Wolverine vs Cyclops/The X-Men Civil War (X-Men: Schism)

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Wolverine vs Cyclops/The X-Men Civil War (X-Men: Schism)

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"X-Men: Schism" is a 2011 crossover comic book storyline published by Marvel Comics featuring the X-Men, consisting of a five-issue miniseries written by Jason Aaron and illustrated by Carlos Pacheco (issue #1), Frank Cho (issue #2), Daniel Acuña (issue #3), Alan Davis (issue #4) and Adam Kubert (issue #5).

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@milosradmilac8911 7 жыл бұрын

I just loved the idea of Wolverine running a school for mutants- like Proffessor X. The worst student carries on the legacy, the best student betrays it. It's kind of poetic, and has a lot of layers of fall and redemption to it. Plus the whole thing is helped by excellent writing by Jason Aaron on the Wolverine and the X-men title, which is still one of my favourites...

@austincole7286 7 жыл бұрын

Wolverine: you cant teach teenagers to be soldiers! Cyclops: you mean like Xavier did? Wolverine: *sweats*

@AlbertoMartinez765 6 жыл бұрын

I know what a Fkin hypocrite....

@PokemonTrainerChris303 5 жыл бұрын

Austin Cole but they aren’t really soldiers though...

@GraphicNexus 5 жыл бұрын

if u create a school for mutants teach them to use they're powers put them on a jet and send them on missions what do you call them then

@stackin_presents2782 5 жыл бұрын

Poke'mon Trainer Chri$$$ 303 THEYVE FOUGHT GOVERNMENT ROBOTS

@PokemonTrainerChris303 5 жыл бұрын

GraphicNexus a peacekeeping force...

@mastahbruce4704 4 жыл бұрын

You do know Cyclops doesn't need to melt the adamantium. He could generate enough force to break it. He blew wolverines hand clean off in Age of Apocalypseso I wouldn't say he's fighting a losing battle. He definitely has the means to put Wolverine down

@bheemalramlogan4737 Жыл бұрын

Charles had the X-men kids act as child soldiers since its inception but Logan didn’t have an issue then.

@kap1618 5 ай бұрын

Logan's real beef is that Cyclops isn't the boy scout he wants him to be. I always got the feeling Logan felt threatened by Cyclops growing militants.

@GUNDAMSTARX 7 жыл бұрын

Always felt like this was the equivalent to the Batman/Superman fight or sometimes rivalry. It feels out of place a lot and makes one person look like a fool. Unfortunately, to me anyway, it was definitely Wolverine. His actions held some ground until he decided to blow up an island and go off on Cyclops. Scott and Logan are friends. They drink, fight, grieve, and sometimes lose together. I don't understand why THAT's so hard to understand. Sigh, editors.

@ramierj962 7 жыл бұрын

X men have always been an army. They train they fight that's what the original 5 did so I don't know why they wanted to change that narrative

@o76923 5 жыл бұрын

They're more terrorists than an army. They don't have the backing of a legitimate state government, don't abide be treaties related to war, and so on.

@spacepenguins8939 5 жыл бұрын

James Endicott Well I doubt the government backed the original x men

@aaronforsythe8556 3 жыл бұрын

@@spacepenguins8939 insurgents then?

@jamman9569 4 ай бұрын

Because Cyclops was becoming unethical and Wolvie has always protected the kids.

@ramierj962 4 ай бұрын

@@jamman9569 how ? They were getting attacked and literally have the training and powers to stop itn

@thomaswelbourn55 5 жыл бұрын

The best thing about this is that neither was wrong, you can see both sides to the argument, and that is what made it such a great conflict. Personally I side with Cyclops, this is what he's grown up doing, for Wolverine to see it that he's never been in a true conflict is wrong, Cyclops has been through this his entire life, he has to train them and prepare them incase anything ever happens, he's thinking ahead. Wolverine may have their best interests at heart though, let kids be kids, he wants them to have a chance at normality, but let's face it, that can't happen. Neither of them are wrong, but neither are right.

@thatonkgau5221 4 ай бұрын

Ain't that the truth ever since these kids got there mutant powers they've been targeted by giant killer robots and mutant hating assassin's. They lost the right to be normal kids a long time ago, they now need to be soldiers to survive.

@lex_rodriguez 3 ай бұрын

Cyclops is right and that's just the sad truth of their reality. Wolverine was being short sighted, especially since he didn't stop to think that Charles did the same thing with the first class.

@7142320 6 жыл бұрын

I'm an xmen fan but it's so hard. I read comics for escapism but the xman are so depressing. They are forever fighting a losing battle and the sad thing is that that's their story..

@GamerGhostRider 7 жыл бұрын

How the f they managed to take down Colossus, Emma, Iceman, Namor AND Magneto!?

@brooklynborn 7 жыл бұрын

Flavio Alves yeah that had me scratching my head too

@garciab677 7 жыл бұрын

The hellfire club used some alien tech that gets attached into a persons head and basically puts them out

@toluwalase1044 7 жыл бұрын

They could throw pure magnesium dust at Namor then set him a light . After he's incapacitated bind him in carbonadium rings laced with pure magnesium. Then keep him in a container and set the inside a light. Fire a gun that encases Emma frosts head with the same metal magnetos helmet is made of then just tase her while she's confused. If she goes into her diamond form stab her in the thigh with an anti-metal knife the shock will force her out of her diamond form then tase her again. Simply magnetise Colossus nearly pulling him apart then electrocute him forcing him to revert back to his human form. If not you could freeze him to -75°C then break his arms and legs of his body like glass. Or stab him with an anti-metal blade laced with General Anaesthesia. Snipe him with a plastic bullet laced with General Anaesthesia, with a plastic gun. I just realised I'm quite good at thinking about how to take out superheroes.

@GamerGhostRider 7 жыл бұрын

Toluwalase 104 Yeah, sounds easy in theory, but not when comes to reality. When half of this is been putting to work, Magneto or Emma could simply take'em down. Besides that, Magneto doesn't control only metal, he can control the full magnetic soectrum, wich basically means that he can manipulate any polar substance (like water) and etc. There's simply no way that they would be able to do that and lost to an teenager, it's just plot, i guess

@GamerGhostRider 7 жыл бұрын

Brandon Garcia Silly, hahaha

@cquiroz7874 7 жыл бұрын

One kid genius in the Hellfire club is cool. A bunch of them makes it more like a Saturday Morning Cartoon-esque idea.

@vastk783 7 жыл бұрын

Emma frost might as well not wear anything at this point... xD

@XYZRobZombie 7 жыл бұрын

I have a question: Isn't Scott basically a child soldier himself? i mean the x-men at first were all teenagers fighting monsters of the week and magneto. from his perspective he's not asking her to do anything he hasn't done for several several years. While i agree with wolverine i do want to say... ' uh dude, do you not understand how the x-men work?"

@pious83 7 жыл бұрын

It's called "lazy writing".

@supoa9489 6 жыл бұрын

XYZRobZombie Forced writing for inner conflict

@totem91 7 жыл бұрын

Messiah Complex is one of the best written stories of all time, period. Not talking about just comic books. Rob, you should really do a Hope Summers' story, all the way from her birth up to the prelude to schism. This was good, but it just glossed over the best story.

@HaddaClu 7 жыл бұрын

Who the heck would have thought that Wolverine of all people would be the voice of reason.

@GopherChomper 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with everyone else in the comics. Average X-Men stories are more interesting than the best stories of other characters. That’s how just naturally popular and relatable they are

@Belowone 7 жыл бұрын

it just hit me that Captain America has never cared or acknowledge Mutants and Mutant Rights, until AvX but through the history of captain america and the MC universe he really didnt do much for mutants, when the Mutant registration act happen, where was he too fight for the freedom for mutants??? but he sure helped his fellow super humans and citizens and fought for their rights when the Super Human Registration Act came. hoolllyy shit man. this some unspoken symbolism of how we deal with race and having rights here in america.

@Killinemkid 7 жыл бұрын

Doom Santana That's why the mutants didn't consult their "allies" in IvX, they just went in and crushed their enemies.

@AifDaimon 7 жыл бұрын

Doom Santana very valid point.. Cpt America stands for the BASELINE HUMANS, but NOT THE MUTANTS!!!!

@Skybaby79 7 жыл бұрын

what part of "Liberty and justice for all" did you people miss?

@furyberserk 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah! It's almost as if you figured out why Sam Wilson aka Falcon Captain America failed by trying to... promote.... You know what. Nvm. Captain America shouldn't have taken this long. Even Reed thought good of the mutants at some points.

@AifDaimon 7 жыл бұрын

Lockjaw true enough..

@chriscollen6543 7 жыл бұрын

The X-Men were always my favorite growing up. I stopped reading regularly in the late 90s/early 2000s so it's really awesome to find out what they've been up to since.

@ddavis8988 7 жыл бұрын

One of the best and most impactful xmen stories of the most recent 17 years.

@maverickopinions3709 7 жыл бұрын

Yaaasssss!!! You should do more X-Men Rob! This was an epic story, & the whole reason for the rift between Cyclops & Wolverine, which led to the fracturing of the X-Men into two factions, with two diverging philosophies. Awesome!

@Mystyque1357 7 жыл бұрын

Just so everyone knows, they stretched the laws of physics here. Wolverines bones are still held together by tendons and ligaments. So that would mean that yes Cyclops eye blasts should have torn Wolverine apart.

@dexterlaboratory6326 6 жыл бұрын

2:19 Q the fake laugh. Always Gotta have the fake chuckles at least one time in each video.

@nookleer 4 жыл бұрын

Holy hell!! You ACTUALLY say "because of the fact" instead of because like 30 times a video. It's to the point that each time you say it I imagine your mom asking you why you ate the cookies and you start "because of the fact.."

@thomasryan6240 4 жыл бұрын

Cyclops lobbed off Wolverine's hand in AGE OF APOCALYPSE.

@dylanford9311 7 жыл бұрын

98% of the mutants were wiped out leaving 198? That means there were 9,900 mutants before House of M, not millions. Not criticizing Rob on this, just pointing out the math.

@thatonkgau5221 4 ай бұрын

Wolverine is a traitor and a hypocrite he judges Cyclops for putting childrens lives endanger by turning them into soldier. When Xavier was doing the same damn thing and Wolverine also killed a kid and he was willing to kill Hope Summers. All Cyclops was trying to do was save his race from Extinction by using the Phoenix to bring back mutants. And instead of helping him Wolverine sides with the Avengers and the Scarlett Witch( the woman who caused the extinction of mutants in the first place) to stop him.

@drphot6050 7 жыл бұрын

The Hellfire Club was a lowkey swingers group... Lol

@WickedNemesis 7 жыл бұрын

I enjoy The Stepfords looking different and evolving

@ragepaint 7 жыл бұрын

Considering the total number of muntants was approaching minimal viable population and the number of times mutant genocide is used as a plot device it would be foolish to keep repeating the same old mistakes. Mutantkind literally couldn't afford to be so naive.

@TheShadowchiefstudio 7 жыл бұрын

Holy crap, I remember reading these stories and a few others from around this time through Marvel UK's collector's edition, this story may not be too special to anyone else, but this was one of my first major steps into buying comics by issue and means a lot to me. I'd loce to see you cover more stories of the XMen from around the time

@renzowise8261 7 жыл бұрын

Rob had at least 3 halves this video idk how he defys mathematical logic but by the power of The Presence he's done it.

@techniquerules 7 жыл бұрын

With the amount of times humanity's secretly had a "kill all mutants" button and used it can anyone seriously say magneto is wrong, what's this the 100th genocide attempt?

@captainmarvelous7678 7 жыл бұрын

techniquerules lol nope. #Cyclopswasright

@HeilRay 7 жыл бұрын

Captain Marvelous Magneto was right, Cyclops was just righter, Xavier is an old man living in his own crazy little world while his people are being wiped out....sometimes by his own action.

@DragonoftheDarknessFlame 7 жыл бұрын

Magneto has always been right

@maosama3695 7 жыл бұрын

he was, it's time to fight back! where were the avengers when mutant-kind were hunted down like dogs? where were the shield when governments rounded mutants up to be killed off? fuck them all #magnetodidnothingwrong.

@absolutelynologic8099 7 жыл бұрын

Mao Sama he did aim nukes at earth though...

@FlakoFlow87 7 жыл бұрын

i LOVED this story... funny i read this again the other day and you do a video for it, lol. kinda upset you didnt mention the most touching line cyclops told wolverine, "Jean never loved you you know.." that line alone (for someone readin xmen for decades) touched my heart.. now you neeed to do videos on wolverine and the x men, and uncanny xmen!

@kaleiohulee6693 7 жыл бұрын

As much as I'd like to see some mutants and X-Men in the MCU, they really have always felt like a separate section of Marvel comics.

@ExeErdna 7 жыл бұрын

Marvel is gonna be forced to retcon House of M sometime down the road. Honestly they're running out of conflicts since nobody is honestly a threat like that anymore. There's too many heroes and not enough villains I mean legit villains, not disgruntled heroes beefing over who drink the last beer.

@thanostitan5827 7 жыл бұрын

Wolverine is a murderer and he has the balls to question cyclops motive, when cyclops was fighting the good fight and that short scumbag was drunk fighting and killing

@beniyashasama8327 3 ай бұрын

Wolverine had a difficult childhood, and his life as an adult was not easy either, he fought in several conflicts throughout history, not because he liked it, he did it following a cause but in the end many people deceived him, used him, manipulated him. You can't judge him for having the life he had, he had no choice, he is simply a victim of his circumstances, Charles was like a guide for him, a mentor, Charles may have created the X-men, but he was never inclined to use force, he preferred to use peaceful methods and give his students the possibility of having a normal life, either to integrate into human society or to be a teacher at his school. The X-men were only a select group of combatants for extreme situations. It was never their intention to create an army of mutants, most of them learned to use their abilities to not harm others or themselves, and a very few became part of the X-men.

@thec00l20 7 жыл бұрын

Hate how they've sidelined Hope. One of my favorite characters hands down and one of the best new character introductions ever.

@nicholaslazala758 7 жыл бұрын

Rob, please cover all that stuff! The one shot and the Cyclops and Wolverine schools.

@jacoblemoine6238 7 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why people thumbs down these vids? if ya don't like don't watch, trolls awesome job rob! never read this one so thanks

@COLBYtheDRAGON 7 жыл бұрын

ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES THANKS ROB YOURE THE GOAT

@batuhandurtas2535 7 жыл бұрын

You are an endangered(or as emma say at the edge of extinction) species u have to use all your sources to stay alive and yes those kids and both kids and X-Men wolwerine just being too idealistic about the situation

@mrnix1001 7 жыл бұрын

Wow. This is probably my favorite video to date. I think maybe it had to do with the length; it seemed to have covered more than most videos do. Regardless, great f*ing job, Rob!

@flashlight2 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this video, Rob @comicsexplained. That being said, I want you to know that I am very disappointed that you did not say "yeah" at the end of this video. We need the "yeah", Rob! But again thank you for all you do. #yeahnexttime.

@EatinPaste 7 жыл бұрын

I've always imagined that "schism" would be the noise made when Wolverine sliced his claws through Cyclops' optic beam.

@BLUECOLLARSTRIDEYT 6 жыл бұрын

Please cover the x-men and iron man and avengers etc during the schism event, that would be AMAZING

@DrFate-dd7ek 7 жыл бұрын

Rob your videos are the only ones I always like just to help you out cause you're cool

@Joseph_inc.89 4 жыл бұрын

I watch this vid daily idky i like it so much but your very good in this vid

@PhinsBlazers 6 жыл бұрын

an alternate universe where the court of owls(hell fire club) plans with a dark young bruce wayne was a success

@MichaelKekara 7 жыл бұрын

Rob bro this is one hell of a story good work homie

@moephileo63 7 жыл бұрын

I know that x-men is your first love and I know that they have had shoddy stories over that last decade but PLEASE DO MORE XMEN. You shot through messah complex.

@damonm. 7 жыл бұрын

Rob: "Make sure you drop a like and OH..." That was different LOL

@jordonnelson7980 4 жыл бұрын

I'm finally watching this now! Just noticed this was posted on my birthday!

@aaronforsythe8556 3 жыл бұрын

Manipulating heat is much more powerful than you would think. Has to do with rapid changes in Temperature

@kelkamer630 7 жыл бұрын

Pleeeaaase cover "all that stuff" about the X-Men stories!!

@KyserMont 3 ай бұрын

Yo you about to get hella views in the next few weeks

@RL-ji2gm 3 жыл бұрын

Concussion blasts are just kinetic energy Argo heat is a by product of said energy, not “just a punch”

@freack3333 7 жыл бұрын

NO, just no. I won't believe that some kid, i don't care how smart could get other seemingly normal humans to take out FIVE count, FIVE of the strongest X-men without any casualties or damages. Just No.

@Graphomite 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was pretty stupid.

@GameSmithPlays 7 жыл бұрын

still waiting for your conclusion too the infinity war playlist aha. its been months Rob! wheres it at!! and great video once again :p

@thedoron21 7 жыл бұрын

Idie Okonkwo (Ee die-ay Oh kon-quo). Also, can you say, 'Ororo Munroe' 3 times fast?? Great video and thanks!

@bobrob6629 2 жыл бұрын

Jeez if this be done more realistically ..: Cyclops beam once hit Wolvie would give Cyke enough time to finish him off by ripping his flesh of adamantium bones (it was said in the past that his beams can even shatter adamantium ..but whatever) , the only way Wolvie to win this if he fights hidden in the building area ..something like x-23 done in the movie .

@lichiking9758 7 жыл бұрын

you should cover when scott was in charge, like x-men vs dark avengers or vs dracula

@jayvillanueva723 6 жыл бұрын

You should cover every X-Men Ark that has happened

@shawnberry760 2 жыл бұрын

Never stop with X-men videos! Can you make one on X-men civil war?? Where they have to bust that stark bunker?

@seanhansard2159 4 жыл бұрын

I know it's probably been a while since you did the video I just watched. But when the purifiers and the sential army is destroying the x mansion. I would like to hear that man.

@ThePERFECTdiary 7 жыл бұрын

1.1 million YO IM SO FUCKIN PROUD OF YOU MAN YOUR MAKIN LEAPS FROM WHERE YOU STARTED WOW

@HNGamingOfficial 7 жыл бұрын

Now that was a great end of the vid. I know where to go off I want to follow up on this storyline. Thanks!

@dannyblack8704 4 жыл бұрын

Your voice puts me in a good mood 😁

@nooneofimportance2110 7 жыл бұрын

Do more X-Men stuff please. They really need the love.

@Bl00dwerK 7 жыл бұрын

I'm down for any and all videos about the X-Men.

@ikh5150 7 жыл бұрын

It would be awesome to either do the major events of mutants since House of M or the Messiah trilogy.

@blancacantu3809 6 жыл бұрын

It would be cool if you made a video of Cyber, the only character Wolverine fears.

@amyaurion 5 жыл бұрын

Wolverine during Schism and ever since, until his death, has been so goddamn annoying. He is a hypocrite of the highest level. For decades he has never argued with Xavier over using literally children and teenagers as X-Men but the moment Scott does it, in a situation where there was no real alternative, he cries like a fucking baby. Marvel made a huge mistake ever seperating these two into different groups and thankfully they are fixing it now in Uncanny. Good summary of the event though, helped refresh my memory of it.

@kap1618 7 ай бұрын

Wolverine is obsessed with being the bad boy of the X Men, so when Scott stops acting like the "Boy scout," Logan thinks he is then he starts whining.

@locussolus9646 7 жыл бұрын

Very nice information Robby Boy.

@fireflame62 4 жыл бұрын

If you read both series some panels are incomplete in one issue in one series and is complete in the other basically is the same panel told at a different viewpoint

@lammy8967 6 жыл бұрын

Nice work! I really enjoy all your videos and they have enlightened me. So nicely made and good voice!

@emiliorivas5832 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like this video should be in the X-Men Playlist

@aaronroberts680 7 жыл бұрын

You should do a "What If: Chaos King vs Marquis of Death"

@alexvalentin4969 7 жыл бұрын

Loved that you covered this!! I grew up with the X-Men!! I have X-Men #1 with Jim Lees amazing cover art!! I say DO MORE X-MEN!!!

@NoduhhSebass 7 жыл бұрын

More x men content please and inside house of m and more stories around XMen

@scarletnight4554 7 жыл бұрын

I'm actually reading the my own personal lead up to avengers vs X-Men does this look like a good list?: House of m (already read) Decimation (currently reading) Deadly Genesis Endangered species (couldn't find it online, so read a summary) Messiah complex trilogy Divided we stand Manifest destiny Schism Regenesis X-sanction And finally the big event itself

@FabioOliveira-ru2bi 6 жыл бұрын

scarlet night cool Excellent, Messiah Complex and Regenesis are amazing

@lonzogibson3497 7 жыл бұрын

Please do more xmen this was WILD.

@carl056 7 жыл бұрын

Wolverine is so annoying. He has left this school to fend for itself so many times. Now all of the sudden he cares that the kids are fighting?

@MatataMcCleskey 6 жыл бұрын

Carl Lafleur So cartoon characters can't learn and change because that would be too realistic right?

@TheGamingCrow 5 жыл бұрын

I am reading comics of Marvel even longer than Rob does, for almost 35 years now. Wolverine almost *always* cared about kids in the past, they are his kryptonite, so to speak.

@JosephQPublic 5 жыл бұрын

TazeMeBro McCleskey - That’s a terrible argument...

@BlowHeat1416 7 жыл бұрын

those moments when your parents decides to name you mutant and some witch wipes you out of existence

@retro_mutant_toybox 6 жыл бұрын

You should do the whole age of apocalypse run!!!!

@jspear2755 7 жыл бұрын

Finally back to Xmen!

@idahoketcham3210 7 жыл бұрын

Rob! Love your work, longtime subscriber. Marvel 1602! Please! On of my favorite marvel alternate storylines!

@MrBluePatriot 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Rob, you should cover Invincible Iron Man: The Five Nightmares...I promise you it's better than any Iron Man stories you've covered so far.

@victorgonzalez2927 7 жыл бұрын

As a Marine Vet I side with Wolverine. It is never okay to use children soldiers. Anyone arguing otherwise should sign up and serve in the military first then get back to me.

@yosh3490 7 жыл бұрын

Yes! Cover more xmen stories! Operation zero tolerance! Xforce! Deadpool! Cable! DO IT ALLLLLL! Please. ! :)

@michaelparks6914 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for covering some X-Men Rob! The first comic I ever bought was an X-Men comic. I wouldn't mind if you did a video called "X-Men:The Abridged History " or if you covered the animated series. While the series isn't canaan, it's classic.

@wereadcomicstoo 7 жыл бұрын

Rob, please do the Utopia and the Dark Avengers Crossover. I think Matt Fraction's run was pretty sick on this too.

@cluhendrix8432 3 жыл бұрын

I hope this story is AMAZING

@LeGioNoFZioN 7 жыл бұрын

schism was another nail in the coffin for a once great book

@WebSlingerProductionsofficial 7 жыл бұрын

I'm a simple person.I see Cyclops in the title,i comment: Cyclops Was Right!

@noonenewagain 7 жыл бұрын

Rob let me get that black panther versus martian Manhunter doe

@mr.walrus4352 7 жыл бұрын

Comicsexplained plz do a vid on cyborg superman's background, achievements and everything of the sort. Love your vids

@annievega2729 7 жыл бұрын

Rob please cover DC's Justice, it's drawn by Alex Ross! You know I'm not going to stop asking this!

@dogico 7 жыл бұрын

Yes! More X Men stories please.

@borhanuddin4289 2 жыл бұрын

Cyclop character development very impressive.

@HeilRay 7 жыл бұрын

Even in the end, Cyclops was right, Xavier died chasing a pipe dream.

@HeilRay 7 жыл бұрын

#CyclopsWasRight

@Hellheart 7 жыл бұрын

I was never too big on Wolverine (I'm a huge fan of Colossus and Nightcrawler), but this story arc went an enormous way into developing Logan's personality and worldviews. He was written excellently here, in my opinion. Honestly, I believe that had the writing for Wolverine not been as good as it was, this story would, actually, have been a bit lackluster.

@rhywar621 Жыл бұрын

Wolverine is a hypocrite and irresponsible he should just stay in the woods with the animals

@Hellheart Жыл бұрын

@@rhywar621 Care to elaborate? If you have articulate case to make, I'd be glad to hear you out.