screw steel, but the steel felt stronger and quicker by far.
@mikehoffman3690
@mikehoffman3690 10 ай бұрын
Amazing job.
@1floon
@1floon 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Amazing solution and execution. What kind of lip do the notched ends sit on, and how do you secure them there?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
They will be secured with heavy duty screws. The lip is resting on the extruded profile of the aluminum header
@afelix2662
@afelix2662 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched many of your videos. Thank you for taking the time to make them. I have seen you use various calks on Winnebago roofs. what is your latest recommendation for the Radius, front and rear caps and roof vents. What brand and types are the best? BTW, I have a 2003 Adventure 33.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I have a number of videos on Winnebago roofs. I recommend proflex clear on the radius
@Tony_in_AZ
@Tony_in_AZ 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a lot of work ($) for an olde RV... ? I agree with you on the lawsuit. Surprised there has not been a class action suit of some type on this junk design roof
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
It's only 6 years-old, but yes a great deal of work indeed.
@22howards
@22howards 3 жыл бұрын
I’m figuring there is more to come however when I saw the steel I was trying to figure out how you were going to tie this all together. Then it magically came together. So after the wood and Filon will the interior ceiling be attached to the installed ribs? You/Chad or both of you came up with an affordable alternative. I’m certain this will help many people. My hat it off you the both of you
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I thought about screwing the ceiling to the frames, but the logistics of lining the trusses on the ceiling panel seams was untenable. The A/C and vents actually do squeeze the ceiling and the roof together. We also glue the ceiling to the foam using expanding foam adhesive from above before we laminate. Thanks!
@wes2975
@wes2975 3 жыл бұрын
Great job guys. And what a great idea on the hot iron James. Looks fantastic!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!!
@13yearsaprepperr.jtilbury.51
@13yearsaprepperr.jtilbury.51 3 жыл бұрын
4 more inches ,,, dam ! thats what all the girls ask ! Great vid men ,,,, This is the stuff you just dont see !
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! :)
@josephleister9198
@josephleister9198 3 жыл бұрын
You guys really out-did yourselves on this one....excellent work..
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
thank you very much!
@mcasteel2112
@mcasteel2112 3 жыл бұрын
Got the carpet out in mine, living area has been gutted and not a straight screw in the place.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds about right!
@suburbazine
@suburbazine 3 жыл бұрын
Somewhat surprised you didn't center notch and then arch the cross beams a couple of degrees just to make a bit of a false crown. It would improve rigidity a bit too.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I did think about it, but the filon will only conform to uniform soft curves or will delaminate quickly. I do not want to do this again for free
@clausiusuf
@clausiusuf 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Joe-rv3ei
@Joe-rv3ei 3 жыл бұрын
Wow!! RV owners are very fortunate to have you and Chad. You guy's have gone above and beyond to correct deficiencies found in the RV manufacturing industry. Is this particular roof problem a one off or are all Winnebago roofs lacking adequate support?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
By the sound of it, this particular roof design on the Minnie Winnies is very prone to failure on the longer models.
@DutchStar443
@DutchStar443 3 жыл бұрын
This project hurts my head, but it is utterly fascinating.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that, but that you!
@badgerpa9
@badgerpa9 3 жыл бұрын
Another smart idea by James. You do a better job engineering the roof than the cheap company. Stay safe, the porn music part was funny thanks.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for both compliments!
@hillbillyrv
@hillbillyrv 3 жыл бұрын
I have done something very similar when replacing rotten OSB on a laminated floor system. Mine turned out well and I bet yours will too. Good job guys. if I had started my KZfaq channel 20 years ago maybe some of the really cool jobs would be recorded for posterity. Would that have been before KZfaq? How old is KZfaq?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
That's great news!! I have more hope for this repair then. I took many photos but didn't start videos until a few years ago. I did a couple complete Winnebago sidewall replacements too and that woud have been awesome to see.
@hillbillyrv
@hillbillyrv 3 жыл бұрын
@@AZExpert No matter how it turns out, it will be way better than it was before you and Bad Chad worked your magic on it.
@Inpreesme
@Inpreesme 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@bjnz4328
@bjnz4328 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure what you've done is very beneficial. However, with the steel trusses spanning across the roof parallel with the sandwich panels, some secondary wood beams spanning between the steel trusses would be helpful. They would support the panels and transfer the load to the steel trusses. Required particularly where the strength of the panel is compromised by vent openings.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It may not seem like it, but foam laminated well has a great deal of strength too. The steel is also glued to the foam underneath. Hopefully it will make sense in the next video.
@rnreajr9184
@rnreajr9184 3 жыл бұрын
Love the styrofoam cutter! I don't have the steady hand, though, so if I try this I might need to make a cradle ri keep the wire straight and steady. Too bad they don't have low- cost carbon fiber structural pieces at the Home Depot. Great video!
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I think carbon fiber may have made this repair too expensive to attempt. :)
@rnreajr9184
@rnreajr9184 3 жыл бұрын
@@AZExpert which is why the local Home Depot doesn't carry then. I'm hoping that someday they'll be made in volume production so that they can be an alternative to wood or metal structure.
@ckm-mkc
@ckm-mkc 3 жыл бұрын
Great video with a lot of creative engineering.... Great idea to put wood in there, you probably could have gotten a much thinner wall with that composite, although super thinwall square tubing is relatively hard to get. But, man, for the price of these things, you all sure have to re-engineer a lot. A couple of thoughts - putting the long edge vertical instead of flat would make it stronger, although it looks like there was a depth issue - probably could have gotten away with 1x1 instead of 2x1. Putting a crown in it would def make it way stiffer allowing for smaller tubing (esp with the wood inside), but good point about the foam, although it seems to be sagging as much as a crown.... You can use one of harbor freight's bending tools to put crowns in square tubing but you have to modify/make a die. Someone probably sells a set of square dies for those tools.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I did think about a crown, but the lamination process is not forgiving with uneven surfaces. While the thick wall is nice for strength, we really wanted thick walls to hold screws from the deck better without stripping. Thanks!
@nexpro6985
@nexpro6985 3 жыл бұрын
If you want stiff and light you use carbon. You can get carbon tubes that are much stiffer than steel and are much lighter. Sadly that roof was junk out of the factory. And you were right about the roof needing a crown. Have you considered making some profile plates out of aluminium and hot wire cutting crown shaped foam out of 8ft long 2ft wide styrene. Once you had that setup you could churn out identical pieces. Have a look at how RCers cut foam wings. (I know steel is cheap and easy to get)
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
that would be a big but interesting project for sure
@sailorjohnboy2325
@sailorjohnboy2325 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool fix. I'm wondering if the walls are plumb and square.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. As plumb as square as possible.
@taetherton
@taetherton 2 жыл бұрын
Metal decking ribbed roofing material should be installed by winebego .
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
The roofs arent designed to hold much at all
@garyag45
@garyag45 3 жыл бұрын
Love the job. How much weight did the steel add to the RV? Would aluminum extrusion worked as well, been lighter?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
The plan was for aluminum, but even the thick wall stuff flexed substaintially more than the steel. I'd the steel added 350 pounds. The thicker luan added 40 or so.
@timerickson7056
@timerickson7056 3 жыл бұрын
7/11 beer cooler with siding
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
PRetty expensive cooler
@nobodystalkin1
@nobodystalkin1 2 жыл бұрын
Would aluminum sheeting be too heavy on this kind of roof?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. They don't support much
@cwshumate914
@cwshumate914 3 жыл бұрын
Would that wood inside the steel also help prevent some of that potential for thermal bridging?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I think it will help a little on thermal transfer too.
@ernestbrothers1298
@ernestbrothers1298 3 жыл бұрын
Seem to repair Winnebago roofs a lot. They the worst ones?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
The most unique roofs, so I guess the worst
@ernestbrothers1298
@ernestbrothers1298 3 жыл бұрын
@@AZExpert you keep teaching us what to look out for
@timerickson7056
@timerickson7056 3 жыл бұрын
is it true Winnebago uses 1 2x4 to built 3 trailers
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds right
@Thesaltymedic36
@Thesaltymedic36 3 жыл бұрын
And the saga continues 🤦🏼 Oh Winnebago why?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that the whole time.
@kenj.8897
@kenj.8897 3 жыл бұрын
A++++
@akush55
@akush55 3 жыл бұрын
Yup Wig Wam Tell No Tale. On they Secret Cooler Roof Design ~ ya good Old Petrified Wood . Time to invest in a band saw, why roof cross rib so flexible think i stick to the Class A Now
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
I did try my portable metal band saw, the steel was just too wide for the throat. Ultimately the grinder worked well.
@somewhat7
@somewhat7 3 жыл бұрын
23:18 ahahahahaha !
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
Is it sad that I put so much effort into that? I appreciate you enjoying it!
@ncautoman57
@ncautoman57 3 жыл бұрын
Good repair so far but when the RV is driven and the roof flexes the Styrofoam will rub against the steel trusses and be very squeaky. Winnebago should be sued and the customer reimbursed.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
The steel is also glued to the foam with expanding foam adhesive so hopefully that would happen. The deck will also be glued to the foam but also screwed to the metal. I'm throwing everything I can at it to help. Thanks!
@ynAMe6Aj
@ynAMe6Aj 3 жыл бұрын
Which video precedes this for background?
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8lkeqtoudzNeIk.html
@PastorwithoutaPulpit
@PastorwithoutaPulpit 3 жыл бұрын
Soldering gun used as a hot knife was a good idea, it's basically the same thing they use to cut foam all through out different industries. Another repair many would have passed on, at this point I think you may have a little masochist in you...LOL
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
I do like punishing myself it seems
@larryfoster2628
@larryfoster2628 3 жыл бұрын
When he don’t like your comment he just deletes it can’t take negative comments
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
why would I let strangers make a mess in my house?
@pault1964
@pault1964 3 жыл бұрын
When reading imperial measurements of a tape you need good eyesight, I think I will stick with metric
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
It does make more sense...I just cannot imagine we'll ever switch completely.
@pault1964
@pault1964 3 жыл бұрын
@@AZExpert we haven’t switched completely,still have miles,most older still think in feet and inches,and pounds and stones not kilo and grams,I worked on a building site everything was decimal but I am 6 foot tall and 13 stone, I think future generations will be metric,but still using MPH not KPH,I don’t think the government want to change all the road signage and cars MPH
@beep_beep_beep
@beep_beep_beep 2 жыл бұрын
That's gonna rust
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 2 жыл бұрын
It's fine
@terrytinagero777
@terrytinagero777 3 жыл бұрын
Ninjia Monk ? LOL.....
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
it's very rare and intense training. :)
@smacdiesel
@smacdiesel 3 жыл бұрын
This episode made me feel sorry for you.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
This job is pretty fun right now.
@kevinmccarthy6862
@kevinmccarthy6862 3 жыл бұрын
Another over priced, poorly engineered and cheaply made pile of crap. Decor and paint IS just lip stick on a pig. An ALL metal or one piece fiberglass roof IS the only way for RV's to ever be built. Boycott the ceaply made RV Industry, it cost consumers tooooo much in out of pocket repairs down the road.
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
you'll get no argument from me!
@timerickson7056
@timerickson7056 3 жыл бұрын
rv manufacturers should pay you to stop making videos
@AZExpert
@AZExpert 3 жыл бұрын
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