Wizard Multiclass Tier Ranking in D&D 5e

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@NorX50
@NorX50 10 ай бұрын
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@sagenod440 10 ай бұрын
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@rcschmidt668 10 ай бұрын
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@MichaelAbbott-sl2di
@MichaelAbbott-sl2di 10 ай бұрын
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@Fishbiene
@Fishbiene 10 ай бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time Monty called the Battlesmith the Battlemaster, I'd have 3 nickels
@Chaundev
@Chaundev 9 ай бұрын
Was actually curious to see if someone mentioned this. 😂 Was a bit distracting when I kept picturing a fighter while he talked about the Artificer.
@jalatovibes2128
@jalatovibes2128 9 ай бұрын
It's not a lot, but it's an odd coincidence that it happened thrice!
@VulcanWolf
@VulcanWolf 8 ай бұрын
​@@jalatovibes2128Whenever I see people who get the reference, it puts a smile on my face.
@justinstreet1254
@justinstreet1254 10 ай бұрын
It should be noted that artificers are the only half caster that calculates spell slot multiclassing as half their level rounded up rather than down. Meaning 1 level artificer dip doesn't cost any spell slot scaling. Edit-also my dudes I think hexblade abjuration wizard is worth at least a c. Armor of shadows invocation gives free quick and consistent out of combat ward charging, you get medium armor and shields on your wizard, and you get armor of Agathys to upcast to the moon of anything gets close. It's pretty disgusting if you research how armor of Agathys works with the arcane ward. Oh man and how could I forget to mention the MEAT GRINDER that is magic missile and hexblade curse! Thanks again for the video dudes love you guys. - signed a treantmonk acolyte
@1Lanavis1
@1Lanavis1 10 ай бұрын
I honestly hate that only since I feel all half casters Should either have that or all should not. It feels like another example of wotc unnecessarily trying to sneak in buffs to wizards
@KingOfMadCows
@KingOfMadCows 10 ай бұрын
I wonder why they didn't just bring back 2/3rd caster for the Artificer instead of making an exception for them.
@jakubgodlewski9104
@jakubgodlewski9104 10 ай бұрын
​@@KingOfMadCowsI mean that would still make them an exception
@nickm9102
@nickm9102 10 ай бұрын
​@@1Lanavis1they actually looked at doing this with Ranger and Paladin. That is when they included cantrips for the class. Personally I feel like that should be the case. It would definitely improve the one lvl dip with them and other like casters. That way your druid can have fun with something like a great axe "You hand your minions glii my friends with an axe similar to this one... It's time I show you how it felt. Plus it seems like they use cantrips as the indicator of round up or down.
@increasing_entropy5073
@increasing_entropy5073 10 ай бұрын
Plus it gives access to spells that the wizard doesn't normally have. Ex. Guidance and Cure Wounds
@legomaniac213
@legomaniac213 10 ай бұрын
A wizard using cunning action to disengage is what I like to call "The Rincewind Maneuver"
@shuriksokol
@shuriksokol 10 ай бұрын
1 level artificer dip doesn’t slow your spell slot progression, slows your spell progression only by 1 level (you also sacrifice 1 wizard spell prepared for int modifier (so, 3-4 at start, eventually 5) artificer spells prepared), gives you proficiency in medium armor & shields, constitution saving throws, cure wounds & faerie fire, and you end up with the same amount of feats (only delayed by 1 level) If this isn’t an S tier dip, I don’t know what is
@eleishar18
@eleishar18 10 ай бұрын
Dip yes, but Dudes have to rate multiclass as whole. Of course, Fighter gets almost always A+ even though most of the it's about Dip, but well, two levels are enough for probably the strongest ability in whole 5E.
@jmckay2998
@jmckay2998 10 ай бұрын
As part of the rules, they have to start off as a wizard. That means no Con save proficiency and I believe no medium armor either. Basically it gives you healing spells and cantrips
@shuriksokol
@shuriksokol 10 ай бұрын
@@jmckay2998 1. Still gives you medium armor & shields proficiency, no matter if you start as artificer or multiclass into it later 2. Dudes mentioned starting artificer themselves & have been mentioning starting as a dip class so many times during this series, I believe it’s not unreasonable to consider that 3. This rule seems strange overall, why not consider starting as a dip class? Especially since Dudes mention that option all the time
@adriel8498
@adriel8498 10 ай бұрын
​@@jmckay2998not really, when they rated the fighter they said starting as fighter for the armor prof.
@maybevoldemort8995
@maybevoldemort8995 10 ай бұрын
Yeah it is insanely good. It is up there with the hexadin combo
@bijnahonderdeuro
@bijnahonderdeuro 10 ай бұрын
Artificer 1/wizard X is S tier. Amazing proficiency with Con save, medium armour + shield and thieves' tools, 0 multiclass requirements, even guidance for out of combat. If you get war caster or DM handwaves components, fairy fire, thorn whip, spare the dying and sanctuary are also good spells the wizard doesn't get. Cure wounds can come in clutch too.
@hah-vj7hc
@hah-vj7hc 10 ай бұрын
2 levels even. You'll get Mind Sharpener to aid your concentration saves further and Enhance Wand to get a +1 to spell attacks
@hah-vj7hc
@hah-vj7hc 10 ай бұрын
Although a Wizard with a generous Artificer companion is stronger. As a video gamer, Artificer is what my optimized party needs for sure because it makes the other characters stronger. On a table with an Artificer plyer, they might not want to buff others that much
@SavageGreywolf
@SavageGreywolf 10 ай бұрын
@@hah-vj7hc your argument is 'two characters are stronger than one character' and that is a feat worthy of a captaincy in the army of the obvious.
@hah-vj7hc
@hah-vj7hc 10 ай бұрын
@@SavageGreywolf It's not my argument, you paragon of gaslighting. And since you're probably not interesting in understanding my actual argument, I'm gonna leave it at that.
@hah-vj7hc
@hah-vj7hc 10 ай бұрын
​@@SavageGreywolf But I also have to say that an IQ greater than your number of toenails is enough to grasp what I just said. (I just called you stupid, which you might have overlooked)
@patrickhobing8785
@patrickhobing8785 10 ай бұрын
Artificer is a standout build with 1 level at first. Take Cure Wounds, Guidance, Magic Stone (give these to undead or Tiny servants for a consistent bonus action) as spells known/ prepped all add to the options the wizard can take drastically. Add in Medium Armor, Shields and con save proficiency and this is a stellar MC for almost any wizard.
@Finckelstein
@Finckelstein 10 ай бұрын
It's literally the strongest combo in the game. It plugs all the holes the wizard has.
@Dramatic_Gaming
@Dramatic_Gaming 10 ай бұрын
I converted a friend on this a long time ago. Starting Artificer 1 is flat-out the best way to play a wizard.
@MrBeardedgelfling
@MrBeardedgelfling 10 ай бұрын
I'd say it's worth a two-level dip - maybe not at level 1 and then 2... but maybe as you level 6 pickup when you have some really powerful 3rd-level concentration spells. For the Mind Sharpener infusion - you get to auto-pass up to 4 concentration saves (don't worry about the whole 1d4 charges back every day... just recreate the infusion after a long rest - the whole 4d thing is so stupid as you can circumvent it so easily), which is crazy powerful. Especially as we also have Con save proficiency. And then probably an Enhanced Arcane Focus.
@WolfHreda
@WolfHreda 10 ай бұрын
Yes, if you're multiclassing the Wizard with anything, I'd generally only dip two levels. And it would almost always be either Fighter or Artificer. Especially if you're going all the way to 20th level, I will always go Wizard 18 for Spell Mastery. A 1st and 2nd level spell that essentially become extra cantrips for you? That's better than Signature Spells, in my opinion. Especially considering there are two such spells that don't benefit at all from upcasting, and could thus be permanent fixtures in your arsenal.
@StriderZessei
@StriderZessei 10 ай бұрын
​@WolfHreda yup. Especially Shield if you're a Bladesinger.
@DieDieNacho
@DieDieNacho 10 ай бұрын
Im super excited to see Colby's Wizard / Druid build after this 😂
@agilemind6241
@agilemind6241 10 ай бұрын
They did the druid dirty here. Two levels of Starry Druid for the auto-10 on your concentration from Dragon Form, plus you get healing word, faerie fire, entangle but mostly you just get 4 extra 1st level spells prepared so you can prepare more higher level wizard spells.
@logancuster8035
@logancuster8035 10 ай бұрын
@@agilemind6241 Agreed, in general I think they have underestimated the low level Druid spells, and extra preparation shots, throughout this series
@jackk8756
@jackk8756 10 ай бұрын
@agilemind6241 agreed! I’ve been playing a graviturgy wizard plus stars druid and it’s very fun and also hella thematic. That dragon form is great for sure, and I’ve also used the archery form a surprising amount. Plus even if you’re not maxing wisdom it’s a really good stat to bump on anyone for those wisdom saves and perception checks
@andrewfortier5929
@andrewfortier5929 10 ай бұрын
@@logancuster8035for real. You really only need 2 levels. Even just doing it for the moon Druid 2 cr1 wild shapes per short rest. That’s an extra 74 HP which is nothing to scoff at for a wizard at almost any level and you can cast a concentration spell and use your bonus action to get into the wild shape.
@Starcoffin
@Starcoffin 10 ай бұрын
I would rather the dragon form twice per short rest over mind sharpener 4 times a day.
@laszloszikorszky9866
@laszloszikorszky9866 10 ай бұрын
“Can you Bladesong while wild shaped?” I can literally hear Colby writing the script for a Moon-Singer
@Tusitala1967
@Tusitala1967 10 ай бұрын
You need hands to hold a weapon though. Maybe Ape? Maybe Alter Self prior to shifting?
@laszloszikorszky9866
@laszloszikorszky9866 10 ай бұрын
@@Tusitala1967 Bladesong says: “You can use a bonus action to start the Bladesong, which lasts for 1 minute. It ends early if you are incapacitated, if you don medium or heavy armor or a shield, or if you use two hands to make an attack with a weapon” a bear is definitely not making two handed attacks, nor are we donning armor, neither are we wearing a shield, so I think it works.
@Tusitala1967
@Tusitala1967 10 ай бұрын
@@laszloszikorszky9866 This is true! I guess I always imagine adding a cantrip onto the melee attack, so I added that weapon requirement. Maybe there is something here... 😃
@destroyerinazuma96
@destroyerinazuma96 2 ай бұрын
​@@laszloszikorszky9866That made me think: Mountain Dwarf with their early 18 Int 18 Wis access could have Wildshape reach very high AC numbers on a MoonSinger with a Monk dip. It's not really optimal but theoretically it works. A variant (which is fine with dual classing) is a high Dex Wildshape with an ally who casts Mage Armor on you. A Wildshape with 16 Dex = 16 AC, plus 18 Int Bladesong = 20. The build is online at level 6 (Wizard 2/Druid 4).
@pungoblin9377
@pungoblin9377 10 ай бұрын
Pro tip for players who want to name their character Gandagorn: be prepared for every other player to call you Candy Corn for the entire game
@twicedeadmage
@twicedeadmage 8 ай бұрын
Embrace it. Being defeated by Gandagorn is noble defeat, being bested by Candy Corn is humiliating.
@captainkiwi77
@captainkiwi77 10 ай бұрын
I would argue, on behalf of the artificer. Even if you don’t take it to 3rd level it still has a lot more to offer than was noted, you get armour first off and shields, but for spells you can also take your pick with a 1 level dip between fairy fire, sanctuary, and cure wounds, also guidance as an option for a cantrip. The one level dip alone makes those early wizard levels so much more survivable Edit: everything good you had to say about your A+ cleric dip applied to the early level artificer but cast through your intelligence modifier.
@andrewthompson9619
@andrewthompson9619 10 ай бұрын
You actually can Eldritch Blast with INT in BG3; the Spell Sniper feat gives you a cantrip from a short list, Eldritch Blast among them. Granted, Agonizing blast still adds your CHA, not INT but I think repelling blast still works.
@saiwaqa2573
@saiwaqa2573 10 ай бұрын
Question. In BG3 we can read scrolls of wizards with a 1 level dip. If I chose to go sorcerer with a 1 lv wizard dip, would those spells I learn from scrolls still be INT based?
@andrewthompson9619
@andrewthompson9619 10 ай бұрын
@@saiwaqa2573 Yeah. Since you're learning them through a Wizard feature, they're considered Wizard spells and they use INT.
@saiwaqa2573
@saiwaqa2573 10 ай бұрын
@@andrewthompson9619 a shame. So it only makes sense to reverse the dip. But if I want evocation and not abjuration I don't see the reason I should besides meta magic. That said can I use meta magic for INT based spells? If not, it sounds like a bad multiclass even in bg3
@fearthepiggaming2998
@fearthepiggaming2998 10 ай бұрын
I literally cannot make a wizard without taking my first level in artificer anymore that con proficiency is stupidly underrated and the fact that I could potentially have healing spells as a wizard is always useful
@yitlerxyeezus
@yitlerxyeezus 10 ай бұрын
i prefer fighter. let's you combo your spells
@richardduncan2954
@richardduncan2954 10 ай бұрын
​@@yitlerxyeezus2 levels fighter 3 levels artificer and then wizard the rest.
@BigPurpleCarrot
@BigPurpleCarrot 9 ай бұрын
​@@richardduncan2954then you're not getting 3rd level spells until level 10...
@destroyerinazuma96
@destroyerinazuma96 2 ай бұрын
I mean... Mark of Healing Wizard with Resilient Con does have some of the dip's features. The dip has more quality-of-life baked in, I'll give it that. And it doesn't come with a feat tax.
@kevin8499
@kevin8499 10 ай бұрын
Artificer adds their level rounded up so 1 level of artificer is considered a full level of spell caster, 3 levels of artificer is considered 2 and so on
@chrisvossler8795
@chrisvossler8795 10 ай бұрын
Our party wizard took a single level of artificer to start for the armor proficiency and CON save proficiency. That also doesn't hurt spell slot progression since artificer rounds up instead of down. Those 3 things are why I like Aetificer 1/Wizard X as a multiclass.
@bskec2177
@bskec2177 10 ай бұрын
If you make a Bladesinger, and you start with one level of Draconic Sorcerer, you get a Base AC of 13, prof. in Con saves, and a single bonus HP. For a single level dip, that's not bad - and it doesn't slow you slot progression, and only one level of spell progression. It's not bad for a War Mage either.
@iammattis1479
@iammattis1479 10 ай бұрын
Stars Druid is actually fantastic if you’re playing an Abjuration wizard; with two levels, you can use a bonus action to ensure you succeed on every counterspell or dispel magic check you make for 10 minutes. It also helps out with Telekinesis if that’s something you want to focus on. Spores Druid works pretty well as a dip for Abjuration wizard as well once you get your hands on Tasha’s Otherworldly Guise. Alternatively, you could go bladesinger and use spells like Mirror Image and Blur to keep your temp HP up. Shepherds Druid can shore up your summons a little bit? Maybe would pair well with Animate Objects or a Necromancer. Also worth noting that the Unicorn Spirit would enable you to heal summoned undead or constructs a little bit when you cast spells like Healing Word so long as they’re within the aura when you cast it. There’s also some cool infiltration stuff you can do with Wild Shape and the Illusionist’s “Hypnotic Gaze” feature or the Diviner’s “Third Eye” feature if you turn into something unassuming like a rat or a spider and then sneak around, maybe adding Pass Without Trace? Works well for information gathering or getting the jump on a group of enemies.
@bray2964
@bray2964 10 ай бұрын
One thing of note with the lvl 1 Artificer dip is that it's the only class for which your Spellcasting level is rounded up, so if you have one Artificer level, you'll actually have the same amount of spell slots as a wizard of the same level. This makes the dip fantastic for Necromancers and Conjurers, as you can just use your highest slot to upcast Animate Dead and your summoning spells. But since these spells can be picked up for each wizard, that makes this benefit apply to all subclasses
@ElMagico2006
@ElMagico2006 10 ай бұрын
You guys are sleeping on the Stars Druid. The archer form gives you a great bonus action blast attack, and dragon form helps you be a concentration god.
@1rotzy
@1rotzy 10 ай бұрын
1 level artificer/2 levels stars druid/X levels wizard. Concentration isn't bring dropped unless you die.
@BigPurpleCarrot
@BigPurpleCarrot 9 ай бұрын
​@@1rotzyI rather take 3 extra levels of wizard and take resilient con
@nephalos666
@nephalos666 8 ай бұрын
@@BigPurpleCarrot same. Delaying spell *level* progression (not slots, but levels) just isn't worth it to me. I'll pick up resilient constitution or war caster. However, I will admit that if you're not overly concerned with getting level 7, 8, and 9th spells and are wanting to play a bladesinger, picking up Battle Smith to use INT for your attack rolls is super good.
@TheKilogram1000
@TheKilogram1000 10 ай бұрын
My guess is that the only good multiclassing will be Rogue, Fighter, and Artificer, and the best thing is staying single classed. I look forward to watching!
@Jaeger62
@Jaeger62 10 ай бұрын
Maybe a cleric dip for heavy armor?
@TheKilogram1000
@TheKilogram1000 10 ай бұрын
@@Jaeger62 But you get that with Fighter. Though maybe if you don't want to sacrifice spellcasting?
@lucassilvateixeira3730
@lucassilvateixeira3730 10 ай бұрын
​@@TheKilogram1000Cleric can also give you cantrips and 1st level spells that wizards don't have access too, with some channel divinity being very useful for wizards.
@TheKilogram1000
@TheKilogram1000 10 ай бұрын
@@lucassilvateixeira3730 Now that you mention it, a wizard with Bless does sound good.
@lucassilvateixeira3730
@lucassilvateixeira3730 10 ай бұрын
@@TheKilogram1000 A wizard with Guidance, Cure Wounds, Bless and Healing Word. Great actually. There's a build they didn't mention which is order of the scribes wizard taking a 2 level dip into tempest domain cleric. They get all those spells, heavy armor and the channel divinity that maximizes thunder/lightning damage and since scribe can change the damage type of their spells...you can see where this is going.
@KingGimpo333
@KingGimpo333 10 ай бұрын
I'm currently rocking a Rogue/Wizard in one of my campaigns and I LOVE it. I remember you guys talking about how oftentimes rogues "play fair" by only relying on their high skill checks. This multiclass lets them rely on those skills, but also "cheat" when they need to, and the results are phenomenal
@4FunCycle
@4FunCycle 10 ай бұрын
40:11 Hexblade 1 / Abjuration X. Medium Armor, shield prof for great AC. Armor of Afathys is an abjuration spell. You are a front line wizard tank porcupine. Your taunt is the CC spell you are concentrating on. When you get hit, they take damage from Agathys. Your ward loses HP before temp.HP. When Agathys drops, cast it again and it activates your ward. This is S tier. All other combos are D.
@RJWhitmore
@RJWhitmore 10 ай бұрын
Was looking for this comment. Thats why Warlock got 5.5% despite Dudes D ranking. The invocation spam to pump up your Ward can help too, although it kinda requires having some spare time since you aren't exactly stealthy while doing it. I mean, if the DM and party are happy to say a minute or two goes by while the others search the room after combat it works fine.
@4FunCycle
@4FunCycle 10 ай бұрын
@@RJWhitmore I find that trick a bit to gamey and exploitive myself. I wouldn't use it, or allow it at my table. The combo is already extremely powerful. That and I really wouldn't want to delay my wizard spell progression. I'd rather get to those powerful concentration spells ASAP.
@RJWhitmore
@RJWhitmore 10 ай бұрын
@@4FunCycle That's fair, although you could always take the second Warlock level after Wizard 5.
@HippoEnjoyer
@HippoEnjoyer 10 ай бұрын
Youse guys should definetly go through and rank races next. Starting with the PHB, then onto Monsters of the Multiverse and the setting specific races.
@SavageGreywolf
@SavageGreywolf 10 ай бұрын
hmm yes no one could have a problem with a video where two white guys decide what races are superior and which are inferior
@samuelhawkins3820
@samuelhawkins3820 9 ай бұрын
Doesn’t ranking races sound a bit racist? I am not sure if KZfaq would demonetise it or not but out of context it doesn’t sound like a safe video for them to post.
@FrankiePeanuts
@FrankiePeanuts 10 ай бұрын
Tempest/Scribes. Destructive Wrath plus the ability to turn any damaging spell into lightning/thunder damage? Hell yes.
@daltigoth3970
@daltigoth3970 10 ай бұрын
It is not as good as it looks at first glance. (RAW) scribes can't change the damage of ANY spell into lightning/thunder. Only spells cast using a spell slot at a level you have a lightning/thunder damage spell for. Example: If you have thunderwave as your only thunder damage spell, you can change the damage type of any 1st-level spell you cast using a 1st-level spell slot into thunder damage, but if you cast Magic Missile using a 3rd-level slot, you can't change the damage to thunder because you don't have a 3rd-level spell that deals thunder damage. Thus, in order to make use of Tempest's channel divinity with a scribes wizard, you are going to have to pick lightning/thunder damage spells at every spell level as your priority spell selections, and then hope to find/buy scrolls to add the other spells you want to your spellbook. You are effectively sacrificing a lot of the wizard's utility and slowing your spell level progression for a once-a-day big blast. The biggest use-case for this would be in a mid-tier campaign where you have 5 levels of scribes wizard taking lightning bolt and fireball so you can throw 300' long streams of fire or 20' radius blasts of lightning, and 2 levels of tempest domain cleric to buff the lightning damage when needed. After that point, the value of this combo starts to drop dramatically, unless your DM is letting you long rest after every single battle. Tempest domain pairs better with a sorcerer for this reason (see transmuted spell metamagic)
@jugglejunk
@jugglejunk 10 ай бұрын
bladesinger/paladin is totally doable, if you play it as a tortle. Since this allows you to abandon your dex, because your AC has already been handled, you can take a strength based weapon (+1 average damage) and fulfill minimum charisma requirement. As for smiting and big spells you can do both with Steel wind strike!
@bigsmoke8816
@bigsmoke8816 10 ай бұрын
Hate the be that guy but divine smite doeant work with steel wind strike. Divine smite specifies: "when you hit a creature with a melee WEAPON attack". This doesnt work because steel wind strike isnt a melee weapon attack, but a "melee SPELL attack". The whole part about "flourishing the weapon used in the casting" is just flavour. However what would work is combining spells like booming blade or shadowblade with divine smite.
@bskec2177
@bskec2177 10 ай бұрын
I may be off on this, but how are you getting extra damage by using a strength based weapon? A rapier (finesse) does a d8, and the best a one handed strength weapon does is also a d8, and the way bladesong is worded, the moment you put two hands on a versatile weapon the bladesong ends.
@jugglejunk
@jugglejunk 10 ай бұрын
@@bskec2177Yeah I forgot you can't use versatile weapons 2 handed. However it still opens up a much greater pool of magic weapons that could be cool.
@zorn3255
@zorn3255 9 ай бұрын
While requiring +5 CON to get AC as good as a Tortle, don't forget that Loxodon (from Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica) also has a non-DEX based way of calculating their armor class (12+CON), and they have other good features (such as a trunk which they can use to grapple and Loxodon Serenity which gives you advantage vs charm and fear) which may make them a desirable STR-based bladesinger. Though I suppose for bladesinger/paladin specifically, Tortle does make the most sense because getting a high enough INT, CHA, STR, and CON is pretty difficult...
@Tigerblade11238
@Tigerblade11238 10 ай бұрын
I'm currently playing a wizard with one level in rogue. I have a +10 investigation, +8 perception and insight. He's a royal investigator who's tracking down enemies of the crown
@dcoffinh
@dcoffinh 10 ай бұрын
That’s so sick!
@LowLifeAM
@LowLifeAM 2 ай бұрын
I might try this for my wizard outlaw renegade
@RoninXDarknight
@RoninXDarknight 10 ай бұрын
I've said it before and I'll say it again...Stars Druid Dragon form...amazing for any caster that is planning on concentrating on spells and you don't have to go further than 2 levels in to get its full benefit. 13 wisdom buy in, slightly delayed wizard spell progression, 1 ASI and wizard's capstone feature are the tradeoff here if you go to 20.
@jimmymiller1313
@jimmymiller1313 10 ай бұрын
Thank yall for going through all of these!!! And the new set up looks slick!
@cfalkner1012
@cfalkner1012 10 ай бұрын
A one level dip in artificer for the armor and con saves, extra level 1 preps and cantrips like Cure Wounds and Guidance is definitely worth the delay in spell progression. It doesn’t effect your spell slot progression, so upcast options are great.
@pyrosalsa
@pyrosalsa 10 ай бұрын
The thing that you’ve gotta consider about wizards is how amaaaaazing the Fabricate spell can be with a creative player and a nice DM. The best way to make use of that spell is to have proficiency in as many tools as possible - and thus, the artificer multiclass
@Grooveworthy
@Grooveworthy 10 ай бұрын
orrrrrrrr 2 levels in forge cleric.
@pyrosalsa
@pyrosalsa 10 ай бұрын
@@Grooveworthy sure, if you wanna make something containing metal. Using the fabricate method, you can craft things out of almost any material. And with only one level of artificer, provided you can get your hands on just a baseline +1 all purpose tool
@Juniper_Rose
@Juniper_Rose 10 ай бұрын
Intelligence + Charisma caster is the epitome of the old phrase "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS."
@54382
@54382 10 ай бұрын
2 level dip into star Druid is pretty good, I think. If you are abjurer you get automatic counterspell/dispel magic after level 10, but even if you are not, you get medium non metal armor, guidance, absorb elements to save your prepared slot, wild shape, good berry for rest casting, and doesn’t delay your spell casting progression by much.
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 10 ай бұрын
Still digging the new background. I’d love to see y’all get the DD symbol actually made one day. That’d be the icing on the cake
@DERyuga
@DERyuga 10 ай бұрын
Wizlock was one of my favorite classes. Having the ability to have regenerating spell slots on a short rest (especially for something like shield) while a bladesinger is incredibly. Because the wizard spell list and the warlock spell list are so similar it makes you last a very long combat day on top of also having access to the bladesinger extra attack WITH Eldritch blast? Your AC is through the roof, you can prioritize Charisma because all of your attacks are based off of it, and you get a ton of attacks. Any boss dies incredibly quickly to this strategy, especially if you're using Spirit guardians. I had a level 12 character with this setup and it had 10 damage rolls that each added hexblade's curse ( 3 eldritch blast plus extra attack plus eldritch smite plus spirit guardians on each hit) and I was able to melt through any boss that was needed. Once I burned through most of my warlock capabilities, I was still a pretty high level wizard that could concentrate on spells and add support. Next time we short rested, I was practically back to full. A build that should definitely not be slept on
@sasaetsurikomiashi4454
@sasaetsurikomiashi4454 10 ай бұрын
Artificer is absolutely S tier dip for one big reason you missed. The medium armour and shield proficiency. This can buff your AC from 15 (assuming you have 14 dex and mage armour) to 19, or 24 if you cast shield, making you more tanky then most of the martial characters. If you can start as an artificer, the con saving proficiency is going to save you a feat. If you can't, dipping after 5th or 6th level (depending on if the subclass feature is good) will make you stronger than a straitgh up wizard. Going further than that is a bit iffy - second level infiusions are great with enchanced arcane focuses/defenses or replicating a bag of holding may prove useful, but you are strongly slowing your spell progression. Subclasses however are not worth, Battle smith relies to much on his Steel defender, who won't have enough hp, Armorers options either want you tanking hits in melee or don't give that much, artilerist is okeish if you don't have anything to do with your bonus actions and Alchemist... Is the Alchemist. Another thing that you didn't mention is the fact that you get acces to cure wounds - which is a pretty terrible healing spell, but for a wizard having *an* option to pick someone up is nothing to scoff at. Also, love the lighter background, it works great!
@zue4634
@zue4634 10 ай бұрын
Love this new camera and background. Looks phenomenal!
@YotamGalli
@YotamGalli 10 ай бұрын
2 levels of druid can be amazing on a wizard. If Moon you can bonus action wildshape into a hawk and dash away after casting your concentration spell. If wildfire you get unlimited teleports as a bonus action from firey teleportation
@BW022
@BW022 10 ай бұрын
Sorry... you can't. Moon druids can assume higher CR forms but are still restricted to no-swim speed forms until 4th, and no flying speed until 8th. Nor can a hawk fly away without provoking an opportunity attack which would pretty much leave you in the same place just having taking some damage. You could try owl with fly-by, but you have to use your actions so... you might as well just disengage. Moon druid might be fine to start with in a difficult starting campaign or in a small party for low-level survivability. However, it's going to hurt at 4th+ (druid/2, wizard/2) when a bear isn't going to last long in combat and you are still only have first or second levels spells. At 6th+ (druid/2, wizard/4) your bear form is kind of useless in combat and wildshape is probably better used for scouting, movement, etc. At which point, you'd be better off with some other druid (even land) which might have some lower-level spells you can up cast with better slots. You'll probably really regret the druid levels by 7th as you could just have taken polymorph or used a familiar for scouting.
@YotamGalli
@YotamGalli 10 ай бұрын
@@BW022 right i forgot about the movement restrictions. You can still turn into a badger and use burrow speed to protect concentration. Wildfire is still bonkers though with unlimited party teleports. 2 levels is indeed a high costs though
@BW022
@BW022 10 ай бұрын
@@YotamGalli Burrow speed is 5' -- assuming you are on soft ground (i.e. outdoors). For this, you cast say haste on someone and then burrow down 5'. At which point you are out of the combat assuming someone doesn't toss something down the hole which kills you. Or, you could take 0 levels of druid and (if outdoors) cast your concentration spell and run behind some rocks, a tree, dive underwater, etc. Moon druid is fine giving yourself a few starting hit points, healing, a few different spells and cantrips, etc. and a bear form to keep you alive until 4th-level (as it's a fair amount of HP to get through, especially if you get a defensive spell up like mirror imagine and start using spell slots to heal). However, beyond that, it's more for utility and exploration -- rat to scout, spider to climb walls, maybe to listen in on conversation, get through bars, etc. You could already do many of these with a familiar.
@cb6388
@cb6388 10 ай бұрын
There's a reason Cleric 1 / Wizard 19 is almost infamous for its potency, especially when you go with a Peace Cleric.
@maybevoldemort8995
@maybevoldemort8995 10 ай бұрын
I do think artificer is S tier if you start with it and do 1 level. No delay to spell progression, armour and shields, and con saving throws. Yeah, you get the spells one level later but that is so much stuff for a one level dip.
@EdrickBluebeard
@EdrickBluebeard 10 ай бұрын
I've stopped restricting my builds based on whether or not I would loose high level spells. The Las time I had a character reach those levels, it was a Deepwood Sniper in a 3.0 game more than 20 years ago.
@eriktyrrell424
@eriktyrrell424 9 ай бұрын
Deepwood sniper took advantage of the 3.0 crit range stacking didn't it? That must have been a blast to play.
@EdrickBluebeard
@EdrickBluebeard 9 ай бұрын
@eriktyrrell424 oh, it was amazing. 19-20/x5 crit.
@karatekoala4270
@karatekoala4270 10 ай бұрын
Star Druid works nice. 17:20 use the dragon to guarantee concentration. Plus a free guiding bolt that wizard wouldn't have otherwise. Wildfire, has plenty similar to star, only thing is the later abilities are tasty enough to just be full druid.
@gatonegroloco
@gatonegroloco 10 ай бұрын
I THINK when you’re polymorphed you get the animals intelligence where’s the Druid keeps all the mental stats.
@yunglocke3952
@yunglocke3952 10 ай бұрын
I love Wizard/Warlock multiclasses personally, I go three levels in genie warlock for and the rest goes into abjuration wizard, the thing that really makes it blend is taking the mega magic adept feat allowing me to fast high level spells and then quickened spell eldritch blasting. Id definitely give it a try for anyone curious
@H3xx99
@H3xx99 10 ай бұрын
Okay, guys, I have to speak up for the rage mage, what you're overlooking: you only need ONE level in barbarian. Your first level. You get proficiency in STR and CON saves, a wizard likes proficiency in con saves, you get unarmored defense using your CON, which STACKS with the AC boost from Bladesinger because Bladesing specifically says itsa Bonus to your AC, not that your AC becomes Dex+INT, So while blade singing you get your 3 favorite ability scores to your AC and that's VERY nice for a squishy wizard, and for your first level, you get 12 hitpoints plus your CON mod. That's almost 3 times the health a beginning wizard has, and the only thing you're giving up is your wizard cap stone. Also, you have 2 rages to keep in reserve if you find yourself being ambushed in an antimagic field. Sure that's super situational but hell, antimagic field hurt wizards more than any other character besides Sorcerers. Being able to say, "I can't cast magic? Okay I pop a rage and become resistant to bludgeoning, slashing, and piercing, and I have advantage on the check to try and break the lock on the door keeping me in this antimagic field" or something to that effect. It's an ace in the hole for the nightmare scenario. You get your 9th level casting before level 20, and lets face it, when's the last time you played to 20? Starting for one level in Barbarian is a good start. Maybe not the greatest dip, but if you're willing to dip 2 levels into fighter just for action surge, then one level into Barbarian is worth the health, save, and defense boost, imo.
@ProfessorAragorn
@ProfessorAragorn 10 ай бұрын
Psi-Warrior + Bladesinger = Jedi. If you allow the one dnd changes to Magic Initiate and you can take the Shillelagh spell and use it for intelligence - boom 1d8 force weapon that can use your intelligence for attack and damage.
@annieiacobellis9420
@annieiacobellis9420 10 ай бұрын
I’m a moon druid necromancer who wild shapes as a moorbounder and I would give it an A. Those extra HP from wildshape kept me alive at low levels and my moorbounder jump gets me the heck out of melee in a hurry. I can’t wait to tear enemies apart with my giant claws while flanked by my skeleton army.
@greedowins2917
@greedowins2917 10 ай бұрын
The video I needed, when I need it! Keep rocking Dudes!
@MrAveryLuke
@MrAveryLuke 10 ай бұрын
The glow up is real!!! Loved the episode and this whole series. You brothas rock!
@MrGunsnrosesfan100
@MrGunsnrosesfan100 10 ай бұрын
Stars druid can literally auto-succeed on any concentration save up to 21 damage (+2 times whatever your constitution modifier is) that should be worth at least getting out of D tier
@gansosuelto675
@gansosuelto675 10 ай бұрын
I currently running a wizard bard right now and it's going extremely well for me atm I'm necromancer wizard 6 and bard 2 with the intent of going glamor bard. A necromancer being able to buff and inspire his minions and have heals for his alive alies has been extremely good so far. But that could just be the game I'm playing and the dm being accommodating
@dcoffinh
@dcoffinh 10 ай бұрын
Necromancer bard is awesome and if you make character playlists damn their playlist would be lit
@eleishar18
@eleishar18 10 ай бұрын
Colby already made a Hexbladesinger (as I said under Warlock episode), and that's really sick. In a good way of course ;)
@gigithemage88
@gigithemage88 9 ай бұрын
I just discovered this channel and omg, I’ve been missing out on quality content.
@alexandergaier4468
@alexandergaier4468 10 ай бұрын
I mean a 2 dip in stars druid seems really decent, you automatically have guidance, the different forms can be quite useful, a bonus action atk or not rolling lower than a 10 with int or wis checks is nice too
@BoPeep_42
@BoPeep_42 10 ай бұрын
This series has been a treat - I've been looking forward to these videos every week! My big surprise here is that the Paladin didn't get at least a C... I know it's just one subclass, but I would think that Bladesinger 18/Paladin 2 is a slam dunk of a build!
@4FunCycle
@4FunCycle 10 ай бұрын
It's as MAD as can be. You need 13 Strength, Int, and Cha. You are using Strength as your attack and wearing armor so you get nothing from bladesong until 6 wizard when you get extra attack. The best you can do with point buy is 16 Str, 13 Con, 16 Int, 13 Cha. If you want to use dexterity to attack so you can bladesing, it's even worse.
@BoPeep_42
@BoPeep_42 10 ай бұрын
@@4FunCycle ah I didn’t even consider the MC rules. Been playing too much BG3 lol
@max_2da_max336
@max_2da_max336 10 ай бұрын
Ah Wizard, the "Engineering Major" of classes ('Oh, you're a [Wizard/ Engineer], what kind? Also, good luck attempting anything else with this') Nah but with Warlock, I'm thinking upcast Armor of Agathys, Hellish Rebuke, and of course Eldritch Blast, then of course there's the Invocations for Mage Armor, Silent Image, and Disguise Self (last two especially with Illusionist 14, and Mage Armor Doubles with Abjurer), so there's definite potential that can't be met with Feats alone, but simultaneously, not much (needed) beyond 1-2 levels of Warlock.
@Christophercyr
@Christophercyr 9 ай бұрын
These are so good. Great work!
@lucaslagiewka1503
@lucaslagiewka1503 10 ай бұрын
As someone who also loves bladesinger, my guess is that you go to it first because it's the less wizardly of the wizards, since wizards dont mix well mechanically with most other classes
@silverr1111
@silverr1111 10 ай бұрын
I really want to see Monty play a wizard. A man can dream.
@mikylnutter9963
@mikylnutter9963 10 ай бұрын
Long time watcher of your channel. LOVE the new background. Keep it up Dudes.
@bristowski
@bristowski 10 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh, new set and lighting looks GREAT!! Set tour video soon?
@bskec2177
@bskec2177 10 ай бұрын
If Artificer got their subclass features at level 2 instead of 3, they would probably be "S" tier.
@TheePIB
@TheePIB 10 ай бұрын
For some reason, I have this thought that a Stars Druid/Wizard might work, especially if you only take the 2 level dip into Druid to get the wildshape and subclass. Gonna think about that some more … 🤔
@TheePIB
@TheePIB 10 ай бұрын
One of the advantages of the 2-level dip here is that you can either weaponize your bonus action (with "Archer" form) or beef up your concentration spells significantly (with "Dragon" form). Grabbing the Resilient (Constitution) or War Caster feats (or both, when you get high enough levels) with Dragon form turned on, I think, will really make it difficult for opponents to break your concentration. Free Guidance is useful, although not by itself enough to take the dip, and slot-free casts of Guiding Bolt is also useful. This is not an "S" tier dip, but I think that in the right campaign, and with someone who is better at this than I am, it could be "A" tier. Obviously, would also depend on the Wizard subclass. I played around a bit with a Scribes and with a War Mage, just for funsies, and I don't think it pairs as well with Scribe as with War Mage … but maybe someone better and smarter than me can show me why I'm wrong about that 😃
@dcoffinh
@dcoffinh 10 ай бұрын
I bet you’re seeing that with War Magic, Circle of Stars archer and dragon form aren’t tied to a spell cast, so War Magic’s reaction ability forcing cantrips doesn’t limit it-that’s a neat find! I think you’re right, it could be mechanically interesting, and circle of stars just brings so much story potential to everything it touches.
@Eef_dog
@Eef_dog 10 ай бұрын
Whoaaa, digging the new background 👌🏾
@Ztaticify
@Ztaticify 10 ай бұрын
One of my favorite builds I've ever done was a lvl 6 arcane trickster rogue, lvl 2 wizard, lvl 1 artificer (campaign only went to lvl 9) with INT maxed out. I had expertise in investigation and like 11 spells 'prepared' across the classes, which was an amazing tool box. My spider familiar could 'bite' (cure wounds) allies, I had sneak attack/uncanny dodge,/cunning action, fairy fire in the form of a glitter bomb (from artificer). I also took the fey touched feat so I got a free misty step and hunter's mark per day
@TheMoisku
@TheMoisku 10 ай бұрын
I agree that wizard x monk multiclass is D as whole. I just started wondering would there still be something in bladesinger monk? You get so much mobility. Unarmored movement, bladesong, longstrider cast pre-combat, and step of the wind bonus action, that's 120 ft. movement, but what to do with that? Some strange Ashardalon's Strider build?
@WTH13SERIOUSLY
@WTH13SERIOUSLY 10 ай бұрын
I don't know if I am stoked to see this episode or super sad that this is the last one in this series
@jugglejunk
@jugglejunk 10 ай бұрын
Maybe they could do a series on how to make the particularly bad multiclasses more palatable.
@josephstrassfield7921
@josephstrassfield7921 10 ай бұрын
This was a great series and gave us all so many character ideas
@nerdynord4315
@nerdynord4315 10 ай бұрын
I really like the Rogue Wizard combo. I've come up with a very rough build of a Swashbuckler Bladesinger. Just three levels of Rogue so you can get Rackish Audacity and Fancy Footwork, and then six levels of Wizard, getting Shadowblade and Find Familiar, and you can set up doe three attacks per turn. First attack, get your sneak attack damage in, second attack hit with Booming Blade. 3rd attack, you'll need to wait for at least the second round, and make a bonus attack with a Shadowblade in your off hand. If you use a scimitar in your main hand, you don't need the Duel Weilding feat either. Then, with Fancy Footwork, you can use your movement to get out of dodge without provoking an attack of opportunity.
@peterk7713
@peterk7713 10 ай бұрын
Strider and Gandalf worked well together because Gandalf is actually a paladin. Used a sword. Smited his enemies. Cast Find Steed. Prove me wrong. Gandalf was a paladin.
@Ukalaaka
@Ukalaaka 3 ай бұрын
And he gets his powers from a god too
@user-ht1wn9lv8n
@user-ht1wn9lv8n 10 ай бұрын
If you are good with using CR content, you can get Eldritch blast using INT. Profane soul Bloodhunter would get you there, but you’d need 3 levels of Bloodhunter to get the subclass. I’d love an additional video covering bloodhunter multiclass options.
@Novachild37
@Novachild37 10 ай бұрын
Scribe/Tempest is a fun burst dps, switching up you're fireball in lightning/thunder damage and maxing out the damage just for example. Currently doing so running an Astral elf in one campaign as a servant to a version of Xolotl, the God of fire, lightning, and death. Acting as a guide for his party in their journey specializing in such magic, giving what knowledge he has having lived so long as well as being there to give passage and rites to those who pass during their travels, monster and party member alike.
@JasonCorfman
@JasonCorfman 10 ай бұрын
One argument I'd like to make for a single level of barbarian is you do get unarmored defense with constitution being added to AC. Constitution is often the second highest stat for wizards anyway, and that would utilize that stat even more than normal. If CON is +3, then it is as good as mage armor without costing a spell slot. In addition, they would get shield proficiency, which would help boost AC even more. Granted, wizards often don't want to be in a situation where their AC is an issue (bladesinger aside), but things happen and AC can be an issue with enemies sneaking up from behind, ranged attacks, running past the party, etc. Not saying it overall is a great option, but one level won't slow magic progression by much.
@RJWhitmore
@RJWhitmore 10 ай бұрын
The Peace/Twilight one level dip is S, hands down. So many good features packed into that one level and half the time you don't even notice the dip, and the other half you are still more than happy with the trade (1 Cleric, 4 Wizard does make you cry, though).
@icenic_wolf
@icenic_wolf 10 ай бұрын
I played a firbolg rogue (arcane trickster) 3 / wizard (illusionist) X and it was TONS of fun. Expertise, bunches of skills, and shenanigans with the magehand legerdemain made for a never-boring time.
@brianbarrett6316
@brianbarrett6316 10 ай бұрын
I'm currently playing a bladesinging arcane trickster and i'm personally loving it
@jdl3408
@jdl3408 10 ай бұрын
The new set looks great! Good job on the lighting also. I will miss the basement sometimes.
@genghisgalahad8465
@genghisgalahad8465 10 ай бұрын
Gentle greetings there 🎉! More than a few previous weekends jostling my fresh coffee in hand as I press play and startle to a sudden yet awesome greeting! 🎉 😮
@WolfCry791
@WolfCry791 10 ай бұрын
I'd love to see more of your videos featuring the class and subclasses y'all have made! There's so much potential in y'all's designs! Where's our Apothecary multiclass video?
@braydschannel2077
@braydschannel2077 10 ай бұрын
One of my favorite characters I played was an Abjuration Wizard with a Tempest Cleric dip and his calling was to prepare the land for trouble and shelter the innocents from the storm.
@Demogarose
@Demogarose 10 ай бұрын
they fixated really hard on Metamagic for the Sorcerer and missed out on some other benefits, especially when starting as a Sorc at level 1: Constitution Saving throw Proficiency (something they lauded on other classes), as well as immediate access to a Subclass. There are a bunch of really nice level 1 subclass features for Sorcs
@jackmacgillicutty8045
@jackmacgillicutty8045 10 ай бұрын
Yes you can in BG3. Evoker Wizard 10 gives you int to all evocation spells. Spell sniper gives you access to EB, with a (when fixed) increased crit range.
@KingStratzah
@KingStratzah 10 ай бұрын
Really digging the change in background. Old one is classic and always nice but a change in "scenery" is great too.
@logan91235
@logan91235 10 ай бұрын
I'm currently playing a con artist divination wizard with 3 levels of bard for Eloquence. He focuses on debuffs, so Cutting words and portent makes him amazing at nerfing saving throws and still has him feeling like a fast talker
@jessecunningham9924
@jessecunningham9924 10 ай бұрын
I’m so sad this series is coming to an end. It was easily your best and definitely the most inspiring! Thanks for all your years of hard work for these.
@DownUnderDM
@DownUnderDM 10 ай бұрын
Kelly: this is terrible, is there any kind of viable build here? Monty: well if you go Bladesinger…….
@PatRiot-le7rd
@PatRiot-le7rd 10 ай бұрын
Right. It's the bladesinger multiclass tier list video. No reason to multiclass any other wizard subclass.
@decoy2424
@decoy2424 10 ай бұрын
Such a clean and pleasant backdrop for y’all.
@garethteggin2363
@garethteggin2363 10 ай бұрын
Time you guys do something reviewing all the classes I'm always waiting for wizard last. And I'm never disappointed great job good vid
@AmusinglySaunters
@AmusinglySaunters 10 ай бұрын
One of the best counter-spell builds is star Druid and abjuration Wizard. Dragon Star form makes all Int and Wis checks a ten (like eloquence bard). abjuration Wizard 10th level adds proficiency to counter-spell checks. Level 12 you will have a minimum 16-19 counter spell (10+4+5?) depending on intelligence modifier.
@epsilonfallen5830
@epsilonfallen5830 10 ай бұрын
One thing about multiclassing wizard with other spellcasters: You can learn spells from scrolls. If you for example are level 5 with a 1 level dip in cleric for armor and shield proficency (wizard 4/ cleric 1), you would have a 3rd level spell slot, but you wouldn't know any 3rd level spells. But because you are a wizard, you could copy "Fireball" into your spellbook, if you find a scroll. This is also why a 1 level dip in wizard might be good for other spellcasters, because you can learn new spells without taking more levels, so you could have "Misty Step" and "Haste" on a druid. This all depends however on how easy to find scrolls are in your campain. I just think, that the wizard's unique way of learning spells is often overlooked, because you usually get all the spells you need through level ups.
@atlasminty-jq7fy
@atlasminty-jq7fy 10 ай бұрын
Oooohhh, you should ask Colby to do builds based on Sebastian Crowe’s Guide to Drakkenheim to promote the PDF launch!
@Elonquin
@Elonquin 10 ай бұрын
Treantmonks' Knowledge domain cleric Divination wizard is far out the most fulfilling multiclass I played since playing 5e. I never did any damage and yet I did help the damage skyrocket and prevent damage to allies. Glad it got mentioned.
@Finckelstein
@Finckelstein 10 ай бұрын
If you want to control everything you could create a Halfling Peace Cleric/Divination Wizard with Lucky and Bountiful Luck. The main downside is that your DM will absolutely hate you.
@anthonydaquet7934
@anthonydaquet7934 10 ай бұрын
I had the same idea for a caster monk subclass. Called it the Way of the Arcane Fist. Bonus action unarmed strikes after casting a spell too lol. Great minds definitely think alike
@shadowrunner9876
@shadowrunner9876 9 ай бұрын
Glad to see Harry Dresden getting some mentions. Before I became obsessed with the Dresden Files, I was telling a close friend of mine about this character concept I came up with for an Occult Detective. Inquisitive Rogue 4, (Archfey) Profane Soul Blood Hunter 9, Bladesinger 2, and potentially Cleric 1 if the character found a reason to start worshiping a deity down the line. She told me about the Dresden Files even though she doesn’t read the series, and as I kept reading I was amazed at how strikingly similar my character was to Harry.
@collinkelch7764
@collinkelch7764 10 ай бұрын
I think we need a faux stone wall behind those shelves. Granted, we have moved on from the wood paneling but I for one would still love to see some ‘Dungeons’! Congratulations on the new space!
@sdjmar
@sdjmar 10 ай бұрын
I am shocked at how the dudes discount the 1 level artificer dip as a wizard, it is INSANELY powerful, given that an artificer learns their entire spell list at level 1, which gives you a ton of versatility that a wizard would have to spend boatloads of money to match, Guidance, Cure Wounds for pocket heals, armour proficiency, consititution saving throw proficiency, shield proficiency. Also, Artificers are half casters, but they are the one half caster that rounds up on their spell progression, so as long as you only take a single artiificer level your spell slot progression isn't impacted. Sure it delays you getting new wizard spells by 1 level, but given the power boost that you get from a single level dip in artificer it is really hard NOT to take for an optimal wizard build, and really should be the S tier option here.
@CivilWarMan
@CivilWarMan 10 ай бұрын
I'd rank Paladin/Wizard pretty solidly as a D. The video's rating of C seems to be primarily centered around the level 20 Oathbreaker/Necromancer idea, which has some massive caveats. First, it's a level 20 build, which will not happen in 99% of games. Second, the Oathbreaker aura requires 7 levels of Paladin, not 6, which is enough to drop the maximum spell slot level, even for the 20th level build. And also means no Command Undead for the Necromancer Wizard. Third, there are ways for Oathbreakers to pick up Animate Dead in ways that both satisfy the Lich King archetype and are more mechanically coherent than having to further spread out your ability scores in order to invest in Intelligence and multiclass into Wizard. 1) You could take 2 more levels in Oathbreaker and get it as an Oath Spell (and Paladin 9/Caster 11 has the same spell slot breakdown as Paladin 7/Caster 13, so you aren't even losing out on casting at high levels). This would also allow you to freely take, say, Shadow Magic Sorcerer for the full caster levels, Charisma casting, and Metamagic. 2) You could take 5 levels of Warlock and pick up the Undying Servitude invocation. It's only once per long rest, but Warlocks also get Summon Undead as a regular spell for a more buff minion, plus Hexblade/Oathbreaker or Undead/Oathbreaker fits the idea of Arthas even better than Necromancer/Oathbreaker, since Ner'zhul was both his Patron in Warcraft 3 and a Warlock himself. 3) You could even take Bard levels and pick it up with Magical Secrets, even as early as level 6 with Lore Bard or Spirits Bard (since Animate Dead is Necromancy, Spirits Bards can pick it up with their level 6 ability as long as there are two other people available for the ritual). So, as interesting as Oathbreaker/Necromancer seems, there are better ways to do basically the same thing. Necromancer undead are a little stronger and more durable, but you'd still be trading away a lot just to create zombies that might take 2 hits to put down instead of 1.
@chrisg8989
@chrisg8989 10 ай бұрын
Wait a minute. Battle Master Artificer? I like it! 😂
@michaelt1103
@michaelt1103 10 ай бұрын
My primary character I've been playing for three years is an evocation wizard with 3 levels of tempest domain. I took the third level primarily for story reasons, plus I have a custom magic item that ups my character's wisdom up to 18. A "steerable" lightning bolt with automatic max dmg is very amazing.
@ryanparish9020
@ryanparish9020 10 ай бұрын
One Cleric domain that didn't get mentioned that I think deserves some love specifically for pairing with wizard doing a 1 level dip: Order. If you aren't playing a Bladesinger, you get to enjoy getting heavy armor proficiency. But if you're playing a support/utility caster or are looking to play the "mastermind/tactician" type of character, the real reason to take it is the feature Voice of Authority: Starting at 1st level, you can invoke the power of law to embolden an ally to attack. If you cast a spell with a spell slot of 1st level or higher and target an ally with the spell, that ally can use their reaction immediately after the spell to make one weapon attack against a creature of your choice that you can see. If the spell targets more than one ally, you choose the ally who can make the attack. This creates all kinds of opportunities. This triggers on spells like Bless, Enlarge/Reduce, Healing Word, Cure Wounds, Haste, Polymorph. My personal fave is pairing this with Vortex Warp and the party rogue for sneak attack or paladins for smites on a reaction for them. But this can also work with range weapon characters too because it's based on creatures you see, so it just has to be in range for them. If any of your allies has abilities that pump extra dice into the weapon attack, that's what you're looking for. And it's a win-win: you get to enjoy feeling like you're mastering the battlefield, and your friend gets to enjoy hopefully hitting hard and being the action hero in some epic moments.
@Alassandros
@Alassandros 10 ай бұрын
Hexblade's Curse + Evocation Wizard 10th level feature + Fury of the Small + Magic Missile= Ultimate Boss Killer
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