FINALLY!!!!!!! Thank God! I knew that you wouldn’t just turn down/dismiss an invitation to talk.

Praise God! I’m hoping that part 3 happens soon.

Looking foward to you coming to the show.

They will never invite SDA's to their panel. they complain that all we do is Bible Study instead of debating. They don't want us to bring the armor of God to their show because it will deliberately cause them to do a deep dive into scripture. any time people don't want to do a bible study, SDA's are not welcome. Prove me wrong!!!

Thank you Pastor Myers! I am SDA and I don't know what kind of Adventism goes on in Jamaica! What he is saying is not preached at my church (Living Waters Worship Center of SDA Dallas)! To everyone watching......this is not an accurate breakdown of the SDA church!!! Pastor Myers please make sure that you go on this podcast to undo this damage.

The Holy Spirit has told me to avoid any group that deviates from the teachings of Bible, will not be a Mormon, Jehovah Witness or SDA.

Amen! 💯

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. ❤

A born again person would not do that! John 10 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

@@mauricethomas7090watch are you sure podcast you don’t have to be SDA but obey the word

You should watch some of my shows especially my last show but for 3 years now I've been arguing with Seventh-day Adventist trying to get straight answers and they won't give them to you on tough questions that actually confront their error

There was one show I did that was 9 hours, but I did not mean it to go that long. But what it was was that I decided to let a Seventh-Day Adventist come on and answer a couple of questions and 4 hours later my one question still wasn't answered

And I forgot to mention that the following week when I had another show he was acting like he answered everything I said when he didn't even answer the one question which was how does he interpret Daniel 8 versus 9 through 12 and I was not asking him to defend it I was just asking how he interpreted it and he kept acting very sheepish and dodging in

From an Adventist Perspective concerning the Eternal Son of God (fully God) - In the beginning He was the Word, then Michael, then and Forever now Jesus. The disagreement is simply this... SDA see Michael as title for preincarnate Jesus (not a created angelic being). Most other faiths insist that Michael is just a created angelic being not a title for Jesus. But we can both agree that Jesus is the eternal Son of God (not a created being as the Jehovah Witness do). I think Preston missed this crucial point/distinction in this discussion which is pretty surprising. It's not a difficult distinction to understand even if one disagrees with it. Let's do better on accurately representing "the other side" please.

@@chrislucastheprotestantview Maybe the issue is with that one person

Alex alot of what he is saying is public record. Some of their followers do not read the material but the fact it the information can be checked

Really? IS it a coïncidence that all adventism beliefs dérivés from Ellen G white visions.?

This !

SDAs are Christian.

I talked to a lot of Seventh-day Adventist and I have even been on the Advent Defense League show and I think this guy on the show is pretty accurate

Well said!!! Proud to know you @Brianna! And yes, let’s pray for a part 3 (with a current, practicing, and knowledgeable SDA leader participating in the discussion)!

facts! 😅😅😅😅

We do love them. I truly believe they are Spirit led. They haven’t done anything wrong, they hosted two people who shared their opinions. These opinions have no bearing on my relationship with God. My belief is in Him/Them…no one else and certainly in no denomination.

If I comment on a video of the news does that mean I support the news? No. It means I saw the video and commented on it. Don’t be silly.

😂😂😂😂

😂😂, not for nothing, SDA’s knows authentic folks….😃😄We love the Perry’s!

Thank you! I dunno where they found this guy, but he DOES NOT speak for the SDA church, & he gave a lot of personal opinions that are not backed by scripture or church doctrine. Smh

Amen… Brother Thunder will get some thunder from Almighty with his foolishness…Lord, help him… mentioning about we have our own BIBLE 😳😳🫤🫤…He took me straight out and I couldn’t listen anymore… Stay Blessed, Bro.

Amen… Brother Thunder will get some thunder from Almighty with his foolishness…Lord, help him… mentioning about we have our own BIBLE 😳😳🫤🫤…He took me straight out and I couldn’t listen anymore… Stay Blessed, Bro.

In actual fact, Ellen said she was more than a Prophet. Did you not see that in her writings ??? not only that she is the leader of this church and the Bible is interpreted by her and through her that is the foundation of the Adventist Church whether you believe it or not.

⁠​⁠@@GospelPwrOfSalvation give us the reference please because all I can find is her saying “I am the Lord’s messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title.” “ Selected Messages,” Book 1, page 32. So, how is she saying she’s more than a prophet when she doesn’t even call herself a prophet ?

Please come and answer questions. Please do not waste our time by deflection.

@@faithmason9562your attitude is wrong from the gate. Didnt perry say that people should have religious discourse respectfully and peacefully. Your stance before he even arrive is counter to that counsel.

@@iriemo721and that’s what enables the heretics, we ought to be bold out of love, not nice for peoples feelings

@@FlockOfYahwehrespect doesn’t enable. Respect allows constructive discourse. Bold doesn’t mean disrespect, or snark. If the goal is to share light and shed light to a brother, from a place of love not a place of criticism and superiority, the attitude should align with that. Saying: then actually answer questions and don’t waste our time. I could see the neck rolling all the way over here. Truth be told, this whole thing is a waste of time, discussing how somebody thinks one set of people live their lives and interpret their Bible. It doesn’t change money, health, or salvation so how is it not already a waste of time. They were willing to waste their time on this couch, rehearsing amongst themselves things that made them feel good. Look at us, we’re smarter, we’re enlightened. If the Perry’s were truly interested in hearing about what sdas believe in order to assess if it’s a cult, wouldnt it make more sense to hear from actual sdas. Theres no interest in learning or hearing. Theres interest in critiquing. Who gives the Perry’s authority to decide what’s a cult and what’s not? What’s false doctrine and what’s not? What’s not biblical and what is? And ultimately does it matter? Does their opinion matter? If these 4 people say adventism js a cult what happens next. NOTHING. Therein lies the waste of time.

@@iriemo721 reading what you just said, i can tell your not a real Christian. It may have sounded good in the beginning with the whole being respectful thing, but it doesn’t sound like your saved. You really making it seem like SDA could potentially have true doctrine. Wow.

Amen

Amen

Absolutely, it only draws me closer to Christ, His word and His truth. We must be able to know God's word for ourselves.

Amen. That was very well said.

Unfortunately Michael is not Jesus. That is absolutely heresy.

These are some other KZfaq channels with a wealth of real information about the SDA false gospel: Answering Adventism, former Adventist fellowship, academy apologia, SDA Q&A

@@Jessaba yup, I’ve heard of some of these, thanks. Hopefully more people tap in as well!

The local church may not be able to answer your questions. Also, some people get defensive when they cannot answer your questions or when there is difficulty understanding where others are coming from. The answers to all these questions are discussed on several SDA sites and in several books written by Adventists. I've heard several competent people who are good at Maths discuss these questions in several churches. Ellen White never predicted an exact date for the coming of Christ. Her first vision was after the Great Disappointment. So she didn't get it wrong once, she never predicted it. That was William Miller before the SDA church was formed. He never claimed to be a prophet. Regarding spiritual movements in the 1800's and other people also seeing dreams and visions, it's helpful to remember that we wrestle not against flesh and blood. Principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places are real. To your first point, the United States of America is a geopolitical giant and influencer. Even non-religious people will agree to that. So to me it makes sense that end time prophecy will center around the USA. But also, the role of spiritualism (miracles and the supernatural) to unite humans should not be underestimated or downplayed. That's where it becomes important to understand the history of Sunday worship (even outside of Christianity - it dates as far back as even ancient Babylon) and teachings about the state of the dead. Remember, we wrestle not against flesh and blood and the goal of the enemy is to confuse. But God is the Divine Creator who can bring order out of chaos. God bless.

@@prayerpower1585 I know EGW didn’t make that prediction, my point was pretty clear in stating that using the mistake of the great disappointment and pivoting that into another doctrine was foolish. The answers aren’t adequate and I’m happily no longer a member of the church. Salute

@@AK-pz7om We could make the same claims about Old Testament prophecies about who the Messiah is as a being (divine or human or both), His role, and when He would come. The disciples didn't fully understand that Jesus was God until after He died. He was right there explaining the Old Testament prophecies and yet they didn't fully get it. They saw Him as mostly an earthly king. Peter correctly identified Him as the Christ, the son of the living God, yet Peter didn't fully understand Christ's mission. So because the disciples got certain things wrong, does that mean that they should have stopped studying the Old Testament prophecies and trying to convince the Jews? The doctrine is about answering the statement in Daniel, until 2300 days then shall the sanctuary be cleansed, and studying that to see what it means. Studying that brings up questions about the second coming. Some people chose to continue to study, and some people chose not to out of embarrassment. It was not fun for anyone after the Great Disappointment. So it's not like they received money, praise, clout, accolades or admiration for continuing to study. The lost everything materially and simply wanted to know and follow the truth. There was nothing to be gained by 'spinning' the disappointment into a new doctrine. It was an honest search for truth. Do you have another explanation for the prophecies of Daniel and the prophecies of the second coming, that ties together all the lessons and prophecies of the Bible? The fundamental beliefs about the second coming and the sanctuary is not based off the Great Disappointment. All the best to you.

What group are you with now?

There were four founders of the SDA church. EGW was not "the founder," but simply one of them. I didn't have the experience you did as an SDA but I can understand, based on your experience, that you felt it time to leave. I pray that you are blessed in your newfound faith.❤

@@missjamerica6461 I'm now at Bread of Life Church International And so do I go for prayer marathons at Kingdom Come Church International- This one plays a role as it picks up students from various universities every Friday for a prayer gathering You can check out Pastor Cham Chilombo His really helping out generation to stop normalizing that Friday is the day to get drunk and groove and teaching the importance of purity Because now we go and get drunk with the Holy Spirit 🔥🔥🔥

@@belacheri3394 Yes am sooo blessed 🥺🥺🥺 Thank you

@@missjamerica6461 I go to Bread of Life Church International ❤️

Individual SDA members don’t represent that church. They represent themselves. Every nasty Baptist mother who brings women a covering scarf cuz she thinks her skirt is too short is representing herself. No one uses that as reason to call the Baptist church a cult. Every member can’t answer your questions, take them to someone qualified and to the Holy Spirit. Whoever chased your father from the church was wrong (if that’s what happened). The represent themself, not the church .

It seems as though your questions weren't answered at your church, but don't listen to a random ex SDA for answers. Do your own research. This person is incorrect. SDAs do not believe what he is accusing them of believing.

@@awntruthI’m sorry that was your experience and your father’s. Read and study and ask God for clarity.

@@iriemo721 you replied to the wrong person

Salvation can only come by a proper believeth in the deity of Christ (Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, who came to die for the sins of the whole world). If any church has that part wrong then it's a dead give away that they are teaching falsely. There's no need for a deep dive after that😊

That’s not inaccurate, I was shocked when I found out from other SDA’s that this is true, there are definitely non Trinidadian SDA’s

The are non-trinitatian SDAs, yes. Please join us in showing them how incorrect they are.

For me, it’s the fact that he claims he was a “somebody” in the church and was going to school for a theology degree but blatantly misrepresents SDA doctrines such as the belief in the trinity as you accurately pointed out. How then can anyone believe whatever else he has to say? A simple reading of the fundamental beliefs would prove he has deceived himself.

I am curious, what specifically made you leave the SDA Church?

Really curious what it or the many things that you saw that didn't line up?

Yes what did you see?

@@kethibqere fundamental belief 24 that talks about Christ’s ministry in the heavenly sanctuary is not biblical. investigative judgement is not a biblical concept and to say that in 1844 Christ entered the last phase of atonement is blasphemous because atonement was completed when He rose from the grave. that belief alone is heresy because it is essentially saying that Christ dying and resurrecting was not enough to save us and that He now needs to complete investigative judgement to finish the job which is not true or biblical. that alone is a huge cause for concern because Jesus finished atoning for our sins when He rose from the grave. additionally, the concept of the great disappointment in 1844 isn’t biblical because the bible says that no one knows when Christ will return, not even Jesus knows but only The Father knows that (matthew 24:36) so for William Miller to calculate when Christ would return isn’t biblical because nobody is supposed to know that. and I believe Hiram Edson, the man who said he heard from God that Christ moved to the most holy place in 1844 instead of coming back, thought he heard that from God but it was just something to cover up William Miller’s error in prophecy about Christ’s return. overall, “prophesying” about Christ’s return, saying Christ needs to complete investigative judgement to finish our atonement, and believing that going to church on Saturday will save us from hellfire are things that made me leave. I learned all this years ago way before this video came out so all of this is from my own research.

You can lie, misrepresent, name call, and slander, but that will never change the reality: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savoir, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgement before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.

This!! Absolutely this! I’m so surprised no one is addressing this!

@@LeslieBest-zp9qvwhy would they? The aim is to villainise and not introspect or fairly discuss and converse.

Can you explain? From what I believe, we should keep everyday holy (not meaning that everyday God assigned as days of rest).

I’d like to ask a question… How do you keep the Sabbath?

​@@davidfarr1976great ?

@@davidfarr1976 The Sabbath is God’s gift to us, an offer to improve the quality of our life and the quality of our relationship with the Godhead. Therefore, God does not only tell us to observe the Sabbath day, but gives us instruction on how to do it so that the day may become a real blessing for us. I. The Sabbath as a Benefactor Mark 2:27 - In his love God instituted the Sabbath to benefit humankind. Isa 58:13-14 - The Sabbath allows us to take delight in the Lord. 1 Cor 13:1-3 - We do not just keep the Sabbath because it is the day God wants us to observe, but because we love him. II. Tips for a Happy Sabbath 1. Beginning and End The Sabbath last from sundown to sundown (Gen 1:5; Lev 23:32; Luke 4:31, 40). 2. Biblical Advice (1) Preparation Exod 16:22-24 - For the Sabbath to become an anti-stress day and a good experience it must be prepared in advance (Luke 23:54). (2) Rest Exod 20:8-11 - Humans and animals should enjoy rest on the Sabbath. Fellow humans do not need to work for us. Children and youth participate in the joy, rest, and reflection on God by if not attending school or college. Exod 34:21 - Even when pressed by deadlines we still enjoy the divinely given rest. (3) Activities Matt 12:9-12 - Jesus set an example of Sabbath keeping by having an eye for the needs of fellow humans and doing good. We serve God and may proclaim the gospel (Acts 17:2-3). Heb 10:24-25 - We are called to attend the worship service to encounter our Lord. Mark 1:29; Luke 14:1 - Hospitality is important which allows for fellowship with humans and God. Matt 12:1 - Oftentimes in nature we feel closer to God. Jesus spent part of the Sabbath in nature. Isa 58:13-14 - We turn away from selfishness and do things that are pleasing to God. That includes avoiding things that rob the Sabbath of its distinctness and its blessing such as watching non-Christian TV programs, reading the newspaper, attending non-Christian meetings, undertaking long journeys (Matt 24:20), selling and buying (Neh 13:15-22), etc. III. An Ideal Sabbath (1) Anticipation During the week our thoughts go to the Sabbath. The preparation for the next Sabbath begins on Sunday. (2) The Day of Preparation 2 On Friday the cleaning of the house and the preparation of food etc. for the festive day is being finished. (3) Beginning of the Sabbath Fellowship with the family or believers is important. We create a Sabbath atmosphere, for instance, by having special but simple meals, flowers, good music, etc. We try to be creative. Without hectic and yet in time we begin the Sabbath with a devotional, songs, prayers, and we take time for our children (telling a story, spending time for questions, playing a biblical game). We go to bed in time to be fresh for the next morning. (4) Sabbath Morning We try to create a loving atmosphere, get dressed for church, have a good breakfast, and attend church. In church be take part in the worship service, show respect, but are open to others and fellowship with them. A silent prayer after we have entered the sanctuary may help us to concentrate on worshiping God. (5) Sabbath Noon We may participate in a fellowship meal, enjoy hospitality or invite people to our home. A simple but good meal on a nicely laid table can be wonderful. (6) Sabbath Afternoon A nap, a walk through nature, reading good books, studying Scripture, listening to or making good music, witnessing, visiting other people, playing biblical games with children, having meaningful conversations may be good Sabbath afternoon activities. (7) Ending the Sabbath Attending a vespers or having a devotional in one’s home thanking the Lord for the Sabbath and looking forward to God’s guidance during the new week may be meaningful. These suggestions regarding an ideal Sabbath are not rules but suggestions that may help us to create a wonderful Sabbath experience. By refraining from some things and doing others the day becomes a special day, the best day of the week. We remember: The Sabbath is a day of worship, a festive day, and a day of service. It is a foretaste of the new earth. We thank the Lord for this extraordinary gift and do what is pleasing to him. That will also be most beneficial for us.

The Sabbath is God’s gift to us, an offer to improve the quality of our life and the quality of our relationship with the Godhead. Therefore, God does not only tell us to observe the Sabbath day, but gives us instruction on how to do it so that the day may become a real blessing for us. I. The Sabbath as a Benefactor Mark 2:27 - In his love God instituted the Sabbath to benefit humankind. Isa 58:13-14 - The Sabbath allows us to take delight in the Lord. 1 Cor 13:1-3 - We do not just keep the Sabbath because it is the day God wants us to observe, but because we love him. II. Tips for a Happy Sabbath 1. Beginning and End The Sabbath last from sundown to sundown (Gen 1:5; Lev 23:32; Luke 4:31, 40). 2. Biblical Advice (1) Preparation Exod 16:22-24 - For the Sabbath to become an anti-stress day and a good experience it must be prepared in advance (Luke 23:54). (2) Rest Exod 20:8-11 - Humans and animals should enjoy rest on the Sabbath. Fellow humans do not need to work for us. Children and youth participate in the joy, rest, and reflection on God by if not attending school or college. Exod 34:21 - Even when pressed by deadlines we still enjoy the divinely given rest. (3) Activities Matt 12:9-12 - Jesus set an example of Sabbath keeping by having an eye for the needs of fellow humans and doing good. We serve God and may proclaim the gospel (Acts 17:2-3). Heb 10:24-25 - We are called to attend the worship service to encounter our Lord. Mark 1:29; Luke 14:1 - Hospitality is important which allows for fellowship with humans and God. Matt 12:1 - Oftentimes in nature we feel closer to God. Jesus spent part of the Sabbath in nature. Isa 58:13-14 - We turn away from selfishness and do things that are pleasing to God. That includes avoiding things that rob the Sabbath of its distinctness and its blessing such as watching non-Christian TV programs, reading the newspaper, attending non-Christian meetings, undertaking long journeys (Matt 24:20), selling and buying (Neh 13:15-22), etc. III. An Ideal Sabbath (1) Anticipation During the week our thoughts go to the Sabbath. The preparation for the next Sabbath begins on Sunday. (2) The Day of Preparation 2 On Friday the cleaning of the house and the preparation of food etc. for the festive day is being finished. (3) Beginning of the Sabbath Fellowship with the family or believers is important. We create a Sabbath atmosphere, for instance, by having special but simple meals, flowers, good music, etc. We try to be creative. Without hectic and yet in time we begin the Sabbath with a devotional, songs, prayers, and we take time for our children (telling a story, spending time for questions, playing a biblical game). We go to bed in time to be fresh for the next morning. (4) Sabbath Morning We try to create a loving atmosphere, get dressed for church, have a good breakfast, and attend church. In church be take part in the worship service, show respect, but are open to others and fellowship with them. A silent prayer after we have entered the sanctuary may help us to concentrate on worshiping God. (5) Sabbath Noon We may participate in a fellowship meal, enjoy hospitality or invite people to our home. A simple but good meal on a nicely laid table can be wonderful. (6) Sabbath Afternoon A nap, a walk through nature, reading good books, studying Scripture, listening to or making good music, witnessing, visiting other people, playing biblical games with children, having meaningful conversations may be good Sabbath afternoon activities. (7) Ending the Sabbath Attending a vespers or having a devotional in one’s home thanking the Lord for the Sabbath and looking forward to God’s guidance during the new week may be meaningful. These suggestions regarding an ideal Sabbath are not rules but suggestions that may help us to create a wonderful Sabbath experience. By refraining from some things and doing others the day becomes a special day, the best day of the week. We remember: The Sabbath is a day of worship, a festive day, and a day of service. It is a foretaste of the new earth. We thank the Lord for this extraordinary gift and do what is pleasing to him. That will also be most beneficial for us.

@@davidfarr1976Keeping it Holy and reserving that time for communion with God. No working. Resting and praying worshiping eating with Jesus. Learning about Him and praising Him to. As a kid I remember the elders in my family would open sabbath with a praise and worship session and a prayer to bless the sabbath. Than we would turn tv off and rest and read scripture for sabbath school study. Only things we could watch on tv was gospel music or movies about God.😂 I loved growing up the SDA way. That time to rest and keep the sabbath day Holy taught me that God is still here above all else. It reminds me how much I need Him.

As a former SDA, it is a lot of weight! I'm so grateful to no longer be under that weight

Jesus says my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

When you've not studied for yourself, or established a relationship with Christ then one could feel just that... But, a loving relationship is Christ saying, "take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light..." A yoke and a burden... wow, really Jesus..? Yes...

I understand what you are saying but I was a fourth-generation SDA which means I grew up learning nothing but the Adventist teachings. As Elce started on this podcast Adventist teaching left me feeling burned because it is a works-based religion. In 2020 my family and I decided to study Romans and that is when God opened my eyes and my burned was lifted. My point is your foundation/doctrines/teachings matter because those teachings impact how you read and understand the Bible. I know it was nothing but God who freed me from the Adventist teachings

Absolutely. It’s a work based religion. We have been made free in Christ. SDAs are under the bondage of the law and their man made doctrines.

What’s courageous about it?

​@crystal9626 revealing the truth of Ellen g whites false teachings. Many don't know who she is and what she means to the SDA teachings.

@@theway9156 It would be useful to read her writings for oneself and compare them with scripture.

@@prayerpower1585 We have, many falsities in it. Manyyyy.

Praise God! Most of us have had very similar experiences.

Amen! Former 3rd generation SDA here, same reasons for leaving!!! Born again Christian now 🙌🏼

I've attended SDA since I was a child. I am 28 years old and till this day I do not regret walking away! They praise that woman too much. Everything is EGW,... is like they praise her more. But they'll never say it. They'll just say no Jesus first and the Bible first but their actions say different. I think at this point is the brainwash .... you ask too many questions you're ungodly, rebellious spirit. But they never have a clear answer for anything you ask. I was baptised there as well but I didn't swear about abiding her teachings. Not that I can remember. But I kept getting upset mad at how much they Preach about her every sabbath and another thing... what do yall mean by " SDA is the right, only and true religion". Basically all others is not going to heaven. 😅

Praise God for your freedom🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

What denomination are you part of now? What body of believers do you fellowship with?

He literally read from their own conference proceedings, Ellen White, and the fundamental beliefs. 😅

@@shottyrunkzout of context and misinterpreted. SDA’s beliefs are Biblical it’s not EGW based as was portrayed in this video. There was egregious error all the out this video.

@@07Shellywell hello, your own fundamental beliefs #18 refutes your claim. In fact, just in 2015, your General Conference said this as mention by Elce in the video: We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and 👉🏾correct inaccurate interpretations👈🏾 of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture. They also said “We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there.” So no, SDA beliefs are not Biblical but rather based on EGW’s interpretation of the Bible of which there are many errors.

@@07Shellywelldo you agree with this quote for the GC. ” The sins of the righteous having been transferred to Satan, he is made to suffer not only for his own rebellion, but for all the sins which he has caused God's people to commit.. GC 673.1 Great Controversy

​@@shottyrunkzjust as the people were sappose to follow the councels of moses because the laws and instructions he recieved was from God is the same way we as adventist follow the councels of Ellen G white because the laws and instructions are coming from God not herself . Her writings do not contrdict the bible > the sane way that the other prophets councels did not contradict what God has said . If you actually compared what she wrote you would see that it aligns with scripture. If you follow her writings you would be a better christian i promis3 you. By the way did you do the prophet test instead of just coming to the conclusion that shes not a true prophet? Also the bible is above the Ellen g white she even says that . We use the bible to confirm that what she is saying is true if anything contradicts the bible then we would not regard he mr as a true prophet. But her writings acts as a magnifine glass also it shows us CLEARLY what is already written in the word of God . The principles that are in the bible already are just magnified in her writings . God said believe his prophets and you will prosper. Before you knock Gods prophet consider her first and test the the things that are written .

And we know Ellen White contradicts herself and lies. Because the karaites never kept that calendar that you guys claim and I proved it in a video that it is a complete lie. I keep the Sabbath myself plus I keep Passover and no one I know except that calendar

YET she said if we do not read her writings we will basically be in trouble with God.

@@ltai-nowplease advise which of her writings said this please? I’ve never read that thank you

​@@NikkiallsmilesIt's from Selected Messages 1:416 as the poster wrote. All her writings are freely available publicly on the EGW estate site.

@@prayerpower1585 Thank you. I will look this up

My same sentiments

…and Ellen G. White is not above the Bible nor is she the center of our faith. Like you, I’m disappointed.

May I ask, what are your beliefs on Ellen White's authority? Are you familiar with the term syncretism as it relates to biblical beliefs?

My sentiments exactly, the man in the podcast went as far as to say that SDAs believe that EG White's writing are above the word of God! ahhhhh that broke my heart.

Try questioning Ellen White then see if it is a cult or not. how can you accept she is a prophet if you have not studied her? if she is the infallible interpreter of the Bible is she not then infallible? and if she is not infalliable how can she claim that the people who doubt her writings in the last days will not be saved. isn't the Bible the only standard for which all are saved? if ellen white is an infalliable interpreter of the Bible then we may not question her because to question her is to question the Bible. please watch a series called on ellen white by someone called test the prophet. God Bless

Nefer nitty was sadly not a true Christian. SDAs are not true Christians. They have a totally different gospel from mainstream Christianity.

Adventists are not Christians

@@deus_vult8111 ok

respectfully, i think that is the point that was touched upon several times within the video. Many members of the SDA church/churches do not understand the foundational doctrine that the faith is based on and when you dive deeper it is not inline with the word of God. Matthew 34:25 says “Heaven and earth shall pass away but my word shall not pass away.” The word of God is one of the explicit foundations of the Christian faith and if it is contradicted by ‘human interpretations’ there is a problem. Just thought i’d share, thank you for your perspective!

@@AKY3FR thank you for your perspective and being respectful, all I am really trying to say is that the churches I’ve been to and the pastors who share the word with us use scripture and only scripture. Maybe you get TGC here and there but it never contradicts scripture. I hear 2 Corinthians 5 v21 (“God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”) preached and have never ever been taught that Satan was the scapegoat. All I ever hear is that we shall get to heaven through Christ alone, Grace through Faith, and that Works without Faith is dead and I never heard of this whole looking into your past to see if you deserve salvation thing. The evidence he brought out was damning towards the church and I do have questions, however I take it with a pinch of salt because I don’t know what was taken out of context and what is actually true. God bless you all, thank you for the discussion 🙏🏾

​@@AKY3FRyou're partly lying through fam.Which part of Adventist is not in line with the teachings of the Bible?The main mantra of the Adventist church is "BIBLE AND THE BIBLE ALONE"

@@PPNComedy well at least you’re questioning it. Apparently this is on your website and this was red directly from these doctrines and if this is the foundation of your church, it makes everything else on top of it. False doesn’t sound like this is opinion. It’s actually stated as a foundational belief and the fact that, it may not be presented this way is still a problem because I would have a problem if this was the foundation of the religion that I was supporting because it doesn’t line up with the word of God and a particular church claiming to be SDA teaching it “” correctly doesn’t take away from the fact that this information is embedded as the foundation I would have to say peace out that’s like me finding out a Christian that my religion has some lady that claims to be a profit is saying things contradictory to the Bible that would be a problem to me and why are we still subscribing to this woman and why was this never discussed?

@siobhancooper4717 I get that, and I constantly have questions for the church, for all Christianity in general, but he specifically mentioned belief number 24, which from what I've read simply says those who died in Christ shall have eternal life. He also mentioned other things, but I haven't had the time to dive fully into all the points. The 24th belief just piqued my interest. And if I'm wrong, I'm willing to admit it and explore my options, I'm not married to the church I'm married to Christ and I definitely wouldn't want to follow anything that contradicts Christ's words. I have heard Michael being Jesus in the church before, that I'll hold my hands up and request answers from my elders and pastor in Bible study, but that's what we do 'BIBLE STUDY' any book which is referenced such as the great controversy or steps to Christ and so on are only used as secondary texts to help support the Bible and never replace it or be above it, so I'll continue to read and research and ask questions, but so far I'm more skeptical than believing in the words of Dr Thunder (dope name by the way)

The word “rest” and “sabbath” aren’t the same type of rest.

@@CHUNIOR05 Yes it is, this is part of the problem with SDA Doctrine. The denial because Ellen G White told them so.

Yes I know right. Just go ahead and skip over that 4th commandment like it means nothing. Go right ahead😊

what verse is that again? It sounds nice ... but where in the Word can I find that???

Greetings. I’m seriously concerned. 1 Corinthians 9 states: “24Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.” Sis. Perry appears genuine in all the poetry and interviews and presentations that I have seen her do. The 10 Commandments remain the 10 Commandments. God’s moral laws does not change and cannot be altered. Her response about the sabbath is concerning because it seems she has made up her mind to keep the 1st day as sabbath even though God says to keep the 7th day. There is so much to say. Just going to stop here though and encourage all of us to keep her and people in general, in prayer. We are making light of disobedience to God’s Word. Jesus died for every soul and clearly we all need God’s Holy Spirit to fully surrender and be obedient to God’s Word. Jesus is coming. We all need to be ready to stand in His presence. We do need God’s Holy Spirit every moment. God Bless 💜

Follow God, not any denomination. You don’t have to feel that something is “on” with the Adventist church. It’s not a requirement for salvation. Dont leave and come back to see what’s happening. If it feels off, it feels off. Serve god without boundaries and titles and any association other than being a believer of the one true God. Go find a non denominational church or no church at all.

Definitely, If you can clearly see the presence of God is not in a church, it’s mostly definitely a sign to seek His biblical truth through prayer and faithfulness, 🥰… the flaws of humanity limit the true impact churches can really have on our lives… Christ should be the forefront of a church! And seeing people putting themselves before Him is a clear sign to move on

Praise God. Please find a Bible based church where you can study and grow! I’m former Adventist and I go to a southern Baptist church. We have Bible study verse by verse each week and discipleship training classes. I pray the Holy Spirit will continue to walk with you and Lead you to a church that can share the gospel and answer your questions

Thank God for discernment. Praying that you continue to seek truth and find a sound church home. 🙏🏿 Many of us who grew up in SDA had questions. I truly believe those who ask the right questions are truth seekers and will come to the same/similar conclusions and eventually leave. SDAism is most definitely a theological house of cards.

Thank you all for reading my comment and even replying. SDA churches that I went to do not have the oresence of God within them. They also raise there kids in there own funded private schools and keep us in this bubble. Every Bible study I went to and asked question I would get answers that literally don’t answer my questions. When I chose to go baptized my uncle baptized me in a pool because I did not want to get baptized into that church and I’m glad I didn’t.

I am of the same mind. The lessons he was taught are not consistent with mine unfortunately...

Really thats bécause Its engrained in Ur doctrines

@@charnelallan7159 helloo! may you please explain what you mean by that? because what I'm saying is that what Mr. Lauriston is saying about what we Adventists believe isn't accurate to what we actually believe. For example, we do *not* believe that Jesus was a created being, and nor did Mrs. White. thank you and I hope you have a good day!

I haven’t read through all of the replies to your post, but if no one has recommended it yet these are some KZfaq channels with a wealth of real information about the SDA false gospel: Answering Adventism, former Adventist fellowship, academy apologia, SDA Q&A

Okay, so how many types of Adventism are there? Also, If you do not subscribe to foundational doctrine that is publicly stated on the official website of the SDA organization, what does that make you?

How could it be fair with no one to respond

Everyone they invited refused to come, people are leaving comments without listening to the video at all

@@lalittl we listened… the conversation could have been tabled until they received a response. There’s millions of adventists worldwide. They could have found someone.

@@IvyElizabeth918 Exactly. That's a poor excuse that those they invited said no. It's disingenuous. Whom did they invite, via what means, where, when, and how many people did they invite? There's no answer to that. Instead they invited an ex-SDA who agrees with their original guest. That sounds right out of the playbook of deception.

​@@lalittlWho were invited that refused? Several on The Instagram post said they waited for an invite, but never refused. One thing you will discover is a true SDA Apologist are never afraid to answer questions on what SDAs Believe...and there are plenty.🙏🏾📖🔥 God Bless.

All of this. 💯

Well said.

Elce described himself as one who was fanatical about Adventism (not in this interview). No wonder he got confused. That being said, maybe some other fanatics led him wrong and did not guide him to develop a relationship with Christ.

Yep! Right Here for proof. “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God.” “Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” “From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God.” But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his preexistence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” “The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.’ Micah 5:2” “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” “Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, “It is written.” Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.” “Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfilment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.” “Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King.” “The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.” “The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,-the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.” “The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection; yea, more. It was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror.” “Never should a sermon be preached, or Bible instruction in any line be given, without pointing the hearers to “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29. Every true doctrine makes Christ the center, every precept receives force from His words.” “No discourse should ever be presented without presenting Christ and Him crucified as the foundation of the gospel.” “The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice, and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.” “On the cross of Calvary, Christ made a full and complete atonement for the fallen race. He died because of our sin. This was the only way in which we could be pardoned. Holiness is the fruit of Christ’s infinite sacrifice in our behalf. It was not for His friends, but for His enemies, that Christ made this sacrifice, for those who He declared would not come to Him that they might have life, for those who chose earthly pleasures and earthly riches. He longs to save those who have given themselves up to the world. He calls upon them to choose His service, to give themselves wholly into His control, to wear His yoke, and learn of Him how to be meek and lowly, how to do God’s will. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” “Jesus is our atoning sacrifice. We can make no atonement for ourselves; but by faith we can accept the atonement that has been made. ‘For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ ‘Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, ...but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.’ No man of earth, no angel of heaven, could have paid the penalty for sin. Jesus was the only one who could save rebellious man. In Him divinity and humanity are combined, and this was what gave efficacy to the offering on Calvary's cross. At the cross, mercy and truth met together; righteousness and peace kissed each other.” “If the cross does not find an influence in its favor, it creates an influence. Through generation succeeding generation, the truth for this time is revealed as present truth. Christ on the cross was the medium whereby mercy and truth met together, and righteousness and peace kissed each other. This is the means that is to move the world.”

They refused to come

@@lalittl there’s honestly no proof of that… a few prominent pastors spoke out today saying that they were never invited.

I agree 💯 about some ideas not being agreed on. I grew up SDA and I've never had any issues with the church or see it as a cult. I love my church. The pastors are great and they teach straight from the Word 📖. As I've grown in my faith I understand how people view Ellen g white and I agree with her being talked about a lot and so as I'm older I somewhat feel iffy on Ellen White now but what matters is the Bible itself and cross referencing with other denominations and scripture.

@@IvyElizabeth918 I think Preston said he invited people on Instagram. Not everyone is on Instagram.

@@desireealicea593 What does cross referencing with other denominations mean? The denominations came about because of differences in interpretation of Scripture. So how does cross referencing with them work?

So true. a wounded ex could never speak the truth about the man. She is an ex for a reason.

Nailed it

I know! These guys are thunderously wrong!

I would go so far as to say that it is a cowardly act!

Imagine being SDA and not reading Elce Thunder Lauriston’s 3-volume book series Hiding in Plain Sight.😅

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Hallelujah

AMEN 🙏🏽

Who is the enemy in the case those not Adventists? lol

@@villain2374 the enemy is always Satan and his demons ..for we wrestle not against flesh and blood.

Thank you sis

I think Ivor Myers would be awesome. He says that they lied by saying that they invited him to be on the podcast.

As well as randy Skeete

...but have you checked the aforementioned sources yourself to see if these claims are true?

I'll add a vote for Pastor Snell!! He's always encouraging you to go to the word YOURSELF!

A prophet is subjected to the prophets before, because their credibility is based on their agreement with the prophets before them. "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets." (1 Corinthians 14:32) "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20)

Hey so if you listened to the podcast, eschatology and the sabbath were not the major focal points to call it a cult. The major doctrines discussed were from the great controversy that states Jesus being Michael the archangel, that Satan was jealous because he was elevated to being God, so that the Adventist Jesus differs from the biblical Jesus. Also the investigative judgement, that Jesus is currently going over the records today in heaven that goes against Jesus’s atonement for sins once and for all on Calvary, and lastly that Satan is the scapegoat that the sins of this world falls on him on Jesus. Please go back listen closely. The great controversy written by EGW is the backbone of the Adventist faith (the current sabbath school lesson is all about it). So you can’t extract Ellen from SDA. Her writing is the core. And her writings and prophecies are false prophecies therefore the whole thing is false.

well said Emily but one cannot be Adventist without accepting the teaching of Ellen White as currently formulated unfortunately, thus if you share the conviction of studying the Word of God and you find what Ellen says does not align then you are not Adventist and not saved to them

Yet we do not teach, nor does Sister White teaches under inspiration, that Jesus was a created being, a being with any beginning. My bro Elce is making a lot of inference, but it's just not true. (We both were at NCU around the same time, but I was an IT student). “In him was life; and the life was the light of men” (John 1:4). It is not physical life that is here specified, but immortality, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual receives. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Life-giver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself” (John 10:18), He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as his personal Saviour. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). This is the open fountain of life for the world. [1 Selected Messages pp-296.2]

@@christinafarmer9184 with that statement then the Calvinist must be a cult too because John Calvin believed Michael is the incarnate name of Jesus. And this was 200 years before SDA. What about the Lutherans? named after who? their founder wrote many books too, also inspired by the Holy spirit. Would you consider Lutherans cults. many of their doctrines align with SDA. What about the Jewish nation that made an official statement the scapegoat represents Satan? The SDA is being challenged and we will gladly accept any challenge without even using EG White.

That is one who would not shy away from speaking the truth!!!

@@simplysarab1625 I’m not sure of this but I think that Elce’s presence shows that they wanted a debate to happen and some pastors and apologists are not interested in that. If you want to learn are beliefs, sit with one and let them talk about the beliefs from scripture and not go through a rabbit hole of quotes taken out of context which is what critics love to do. It doesn’t edify the viewers or Preston who is learning about our beliefs.

@@jwesKeys exactly! I thought that was the work of an apologist, to debate a controversial subject. Everyone was in agreement in this video 🤷‍♀️

​@@simplysarab1625An apologist will show truth from a Biblical standpoint. No need to "debate" scripture. For GOD says whay HE means and means what HE says.

@@simplysarab1625 Some apologist do debate but not all of them. I think some have discovered that debate is not the most edifying way to discuss one’s beliefs and on this platform, it would not be the best way to share our faith. It’s not just the doctrines that we have that need to be accurately share, it’s also the humanity of the person sharing it. When you are labeled as a cult, it’s important to not place yourself in a position that can get lively or seem heated. Critics like Elce (I’ve noticed) try to include in warranted insults when engaging Adventist. I witnessed this in my first discussion with him not too long ago.

Did u not hear them say their offer to invite a SDA member on was either DECLINED or they received no response at all???? 🤦🏾‍♀️

@@AmiaP91 of course

exactly ... but how will anyone of the dissenters know that ... unless you know the TRUTH!

He's not lying I'm Jamaican and my experience is the same. You'll have to experience this to believe it.

@@shaneikbrown733I just commented under someone else’s comment and said that I do believe our cultural nuances plays a major part in how we move throughout SDA denomination.

The guest was a SDA evangelist for YEARS, who studied SDA theology on the highest level and has even written three books on the matter. May I ask what makes him unqualified to speak on this topic? Have you considered that his studies led him to see all of false teachings (teachings that are contrary to what the scripture teaches) in the SDA denomination?

@@fedcon4218 That's outrageous! You mean just cause one man studied a demonation for years and wrote three matters on the matter every word that comes out of their is to be believed. Tell me how are you still Christian in a world full of athiest, agnostics and ex-christians who speak bodly against christianity? Your thought pattern is severly flawed, find another way to look at it.

You’re in a cult!

They addressed that at the start. They said they'd be willing to have a Part 3 if an sda representative stepped forward. You have to understand that in new media you have to strike while the iron is hot. You cannot wait an extensive period for someone to step forward. Their viewers had a pressing concern and they chose to address post-haste

@@AndreWalsh93 ahhhhh thats not nice. 🤣

Exactly this! So many great Adventists they could have invited on.

I'm glad you said this.Totally shocked that all the Adventist pastors and even members refused to come to the show😂😂😂. Someone isn't being totally truthful here I promise

@@dabreez2489 If you believe that, you have believed lies my friend. The truth will come out soon enough

@@dabreez2489 both Pastors David Asscherick and Ty Gibson reached out when part 1 came out and neither of them received an invitation. Pastor Eric Mase told Pastor Gibson to DM him on Twitter but he was unable to because they weren’t following one another.. does that sound like an invitation to you?

@@lincolnliking and I will bless the Lord and rejoice for the truth always.If anything Adventist people would grab the opportunity to come and talk about their beliefs.This gentleman literally claimed we don't believe Jesus is the eternal God.That he was told to focus on the money and ignore his questions about the truth??If anything that's the complete opposite of what I was taught and what I am currently teaching others as an Adventist but please do make sure you scrutinize your guests before inviting

@@dabreez2489 I wonder who said any of this to him.. from what I know, Adventist pastors are the absolute lowest paid clergymen of any denomination 🤣 especially in Jamaica.. the individual churches don’t keep their tithes and offering. So what financial gain would he really have? Many pastors work an additional job to make ends meet.

This Eric Mason guy is trying to prove his point, that SDA is cult what did you expect if he was about the truth he would have invited an Adventist apologist!

As an ex-SDA just want to make a slight correction to your statement - Ellen g white doesn’t claim to correct the word, but more so to “shed light/provide context” to it. She claimed to have had dreams about various insights. Either way she was a fraud so it doesn’t matter lol. She had a brain injury in her youth and I personally believe that she was hallucinating. The people around her claimed that she stopped breathing for hours and held a Bible up for 3 hrs straight as proof that she was experiencing something supernatural. It’s wild when you look into it and many SDAs are ignorant to it. Lots of people in mid 1800s America believed that God was talking to them.

Where do you see EGW corrects Gods word? What source are you referencing this from?

Listen to the quote again. The quote never said she corrects the word of god. It said she corrects misinterpretations of the word. Read for understanding.

@@iriemo721 Hey, just so you’re aware, writing “read for understanding” comes off as condescending. I have a genuine question. If you have a source, please share. Thanks.

​@missjamerica6461 Investigative judgement and scapegoat theory are a different Gospel. Gal 1 8-9 says if anyone teaches a different gospel let them be condemned. Also the complete heresy teaching that Jesus is michael. Col 2 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, This scripture is a direct rebuke to the teachings of SDA. Please read the bible and throw away your man made rules and regulations. Your eternity depends on it. Flee from this false church and come to true freedom in Christ.

………and their guests.

This, respectfully.

Exactly. I agree. Ellen G White received visions from the Lord.

Prove it. Bring the receipts

Exactly! Bring An SDA Who Actually Knows And Studies The Word Of God.

Ellen White IS an infallible interpreter of the Bible according to SDA's

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The Lord will surely make His Word/truth known! I believe. Let's keep praying. 🙏🏽

No church hurt just finding that the doctrines don't line up with the bible or the rest of history

Too Saturday focused and not Christ focused. They seem to think that their denomination is the only way to Christ. It's about a relationship with Christ not the day that leads to salvation. Wrong doctrine.

@@susanma3483 What did Ellen White say about the pre-existence of Christ? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? What did she believe about the gospel? “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God.” “Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” “From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God.” But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his preexistence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” “The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.’ Micah 5:2” “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” “Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, “It is written.” Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.” “Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfilment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.” “Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King.” “The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.” “The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,-the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.” “The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection; yea, more. It was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror.” “Never should a sermon be preached, or Bible instruction in any line be given, without pointing the hearers to “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29. Every true doctrine makes Christ the center, every precept receives force from His words.” “No discourse should ever be presented without presenting Christ and Him crucified as the foundation of the gospel.” “The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice, and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.” “On the cross of Calvary, Christ made a full and complete atonement for the fallen race. He died because of our sin. This was the only way in which we could be pardoned. Holiness is the fruit of Christ’s infinite sacrifice in our behalf. It was not for His friends, but for His enemies, that Christ made this sacrifice, for those who He declared would not come to Him that they might have life, for those who chose earthly pleasures and earthly riches. He longs to save those who have given themselves up to the world. He calls upon them to choose His service, to give themselves wholly into His control, to wear His yoke, and learn of Him how to be meek and lowly, how to do God’s will. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” “Jesus is our atoning sacrifice. We can make no atonement for ourselves; but by faith we can accept the atonement that has been made. ‘For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ ‘Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, ...but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.’ No man of earth, no angel of heaven, could have paid the penalty for sin. Jesus was the only one who could save rebellious man. In Him divinity and humanity are combined, and this was what gave efficacy to the offering on Calvary's cross. At the cross, mercy and truth met together; righteousness and peace kissed each other.” “If the cross does not find an influence in its favor, it creates an influence. Through generation succeeding generation, the truth for this time is revealed as present truth. Christ on the cross was the medium whereby mercy and truth met together, and righteousness and peace kissed each other. This is the means that is to move the world.”

​@@christianskylark The SDA Church would not exist without the Bible, The Word of God. All the doctrines in the Church are Biblically based. Deception is one of the greatest tools of the devil. He started it in heaven, used it in the garden of Eden, and continues with it today. Please don't believe what you hear, do your own research, and sincerely ask for the Holy Spirit's guidance. ‭Jeremiah 29:13 KJV‬ [13] And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ‭Psalm 34:8 KJV‬ [8] O taste and see that the LORD is good: Blessed is the man that trusteth in him. Blessings! 🙏🏽❤️

​@@susanma3483 Who is Christ? Do we really know him, or simply profess to know him. Do we do His will, and that of His father, as He states in John 14:15 KJV‬ [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments. Blessings 🙏🏽❤️

Read the book of galatians and flee this false doctrine and other gospel.

The current Sabbath School lesson is based on the Great Controversy, EGWs book.

The Spirit was not given-nor can it ever be bestowed-to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. GC vii.3 Our faith, and our position in the world as commandment keepers is based on the Bible. Never should the Testimonies be brought in to take a high place than the Bible. EA 141.4 The more we look at the promises of the Word of God, the brighter they grow. The more we practice them, the deeper will be our understanding of them. Our position and faith is in the Bible. And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible. Ev 256.3

That is a good way to look at it.

Do you know for sure, if you were to die today, where you would spend eternity?

@@Elizabeth-rk3do Yes of course I do dear! Jesus said it very clearly! I have pasted the ACTUAL words of Jesus to help you: Mark 16:16 " He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." 17 " And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues" 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Also found in Luke 24:50-53 ) 19¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

According to Ellen: "The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who WAS made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind." RH July 9, 1895 par. 13 She does say this elsewhere which speaks "clarifies" the first: "-not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." ST May 30, 1895. par. 3 But at best this pen of inspiration is not clear and at worst it is inconsistent. "In order that man might be placed on vantage ground with God, Christ, the only begotten Son of God, made in His express image, came to this world and in the likeness of humanity lived a perfect life. “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” 20LtMs, Ms 127, 1905 par. 14 "Christ was the Lord of heaven and earth, yet for our sake He became poor, that we through His poverty might be made rich. He was made in the likeness of God, yet He humbled Himself, and took upon Him the form of a servant, that He might save us." UL 134.3 Even if that doesn't mean He was created, He was "made" in His (The Father's) own image and likeness prior to coming to earth? Would we say Jesus had another likeness and then God gave Jesus the Father's likeness, where it would be said in that period: (Genesis 1:26) ...“Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Then He took on human form to come down to us? If He is not created and therefore eternal in these writings and He was made in the Father's image at some point, that would mean He has had 3 separate likenesses. Not really seeing that biblically. As far as "promotion" that is for sure in her writings: "Jesus was made one with God. [See Patriarchs and Prophets, 37, 38.] His exaltation created envy and jealousy in Satan’s heart. Satan insisted that God had not dealt with him justly. He criticized God’s plan of government. He declared the divine law to be arbitrary, detrimental to the interests of the heavenly universe, and in need of change." 17LtMs, Ms 1, 1902 par. 2 "He was one with the Father before the angels were created. Satan was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ, his Son, should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was his Son to work in union with himself in the anticipated creation of the earth and every living thing that should exist upon the earth. His Son would carry out his will and his purposes, but would do nothing of himself alone. The Father's will would be fulfilled in him." Spirit of Prophecy - Chapter 1 Because we hold these writings in high regard we end up having to defend them or sometimes you will see the Estate remove terms that muddy the waters. Check these two sections. "Jesus was made one with God" is missing (to their credit they kept the ellipsis) Christ Triumphant The rebellion against God's law was begun by Satan in heaven. By this rebellion sin was brought into existence.... Satan insisted that God had not dealt with him justly. He criticized God's plan of government. He declared the divine law to be arbitrary, detrimental to the interests of the heavenly universe, and in need of change. Letters and Manuscripts - Volume 17 (1902) The rebellion against God’s law was begun by Satan in heaven. By this rebellion sin was brought into existence. There is only one definition of sin. “Sin is the transgression of the law.” [1 John 3:4.] Jesus was made one with God. [See Patriarchs and Prophets, 37, 38.] His exaltation created envy and jealousy in Satan’s heart. Satan insisted that God had not dealt with him justly. He criticized God’s plan of government. He declared the divine law to be arbitrary, detrimental to the interests of the heavenly universe, and in need of change. I'm willing and to be corrected.

He specifically gave an example of where the clear word Bible lists Jesus’ name in place of Michael the archangel. Please go back and listen

EGW "The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels CONFER SPECIAL HONOR UPON HIS SON. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father THEN MADE IT KNOWN THAT IT WAS ORDAINED BY HIMSELF THAT CHRIST, HIS SON SHOULD BE EQUAL WITH HIMSELF; SO THAT WHEREVER WAS THE PRESENCE OF HIS SON, IT WAS AS HIS OWN PRESENCE. THE WORD OF THE SON AS TO BE OBEYED AS READILY AS THE WORD OF THE FATHER." Story of Redemption Chapter 1. This isn't a promotion? 👀

@@cmbtheambassador5773 promotion is a word that Elce uses. The problem is that He makes it seem that adventist believe that Jesus was created like the JW and that’s misleading. Question, did Jesus receive anything from the Father?

@@jwesKeys please answer my question, then I'll be happy to answer yours. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels CONFER SPECIAL HONOR UPON HIS SON. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father THEN MADE IT KNOWN THAT IT WAS ORDAINED BY HIMSELF THAT CHRIST, HIS SON SHOULD BE EQUAL WITH HIMSELF; SO THAT WHEREVER WAS THE PRESENCE OF HIS SON, IT WAS AS HIS OWN PRESENCE. THE WORD OF THE SON AS TO BE OBEYED AS READILY AS THE WORD OF THE FATHER." Story of Redemption Chapter 1. the question for the sake of clarity -- based on this passage from EGW Is this a promotion? a related question: would anyone outside of SDAism agree that this sounds like Trinitarian doctrine as explained in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed?

I said the same thing.. there are millions. I can’t go anywhere )in the US or otherwise) without running into someone who is Adventist.

Because they weren’t interested in hearing about why adventism isn’t a cult. Of course a former member is gonna provide support for their claim. It’s a biased POV.

They never said they couldn’t find any SDA. They said couldn’t find members of SDA that were willing to come on the show…please try to listen to what’s being said and not what you want to hear. Also for these kind of discourses you need to have people that are well studied in their doctrine for it to be effective so yes this was all they were able to get on their podcast right now.

@@lvzyours But that's the point they are making too. Most SDAs would gallantly stand up to defend their faith. so for them to say they were "ghosted" and no one responded is not true. I actually have seen a video on youtube of one of the responses were Preston commented and the people actually responded to Preston's comment saying they were willing! I guess he missed that response too.

To me that would be the best person to bring light to the Adventist faith. Plus you must’ve missed the part where it was explained they ask current members of Adventist to come on and give their beliefs of the practice and doctrinal teachings. They all declined. Why? If this what you believe to be the truth why not out and explain your stance. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Yeah, on that question his bias is crystal clear in the response

You summed it up 100%. As someone that was born into the SDA church and is now really understanding the beliefs, the things he said may not be directly taught in the church by the pastors, but they are still core beliefs that shape the way the bible is explained. I never knew a true relationship with Christ, there's a lot of fear when you come to understand what the doctrine really teaches. Some members like my family, have book cases full of E.G White's writings. My family would study her words carefully because they said that church had become watered down. My friends that grew up in the church, but didn't have a family that was so deep into E. G White writings, thought that we were mainstream Christians that just went to church on Saturday, but I always knew it was different, and it didn't sit well with me. The SDAs in the comments are so combative, it's sad and very telling.

​@@SundropletThe SDA church was never meant to be a mainstream Christian church. That is for sure. If it was supposed to be that it would not have been established in the first place. I guess we could say that about all protestant denominations. Elce Lauriston misrepresents the SDA church teachings though. I'm sorry that so many SDAs and ex-SDAs are reporting that they never knew a true relationship with Christ. As an SDA, I wonder how and why that is.

Thank you for this, I felt pretty disheartened as an SDA after this

@@wandiletshabangu5456 please don't feel that way. The message and truth is getting out. Study and prayer for discernment. When we see this is someone's opinion. They need to bring Bible facts to the table especially when comparing to someone's writings.

@@claudettehendrix3501 Yes the truth is getting out! More and more people will finally be able to see the lies and falsehoods of Adventist doctrine and Ellen White

The doctrines are cut across. Just because you may not hear it when you go doesn't mean it's not there

This is their official doctrine. You are deceived. They try and snatch christians from the truth. That's why they are subtle.

Randy Skeete Doug Bachelor John Lomacong Ex-adventist will never have anything good to day about Adventist. Simple!

@@divinelyannointed3401 Ellen White is a demi-god in the church, I know this from experience. you are ostracized viciously if you disagree with her in any aspect. she is the infallible lesser light that leads infalliably to the greater light; a distinction without a difference

He specifically said Ivor Myers declined to join the conversation.

@@eijahholness337 Ivor made a statement on Facebook, he did not get the invite therefore he did not refuse the invite.

@@eijahholness337, Ivor Myers is in this thread of comments saying he was never invited.

If her teachings contradict the bible and you still agree with them. Then yes, you are clearly putting her above the bible.

@@JG-id5vi They don't contradict it.

@prayerpower1585 Scapegoat theory and investigative judgment is a false gospel. As paul says in Galatians, if anyone preaches another Gospel them be accursed. Jesus being Michael is heresy. Hebrews 1 Col 2 16-23 Stands in complete contradiction to your teachings and commands. 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. 20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations- 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)-according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

This quarters Sabbath school lesson is all based on the Great Controversy, her writings.

@@prayerpower1585lol wow

This is a public platform where opinions will certainly be shared. When a group of people feel mis represented on a platform such as this, it is understandable that they will respond. This is the second video they’ve done on this topic. The response to the first came from adventist on the platform. One of our well known Adventist Pastors commented on that video saying that they wanted to come on and talk so I highly doubt that they reached out to him and he declined it or didn’t respond.

Sure. Maybe you can help me understand what the point is of following and/or watching people whose teachings we don’t agree with? If we’re being honest, many are in their flesh and looking to argue and debate.

@@FreeIndeedA lot of Protestants (Including adventist) watch the Perry’s because of the things we like that they discuss. Their ministry is not about refuting adventist beliefs but discussing biblical principles and sharing their experiences on relationships and ministry from biblical principles. Thats why were we even seeing this content. So when misinformation is being shared from their platform of course we want to clear the air.

I agree that their channel is a blessing. God bless and enjoy your night.

@@FreeIndeedSome context: As the other commenter said a lot of people listen to the Perrys. It so happens that a lot of these people are SDAs. The Perrys are aware of this. The Perrys invited Eric Mason on to promote his book. The Perrys highly regard Eric Mason. In promoting his book Eric called SDAs a cult and cultish. The Perrys thought a lot of SDAs would take issue with this, which they did. The Perrys then invited Eric Mason on again to double down on his claims about SDAs supported by an ex-SDA who highly regards Eric.

you’re right where is it in this video? we need both sides

He did not reference any materials with citation

Does Scripture teach us that we can read each other's hearts? The ex-SDA guest agrees with Eric and Preston and Jackie regard him very highly. It is a very biased presentation. Their hearts are not plain to me. In fact, the goal of the first interview was to promote Eric's book.

I think they were trying to have a debate and some pastors are not interested in debating our beliefs as an effective tool to teach what we believe. Preston should have a sit down with someone.

He did but if they took it otherwise, that's on them

interesting ... someone with a mic and a camera can say anything and we believe it hook, line and sinker, but the Bible we question ... Isiah 8:20 says if you contradict the BIBLE you are in darkness ... (NOT my Words ... God's Word) ... so if anything they said was NOT true Biblically ... how can I believe anything they said??? Just an inquiring mind ... by the way ... can you prove to me they asked an Adventist Pastor to join them? (I happen to be one and would feel honored to have an open respectful dialogue with anyone about what the Bible actually teaches.) Or is that just again someone behind a mic saying they did and we believe them???

She had many false prophecies. Ellen White claimed that the future events were revealed to her directly from God. In her book The Great Controversy, she says as the Spirit of God has opened to my mind the great truth of his word, and the scenes of the past and the future, I have been bidden to make known to others that which has thus been revealed. From this statement we can take away that the Spirit of God opened her mind, according to Ellen White, and all of her predictions came from God, according to Ellen White. The Bible says in Deuteronomy 18:20-22: But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded or a prophet who speaks the name of other gods is to be put to death. You may say to yourselves “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord God?” God says “If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously so do not be alarmed. So if a prophet of God makes one false prediction - let me repeat that makes ONE false prediction - then they are not a true prophet of God. Rather they are a false prophet and should never be listened to or followed. False prediction number 1 - Jerusalem’s future. In her book The Early Writings, she says “Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes. I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing. I also saw that old Jerusalem never would be built up and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time.” This prophecy did not come true. Since the nation of Israel’s rebirth in 1948, old Jerusalem has been greatly built up. False prediction number 2 - England will attack the United States. In 1862 she predicted that when England does declare war against the north during the Civil War, all nations will have an interest of their own to serve and there will be general war, general confusion. The result will be that this nation, the United States, will be humbled into the dust. This was from Testimonies for the Church volume 1 page 259. American history clearly shows that England did not declare war against the United States during the Civil War and the United States was not humbled into the dust. So she made another false prediction. False prediction number 3 - the Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return. In her writings Testimonies for the Church Volume 1 page 260 she says “I saw greater distress in the land than we have yet witnessed. I heard groans and cries of distress and saw large companies in active battle. I heard the booming of the cannon, the clash of arms, the hand-to-hand fight and the groans and prayers of the dying…” So obviously there she’s talking about the civil war. Then she says “God’s people must take warning and discern the signs of the times. The signs of Christ’s coming are too plain to be doubted and in view of these things, everyone who professes the truth should be a living preacher… All heaven is astir. The scenes of Earth’s history are fast closing. We are amid the perils of the last days.” The Civil War ended in 1865 and Jesus has yet to return. Another failed prediction. False prediction number 4 - Jesus was to return in a few months. In her book The Early Writings, she says: In a view given June 27, 1850, my accompanying angel said “Time is almost finished…” said the angel “Get ready, get ready, get ready…” I saw that there was a great work to do for them but little time in which to do it. Then I saw that the last seven plagues were soon to be poured out upon those who have no shelter…Early Writings page 64. Mrs. White continues to relate her vision and makes a startling prediction that only a few months are left before the Lord will return. She says in her Early Writings page 67 “But now time is almost finished in what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months. They will also have much to unlearn and much to learn again.” She said this in 1850, it is now 1980 months that have passed. This is not a few months but is another failed prediction. False prediction number 5 - Adventists living in 1856 will be alive to see Jesus return. Over 135 years ago in May of 1856, Mrs. White made another fascinating prophecy during a meeting in Battle Creek Michigan. She said: I was shown the company present at the conference. Said the angel, “Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” All those seventh-day Adventists that were alive to hear that are now dead, nobody was translated by Jesus. Yet another failed prediction. False prediction number 6 - Christ would return before slavery was abolished. She says again in her Early Writings: I saw the pious slave rise in triumph and victory and shake off the chains that bound him, while his wicked master was in confusion and knew not what to do, for the wicked could not understand the words of the voice of God. Soon appeared the great white cloud…On its at the Son of man.” Slavery was not abolished for another six years after these statements, and the Lord hasn’t returned yet. Another failed prediction. False prediction number 7 - She saw Enoch on Jupiter or Saturn. She says “The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was living green and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes, they were noble, majestic and lovely. I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth. Then I was taken to a world which had seven moons. There I saw good old Enoch who had been translated. Early Writings page 39 and 40. Ellen’s husband James White verified her vision when he wrote: At our conference in Topsham, Maine last November “Ellen had a vision of the handiworks of God. She was guided to the planets Jupiter, Saturn and I think one more. After she came out of the vision, she could give a clear description of their moons. It was well known that she knew nothing of astronomy and could not answer one question in relation to the planets before she had this vision.” To this day highly detailed satellite pictures of Jupiter and Saturn have not revealed any life-forms of any size so I have no idea what Ellen White was talking about. So there you have it - seven failed predictions from Ellen White. Let’s talk about the truth for a minute. Ellen White said she had the spirit of prophecy directly from God. The truth is she did not. Ellen White said she had an accompanying angel given to her from God. The truth is she did not. The truth is that Ellen White built the seventh-day Adventist Church based on lies. The truth is that Ellen White is a false prophet and the best thing you can do as a Christian is to run away from this church as fast as you can. Then you should find a Christian Church that has Jesus Christ as its centerpiece and that is founded on the truth of the Bible. answering-seventhdayadventist.com/7-false-predictions-from-ellen-g-white-seventh-day-adventist/

@jlewis8145 First I must say, that MANY in the comments on the first and second video said that ALL of the doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventist Church can be proven from Scripture; not just with EGW. Because their is animosity against Seventh Day Adventistism because the Lord is brought forth in the teaching of His word in the Bible Sabbath; the accusations continue. Next, Ellen White is not your real issue; it is Bible Truth that is your issue. If there were no EGW there would still be a problem because many do not like the fact that the truth is being told that tradition has been placed over the Bible. However, to deflect from the Truth of the Bible, you and your friends have brought up Ellen White. That was my point. The work of a prophet is not only to predict future events. So once again; if you feel comfortable with giving wrong information you must stand before God and answer for doing the same thing that you are accusing Ellen White of doing. I have read the Great Controversy at least twice and listened to portions of it. It is exactly the truth. In fact, you are helping fulfill the prophecies in that awesome book. You do not want the truth out about that book. So you seek to pull her down. That is between you and God. I will research the information that you have listed. Many times people attempt to take her writings out of context. Some SDA pastors in the comments have told you that SDA' s DO NOT consider all of her writings as inspired. Yet you still insist on telling us what we believe. If you predict what will happen between Israel and Palestine and it does not occur in the manner in which you predicted it would; does that make you a false prophet or human? She never claimed to be God, above God or a prophetess. She fits the definition of a prophet. So she has been labeled a prophet. I know for sure that her messages about health and education are definitely right on point. What she said about smoking and Tobacco at the end of the nineteenth century and the early twentieth century came true. When all of the doctors and so called professionals of her day said in books and newspapers (the Internet of her day) that smoking is good for you and she said it was not, and a little small group believed and believed that God said that our bodies are the temple of God and would not engage in the habit of smoking and drinking they were blessed for it. And yes, over half a century later what she said; healthcare research proved to be accurate and correct. Additionally, she warned of the dangers of an unhealthy diet and the importance of exercise, drinking lots of water and avoiding caffeine, temperance , fresh air , getting proper sleep and trusting God's power; this too has now become part of medical science. The rest of the world is moving towards healthier diets free of animal products which she said was unhealthy over 100 years ago. Now the world is applying these principles. African Americans are the fastest growing number of individuals who are becoming vegan in the United States due to the healthcare crisis in the AA community and are reaping the benefits of it. I heard no one in these two podcasts mention about the only Blue Zone in the United States which located in Loma Linda, California which is a community of Seventh Day Adventists who live longer than most of the population because of their lifestyles. Lastly, she mentioned the importance of getting as much education as possible (though she did not believe all SDA's should spend many years in school just to obtain numerous degrees for prideful purposes and taking away time from working for souls) so that they could be of the best help to the world. That is the reason that Seventh Day Adventists have the largest parochial school system in the world; second only to the Catholic Church. You will find SDA's around the world as pastors teachers, doctors , lawyers, nurses plumbers, pilots (both missionary and non -missionary) farmers, judges, janitors, business men and women and any other profession that you can think of, uplifting the name of Jesus Christ through serving humanity. Some may have even taken care of you and your loved ones without ever mentioning that they were SDA. Our hospitals and schools serve people everyday with excellence and love (of course there are always exceptions)without regard to religion. The Holy Spirit has led my mind to a passage of Scripture that is applicable here: Acts 5:34-39 [34]Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; [35]And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. [36]For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. [37]After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. [38]And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: [39]But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. A false prophet? Hmmm. The Lord has done a mighty work through a little false prophet with only a fourth grade education. As the old song that many African Americans like to sing at the funerals of older people. "May the Work I've Done Speak For Me." I think her work speaks volumes for her commitment to Jesus Christ and His work.

​​@@user-be3el4sk3p Many false religions exist and have not been overthrown. Does that mean they are right? Ellen White's work speaks for her. 1. We know that God is omniscient. God already knew those who would be saved before he created the world. Ephesians 1:4 God never needs to investigate anything ever. To say otherwise is blasphemy, breaking the third commandment. Jesus Christ never started the Investigative Judgment on October 22, 1844. From reading the Bible, we know that Enoch, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elijah, Moses, Stephen, the thief on the cross etc., were already in heaven long before October 22, 1844. We also know from reading the Bible that Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God. It's been that way for 2,000 years now. Jesus never entered the Most Holy Place on October 22, 1844. ***** Everyone you see is a soul. Their soul is eternal. They will spend eternity in heaven or hell, as Jesus Christ said. **** There will never be a National Sunday Law. The great dividing issue at the end of time is not what day you worship. Those who worship God on the Sabbath will not be killed once the National Sunday Law goes into effect. God will not destroy with fire those who worship him on Sunday. That's just scare tactics. Only those who worship the beast will receive the mark of the beast. That's a requirement. Please read the New Testament for yourself as a child without the help of your church. 'God desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." God bless you!

​@@user-be3el4sk3p I have read the entire Bible 41 times. I have never come up with the teachings of the SDA church. The book, The Great Controversy, will not be in heaven. Only the word of Lord endures forever. I Peter 1:25; Isaiah 40:8 ❤

@@Elizabeth-rk3do I am so sorry that in that great book the Bible; God's love letter to us; that you have never read/studied about the Plan of Salvation, the Trinity, baptism, The beautiful Sanctuary message, God's law of liberty; the ten commandments, what occurs after death, the judgement which those who love and obey God will not have to fear, the wonderful blessing of God's Holy Sabbath, the gift of prophecy, health, spiritual gifts, and the description of Gods last day church; the remnant, The controversy between Christ and Satan, Christs Second Coming etc. That is what the Seventh Day Adventist Church teaches. Please go back and study as soon as possible while there is still time. God loves both you and I too much to leave us in ignorance. When we truly pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to us. When we truly seek Him for truth; He will never disappoint us; He will be found of us. Studying again to make it 42 times will make it an extra special experience when you are truly seeking for truth. You are correct; the book the Great Controversy will not be in heaven; the controversy will be over; it will not be necessary. The question is will you and I be there. I plan to be there by God's grace. Hope to see you there.

The Spirit was not given-nor can it ever be bestowed-to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. GC vii.3 Our faith, and our position in the world as commandment keepers is based on the Bible. Never should the Testimonies be brought in to take a high place than the Bible. EA 141.4 The more we look at the promises of the Word of God, the brighter they grow. The more we practice them, the deeper will be our understanding of them. Our position and faith is in the Bible. And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible. Ev 256.3

Now,I will agree with the bit of hostility of Eric Mason. I almost feel that’s his personality. But I’m not sure. It’s the posture on the couch 😂😂 He has that little lean and head tilt lol Those comments got to him. Lol

This comment is spot on! Mason and Elce have a history of how they deal with SDA doctrine. I'm sure Perry's are unaware, but you have rightly said, this was certainly not WITH THE PERRYS. This was with Mason & Thunder.

I peeped the same thing about his demeanor from his initial response to the comments on the first podcast episode about cults. There’s definitely a bias that shapes the conversation so it’s important to be careful. The Perrys, have a large platform and I am praying for them to continue in discernment of who they give access to. Just like Preston would engage Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons 1:1 on his channel, this conversation should have the same level of care and approach to be fair.

@@msnoel10exactly. You can’t bring someone with an obvious and clear agenda.

AGREED!!

Oh yes it is. I know personally and have attended SDA church for years. They don't preach the gospel.

@@susanma3483 Why did you attend for years then? & Have is present tense which means you still go so which one is it?

5:43 they actually addressed your request for a panel here. Did you watch the pod in its entirety?

The sda they reached out to refused to come

@@tracyakinade I saw you comment that a bunch of times. Obviously, I’m requesting it again.

Everything bro Just hinder said is not true. One error is that Ivor Myers was not invited therefore he did not decline an invitation. Thats just ONE error😮 there are plenty others. That one has been confirmed in the comments so I started there. SMH

well said @Mika_T_0317

Alot of them are lost. Because they don't know much. They know what's in their church what their pastor says, what EGW SAYS. that's it. So ofcourse alot of them under this post is going to disagree and say it's not so in their church... but every church is also doing their own thing

It was thunderously false.

But if yall aren’t following the historical foundation of SDA, then why still call yourself SDA? It sounds like yall are switching up the principles as time goes on…almost like yall realize they were not grounded in Truth… If I was an ex- cake baker from 10yrs ago vs a cake baker in 2024…that doesnt change the founding principles of how to bake a cake…so him being ex SDA shouldn’t take away from the principles of your faith ?🤔

The comment section isn’t the place to address your questions. The comment section isn’t the best place to address anything lol. But if I join the show I’ll be glad to address in depth your comment. Have a Blessed day!

@@tiad.9142SDA means believe in SEVENTH day sabbath and the ADVENT - second coming of Christ. Where should people who believe in those two things worship?

@@iriemo721 I see your trying to break the term down but SDA is a religion and every religion has foundational truths/doctrine. This is what I’m referring to…why not just change your name bc people who speak of SDA being a cult are basing it on the church history surrounding SDA…if yall have denounced that history then just say so vs making people out to be liars 🤔

@@iriemo721 you can worship in any Bible-believing congregation. The issue isn't sabbath-keeping or Saturday church attendance. it's about *salvific* sabbath-keeping and the unbiblical doctrine of Sunday "sacredness" and the idea of a false (or EGW's favorite word -- "spurious") sabbath forced upon everyone via the Sunday Law that will be enforced on pain of death both temporally and eternally (Mark of the Beast). It's ludicrous and a gross perversion of Revelation 13 and 14. Most Christians do not believe this, which is part of the reason Sundays tend to have the largest sporting events in the country -- almost nobody is treating it as sacred. Most of us take a Romans 14 view of the Sabbath and believe everyone should be convinced as the Holy Spirit leads. Not saying YOU feel this way, but I know many lapsed SDAs who -- even though they drink, smoke, use various substances, scam, out here living any kind of lifestyle in terms of sex, etc -- they limit or outright eliminate these things on the Sabbath... as if the Sabbath is the ultimately determining things in terms of salvation! This is a warped way to look at it, but several of these folk do feel that way, and for the sake of transparency, when I wrestled with some of these issues 20-odd years ago, I also refused to some "dirt" on the sabbath... but once sunset hit, the mask came off and it was back to "doing me". The Sabbath became an idol to me. it's that way for others too. We have to be honest with ourselves and really acknowledge if we're trusting in Jesus ALONE for our salvation or *anything* else, including "law-keeping". ALL have sinned. ALL are law-breakers, so unless you believe you are able to become sinlessly perfect and can stand before God without a mediator as EGW taught, then we have no choice but to fall on His grace and mercy. This is not cheap grace I'm advocating. It's pistis i.e. believing faith and allegiance in the living King - the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and HIS complete sinlessness to cover us. As I read the scriptures, there is no other way.

Adventist do not believe Ellen White is above the Bible.

Exactly and Adventist speaks blatantly that she is just a prophet and her readings do not supersede the bible ever ever.

AND NEVER WILL BE

Ellen White??

Does anything she wrote go against scripture?

Not sure about where you from . But from where I am from, the church encourages all members to understand the fundamental beliefs , during bible studies you question all these to be proven for the bible. The SDA church is fear based? Fear or what? You seem to describe a different kind of adventist.

It’s not fear based. There are pharisaical members(extremists) that may make it seem that way, but that is incorrect. Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus. It’s sad that someone gave you an impression that SDA’s believe otherwise.

@@user-yj8ip2rr2q Good to hear about the Bible studies at your church. To answer your question, here are three examples: -If a member leaves the denomination, they are no longer a part of the remnant. -The fear of Sunday worshipers and Sunday law. - The danger of legalism (not unique to the SDA church)

@@07Shellywell I agree that there are extremes in SDA, just like any other group. However, the core beliefs are the problem not the individual people.

I am a 5th generation Seventh Day Adventist. Every doctrine I can and do defend with the Bible and the Bible alone. If you reject God's moral law, reject the seventh day Sabbath, reject Christ perfect sacrifice, believe in in Christ preforming a second atonement, believe that humans are immortal just like the Buddhist believe you are not a Bible Believer.

Well said!

Most Adventist including myself have never heard of the clear word until these guys start claiming it's the Bible we use. I use the KJV. Second of all the individual that did the clear word book never intended to be a version of the Bible.

Thunder’s “explanation” about the Seventh Day Adventist believe concerning Michael is thunderously wrong. How could this man even claim to have been a Seventh Day Adventist and be this ignorant? Obviously facts don’t matter. First falsehood was that we believe Jesus Christ and Satan were basically “brothers” (taking that from what Thunder said). Jesus Christ never had a beginning and will never have an end. Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are one from eternity. 1 John 5:7 Jesus is the I AM “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob” that appeared to Moses. Jesus is “the Almighty”. Yes there were different individuals that did not totally understand the Trinity. Ellen White was not confused and believed and fought for the doctrine of the Trinity. I believe that one of the main reasons for her ministry was to advocate for the truth in this matter. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” (I will have more quotes from Ellen White concerning this at the bottom) Satan was created by God. The Bible says, “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” (Ezekiel 28:15) When Satan rebelled Jesus says “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” (Luke 10:18) “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (Revelation 12:9) Christ defeated Satan at the cross and ultimately Satan will be destroyed in Hell Fire. Concerning Michael the Archangel Revelation 12:7-10 says, And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. (9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Here Michael and “His angels” are fighting against the devil and the rebellious angels. Micheal is leading the battle against the devil. An angel is not leading this charge. Many angels rebelled against God and joined the devil. We see that in the reference “and the Dragon fought and his angels”. Jude 1:9-10 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (10) But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Here again fighting with the devil. Another reference to “His angels” Matthew 13:41-43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; (42) And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (43) Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 24:30-31 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Described as “His angels” just as in Revelation 12. In the Bible Jesus is called by other names to emphasize a point such as Emmanuel, “True and Faithful”, “Prince of Peace”, etc. Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. Here Michael is referred to as Daniel’s “Prince” which means “Lord”. An angel is definitely not Daniel’s Lord. If Michael and Gabriel were the same why didn’t he say “I am your prince”. The name Michael means “Who is like God?” Psalms 113:5 says, “Who is like unto the LORD our God, who dwelleth on high,” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Here the “voice of the Archangel” and “trump of God” raises the dead. An angel cannot raise the dead by his voice. Jesus is the Resurrection and Life. Jesus says, John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. It is blasphemy to call Michael an angel. The Bible never called Michael an angel. The word “Archangel” in this context is clearly pointing to the Divine One that created and “reigns over the angels”. In Exodus chapter 3 it says “And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him” But clearly in the context it is not an angel but the Lord God. “And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.” (Exodus 3:4-6) Context is very important. The Jesus that I worship is self-existent, eternal, the I AM, the Almighty, The Prince of Peace, our Redeemer. Read Isaiah 9:6,7; John 1:1-3,14: Philippians 2:5-11, Colossians 1:17; Matthew 1:21; Matthew 28:18-20; (Revelation 1:8) “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

Which teachings are not Biblically sound?

The Bible isn’t interpreted through Ellen whites writing. I’m sorry that’s been your experience.

Funny how you don't mention your church

Praise God that you left 🙌🏾 and exactly they have no idea that their doctrine is rooted in EGW whether they read her or not. The great controversy world view is all up and through that religion

@@christinafarmer9184 the faith is stands or falls on EG White

Thank God for your commitment to His Word. Keep seeking His truth!

Hey sis! Don’t let one belief that you personally like to practice keep you in a heretical belief system. Pastor Mike Winger has a great video that says this (women veiling). No matter what you say, you cannot divorce EGW from Adventism - in practice nor doctrine nor theory. I pray that God will reveal the truth to you.

I am a 5th Gen Seventh Day Adventist. Why would Tunder lie so much if he had truth? From Ellen White The Spirit was not given-nor can it ever be bestowed-to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20. GC vii.3 Our faith, and our position in the world as commandment keepers is based on the Bible. Never should the Testimonies be brought in to take a high place than the Bible. EA 141.4 The more we look at the promises of the Word of God, the brighter they grow. The more we practice them, the deeper will be our understanding of them. Our position and faith is in the Bible. And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible. Ev 256.3

What did Ellen White say about the pre-existence of Christ? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? What did she believe about the gospel? “The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God.” “Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.” “From all eternity Christ was united with the Father, and when He took upon Himself human nature, He was still one with God.” But while God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding his preexistence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with his Father. From everlasting he was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted him, were to be blessed. ‘The Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God. “Christ was God essentially, and in the highest sense. He was with God from all eternity, God over all, blessed forevermore.” “From the days of eternity the Lord Jesus Christ was one with the Father; He was “the image of God,” the image of His greatness and majesty, ‘the outshining of His glory.’” “The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, ‘whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.’ Micah 5:2” “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.” “The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” “Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, “It is written.” Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.” “Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfilment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.” “Those who are baptized in the threefold name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, at the very entrance of their Christian life declare publicly that they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King.” “The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God.” “The Sacrifice of Christ as an atonement for sin is the great truth around which all other truths cluster. In order to be rightly understood and appreciated, every truth in the Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, must be studied in the light that streams from the cross of Calvary. I present before you the great, grand monument of mercy and regeneration, salvation and redemption,-the Son of God uplifted on the cross. This is to be the foundation of every discourse given by our ministers.” “The cross of Calvary challenges, and will finally vanquish every earthly and hellish power. In the cross all influence centers, and from it all influence goes forth. It is the great center of attraction; for on it Christ gave up His life for the human race. This sacrifice was offered for the purpose of restoring man to his original perfection; yea, more. It was offered to give him an entire transformation of character, making him more than a conqueror.” “Never should a sermon be preached, or Bible instruction in any line be given, without pointing the hearers to “the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” John 1:29. Every true doctrine makes Christ the center, every precept receives force from His words.” “No discourse should ever be presented without presenting Christ and Him crucified as the foundation of the gospel.” “The study of the incarnation of Christ, His atoning sacrifice, and mediatorial work, will employ the mind of the diligent student as long as time shall last.” “On the cross of Calvary, Christ made a full and complete atonement for the fallen race. He died because of our sin. This was the only way in which we could be pardoned. Holiness is the fruit of Christ’s infinite sacrifice in our behalf. It was not for His friends, but for His enemies, that Christ made this sacrifice, for those who He declared would not come to Him that they might have life, for those who chose earthly pleasures and earthly riches. He longs to save those who have given themselves up to the world. He calls upon them to choose His service, to give themselves wholly into His control, to wear His yoke, and learn of Him how to be meek and lowly, how to do God’s will. “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” “Jesus is our atoning sacrifice. We can make no atonement for ourselves; but by faith we can accept the atonement that has been made. ‘For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God.’ ‘Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, ...but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.’ No man of earth, no angel of heaven, could have paid the penalty for sin. Jesus was the only one who could save rebellious man. In Him divinity and humanity are combined, and this was what gave efficacy to the offering on Calvary's cross. At the cross, mercy and truth met together; righteousness and peace kissed each other.” “If the cross does not find an influence in its favor, it creates an influence. Through generation succeeding generation, the truth for this time is revealed as present truth. Christ on the cross was the medium whereby mercy and truth met together, and righteousness and peace kissed each other. This is the means that is to move the world.”

Thank you for this!

Amen!

Well one of the main issues is that if you claim to worship the God of the Bible, there is not “struggle” between good and evil. The Lord has already won against Satan, he is a defeated foe…and you could start a church that actually teaches the Bible but worships on Saturday…Colossians 2:16-17 ultimately states it doesn’t matter about which day is the Sabbath bc Christ has redeemed us from keeping the stringent stipulations of the Law

All facts bro. Big up yourself too. Thank you.

I’m sorry that this was your experience. As an SDA it was never mine. There is a wide spectrum of thought in the SDA faith and some individuals, specific churches horribly tainted the truth. It’s so unfortunate the entire church hets painted with a broad brush based on the errors of a few.

Just start please! Want to hear what you have to say. I was ONCE SDA!

They are just the messengers for truth. People want to dispute with this men are saying, but the fact is this stuff is doctrinally written under the SDA Church, and if the foundation is falsehood, then we can’t call it truth I thank God for the Perry bringing things like this to light, the fact that Ellen White exist is problematic. The Bible says it is a finished work the fact that somebody came along in the 1800s and claims to have had a vision or a dream and comes up with 28 principles or anything else foundation, and tries to connect it to the Bible And it contradicts it is false and at the foundation of something is false. Then you must question all the rest. The Bible stands alone. It doesn’t need an Ellen White or a Joseph Smith from the LDS or a watchtower from the Jehovah’s Witnesses anytime these religions have a separate person that comes out after the Bible and they put their information in print and connect as a supplement to the word of God you already know that that’s a false hood right there again thank God for the, these gentlemen, truth, and people are mad at the passengers the things that this man was reading out of those 28 principles he only got through a few of them and they all contradicted the word of God and the fact that any SDS don’t even know this is problematic, thank God for the truthGod gets it to us however he can and our job after that is to make the correction. Thank you again Preston.

@@gratefultrust it is too much to discuss via a comment section reply. Thanks

@@natashamartin2014wise. Nothing to discuss, especially with people not interested in hearing.

I want to understand! I’m so confused.

I pray that this video and others reveal to you the gospel of Jesus and that you’re able to understand why SDA doctrine isn’t correct. Please follow Answering Adventism and Former Adventist here on KZfaq. They will go more in depth with why the SDA church has a false gospel. I pay the Holy Spirit will lead you to a Bible based church where you can learn and grow.

Thank you for the recommendations.

Amen our allegence should bé to Yaweh and not a dénomination ❤❤❤

Thank you for your honesty!