Can the courts move along and charge this murderer as an adult already! 😡

These individuals are usually a perfect storm of bad decisions by everyone involved combined with mental illness, for the state to try to deny this kid is mentally ill is absurd. Understanding what happened here is necessary for society because there was gross parental neglect.

it’s very questionable that someone could watch all this, & then feel “terrible” for this murderer. ffs

Sorry, but….his lawyer instinctively creeps me out. Would not want her defending me. Very impressive judge, though. He’s an example of how to run a courtroom

Defense attorney tried to grill psychiatrist...defense attorney failed miserably 😅

This kid was living with a tortured mind and his parents refused to help him. Now he will be punished for things he had control over and others things he could not control

His day to day activities where torturing animals and fantasizing about killimg people, but he she thinks he was normal because he was working and going to school? I can't wirh this Dr.

Thank you to Ethan's Lawyer for the Questioning to The Forensic Psychiatrist! ❤ New South Wales, Australia 🦘

I don’t understand how criminal defense attorneys can sleep at night !!

I have faith in the judge to do the right thing

he hasn't even stopped growing yet.

I agree with the previous commenter that these situations are the result of a perfect storm of bad decisions, in the defendants case neglect & emotionally abusive parenting combined with mental illness. We have an epidemic of school shooting and gun violence across the country and it’s clear that the county is setting a precedent. I approve that the parents are being implicated and facing possible consequences considering their behavior and decisions. I don’t believe it’s fair to diagnose mental illness based on a legal definition. I don’t question the clearly broad and deep knowledge the people’s expert has. I think the information she is basing her diagnosis off of is flawed. Arguing that while in jail he experienced depressive symptoms with possible psychosis should be weighed not too differently than the post shooting debriefing at the police station. Both don’t address the defendants mental state during the crime. It’s an imperfect system as it’s impossible to gather enough pertinent information of the subjects mental state directly before or during the crime. Furthermore mental illness is a subjective subject a mentally healthy expert goes off training and external experiences to make their judgment. Asking someone who is has never experienced mental illness to truly become an expert on the condition can be presented as a number or parables. They all boil down to the master of the subject never experiencing their own line of experience themselves. I believe there are many different gradients of mental illness and the defendant may have been a semi functional mentally ill individual. His environment conditioned him to not his condition & he likely didn’t fully understand it. But again we have a system and it’s failing to address mental illness until it reaches a point where someone causes harm to themselves or others. Which point best case they are taken into involuntary psychiatric care which may or may not be the best for the individual. Worst case they harm others and a court must decide based on legal definitions their state of mind which doesn’t go beyond providing justice to the victims. While that’s certainly the courts prerogative and broadening it would tax an already over stressed system it doesn’t help prevent another occurrence. Going after the negligent & abusive parents who it seems may have been hoping he would just kill himself. In his state of mind as well as being an adolescent he may have wanted to spite them after he seems to have tried leaving clues. The school failed him by forcing him to be removed from him from the building even if his parents said they wouldn’t take him. The legal system failed him by not providing the means to send a possibly suicidal or violent individual to be removed and sent to a facility which they can get care and not be just stigmatized. Our mental health system fails individuals all across the country. Is Ethan guilty of murder absolutely. He should spend his life atoning for his mistakes, should he spend time in a mental institution I think he should from the evidence I’ve heard about his upbringing and seeming cries for help. Does he deserve to spend time in prison as well yes he does, he should be put away in an institution that can get a better handle on his condition. After years of care in a secure institution he should have to spend time in a real prison with real phycological assistance and the possibility of being put back in to an institution. The goal of his imprisonment should be to see if he can atone & make something of himself. What he did is unforgivable taking young lives like that, he would have to go above an beyond to deserve the chance to see freedom when he’s old. But a abused child developing mental illness and doing something horrific isn’t completely his fault, pulling the trigger certainly was yet he had the deck stack against him. That he cried out for help in an admittedly poor way which may have been influenced by how his would parents reacted to it should weigh in for a light at the end of the tunnel if he truly is the person the defense makes him out to be. Nothing can bring the lost back and the courts are saddled with dealing with those who have been failed by a society that can do better. We don’t have a good mental health service system in the county and we have easy access to firearms and a violent culture. There’s not much Ethan can do to atone for what he did but in the memory of those who he killed we owe it to them to find a better way to not let troubled individuals slip through the cracks. Care needs to be more than just medicating the problem away, we need a holistic approach that looks to cure not just treat. The treatment is profitable for medical professionals, the pharmaceutical industry & others, we have a medical system that beyond mental health treats symptoms well but doesn’t focus on cures or the best possible outcome.

I do have a question on the law. How can they charge his parents for anything if Ethan is being tried as an adult? How can parents legally be responsible for an adult child? Legally.

I feel terrible for Ethan. He deserves punishment because he definitely knows right from wrong. He knew something was wrong. He knew it. He was asking for help and everyone ignored him. Especially his parents. If they spent 10 mins going through his room they would of found things long before this happened. He was neglected and left alone to fester on his fantasies that grew over the years. He had no rules, no consequences, no expectations from his parents. My heart breaks on this one for everyone but his parents. I hope Ethan can give back to others someday by speaking honestly about what happened and what he’s learning about the situation through therapy. I can see him doing that for other kids and young adults in the prison system someday. His parents should rot.

I feel sorry for This kid Ethan Crumbley its his parents fault for raising him as a monster he does deserve life in prison without the possibility of parole

10:31 wasn't sure who's the real victim

This is a sad sad case! I hope his parents get LWP!!!!

So when is the judges decision on not or yes he has mental illness? The defense was not able to prove her work was not sound.

She's wrong.They're all wrong. I believe in the spiritual realm (good and bad) He had evil demons he was dealing with, and welcomed in his life. Those "medical professionals" will NEVER see that! I am PRAYING that he is healed, in Jesus name (along with every child and adult effected by this evil act)! He needs the right kind of help... Godly help. They won't do that. Pray for Ethan, Jesus can and will move in his life and everyone involved.