I really can’t tell if it was because he hated the music he made and wanted to go back to more melodic roots but Issues was just a less hardcore r&b band with meshuggah chugs

fucking same man.

And Jonny Craig!

Ya Qwaynza Maddox that's not vengeance that's just some intro they came up with

definetley an early version of vengeance

This is not vengeance whatsoever. Vengeance was written without/after Tyler carter basically slamming him for leaving the band. Listen to the lyrics, it’s their Vengance against him, get it?

so what they played was basically just the instrumental, if you listen to vengeance you'll hear the guitars play the same exact riff. music is written over a prolonged period. what happened was they probably wrote the instrumental or just that part of vengeance, just used it as an intro for fame over demise, and after tyler left which was VERY close to the time of this video, they finished the song and wrote lyrics which were against tyler hope this helps :)

You need to be looking more in depth musically. Play vengeance please and replay this intro. It is not at all the same, just maybe a little similar. “I WILL LIVE FOREVERRR” & then bam vengeance starts with a breakdown. That entire breakdown drum track in the beginning/end of vengeance which is what you guys are referring to/are seeing the similarities from, is simply not this. Not the same, not related, maybe just a little bit coincidentally similar. While many breakdowns do sound similar, you need to be able to dissect the drum pattern so you know what’s exactly what. Give me one of your phone numbers I’ll send you a video of the differences

lol the truth

Adele is trash in my opinion. Don't like a single one of her songs. Tyler can out sing her any day. You're right. It isn't even a question. He did her song better than her & not that this should count towards who the better singer is but I lost all respect for her the moment she was asked during an interview on a talk show about if she was familiar with this kind of music. The interviewer was going on to say that they have made metal covers of her song. She made a stink face when asked the question, implying that she thinks this kind of music is trash & isn't real music, which pissed me the fuck off. A simple, "yes I am familiar with that genre of music" would have sufficed. This music is better than all others in my opinion & again, I do NOT like a single one of her songs nor do I care for her voice, her appearance, anything. In no way, shape or form, do I find her appealing. when she disrespected Metal, I wanted to punch her in her british fucking teeth. Now obviously, you think she is better than Tyler. You are entitled to your opinion & all but bro, just no. Tyler will always go down in history as the greatest singer, past, present & future in my book. Number[S] is tattooed on my arm & in my opinion will always be the best fucking album ever made in the history of ever. Yes, clearly I am an original Woe, Is Me fanboy & Tyler Carter dick rider & I am damn proud of it! that's all I have to say about that lol.

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