Specially if you fly VR the extra buttons really help you.

Yeah

I use both the winwing and thrustmaster warthog throttle bases, and on the stick side i use winwing with the F-16EX and virpil mongoose base and stick for helis.

The problem with what WinWing does is they add so many extra buttons that they 1) degrade the quality of the primary features in the first place and 2) the extra controls are hard to either access or distinguish from each other. I speak as an owner who has an F-16EX grip and this is certainly the case. We have to consider that the base design for these HOTAS systems were designed through millions of dollars of engineering to ensure the real pilot doesn't mistake any two distinct controls; and that the real pilot is sure they did or did not activate a control. Needing to confirm the state of the jet/avionics due to confusion is bad enough of a time delay, and far worse is not even realizing you did change something and finding out later. I guess because we are simmers we don't really care -- says WinWing. I own and appreciate the F-16EX grip need for the AH-64D TEDAC, but I really dislike that the DMS and TMS switch directions are considerably worse in terms of feedback compared to Thrustmaster. I'd happily lose the push functionality for that switch to feel more like Thrustmasters. And even though DMS feels fine on it, that push can be dropped too. The A-10C and F-16C HOTAS uses those two switches so often, they need to feel prestine in their primary operation. I would love to switch my non-F/A-18/F-15 stick (Boeing) to another offering, but Thrustmaster's (which I also own) just has two few buttons; Virpil Constellation Alpha Prime just doesn't quite place the switches right and may have a button or two shy; VKB Gunfighter IV Ultimate has less buttons with perhaps an even worse than Virpil CA layout.

Great explanation, thanks.

same, direct comparisons between Realsim and WW FSSB seem hard to find. Niche within a niche within a niche it seems

There is no comparison between TM and WW throttles. I have both and the WW gear is superior in every way. I loved the Cougar and the Warthog but from construction quality to materials/components to quality to versatility to accuracy WW is better. Software of both is powerful, not easy to use, and not really required except for calibration and advanced configuration. That's not a surprise really. WW gear is designed and built 20+ years later.

@@regprewitt7637 Realsimulator isn't TM, it is its own thing, tho you can use the TM stick on the force sensing base instead of using their custom stick if you want. They've had an FSSB for a few years now. How it compares to WW force sensing base is the question a few of us have

@@grifnizzle7197 Thanks. I understand they are two different companies. Originally, the RS FSSB (there were 2 levels - R2 & R3 - like now) was only a replacement part of the Cougar gimbles when I bought mine. Yeah, a long time ago. I went to RS' website and, boy howdy, have they come a long way. I understand why Striker likes his. Excellent kit, maybe the best nonprofessional gear available. Price is a little high but that's expected from top notch gear. I would expect RS FSSB to be superior from my experiences a long ago. WW MFFSB is definitely different in function and likely slightly less precise but whether the difference is sufficient to justify the price difference is going to be very individual. That doesn't exactly answer your question. I don't think you would go wrong with either.

@@mururoa7024 Either injection molded or printed is my guess. It has solid feeling with a light texture that I like better than the smooth metal finish on the Cougar. It's not a strict replica but IMHO is superior for sims. The extra functionality from switches, hats, and axes don't detract from full F-16 function but enhances it for sim-isms. I loved the Cogar and FSSB but the WW is as good or better in every way.

Not that I've noticed. Worked fine for me.

hi, can you use WW base with Virpil grip? thanks

@@urbansafari147 I dont think so, but i can recommend the f-16 grip from WW.

Good stuff, thanks for sharing. I may go with the traditional base as well. Have heard mixed things about the force sensing one.

I’m curious about your opinion on WinWing compared to RealSimulator FSSB.

Realize that anything I say about RS will be based on the better of the two versions of FSSB when they were originally released. I haven’t touched their new offerings or know if there is any difference from the original. I do have a friend from back in those days who built an amazing sim pit who uses late model RS. He’s very happy with FSSB. If Striker says it’s good gear, then it is. My only concern would be if FSSB requires a Cougar or Warthog grip. The connection of both (and the F/A-18 grip) is pot metal and is subject to breakage. I broke the Cougar grip on my FSSB. It snapped off. It is not designed for the forces imposed on a static stick. They are also prone to switch problems. When I gave my well cared for, but very old and used, Warthog to my friend I also sent the pile of pots and switch replacement parts I brought with me when we moved to Ecuador. I never needed to replace anything but I also don’t personally know anybody who has one who hasn’t had failures of pots and/or switches. The Warthog throttles really needs the mini stick replacement mod too. Used with any WW throttle grip(s) and Orion 2 base, I think you would have an excellent setup. I’d see if a WW F-16, or better still F-16EX, is compatible with RS FSSB. That’s a better solution because the WW stick is built much better. That is important IMHO due to the higher amount of force you will put on the FSSB than the WW MFSSB.

@@regprewitt7637 Thank you for the detailed response. 🙏🙏

I have the spring version of the orion 2 base and also the mongoose v2 base from virpil and i will say the virpil base are better than the winwing, a little more hassle to change the springs and cams on the virpil but it feels better and has more adjustment options. The sticks itself are better from winwing, all metal with better switches. I have not tried the virpil throttle but i have the TM warthog and the Orion2 Throttle Base 10th Anniversary Limited Version and here the winner is TM cause all buttons and switches are of much higher quality (real tactil feel to them) and it is made of metal so i am using it for the A-10. The winwing has more option with changeable handles and a lot more buttons and switches that i need since i fly with vr

still have both.

I justo bought one for 80$ , I have winwing for 18 hotas and it feels more plastic than the cougar

Great Idea but i think these have been out for about a year now and still not seen anyone with wear and tear issues. I know for a fact that WinWing only use high quality kit i heard an interbiew with thier USA salwes manager and he sid they cancelled suppliers contracts on the first F-18 and original orion Throttle base after initial review showed up problems with a couple of the switches. instead of going to the supplier and saying this switch needs to be better! They just cancelled the contract with them and found a supplier with much better quality. He said we aim for the best quality we can, we want a great reputation not a mediocre one. WinWing and Virpil as well as VKB are just knocking it out the park with the quality and price of kit these days and i think Thrustmaster got lazy and still think they are the best when they actually got surpassed about 3 years ago by a long way. But can't wait for Movers review of the new super expenssive F-16 Throttle

yea having a hard time with the viper throttle grip, wish i just gotten the F15 grip, been using the 18 for ever as it is the best feel

@@Minnesota.Highlander tell me about it…they’ll probably use it to build a weapon against us, and I’ll be sitting here with my pretty toy pretending to shoot back lol 😂

@@Minnesota.HighlanderWTH is wrong with you!? I was making fun at myself for spending so much money on this…where in the hell did I even make an attempt to support comminsm??My family fled communism, I don’t support it and will fight it to the death if I had to. Get the stick out of your @ss and stop being a fanatic loon. I’m a combat vet with 16 years active duty and currently Law Enforcement..I personally know what it takes to sacrifice and defend this country. I bet you like to tell your daddy stories but haven’t served a day yourself, have you? .

I don't have the WW, but I do have the Lighting and an RS F-16 grip and for me it was well worth the money! I had a Viper Gear force sensor upgrade for the Cougar and was never happy with it, but the R3L just worked right out of the box. The RS website says once you've used one you won't be able to fly with anything else... It's hyperbole obviously, but you won't want to fly with anything else!

​@@Xeroen would you recommend a MFSSB stick even for flying other planes like the A-10, F/A-18 and the Strike Eagle ?

@@arisagustoni9706 I fly everything with one, and while these days I mostly fly Warthunder top tier Sim, it handles everything equally well from DCS to Microsoft Flight Simulator! Where I will advise caution is games like Ace Combat and Project Wingman! The FSSB requires a different kind of physicality than a regular stick. With a regular stick, you move the stick to the position you want and hold it there, easy! With the FSSB you apply pressure to the stick and have to hold that pressure against the stick the entire time you want that deflection. With games like Project Wingman you will start to feel it after a while!

So far so good!

@@CWLemoine Nice ! Thanks!

Never played it.

Its freeware. Should check it out. Dynamic campaign engine, ATC, AWACS. The Benchmarksims community work hard only for realism. Truly is a "textbook sim"

Absolutely. Would love to see your opinion on BMS.

Calling it Falcon is disrespectful…He would only play it if they change the name to BMS Viper 😎

its to old from the 90's and look awful, the scenery looks like something from minecraft.

Did you not watch the videos?

I watched the review did I miss it. it doesn't really matter I was just joking with ya, I don't want to start anything between you and gonk you make a good team@@CWLemoine

@@allensanders5535 It wasn't part of this review. It was a whole video series. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z-B9ldOAtr7Ocqc.html

Everything is made in china you dork.