Espresso Terrors: 2 Grinder Anxiety

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Espresso Terrors: 2 Grinder Anxiety

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Күн бұрын

People fret about coffee grinders. And while it's true that different burrs and grinding speeds and feed rates and other factors can yield subtle differences on the palate, it's easy to worry too much. I'll try to de-fang the goblins that seem to cause the most anxiety. Then I'll push the cafe-industry grinder regulations to the limit, hoping to get arrested.
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@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

Coucou mes enfants! Just a quick note: This is not a buying guide; it's a not-worrying guide. Enjoy!

@tradycyjnegoleniezbartgee 4 ай бұрын

You're right, "if it tastes good, it is good" and this is true for my combo Eureka Specialita and Delonghi Dedica EC 685 with non pressurized basket and omniroast specialty coffee beans. Keep up the good work! Cheers from Poland! 🙂

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

Coucou papa! 😉

@orrinbelcher6593 4 ай бұрын

I greatly appreciate your integrity and honesty, very interesting and informative, nicely done.

@palefire 4 ай бұрын

“Emulsified cafeinated mayonaise” - excellent wording!! A well seasoned keyboard 😊

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

I noticed that too. 😁

@sneedltd4801 4 ай бұрын

"I am a chef. Cooking is what I do. " - Well said, Mr. WG. Always nice to see you break the general internet narrative with your experiments!

@mhas9110 4 ай бұрын

I love your channel Sir! ❤

@PubRunner 3 күн бұрын

Thanks for the interest no BS video. I was a bit like you when I started CoffeeSnob Australia home roasting forum about 20 years ago before selling it to the new owner Andy who has done some amazing things with it and I got hammered by some really nasty people when I said similar things to what you’re saying. Ie if your getting great tasting coffee your doing something right for you. I even spent thousands on a Rocket Giotto and Mazer Mini grinder and the Sunbeam 6900 with Rancilio Rocky grinder pulled better tasting shots and was waaaay more reliable and way less mess. RTD wasn’t a thing back then. That Mazer grinder was oohhhh so messy even single dosing it.

@BenJoelLush 4 ай бұрын

Missed your videos ❤️

@jackowens_ 4 ай бұрын

If I had known you were in Belfast, I would have met you for a coffee! Another great video Thomas, thanks!

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

Next time, then. It's a relatively short, pleasant trip.

@Abudabili 4 ай бұрын

Heu @wiredgourmet can't wait for your Cafesing review. Your Cafelat Robot review sealed the deal for me, and I could not be happier. I am contemplating buying the Cafesing Orca ( chinese version ) and waiting for your input. Thanks a lot!

@LightZone9 4 ай бұрын

I used a Krups blade grinder for several years albeit for pour over / mokka pot only. The biggest disadvantage with a blade grinder is repeatability. That drawback alone makes using it for espresso next to impossible. Unless your expectations of a great result are kept in check.

@marck86 4 ай бұрын

I submit that the original quest for greatness was purely academic. However, when the market realized that the hipsters had money, it sought to capitalize on sincerity and the conversation shifted towards sell-side dynamics. Alas, here we are in the land of paid-for reviews, and confirmation bias due to $ paid, etc. However, I will say that the most "fun" for me over the years has been playing around with the water TDS composition whilst holding all others constant (as much as possible).

@ilkzode1822 4 ай бұрын

What's funny is a hipster would rather pay for Weber Workshop gear than pay their monthly rent 😂😂😂😂😂

@marck86 4 ай бұрын

@@ilkzode1822 I'd opine that original hipsters had no money and chased "real knowledge" and "efficiency" - form over function. That niche conversation online, made those with disposable income curious, and then the market capitalized on the rest. Case in point, hipsters are not the ones buying Weber. Weber's target market is rather the uneducated, lazy, yet full of disposable income who want to portray an air of luxury about themselves.

@ilkzode1822 4 ай бұрын

@@marck86 you articulated the coffee hipster culture so eloquently. 1000% agree on form over function. Weber has grasped that butt-itch complusive buyer who fills their sad soul with aesthetics. Enough mind wandering on the internet can lead to irrational deep dives in gimmicky toys. Sure some things "within common sense budget means " help with repeatability and consistency. Like tamping , shot time parameters, dose weight. But when companies come out with over the top machines to "promise" grind coffee magic, well i had enough. Thomas here on Wired Gourmet has the integrity and kahunas to put these youtubers on notice.

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

Nice little thread here. I just wanted to point out that the placebo effect is quite real, making it easy for the market to exploit. These big-spending coffee dilettantes remind me of the audiophiles of days past, with their $300/meter 8-gauge speaker cables :)

@ricardoj8860 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your videos, I appreciate your honesty cheers from Mexico, I have a king grinder k6 and I was looking for information if a better grinder will improve the taste of my shots. Thank you I love your channel

@scd6969 3 ай бұрын

Love your videos, Thomas. Great voiceovers, really insightful and interesting commentary.

@ende421 4 ай бұрын

About seasoning: All three electric grinders I got new (in the office and at home) static reduced drastically after the first few pounds. Also I found dialing in to get slightly easier.

@chongli297 4 ай бұрын

I have a Niche Zero and I find a huge difference between different coffees and my ability to dial in. Some have a very wide sweet spot, others a very narrow one. What causes this? Density of the beans? Brittleness / residual moisture content?

@idraud 4 ай бұрын

cause it's generally a grinder which makes your coffee bitter! After having it for 2 years, bought a Comandante c40, made a not even well dialed espresso with it using same coffee, got blown away by the amount of details I got from the coffee, and packed away my Niche the same day!

@ggusta1 4 ай бұрын

Would like to see an lab sweets burr showdown (for filter) against all commonly available 64mm filter burrs.

@cisumevolneblok 4 ай бұрын

Regarding Lance Hedrick‘s Video about Seasoning Grinders (came out a few weeks ago), I’d be really interested what he says about your opinion that it’s all a myth. As he explains in the video, a scientist from the Netherlands did a number of experiments which should proof you wrong.

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

Hey, good timing; I was just checking comments. Would you accept that a top-end manufacturer like Ceado might know a thing or two about this? Watch this vid when you get a chance: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hN2Ii7KQq8DOaX0.html In the mfg industry, everyone knows it's BS; the myth persists because when you buy a disappointing grinder, the sales reps like to say, oh, be patient, it'll be lovely once the burrs are seasoned. Honestly, it's marketing/sales BS :) A s for the proof, a scientist can "prove" anything with equipment and techniques that you and I don't fully understand. Look at all the bad science going around these days.

@ilkzode1822 4 ай бұрын

Love this comment. It truly is at its core pure marketing BS. Why noone accepts it as myth is beyond me. Because one youtuber and a scientist believe that seasoning is real? Followers SHOULDNT have to agree and waste waste waste coffee. Just wish consumers had more commonsense. Beans, roast, humidity, age, grind chamber tolerances, feed rate (all are at the mercy of change) which will always affect consistency. Shut up people. Enjoy your grinder. Buy fresh beans from your local roaster. Support non-chain cafe shops. Ignore youtube hype. At the end of the day - "its still f@#$%ing coffee"

@ridethree 4 ай бұрын

Can I ask what scale you are using? I currently need a new one and would trust your recommendations

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

I use a very cheap (about €8 including shipping) rechargeable one from Ali. It has a displayed accuracy of 0.1g but it fluctuates 0.2g/0.3g.

@WDShorty 4 ай бұрын

So odd question, I have a k ultra and the grind size seems super touchy when using your fill to volume method, Ive ended up basically choking the machine with my grind size and simply underfilling the basket potentially so I get a decent flow rate and taste(usually) but it looks like the puck either at the very end or during extraction has floated to the top of the portafilter and sometimes the water runs fast which confirms it's happening during extraction, any tips?

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

Have you ever tried a paper filter on top of the coffee? I can't really say, I'd have to see it for myself, but it sounds like you might be getting a lot of turbulence that's kind of plowing up the coffee bed? If you have headspace of appr 1.5 - 2 mm between the shower screen and the top of the coffee, it really should be just a matter of getting the grit size and tamp pressure in the ballpark, like pretty normal dialing in.

@AB-hq1ye 4 ай бұрын

The eureka oro stark fully chroma is such a nice combo ro my bianca

@MrMartyn1212 4 ай бұрын

I use a niche zero for espresso and a fellow ode for brew /v60 👍🏻

@konstantinosvakouftsis4086 4 ай бұрын

I have a Eureka Silenzio 50mm flat burr design. It seems impossible to me to grind for Greek/Turkish coffee. I tried alighment but it's impossible to get a clear mark wipe so I gave up. Do you think that a grinder of this price category can grind up to Greek/Turkish. Espresso shots are decent I believe. Also hope you are doing better with your health, sending lot's of love!

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

The alignment doesn't need to be perfect, so don't worry if you're getting good results. It's designed for espresso, so it might handle Turkish as well but that's not what they're promising :) Thanks for the good vibes too :)

@konstantinosvakouftsis4086 4 ай бұрын

Could you recommend a grinder for Greek/ Turkish and espresso? I am willing to upgrade up to 1k $ budget

@bachatero2010 4 ай бұрын

Do you have any opinion about the Breville Barista Pro internal conical burr grinder? I am 1 year into my espresso hobby and wondering if I can taste the difference of a fancier flat burr grinder. Thx for the great vids!

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

Do you have any issues with consistency?

@bachatero2010 3 ай бұрын

@@Conservator. Grind consistency is good but I may be having temperature inconsistency which can affect shot times, despite preheating portafilter.

@Conservator. 3 ай бұрын

@@bachatero2010 Hi, I think that if temperature isn’t consistent, then that’s probably where you could improve most but that would probably require you to get a different machine so you’d have to be 100% sure that that’s your biggest issue. Just my thoughts.

@zeropuckprep 4 ай бұрын

I have more anxiety now after watching 😅

@ggusta1 4 ай бұрын

I appreciate your opinion and experience. A: I have never heard the expression seasoning IN before this video. Minor squabble. B: much bigger squabble, you don't have to season if you don't want to but yes I'll be putting minimum 10# of seasoning (cheap) beans through it. Really at about 20# is best and thereon. Or is it thereIN???😂 Thanks again for all you do and I look forward to more and thanks for the science of seasoning (not in!)

@FrizzelFry 4 ай бұрын

Omg I’m looking for a grinder - but I got very little space in the kitchen

@ChrisinHove 4 ай бұрын

Hand grinder

@marioneto50 4 ай бұрын

Lagom mini, varia vs3, 3bomber sniper, among other are good compact options.

@marioneto50 4 ай бұрын

Df54 too

@SalViola87 Ай бұрын

Anyone taking this video as advice to make espresso please DON’T… Making espresso with a blade grinder is absolutely ridiculous and inconsistent. You can’t “pre dial in” on dark beans then switch to another much lighter roasted coffee and get close to similar results…. Flow is affected by GRIND SIZE & has absolutely nothing to do with tamping pressure…. The puck is either compacted or it’s not… The only thing you can do is tamp too lightly which will result in a fast running shot as displayed in this video. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@ChrisinHove 4 ай бұрын

It’s interesting that tamp pressure has been generally dismissed as a meaningful variable. With my super cheap grinders it was a valuable tool.

@MereCashmere 4 ай бұрын

Tell me youre not actually judging a shot quality on looks, weve known thats the wrong way since the early 2000s

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

Did you not hear me say that I tasted all six? And that flavor is all that really matters? Maybe watch again with the audio on. And mechanical soundness absolutely can be judged by several visual clues like under-involved areas of the basket perforations, excessive spurting, half a puck stuck to the shower screen, etc. Tell me you're not judging my work on the basis of barista wisdom, lol.

@PCCoooler 4 ай бұрын

So many weird and factually incorrect things in this video...

@peaceful3250 4 ай бұрын

Such as?

@PCCoooler 4 ай бұрын

@@peaceful3250 such as seasoning can easily be ignored by home enthusiasts. Just to name one.

@peaceful3250 4 ай бұрын

@@PCCoooler He made that point himself. Any real errors?

@PCCoooler 4 ай бұрын

@@peaceful3250 wdym, he literally says seasoning is not something home enthusiasts should be concerned with. Which is just factually incorrect. And come on, saying you can make reliably good espresso with a blade grinder?? Maybe if you like inconsistent, channeling shots or charred beans...

@wiredgourmet 4 ай бұрын

1) Burr seasoning is 100% pure Grade-A placebo. Have you rigorously tested literally scores of commercial and prosumer grinders as I've done? 2) Did you taste the shots I made? Have you ever put serious effort into using a blade grinder yourself? You're just reciting popular barista wisdom, most of which is tired BS that everyone "knows" and never tests. You're the one with no facts, lol.

@ilkzode1822 4 ай бұрын

The natural and unbiased contents is what makes this one of best youtube channels out there. Coffee was once learning how it was grown, harvested, roasted and brewed. Now its gimmicks, snake oil, controversy. We rabbit hole into high efficiency baskets, paper filters, puck screens, tamp pressure, wdt, lever vs semi-autp machines blah blah blah. HIPSTERS found a way to capitalize every avenue of coffee to better fill the pockets. Remarkable how very very few channels dont focus of coffee gadget toys. You my friend are a Saint in mythbusting. And an extra thankyou for the opinions of seasoning. Noone should waste precious beans. But again coffee youtube influencers find a way to convince those to waste beans and cash too. Sorry for the rant. Its been an only-2-shot espresso day