So here is my video about wire in tube point control. If you have any questions then please post them in the comments section below and I will get back to you soon. Thanks for watching. :)
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@TimsBitsnPieces29 күн бұрын
Hi Luke. This is a great video very clear and concise and uses all basic cheap to come by items... This is exactly how I will be doing my new layout but using different items in a similar manner as I used to run an RC model boat business and have lots of left over stock that I will now be using for my trains.. lots of push rod and control stuff for steering and thorottle control of yachts and boats and left over K&S metal tubing from the display rack.
@Trevor_Austin4 жыл бұрын
Common sense and basic, economic kitchen table engineering. Just the sort of thing we all need to use more often. Great job.
@srduke Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine is using this method to control some of his points. I've jokingly nicknamed his layout "The Pompidou Building" 🤣
@stephenlittle75345 жыл бұрын
A VERY CLEAR AND PROFESSIONAL DISCRIMINATION OF HOW TO DO THE SWITCH. Well done.
@lukenoble33195 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate :)
@jedlahaye47653 жыл бұрын
A great idea, I have used micro irrigation tubing which is black with mig welding wire and some of them are about 6ft away from the switch which is used to change the polarity of the points, so far no problems, keep well and safe
@duncan19455 жыл бұрын
Your a man after my own heart Luke, I love doing things like that. Why pay loads of money when you can do it cheaper. well done mate. I shall be doing a point with the wire soon. Thanks for showing it. all the best Duncan.
@donsharpe57865 жыл бұрын
What a useful video! One of the things delaying a layout is the cost of installing point motors. Points are bad enough, but by the time the motors have been installed, it seriously adds to the cost. This means that a simple layout can be operated at a much lower cost and for much less effort. Thank you.
@lukenoble33195 жыл бұрын
Thanks Don. It's a method I stumbled across a while back and have used it ever since. Never will I ever go back to point motors. I could buy a whole layouts worth if stuff needed to do all the wire in tube for the cost of one Peco point motor. It's very simple as well so incredibly easy to fault find unlike point motors.
@mrwales29744 жыл бұрын
I've just come back to N Gauge and it's all changed so much in 30 years, things are so complicated now ! So I love using the simplest method for doing something. This is great advice Luke, thank you.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
No problem Shaun. Sometimes the simplest methods are the best. I've been using this method for over 18 months now and not one single switch/point wire has failed. It's a fool proof method.
@Hiazhunter3 күн бұрын
That's a splendid idea. I will give it a try. Thank you 🚂🚃🚃🚃
@charlie1872 Жыл бұрын
I have been thinking about doing this for some time and have watched a few videos recently. I built my layout without point motors as I thought the wiring etc would be too complicated and costly. It is a pain when I forget to change a point, especially when I do a live broadcast, maybe this is the way to go. Thanks for sharing
@jb57utube4 жыл бұрын
Just came across this excellent video. I've been considering electrofrog points but have been put off by the expense of motors, switches and (to me), the wiring complexity. This looks so much easier and cheaper! Thanks!
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
Glad it's useful!
@JAMESDEMU-RailwayModeller4 жыл бұрын
Something I'm going to be installing myself soon mate. Great simple method and well explained.
@kimcason876410 ай бұрын
Smart idea..! I am gunna try that out..!
@Madhuntr4 жыл бұрын
just as simple as its genius. nice work
@stuartburton11675 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very clear instructions
@annettedavis57965 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, I have found that normally there is sufficient pressure on the point blades from the action of the slide switch. Only on one turnout did I found it necessary to dismantle the slide switch, and with a fine needle file increase the throw of the slide switch to ensure that the point blades stay locked to the stock rails. Regards Barry
@andrewd8853 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, thanks Luke!
@edoc25 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke A great video very well presented and an excellent way to control points. I will give it a go. Thanks for posting Dave.
@lukenoble33195 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave, I'm glad you found this helpful. It's a very simple yet incredibly cheap and affective form of point control I thought was worth talking about.
@simonjames38454 жыл бұрын
Well thought out, I've only ever used wire in tube - for the last 50 yeas at least! (shows my age!) But I like your idea of the switch. I drill a hole under the point with the wire running under the board, in various odd bits of tube I've found, with just a pull at the baseboard edge, your switch for live frogs has given me an idea of using old Triang Yellow levers which are on - off - on so might prove a possible variation which look a bit like a real signal box too.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
It's certainly a robust method! Interesting to hear how you've done it. This method means that it's fairly easy to introduce the wire in tube control after you've laid all the track which is why i chose to use it
@dibsyardshuntinglayout Жыл бұрын
Just had to watch this again, as it was instrumental in the choice to do the same on my layout, nearly three years ago now.
@richardclowes61232 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, just watched this vid and like your style of DIY. With all the money you've saved you can buy another loco or set of wagons eh !!! I have electrofrog points and linked the insulated rail to another rail of same polarity and not connected the frog to anything and it works fine. I am switching them manually but have thought about rods coming to the edge of the board to save stretching over. Same principle of using a rod, but without switching polarity, as the line after the IRJs are live because of the link wires.
@bazza36435 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, Very useful video. I live in New Zealand and I use a similar system for my wire in tube turnout operation I have used the American brand K&S brass tube and piano wire for my home made turnout operating units. I have used exactly the same DPDT sliding switches as you, which has enable me to change the turnout polarity at the same time as I change the point blades. I can operate turnouts up to 1 metre from the slide switches. Don't know about you, but I have found wire in tube turnout operation to be 100% reliable and very, very cheap. Well done Luke Barry
@lukenoble33195 жыл бұрын
Thanks Barry. As you say it's a very reliable method and I've only ever had one failure and that was a broken switch which was easy to remove and replace for a few pence. I'll never go back to point motors
@annettedavis57965 жыл бұрын
Nor me.
@musoseven8218 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Well explained 👍😊✌️ I think that you could alter tension using omega loops with further runs, or use rods or similar.👍✌️😊
@MrLosttheplot5 жыл бұрын
thanks, so simple
@jamespilbeam6 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial, might have a go at this on my N gauge layout as im trying to find a way of changing the points, I also need to do an update on the layout as its been a year since i last done one.
@lukenoble33196 жыл бұрын
Hi James I'm glad you enjoyed the tutorial. This method is very good for all scales so best of luck with your n gauge project. I look forward to your video. :)
@geeza63904 жыл бұрын
You are genius Thank you for the tip All the best, Dan
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
Ah great mate. Glad it's helpful!
@geeza63904 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 it is because you have saved me thousands of pounds.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
@@geeza6390 that's great!! Motorising points can be sooooo expensive especially if you have to add in frog polarity switches.
@davidcurtis53984 жыл бұрын
I love your switches. I will do somewhat of the same but I found that instead of brass tubing or plastic (the stuff you get from the hobby shop) I found that a box of cocktail straws will do the trick very well...They are smaller and I attach them with "super glue". I'm lucky that I don't have to worry about wiring the point s as there is no power in my track. I use a battery rum engine and am completely free of any track wiring.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'll look out for some.
@farmerdave79654 жыл бұрын
Use a DPDT switch so you can power your frog and an indicator light.
@convinth4 жыл бұрын
more of these how-to videos, please. Most informative.
@andrewjditton5 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, thanks for the clear tutorial, which I found very useful! I can't see where you connected the wire to the frog of the point - I guess you just soldered it on the side that is not in view? Cheers!
@lukenoble33195 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍. Peco electrofrog points have a wire already attached to the frog so I just used that but I could have soldered one onto it if I needed to.
@andrewjditton5 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 Thanks for the prompt response Luke. I'm still in the planning stages of my layout-in-a-box and your vids and advice are super useful. Cheers!
@modelcentral41626 жыл бұрын
Very nice and easy "how to".
@lukenoble33196 жыл бұрын
Thanks glad it was useful.
@melfordhorrocks33275 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, Thanks for the video, I was planning on doing something similar. Could you please tell me what the switches were again, I listened to the video a couple of times but I couldn’t make out what you called them. Also your switches appear to be on the top of your layout, I’m wondering that if you extended the wire and switch through the scenic board onto a small ledge it would work better. I am thinking more about the scenery and the switches getting in the way, or do you need to have access to the wire and tube? Thanks, Mel
@trevormay98935 жыл бұрын
SPDT - Single Pole Double Throw is what you are looking for
@soutrikdas65664 жыл бұрын
Great idea! Thanks. You mean SPDT slide switches, correct? Looking forward to more great ideas.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
Yes sdpt slide switches
@annettedavis57965 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, It looks like you and I have used slightly electrically different slide switches, though I think that they are both physically the same size. I model in P4/S4 and hand make all my track and turnouts, consequently all the turnouts end up with "live frogs", therefore I need a DPDT slide switch to operate the point blades at the same time changing the frog polarity. I did have a small problem with operating turnouts over a metre from the slide switch due to puckering of the piano wire in the brass tube, but solved this problem by using a slightly larger piano wire. I am now experimenting with angle cranks to reduce sharpe bends in the brass tube. Regards Barry
@lukenoble33195 жыл бұрын
Sounds good! Do you get the point blades to lock in place with the switch and there is sufficient resistance in the point or have you sprung your point? I've often wondered about its comparability with hand built track.
@Tnapvrvideo2 жыл бұрын
Fabulous design and a superb explanation / demonstration of your completed assembly. Thanks for the share!!! BTW, are you using PECO Code 83 switches? If yes, might you know the item number?
@lukenoble33192 жыл бұрын
The switches I am used are peco code 75 but they're just the smallest left and right hand ones they make.
@Tnapvrvideo2 жыл бұрын
OK. Thanks. Do your Peco switches have the built-in, internal springs at the points? I like that design feature.
@lukenoble33192 жыл бұрын
@@Tnapvrvideo yes they do have the switches built in.
@MrBristolmidland3 жыл бұрын
Do you have to isolate the frog with your method? Have insulated rail joiners at the frog like you have if you use frog juicers and electrofrog? Great method though. I have some of my turnouts operated by servos but they are mostly insulfrog in my TMD. I have 4 electro frog operated by servos with frog juicers. I also have two code 100 symetric three ways which are very close to the edge of the board and your method would solve the question of wiring them which has my head spinning! I will give it a go although having three frogs would I need two switches to change the polarity?
@lukenoble33193 жыл бұрын
I only insulate the frogs with plastic fish plates and that works fine for me. For the 3 way point you would need to change the polarity for the seperate frogs.
@MrBristolmidland3 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 This may take some explaining on my part. If I have another turnout connected to one of the 3 way frogs would it have to be electrofrog as I imagine an insul frog one would have no power at the frog connected to the electrofrog 3 way. To answer my own question why don't I just try it out! Sorry but the electrics on my DCC layout are a step up from my previous hand of god layout, also DCC but no powered turnouts.
@lukenoble33193 жыл бұрын
Trying it out is probably a good idea. Insulfrog points will still carry the power to the rail beyond the frog when the point is in the right position it's just the frog itself isn't live.
@davidbrough28224 жыл бұрын
What a great idea. Im new to the hobby, so have sooo much to learn. Are these switches On/Off switches ?
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
These switches are on/on. They go by the name of sdpt switches and are really cheap and really available. They basically have 3 prongs out of the bottom, 1 common/return and 2 others which can be seen as positive and negative
@skelligringphotographyandw70122 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 It sounds like you're saying (on the video) STPT and those switches don't exist. Here's you've written SDPT and they don't exist, either. It's actually: SPDT. Good video, but speaking very quickly and getting your letters mixed up (in writing and verbally) cost me at least an hour of searching. ;)
@coreservers3 жыл бұрын
a novice here. and looking to use this as i like the manual aspect. but you mentioned wiring to change polarity etc.. does the switch require power? or am i being a bit dumb
@lukenoble33193 жыл бұрын
The switch will need the positive and negative track feeds going to it as well as the wire to the frog.
@coreservers3 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 but not with insulfrog?
@lukenoble33193 жыл бұрын
@@coreservers no need to power the switch at all for insulfrog
@lawrencehassall31054 жыл бұрын
Hello Luke, I realise this is quite some time since you produced the video and am not quite sure if you are still available and willing to give me some technical advice relating to the electrofrog polarity. I found your video just what I was lookling for inasmuch that it is manual operation with a frog polarity switch but I am not quite sure on a couple of things although I could understand what you were saying. Hope to hear from you if you can.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
Happy to answer any questions, fire away!
@lawrencehassall31054 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 Thank you for your quick response, it is appreciated. Referring to the electrofrog polarity switch when a pair of points (left hand & right hand) are joined to form a crossover, can the same switch be used for the frog, I am not referring to the changing of the point just the polarity connection?
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
@@lawrencehassall3105 yes you would only need to use one switch as long as the 2 frogs are electrically connected.
@lawrencehassall31054 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 Thank you, sorry for being so slow I got interupted. So does it mean that I only need one pair of connections to the two terminals on the switch as long as both frogs are connected to that switch or should I have two seperate leads from each point to the one switch? Sorry for being a little "thick" but it takes a time to sink in and understand. Also when connecting other points to a switch, as long as the switch position is how I want it and the lead from the R/H terminal connects to the rail furthest away this should be ok! Do I assume the positive and negative rails are not relevant when connecting the leads to the switch.?
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
@@lawrencehassall3105 no problem! So you would only need one pair of connections from the rails to the switch as long as the frogs are wired together. In regards to the positive/negative wires on the switch, you wire the closest rail to you to the closest terminal on the switch to you.
@nigelmitchell3514 жыл бұрын
Plastic tube, look in your average kitchen or bathroom cleaner sprays!
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
Good idea! Hadn't thought about that.
@nigelmitchell3514 жыл бұрын
@@lukenoble3319 Hi Luke another little thing I discovered. If you're using peco Flexi track and points, you can give points a bespoke look by judiciously and cautiously cutting away some, not too many, of of the stiffeners away under the sleepers as in the straight track. This allows a small amount of bend to be put into a point and makes them look more individual. Stay safe matey.
@lukenoble33194 жыл бұрын
@@nigelmitchell351 great tip! I'll be doing that on my future layouts. You to