Speaking about the backlog: As of December 2023 A320neo (entire family): 10,354 ordered, 3,163 delivered - 6,171 of them A321neos, of which 1,248 has been in customer hands Boeing 737MAX (entire family): 6,203 ordered, 1,420 delivered So yeah, there are less Boeing 737MAX 7, 8, 9, and 10 combined in queue than only A321neo (incl LR and XLR) backlog. No wonder some airlines considered sitting this one out. Ah yes, let's add 914 Airbus A220 orders as well, of which 314 have been delivered. Airbus totally wiped the floor here.

I would guess most of "weight penalty" for the A321 is hypothetical, because if they're flying within the MAX 10's range they don't need to use all the available MTOW with excess fuel. The bigger issue would be the "wait penalty" since the backlog of A320neo family orders is massive. I wonder if United and Delta have any B757s in mothballs that they can bring back...doesn't exactly suit their purpose of finding a 757 replacement, but it might be the only short-term option.

I read a headline but didn't read the article, about Michael O'Leary saying Ryanair could take 737 MAX orders rejected by other carriers. He has confidence in his maintenance team but, more likely, he's looking to get planes as cheap as possible.

Airbus kinda suffering from success here. Boeing keeps fumbling the bag, but airbus is already building a320's at max capacity and can't snatch those juicy orders immediately.

Problem is the a321 waitlist is already a decade

CEO's need to start thinking, producing a high quality product is the way for a company to increase sales and show a good solid long term profit. NOT through cutbacks and layoffs!

Kirby is just saying all this to increase discounts. The MAX nacelle issue isn't the genuine safety concern for the airlines, because if it were, they wouldn't be accepting or operating existing MAX without the engineering rework. Airline CEOs and Boeing CEOs are more similar than they are different. Its the engineers, rank and file employees and passengers that get screwed.

I think UA should try its best to accelerate A321neo deliveries in the short term to provide some added capacity while they wait for MAX 10s. Both substitute options are imperfect, either lower-capacity MAX 9s or heavier-than-desired A321neos that will take 10 years to arrive if they order now. United would be silly to not wait for the MAX 10, I can see it being a new domestic workhorse for them. Its such a good fit for the industry trend of upgaguing, no wonder they alone have over 200 on order. Like Boeing, UA has to take some short-term pain for long-term gain.

I used to be a Boeing fan but at this point I think I'd consider a Comac over a Boeing

Go for the a321neo

We need more commercial aircraft manufacturers

Airbus is struggling as they have a HUGE backlog if they expanded and built a facility in Doncaster here in the UK that would create a load of jobs and the runway and airfield is big enough

Why ist the higher maximum MTOW an issue? I dont get that. Higher empty weight yes, but for that, just load less fuel?

What's happened to Embraer in this market segment? Their E jets were quite successful.

Sad to say, but for me, it has to be Airbus. United should worry about the new travel agencies that claim to deliver MAX free flights. The frequent flying public see, that Boeings management has not changed and are beginning to insist on Airbus as part of their itinerary. Boeing management is RESPONSIBLE for all of this as are the FAA and WALL ST

I think Boeing well be able to certify the Max-10 if its only the anti ice system. Not sure about the sensor issue though

Maybe a stretched 220 would be a nice option for the 737 almost like a MD 80 for capacity just gotta get them to do it

On the news here in Norway today: 50 airports in Sweden and Norway signed a deal with Airbus to develop ouer airports for Hydrogen.

How about the A321neo SR?

Embraer could program for jets with in the capacity of 737s and a320s. They could get a share of this market possibly.

A321 / A321 LR/XLR would be my choice

The A321neo only has a range of 4000nm with several additional fuel tanks (i.e. the LR version). As standard, the range is comparable to the max 10. I fly the A321neo and no way in the normal configuartion it could do 4000nm.

Pls simple flying get the correct range of the A321neo because if that is what you say the range of the regular 321neo is, what will be the range of the A321LR not to talk of the XLR.

At 5'00" the narrator says tha a321neo is heavier aircraft. Ok, but not that much, 'cause he just pointed the LR version, not the basic version. The numbers are MTOW : A321neo: 93.5 metric tons; A321neo LR: 97 metric tons and the A321neo XLR: 101 metric tons. The B737 Max 10 MTOW is 89,8 metric tons and has a 400NM less range than the basic version of A321neo...

There are no alternatives to the 737 Max 10 since the Airbus a321 NEO has such a backlog is so big and the a321 NEO has Pratt and Whitney engine problems.

But what's the cost difference?

That's ok, AS will gladly take the UA MAX 10 delivery slots. Don't forget, AS has a huge order for them along with options, and has a long history of not only taking up every option, but adding to them as well. Besides, once the HA order for 787s come through, many will be arriving in AS livery and will be SEA based.

Still waiting for the a320.5. 😉

Way not good A321 neo, Great Info ❤

I wonder how this is playing out for comac? .. they could not wish for a better outcome.

I would love to hear about the opinion that max jets have poor air conditioning. It’s a chronic problem. I realize this is a smaller concern than basic flight safety, but from a comfort standpoint it’s noticeable on all carriers flown thus far.

It's like those classic heavyweight boxing matches where one of the boxers takes punch after punch until you see his knees buckle a bit and he starts to wobble. Will he recover between rounds? Will the next punch drop him to canvas? Boeing has taken punch after punch, mostly self-inflicted, and everyone in his corner (the B737-X MAX dominant fleet airline operators) are shouting encouragement and standing strong, hoping their champion survives to the next round, yet increasingly nervous about the ultimate outcome. The FAA is the referee and a standing 8-count is happening right before our eyes.

what's with the yoke...fly by wire?

The a321 neo and the LR variants are better suited for United more so as a replacement for the 757 rather than being a direct alternative to acquiring the MAX 10 as efficiency wouldn’t be a problem as the a321 neo/LR variant would be replacing an aircraft that’s already typically used on slightly longer haul routes. As for short haul. I think United will need to wait for the issues with the MAX 9 to be resolved and instead acquire more of those for their fleet as it’s a better alternative to the MAX 10 since that aircraft won’t be available anytime soon.

Ryanair: Easyjet was all-737 once

Airbus a321Neo LR will do, not XLR due to Center tank is not yet certified by EASA. Maybe a220-500 if Airbus goes for that but only able to compete with b737 max 9. E2 195 could only matching b737 max 7 capacity and range.

I am not sure it has to do with availability as much as with the negative image of the Boeing Max and at this point the Boeing Company in general. Even the NG were Franken planes but with the Max Boeing took it to a whole new level - I hope UA steers clear of all Max aircraft, not already on property.

The A321N would be a no brainer except for the Neo is experiencing some engine problems that are currently plaguing Airbus operators such as Spirit and Jet Blue. However it’s worth United at least threatening to switch to Airbus to put the screws to Boeing

I want to congratulate Boeing for 737 from success to such a dramatic change.

Could this whole Boeing crisis (and the long order queue for Airbus) be a Chance for Comac to break into the market?

Can a stretched A220 be made long enough to substitute a Max 10?

To me it’s a simple solution use widebodies on high demand flights instead of dozens of narrow bodies especially on 3+ hour flights. It always happens everywhere else in the world yet is very uncommon in the US.

Im just wondering why the world has to depend on mainly two aircraft manufacturers. Where are the other guys, Embraer for instance. What other business wake up call are they waiting for ?

Once the new engine nacelles are tested and certified the 10 will be in service.

A321 neo

What is Southwest going to do since it's also an all 737 fleet? I know they threatened Boeing with going for the A220 instead of the MAX 7.

Nobody would buy a Boeing jet if it were so easy to snag an Airbus without a decade long waitlist.

The only realistic alternative to a max10 is an A321. Aside from that, they could upgrade to an A330, or you know, if Boeing had their stuff together, they’d be offering a 767-200 with new engines to fill the gap in their product line. A 767-200 isn’t much bigger than 737-10

Is this Hugh Dennis doing the narration?

Well, with the current grounding of the MAX9 AND the stop to production expansion at the Carolina site, Boeing won't be in a position to supply MAX9 s in the required time scales either. So I would think the Airbus A320 family would be best, especially as United is an established Airbus customer. However, what I do not understand is that Airbus doesn't "simply" extend its production facilities. It is quite clear that the Baby A320s will sooner or later take the back seat to A220s. A new or retooled factory could free up capacity for the A321s. Also an increase of the A220 production capacity would allow alternative or cheaper supply contracts with subcontractors for this type which would benefit the A220 profitability. Forbthe media messaging, it sounds that inbtheblast year or so the long backlog at Airbus had been a major selection criteria for the B737. I think it is a short sighted strategy to not go after the current opportunity. And Boeing's quality problems are cultural and deeply rooted in the mis-incentives to the management team. They will take a longbtimebto solve. Airbus has had a distributed sun contractor base almost since its inception.Boeingbessentially just spun off Spirit and subcontracted to its own former Business Unit. Finally, if Spirit has another shortfall in orders from Boeing, which is slowly bancrupting them, then there would be capacity and a business need available to take in orders from Airbus. Afaik Spirit already works for Airbus. There are no reported quality issues as in Boeing. I wonder why that might be? Could it vebthat the prices Spirit get a paid by Airbus are more profitable abdvtgusvtgey don't havevto cut corners as with Boeing? Or could it be that Airbus has a better and more stringent quality managemebt process in place? I guess so.

Not the best time to make a startup airline, you're gonna have to wait a few years for either Airbus or Boeing aircraft

321 if possible. Boeing has destroyed its reputation and customer conference in its product. The door blow out has me avoiding the Max going forward if possible...at least until Boeing can be policed accordingly by the FAA.

Let's just make the max 10, then do it right, then call it a 757.

All the more reason now for Airbus to ramp up A320neo family production even further. If the waiting time is reduced for the NEO, Boeing will be in serious trouble.

Go Airbus!

Go for the Airbus

Thats a good thing, They dont have to spend more money on a plane where a door went loose.

Heard the Chinese have a plane out but trade war and whatever I guess United can keep hoping the door stays on in my flight

I think Boeing should come out with a new 757-MAX aircraft. Same hull as 757, but with new electronics (its been 40 years) and new engines. The 757 would be a much safer airplane to fly, since it has 50% greater wing area, and 50% more powerful engines, yet the 757-MAX would be close in size and seating capacity to the 737-Max 10.

Embraer?

Given the wait list for the A321, it'll probably switch it's existing orders to the Max 9 if the Max 10 isn't available. Then negotiate a discount from Boeing..

Alternative, that would be the 757. Think about it.

Nobody seems to worry about the A321 Neo passengers having to sit on large fuel tanks below this is a disaster in the waiting in a potential accident

A321neo, A320neos, A220s, E2 series are the alternatives

MC-21-300 next question

very easy go to A321neo, LR and XLR

Get the 757s back flying and then till the max is resolved and get Boeing to pay the 757 reinstatement costs.

United. Airline should wait and see before making decisions. The 737 max 10 got a green light from the FAA to make the certification flight.

As a passenger, ANYTHING but Boeing!

Use the Ilyushin Il-96-400M

United could also figure the A320 NEO, probably a safer solution than the Max 9!!!

I say this as someone with 19 years of experience in 737s. A 737 is a great airplane for it was designed to do. What it was NOT designed to do was replace a 757. Boeing's (Really McDonnell Douglas') management decision to let the 757-family end and not "MAX" it in the same way the A320 has evolved into the A321NEO/XLR, is indicative of the underlying problem at Boeing. Namely, accountants are making decisions with no regard for input from engineers or pilots. Dave Calhoun has a degree in accounting. Guillaume Faury was a Flight Test Engineer. One need look no further than that to understand why Boeing is in their current predicament.

Airbus has plenty of aircraft types within the A321 series to fill the gap. It's really a sad day to see Boeing degenerate itself to aviation laughingstock.

With the shite show going on at Boeing one has to wonder if Airbus has considered opening another production facility so they could produce the orders they havexaswell as be ablecto Boeing defectors orders. Its odvious that it's only the time delay that is stopping airlines like United and Delta from dumping their Boeing orders. It would also be intresting to see how many other airlines throught out thexworld would the same as We know there are airlines out their that would have prefurred to order new Airbuses but the wait was to lng so they went to Boeing for a quicker delivery.

“ compensation from Boeing” yep

First class only.

United can’t swap or cancel the max 10 order with airbus having a 5 YEAR back order. It was a threat to get Boeing to speed up the recertification of MAX

the FAA is the organisation WHO HAVE CERTIFIED THESE PLANES in the first time.

I stopped flying in 737's many yrs ago after 2 terrifying crashes due to a malfunction of the planes tail rudder, causing the plane to nose to dive hundreds of mph into the earth, killing everyone. They are also very uncomfortable and loud, and according to pilots, they need to use up way more runway to take off than the superior 757. over 5,717 fatalities have resulted from the 737. I stay off them and tell everyone I know to do the same.

A321neos all the way 💯💯💯💙💙🤍🤍🤍🤍

neither! go for the MC-21 instead 😝

Airbus to design a A220-500!

Taped the door with yellow tape??? check Disabled the autopilot which puts the plane into a tailspin at low altitude ??? check Vacuumed the runway to prevent anything from getting into the low-mounted engine ??? check 😂😂😂

These airlines should have been more cautious with their Max orders and strategy and when it comes to Ryanair or Southwest, the strategy to put all your eggs in the same basket for cost reasons clearly has its limits and may actually pose some significant threats to their future strategy. Airbus is already a victim of its success and I'm pretty sure that adding assembly lines takes at the very least 5 years to build, so it's not a realistic to option to solve this backlog. The supreme irony would be if some airlines resorted to the Embraer E Jets, which has half the capacity of the Max 10 or A321, but they might be the only ones able to deliver any narrow body aircraft at this point. The A220 already has a long backlog too. The other irony is that Boeing indirectly pushed Bombardier to be acquired by Airbus when trying to block Delta's order of the then CS100. The decisions made by Boeing's management over the last 10-15 years will remain a case study of business mismanagement for decades to come. Let's not forget the 787 and 777X misfortunes as well.

To go for 777X

Go for a330neo.

United could use this situation to get a big discount from Boeing.

If Boeing keeps fumbling like this, Airbus may want to start considering additional production lines... preferably before the Chinese moving in.

United will probably stick to Boeing MAX 10. Boeing will give them a discount and keep the orders. If United goes to Airbus now, they are going to be end of the production queue with substantial numbers of orders ahead of them. Its all a negotiation tactic from United Airlines. May be Alaska Airlines should learn from United .. just saying that we are an all Boeing fleet is not going to win any fans for them.

The answer is: Boeing 787-8 More seats, more range, more costs. Ergo, reduce the number of flights and increase ticket prices. There is no need to fly to the same destination every hour with a smaller aircraft. And the climate won't be bad either.

Isn't the Embraer E195 in the same market? Why does nobody consider this option?

I expect UA will end up taking the MAX 10

These steps may be too little and too late to restore airline and passenger confidence in Boeing's ability to manage quality production standards. Perhaps not.

And All the A320 family.

I am American and want to see Boeing succeed but they have put profits ahead of safety. The airlines can fill the gap by keeping their 757 in service or snagging the 321neo/XLR. As of right now I wouldn’t buy anything from Boeing other than a 777 that isn’t the new “X” model. Unfortunately they are putting out a shitty product.

just get the a321neo

One word for United: Airbus

Force boeing to build a clean sheet aircraft to replace the 737, 757

I think United will try to help Boeing get the 737-10 certified. Or they could switch it for a larger 737-9 order.

Get A321xlr or some Comac c919