Always use protection

@@rednecktech9485 I knew someone would go for it. I tee'd it up for you. that's actually a great thumbnail or title!

Commented on my experience directly with this protection pad…any help would be appreciated!

The ets 125 comes with a normal piece of granat sandpaper. I understand you wanted to use net paper but did you not think to put on the piece they included to make sure there wasn't a problem with the sander pad or do you only use net paper? Did you let it sit there for 4 months just because it couldn't use net paper? I have so many questions. Did your sander not come with the one very generous sheet of 120 paper festool bestows on there 249 dollar sander kit? What the hell happened for you to not figure this out?

Probably very few of you yeah. I switched to hand planes and card scrapers just because I hate sanding so much

definitely not. i find it therapeutic, same with hand planing a large piece of wood. i put on some music or an audiobook and take my time.

I like it a lot too but sometimes it can drag on tbh. But I always feel good afterwards (except my neck from looking down all day)

It takes a long time to go through all the grits. It requires a respirator or you’re compromising your health. It’s loud. It requires no skill. It’s not satisfying to go from not sanded to sanded. So yeah the community is pretty vocal about it and it seems like you’re definitely in the minority. Finishing, on the other hand, is enjoyable. At least the first coat, when the wood goes from raw to what it will look like finished. Multiple coats doesn’t really change anything so that’s not as rewarding.

I find it therapeutic too, and I like how fine sanded wood feels so smooth and looks amazing : )

The gummy bear gig economy is under rated!

Great info Peter! Thank you for watching. You made my week. I’ve been a big fan of yours for several years. 🤜💥🤛 P.s: I’m gummy bear poor now.

Aw shucks! Thank you! I’m surprised too. Had to make it. Have you had that experience? Which sander do you have?

@@wittworks Yeah I have experienced it with my bosch sander. At first I just noticed that it wasn’t a very secure connection, but it woudn’t fly off. But after just a couple of discs, they all started shooting across my garage after a couple seconds of sanding. Great info about how the hooks stick through the mesh. I had never thought about that, but it makes so much sense.

3m's abrasive tech is what is advanced, but the hook and loop tech is the issue. I hear that mirka doesnt have the issue because they've always used net disc. Mirka patent expired, 3M entered the net market, but everyone else has hook and loop backing...now I understand. Glad this helped!

Thank you sir!

One good (cool) thing about Festool vacuums is they all have the same power. The difference is just in dust capacity before emptying

Nicely done. Yep. Always a better thing.

Thank you. You were ahead of the curve!

SAME. thank you for catching the spirit of the video!

Was just about to run out and buy a pack of Xtract paper. Adding a protector pad to the list. Thanks man 👍🏼

Thank you!

The animator was so much more expensive. Required a truck load of gold fish.

You're welcome! Glad it helped you. I was there too!

Jacob, you are the reason I made this video! I am surprised no one else has addressed it.

@@wittworksthe information is definitely out there as I somehow learned it years ago when I bought my festool. Not sure if it’s widely shown in KZfaq videos but I got it from somewhere. Seems like it would be standard day one procedure to put a pad on your expensive festool or mirka. That’s what I did, but again, I’m not sure where I learned it.

I always used a protection pad no matter what sand paper I was using. The first thing I did when I got my festool is put a pad on it. It never occurred to me that people would run expensive sanders without a pad since replacing the pad is cheap and replacing part of your sander is not. That being said, I can see how a net paper would wear it out faster than regular paper.

You’re welcome! Glad I could help.

I thought the same thing!

!!!! This is why I made the video! 🙏 THANK YOU

I was about to ditch mine too. Weird since everything 3M makes is perfect

Yeah, they don’t think about consumers or woodworkers. Their main clients are auto and aerospace who put in million dollar purchase orders. Makes since when you think of it like that. Still! Sucks.

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You're welcome!

Always use protection.

Thank you Tim! Jason is alright. 😏

oh wow! Let me know if it works for you like it did for me.

Very true. I think why they don’t is because their main business is industry. They have million dollar contracts and those pros know.

Glad I could help

Good to know! I went to Hd last night after I published the video and bought some.

@@wittworks Curious how the Diablo rates to sandpapers other than anything made by 3M for you? Most people watching videos aren't running large production shops. I was hoping for real world results, that would apply to the hobbyists working out of their garage or pole barn. If a sheet of sandpaper costs pennies on the dollar but only adds a few minutes to a project it's probably a fair trade off for many if not most weekend woodworkers. I boycotted 3M years before they came out with mesh sandpaper. I can't think of a company that goes harder on planned obsolescence! The "other large yt channel" they sponsor that designed a test and acutely chose data to suggest we should all only by 3M sandpaper and change it out every few minutes or we're apparently "turning a couple hour project into possibly weeks" only provided more evidence I made the right decision with the boycott. Unfortunately I lost a lot of faith in said yt channel too.

Awesome! And yes. All the time.

@@wittworks I was thinking that too! Both hot!

You might have got a pad with your devil discs. 🤪 Many say they do. Im at Home Depot right now about to buy some to see for myself.

Thanks man. Your right it was in the middle of the pack. I think this pack came with 50 assorted sheets. This is off topic but that chisel commercial you did was as good as anything on tv.

@@chrisp7957 thank you! I’ll call nbc and apply for a job. I got a pack last night and got a pad with it. Very interesting. Consumers like us aren’t 3Ms priority so I understand why they don’t include it. But still. It would be nice to have a consumer pack.

Thank you. I just showed the animator your comment. He said thank you.

Thanks! Yeah they went through a bunch. Ordered another 300 and sold out quickly too. 3m called them to ask what was up!

​@@wittworks Haha, I'll bet sudden orders totaling 600 units for a somewhat obscure part from a hobbyist-oriented reseller leapt out on someone's spreadsheet! Mike Taylor should tell 3M that they owe you a commission - or at least a couple year's supply of abrasive products 😁

I wish!

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Thanks

Nice. Probably because they invented net backing and they know better.

Yeah I didn’t have any issues whatsoever with the xtraxct paper. It’s because I had a crappy dewalt sander and the bottom disc part broke off after one project because it has plastic drive parts. I returned it and went with festool. But when researching why my dewalt broke and why the festool wouldn’t I came across the idea of using backing pads. So from day one I was using the pads regardless of the sandpaper. I literally haven’t had a single problem that people are listing in the comments here. And I can’t help but wonder if people are expecting sandpaper to last longer than it should. JKMs tests show that even after five minutes the 3m still works better than new paper from competition. But still, you’re getting five to ten minutes out of paper. It’s a consumable. How long are y’all trying to make this stuff last. If you get a single tabletop out of a piece that’s all you can ask for.

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Thank you! I paid your boy Doc $5k to teach me. Stay tuned for the (sponsored) review of StainBooster and SuperBits

@@wittworks hey man low key I like doc 😆

Working on a cartoon logo and an intro.

I know...I hope 3M is eaves dropping...is that how you spell it?

You can buy the Bosch M480 mesh sandpaper in a multipack that includes a Pad Saver as well :) I almost want to say that I saw the sale thing from 3M, but I'm not sure. I think their multi pack doesn't include the Pad saver. I just got myself 4 of the Bosch pad savers for my new GEX 12V-125 sander, and hopefully I'll have time to actually test it out tomorrow :)

That’s great! I want to test that sander. A lot of people recommend it to me. Let me know how you like it.

@@wittworks yeah, it looks and feels great! I really like the form factor and the ergonomics of it. So far I've only started it, with an almost drained battery, and it's very quiet and very low vibration, but I don't know how good it will actually sand yet :) I got a few of the M480 papers, and a few of the Bosch F355 papers(for coatings and composites) and I'm waiting for a multipack of the Xtract to arrive, and I'll test and compare them for different use cases :) Sure, I'll report back when I've actually sanded something with it :) need to strip of some varnish of a pair of oak door sills so that I can stain them to match my dark oak floors.

@@wittworks So, I finally had time to actually use my GEX 12V-125 sander the other day, both with M480 mesh sand"paper" and the F355 sandpaper from Bosch. Yeah, I really like this machine, it's just fantastic :) The ergonomics is more or less exactly like an Airsander, but it doesnt get cold and is much less noisy. I'd say it's the most quiet sander I've ever used, with a significant margin. Low vibrations as well, just like all other Bosch Professional tools I own so far. It is surprisingly powerful for a 12V sander that only weighs 800grams without the battery, and with the 3AH batteries it is very well balanced. Even with a 400 grit F355 paper and the second to lowest speed I had to be careful to not sand through the 2 coats of ZAR polyurethane varnish I had put on the day before on some oak. I sanded away the factory varnish on 2 oak door sills in maybe 8-10 minutes with 80 grit M480 paper and the battery was showing 2 out of 3 bars when I was done. The built-in dust collection is actually very good, and with the Bosch Ventaro vaccum I have, I actually had more dust coming out of the vacuum when I connected it to the sander, than what the sander left behind if I didnt use the vacuum! That probably means that the bag I have in the Ventaro isnt all that great, I'll have to check that out. There was more or less no dust left on the workpieces when using the vacuum, but some in the workshop air :P The vacuum is also a lot louder than the sander on full speed, and it makes the sander a lot more bulky. I see myself using the sander with its built-in dustcolletion quite a lot in the future. The sanding pad stops almost instantly when you turn the sander of, and it gets up to speed very quickly, one of the benefits of Brushless motors I guess. It is of course not the most powerful sander, but the compactness and relative power is fantastic. Sure, a multitool with a sanding pad is also fairly compact and powerful, but not as good at sanding as real random orbit sander. All in all, I'm very happy that I bought the sander and it more or less convinced me that I want to get a Bosch GET 55-125 or GET 75-150 for bigger sanding jobs (I have a 13,5x2,55m sailboat that I need to sand the entire deck and hull to paint it for example). Sadly I dont really think any of the other Bosch sanders will offer as good ergonomics as the GEX 12V-125 or the GEX 18V-125, and perhaps the GET models are simply to big and powerful for finish sanding, so I may consider a Mirka Deros or 3M Xtract sander instead, not sure yet :)

Hilarious.

Right?! But as I think about it, they probably don't because they expect you to use THEIR sandpaper...

I will check it out! I saw that one last year when I was choosing between festool and them. I'm dumb and ultimately chose festool because it didn't look like a rounded shop vac like the makita has and I preferred festool's hose storage 🙈. My friend has the Fein....good possible idea! gotta go! she's right behind me and i dont want her reading over my shoulder.

Which sander?

@@wittworks festool ETS 150/5 eq it came with two pads

Interesting. My 150/3 and 125 didn’t