My understanding is that the Frameworks line is launching ~end of March. I think the player characters are going to be more popular than the Kobolds :-) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brBkrdF3xLmWdGQ.html

I feel like at this point it would be cheaper for a hobbyist to become an established YT mini personality and get promo from the company than it would be to purchase them

I thought that the price was a little expensive until you showed the competition, and then I found out how ridiculously expensive they really are. Great video altogether!

So I imagine you don't have much time to see/read comments on 2 month old videos, but I thought you might like to hear some anecdotal evidence on the popularity of these sets 2 months in. I manage a FLGS in Southern Ontario, with the launch of this line we ordered 2 of every pack and dedicated a whole spec to them on the wall. Since then we have reordered almost all of the player characters, some (mostly the Elf Ranger) we have reordered multiple times. We still have the 2 original boxes of Kobolds and Orcs.

I appreciate the work you did comparing the pricing to other companies. Not only does it show how absurd the pricing is, but it also helps point people in the direction of far more affordable boxes. Your paint jobs were great as always though!

Before I knew that miniatures came in different scales, I purchased a large bag of pig faced orcs only to realize that they were 15 mm in scale. Based them, primed them with red primer and, long story short, I have a wave of Kobolds that I can use for a fraction of the cost. Metal figures, too!

They missed their advertising opportunity: “30+ Kobold Jars of Mystery - ASTOUNDING VALUE - 7 FREE KOBOLDS!!!”

With so much empty space, especially on the kobold sprues, they should have just put two full models on each.

They price Kobolds and Orcs the same at $50 You say: "People expect bigger models to cost more" (clearly revering to the Kobolds being waaaay overpriced) The message they get: "So the Orcs will be $70 now"

The Goobertown Brand has always been an even-handed, well-spoken brand. This level of integrity is, therefor, not a huge surprise. It is still welcome. Great review.

I love kobolds, but not 50$ for 7. I really like reaper kobolds, but for a much better deal there is Shrine of the Kobold Queen which has 20 kobolds for 40-50$, including snake cavalry and basilisks.

I love hard plastic to work with too - but damn, when Games Workshop are coming out ahead on value you know you're in trouble! Once again, us forever DMs get screwed over :(

The price of that Kobold kit is JARring (please tell me I am the first to make that pun)

As a fan of Atlantic Wargames this pricing is laughable.

I know 3D printing isn't for everyone. But man, if this isn't another huge reason to invest in an entry level resin printer, then I don't know what is

I laughed out loud at the "There's lots of extra bits on these sprues... and they're all jars" line

They look super cool, but I agree about price. Yeah injection molds cost a ton to get started, but each injection mold costs barely anything. If they want a 50$ price point, just give me more models in that box. I'll buy em!

Insane that the vastly superior quality, much more varied options and famously expensive GW Orruks are cheaper than this. How they decided these prices is beyond me

I’ve found that many of the older D&D models disappointed me with either their quality or their lack of customization, when frameworks was announced I was excited for what that meant for my players and monsters but now I’m just excited for my players. It looks like there isnt a ton of spare material in the monster kits on top of everything. I hope this line is successful and we see some cool new models at a better price in the future!

Thanks Brent, all i could think of was, "Available in a bargin bin in your local store 6- 12 months after release for the price it should have been nearer to. "

This makes me really sad as a forever DM. I was really hopeful when these were first announced that we'd finally have an inexpensive source for reliable, customizable polystyrene mooks that every DM needs en masse. Thank you for putting this price into context with competitors!

Great video Brent!!!! I think your analysis of the prices here is a good one, however I don't think the large price will matter to most hardcore D&D players who will be buying these, a lot of whom aren't aware of things like Games Workshop, 3D printing, or any other alternatives aside from Nolzur's and maybe Reaper. The players will buy the player character models which are priced really well, and the DMs will probably not care that the monsters are overpriced, because they will just have to buy each set ONCE in their life (if they dont already have a set of orcs and kobolds that they like). There is also something to be said for high quality, OFFICIAL D&D miniatures, based on art from the monster manual, which is something that hasn't existed since 2001's chainmail line, I think certain lifestyle DMs will buy the whole set for this reason (I would have at the peak of my D&D playing)

That group shot at the end with the painted minis and dice for scale was great, then I remembered that's apparently one hundred dollar's worth of miniatures! That's wild!

These prices are like an elaborate joke! They didn't think GW was a good pricing model to go off of, did they?

I’m almost wondering if they figured that most DM’s would never need a huge number of Orcs or Kobolds(figuring on smaller encounters in game) and priced according to that? “7 Orcs is plenty for a regular DnD game!” Basic conclusion here looks to be that you should buy your kobolds anywhere other than Wizkids.

I like how the prices went from 2000 GW to 2020 GW. Hard plastic? How well do the kits work with Testors Plastic Glue?

Another great video, Brent. Thanks for the thorough and fair review. Despite the ridiculous price per mini it was nice to see them painted! For that price, I think I would look for oldschool metal minis that would last 100 years. Another thing - I really hope you upload videos more frequently in the future. Mini paint roulette, talk about restoring tables, fishing with space marines, you name it. Its always a relaxing moment to watch your videos.

For the price of 1 box of each, I could get the orc Loot month, the kobold Loot month and 1.5 kg of resin (which would print an awful lot of the minis.) I believe Wizards rolled a Nat 1 on this.

Great that you showed the price comparison to the other Orc models on the market! This kinda feels like a swing and a miss to me. I've got a bunch of Nolzur's Kobolds painted and that's gonna be enough for any encounter I'm ever gonna run, just not in the market for these little guys.

Cool! Interesting that it says "Made in China" on the sprue, as opposed to GW who still make theirs in GB (besides terrain etc). There seems to be a lot of empty space on some of them, like GW used to have before they went all-digital for the sculpting.

This is how a review should be done. Honest and without fear or favour. Super enjoyable video!

Thanks for this video! Wizkids has definitely been increasing their prices tremendously on all fronts. They released a colossal, prepainted White Dragon a year ago for $100(where they also tried to not paint it, which we've also seen a lot of other examples of, but that's a different story), and now they're releasing an equally large Red Dragon for $400. Their newest set of prepainted minis in blind boosters are fewer than before at a higher price. And remember, when they first took over from the old DDM line, they halved the amount of minis in a booster, from 8 in the old line, to 4 in Wizkids "Icons of the Realms" line.) When I first got the news of the Frameworks series, I was happy, because from a logical point of view that ought to have meant more official minis at a lower price than Nolzur(which are preassembled and preprimed), and at the same time probably the highest quality sculpts Wizkids would make. I was looking at competitors, thinking it surely wouldn't *exceed* GW's similar products. How wrong i was. At least it seems I was right about the quality. But what good is that when it's not going to sell? I'd love that set of kobolds, but I'm not spending $50 on 7 tiny minis like that. I'm pretty much done with Wizkids at this point. At the very least, I'll only be buying second hand or at clearance sales.

I was really excited to see these coming out…..until I saw the pricing! Thanks for the preview and price commentary! With luck they will make some changes as per your comments (10 sprees per box and more competitive pricing)

It also seems that the sprues are very empty, they could have packed way more in those sprues for the price!

A politely, ever-so-slightly, disappointed review hurts more than any kind of pitchfork wielding mob

“I’m one of the few people on Earth who will EVER use this model kit...” Priceless. I admire your boundless positivity as well as your painting skill. Bravo, sir. Be well, and keep up the fine work.

Shame about the flagrant price-gouging for average-quality miniatures. On the other hand, I'm a fan of great paint-jobs and including gorgeous cats in videos.

GW looking at this prices and raised his Fist: finally a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!

" . . . priced by an absolute madman . . . " Your understated style was perfect for that line!

Always so genuine and chill. I would love to have a dude like you at the gaming table any day Brent. Great stuff.

Great paint job Brent and a wonderful breakdown of the baffling.

2:06 there's enough room on that sprue alone for 7 kobolds

If I need a Kobold horde for a RPG I'd go for the Reaper bones options anytime. Not only is the price massively more appealing, I don't want to be mucking around with tiny little parts and assembly for some mooks that I need in large numbers for the party to chop through

1:49 “I am one of the few people on earth who will ever use this model kit.” Gold!

I had the opportunity to stock these in my store and I couldn't justify putting them on the shelf at their price tag versus Nolzurs minis or 3D printing

This seems like there probably was poor communication in terms of sprue layout, liken they'd already committed to having 5 separate sprues with 1 kobold per sprue when they could have easily fit 2 per sprue and given consumers a much better deal. The machining costs are a huge part of plastic production, so the more unique sprues the more expensive the kit. With 2 per sprue and 2 sets of each, you suddenly have a box of 8 at less than half the machining costs...

I love the way you approach everything with a sense of wonder and an open mind. Your channel is a very welcome source of positivity in this hobby!

I love the $50 dollar bill backdrop on the Kobolds at the end hahah.

Awesome review. Love to hear your honest opinions on these products, so we know what we're getting into. ALSO, I have to say that Twenty-Sided Realms has quickly become one of my favorite DnD podcasts and I can't say enough good things about it. I'll be ordering a T-shirt at the end of this week. Anyone who is a fan of this channel needs to check the podcast out.

Expensive sprue models just in time for resin 3d printing to make buying minis obsolete

I'm really digging that big orc lad with the fancy armour and the great axe. He seems like a nice chap

On a sidenote, I need to thank you, Brent. I bought Gloomhaven - Jaws of the lion six months ago and had it not been for you the miniatures included would still be unpainted. As it is I have stumbled back into a hobby I have not indulged for decades. No big armies for me, though. But it is fun to make a game that little bit more colourful. Anyway, the point is this: without this channel I would not have even considered painting them. Thank you!

I for one am glad that Kobold kit is around, where else am I gonna get tiny jars?

These look really cool, I would actually buy these for a more reasonable price, they look really high quality and exactly what I’ve been looking for for a while, hope the prices go down!

The drybrush of the highlights on the dagger at 11:57 are sublime. Well done.

Is this the first episode of Kobold Talks!? Love you content

It’s so interesting to see such a sparse sprue/frame after being used to say… contemporary Necromunda models. On pricing, I'd hazard that the cost of producing the molds are relatively equivalent, even if the resulting models are different scales. I really like those stackable corner bits, that's a really clever idea I'd hope that GW would steal.

Finally, we get to see the models that were hyped up on Kobold Talk last week!

I love you! This is one of the best reviews you've done and you are one of the best reviewers around. I hope you're having a good winter.

When these Frameworks models were announced months ago, I was initially excited, but I took one look at the outrageous MSRP and laughed. Maybe a year from now when they get blown out at 80% off clearance prices, but even then it's a hard sell since I can print my own cooler looking resin models for pennies.

Of all the creatures that couldve had crazy awesome little bits it would definitely be Kobolds. They couldve had so many cool mischievous "weapons." Such a missed opportunity

At first I thought "Oh wow, I guess they're just testing if they can sell their mini's at games workshop prices..." So thank you for pointing out how much more these are then games workshop. I was just looking at boneharvesters and the fact I could buy one boneharvester or 7 kobolds for the same price is almost comical. Hopefully this doesn't hurt the frameworks line too much in the future, more variety in minis is always nice.

The passive aggressive way you cut down the pricing was the nicest slash I’ve seen. Well done!

"I'm one of the few people on Earth who will ever use this model kit"... Stunningly savage. Made all the more savage by the fact that you weren't trying to be savage... Lol

I’m pretty willing to spend big bucks on stuff like characters and whatnot, but oof, that’s money for models that probably won’t be on the table much. I typically use figures for players and tokens for monsters because I don’t wanna have 10 of the same minis repeatedly on the board through encounters

I'm just getting ready to print a small force of Kobolds. I wonder how they compare in quality and price. It looks like there's an awful lot of wasted sprue compared to the amount of model per sprue

Based off of the stackable design of the sprues, it looks like the manufacturer is Wargames Factory in China, who also make the plastics for Kingdom Death, Maelstrom's Edge, and, I think, Malifeaux.

Like the quality inspectors throughout the video .

They have some cool sculpts. Those prices though, ouchie mama! It's making me appreciate that 3D printer even more LOL.

I am absolutely the target market. Big into DnD, accustomed to GW price points, and have a comfortable enough disposable income. I absolutely baulked at these prices.

I gotta say, I love the transparant bases, so you can see the battlemats and terrain and the stackable sprues blew my mind.

This is exactly why i follow your videos. Thanks so much man! Keep up the great work

As a forever DM, I'm probably the target market for these minis. Usually I just need a couple models for whatever encounter I'm putting together and if they look vaguely like what they're supposed to be, that's great! After the encounter, the minis go into a box and I might never use them again. This is where my 3d printer comes in handy. I can find one model I like and print 10 of them or whatever for almost nothing. The models don't look nearly as nice, but I don't feel bad about dumping them in a box with a bunch of other minis that have served their purpose.

Checking this out right now Brent. I was saving the orcs for a paint/assemble night at my FLGS. I've enjoyed the larger models of Frameworks tremendously, the small ones anger my sausage fingers. =) Thanks for the preview of what to expect and for the link to P2L in your description!

Your painting has come a long way in the last year Brent! Love the work, and the video!

The juxtaposition of your relentless positivity and savage takedown in this video is just beautiful

Tbh, I'd expect kobolds and orks to cost the same, but be significantly more of them

I don't play the games, but I love painting full armies and putting them up on display. I had high hopes for this line, I REALLY wanted my next army to not be a GW army. But these prices suck.

First off, love the paint job! It's nice to see a departure from your usually style and they came out great. Second, and I say this with no malice, I genuinely thought the price was a joke until halfway through the video. I was waiting for the reveal that it was a gag, maybe poking fun at Games Workshop. Then... it kept going. I have no idea how they could have decided the pricing on these. I know plastic miniatures have a hobby premium price compared to other plastic model kits (and I've come to terms with it, as I'm building Games Workshops Lady Olynder as I type this) but this is beyond confusing. This would have been strange five years ago, but in the current world where miniatures are facing competition from 3D printers I am beyond bewildered. I'm not sure how common this is, but my local store has 3d printers you can use with a membership. I can't imagine a world where I would pay 50 dollars for seven kobolds when I could pay less than half of that for access to any prints I want to make.

I too got started painting minis with Warhammer (40k)... I was SHOCKED to find out 7 kobolds is $50... a Tactical Squad of OG Space Marines is only $55... but you get 10 marines!!!! Great and thorough review! Thanks GH... I still might pick some up, ha!

It’s a shame that these are as overpriced as they are because they do look great. I still am not sure these would be for me even if they were priced more reasonably, though. I’m not a huge fan of having to waste bits/options because I can only build one figure. If sets like this came with a number of bodies equal to the bits then I would have no issue, but they don’t. Probably number two reason I’ve never gotten into warhammer and stuff like that…number one being the prices, of course. For these sets, specifically, there are just far too many good, hassle free, much more reasonably priced options for me to ever destabilize my budget for them. I mean, what were they thinking? I can buy some of those cheaper options from WizKids themselves…I don’t think these are going to sell well for them, and I hope they find a way to price more reasonably and not just axe the line. If they do the latter, it would be quite a shame for the folks who *are* interested in these highly customizable figures.

I love the look of those little kobolds - they have a lot of character! That being said, they’ve outdone GW in terms of pricing. I hope if they produce further sets of this line they put more miniatures in the set, lower their price points, and add more modularity to the sets. I won’t hold my breath though and will continue to print my kobolds for a fraction of that price.

This is a fantastic , critical review! Thank you!

Appreciate the honest review.

You said expensive and I still wasn't picturing $50 for the kobolds, wow.

Check out Wargames Atlantic goblins kit, 30 goblins for $35. And it is compatible with the giant spider kit to make spider riding goblins.

Another fantastic video and review. Thank you brother. The paint job looks awsome.

An awesome review Brent, I love your honesty. Thanks

I think you've done a great service to these models. They do seem pretty detailed! And, possibly WizKids is trying to ride on the wave of fame now that WOTC is upping their approach on the market (it's not like they haven't been leading it already though). Oh well, we'll see. IMO budget will always be a question though.

Damn Those kobolds look very small for such a big price tag ... And they don't even have a cool wings option ✌️💚

"This is not a ranting video" **Proceeds to dish the hell out of wizkidz with passive/agressive talk** Loved it.

I like Kobold Talk as a recurring segment!

I'm angry that WizKids is finally giving us clear bases only in the insanely expensive line.

As GW fan who fully knows that they're overpriced, this is really rough. Especially with the sprues lacking a lot of options.

For $50 for seven kobolds, I want a thirty-two page adventure book and a map packed in.

The high price of those kobolds reminds me of the high price of the Modiphius "Star Trek Adventures" dice sets. $21 for 4d6 and 2d20

I’m assuming the sprue layout has to do with the price. A kit that gives you 5 of the same sprue is probably cheaper to produce than a kit that gives you five sprues that are all different, since they have to make five different master molds. And with so few bits on each sprue, the more molds they need. Also more empty space and more sprues equals bigger boxes equals higher shipping cost. Seems to me they could drastically cut the price if they just packed more bits onto a sprue so they could 1) produce fewer sprue types and 2) ship them in smaller boxes. As you say Brent, there’s so many baffling decisions here.

Why were sprue 4 and sprue 2 repeated, and not the others? Well, clearly the answer is 42! Joking aside, when your miniatures make GW minis look cheap, that is a problem. I'm more OK with character or BBEG minis being over-priced because I'm only buying one, and getting the best looking model I can has some value. When it comes to models I want to buy a pile of, value is a much bigger deal.

Every dnd Kobold encounter from here on out needs to feature one of the Kobolds randomly having 50gp in his sack... for no reason.

You’re such an inspiration man, thanks again for the great content!!!