“Wootz” Steel with the addition of Alloying Elements Part 2

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Жыл бұрын

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@donalddparker Жыл бұрын

I retired from high tech and now woodwork for a hobby. I'm so impressed with your approach, the science you tie to it, and the beautiful pieces that are the end result. Thanks for sharing with all of us!

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Thank you! And thanks for watching!

@yomamuh Жыл бұрын

Nice vid Sir great to have U back

@y-notforge8913 Жыл бұрын

..Creating custom knives, axes, hatchets and blending the metal, Super Cool...!

@thebogamin Жыл бұрын

i love watching these wootz videos. really gets into the science of this which is awesome

@Imbored558 Жыл бұрын

Awesome sauce. The more I learn from watching videos like this the more I realize that I don't know anything. lol

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

😂 Hell, I didn’t know any of this about a year ago. Lots of reading, learning and experimentation!

@Imbored558 Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyForge such is the life of a mechanic. Im a wrench spinner too. lol. Got tired of the slope life though and now managing a fleet in town.

@OhhhBugger 5 ай бұрын

THAT is watered steel! Amazing!

@jaehallett3743 Жыл бұрын

Wroth the wait good information.

@mannsdan Жыл бұрын

beautiful pattern! so much like historical wootz! thanks for showing the knife making world our process. we are all better for it!

@efro4812 Жыл бұрын

Awesome work as usual, the science covered is great as well. Can’t wait to see what the future brings.

@stephenborders4654 Жыл бұрын

Great looking blade. I can’t say I understand it all but it sure turned out great.

@nativeflight7079 Жыл бұрын

Very cool man. Keep up the good work.

@negev3377 Жыл бұрын

That turned out great, keep up the good work & videos,. Thanks.

@johnniekane6315 Жыл бұрын

I use stainless steel foil for heat treat . after i forge the steel out. ill start my heat treat at 1700 going down 100 at a time down to 1300 .i let it set for 15 min at each temp. (1300 twice). I add paper to burn off the air. this will help stop decarb. let cool to room temp between heats. have fun.

@seed_of_the_woman Жыл бұрын

this is a comment i want to understand better. separate heat treats? down to room temp every time? how do you use steel foil for heat treatment, and when and how do you add paper to “burn off the air?” thanks for the share and the insight. are you making wootz? 👑

@johnniekane6315 Жыл бұрын

@@seed_of_the_woman the paper go inside the stainless steel foil with the steel it all stays in the envelope until the process is done. this process will refine the grin and make working the steel easier and set the steel up for hardening and tempering.

@althesmith 10 ай бұрын

Seen a lot of old wootz in my wanderings. Looks like your work came up pretty damn good to me!

@stephenjohnson6841 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your approach. Great video with lots of information. The knife looks great! Thanks again for posting!

@clydecox2108 Жыл бұрын

I don't like it, I love it. Nice skinner...

@jackburton9214 Жыл бұрын

This is crazy. You are definitely taking it to another level. Subbed

@seed_of_the_woman Жыл бұрын

i am going to guess you have it there, my friend! 👑 love, david

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Thank you! And thanks for watching!

@brendalindsay1904 Жыл бұрын

very nice! very wootz

@manatoa1 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff

@Aminuts2009 Жыл бұрын

looking good keep it up!

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Bryan!

@WenereiKaraka 5 ай бұрын

All thanks to Al pendaray work on bringing wootz back

@HeavyForge 5 ай бұрын

He didn’t bring it back. He brought it to the attention of the Bladesmithing community in the west. Wootz was never “lost” it stopped being mass produced but was still being made by many families carrying on the tradition. On another note the process that was documented in the famous Wootz documentary on KZfaq was not his real process that was actually some BS!

@cerramouspe1 Жыл бұрын

Now that is truly a hand made knife! Great job.

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

@guariaxsmith3557 Жыл бұрын

I love you men, in french we don't have information like you give to us , i learn a lot, little question , what is the acid you use to reveal the pattern , it doesn't look like perchlorure Iron

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Thank you! It’s 2% Nital (nitric acid) work wonders on Wootz.

@christiankrippenstapel4336 6 ай бұрын

Great stuff man - congrats! 👍 How did you come up with Niobium? I´ve never heard about it as a alloy-compound for wootz.

@HeavyForge 5 ай бұрын

There’s many carbide forming elements found in Wootz.

@stewartanderson6560 Жыл бұрын

How well does the steel perform compared to "regular" blades? Looks awesome.

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

I’d say close to W2.

@cabinetdecuriositestechniq3059 4 ай бұрын

It looks like Wootz at two steps, well done ! However, the pattern of the real Wootz is denser and, above all, knows neither nitric acid nor any other polishing. Damascus steel contained 0.1% Vanadium which caused the carbide grains to migrate in several stages of heating/hammering, until the desired effect was obtained. See Wikipedia under Wootz.

@HeavyForge 4 ай бұрын

That pattern is dendritic due to the alloying content. Traditional Wootz was all over the place in chemistry. The Indian Wootz was very low alloy with Phosphorus content. Vanadium is not the key to achieving a wattered pattern as a matter of fact Phosphorus is a much more powerful element in Wootz. Disregard pendray and verhoeven papers. Wikipedia is a horrible source for information on Wootz. I suggest educating yourself on the subject and join the international Wootz society.

@cabinetdecuriositestechniq3059 4 ай бұрын

Damascus steel no longer exists. So you are making a copy of Wootz. Not bad, but a copy nonetheless.

@HeavyForge 4 ай бұрын

@@cabinetdecuriositestechniq3059 Wootz never ceased to exist. A lot of families made it up to modern days and still carry the tradition today. So to say it doesn’t exist is false. Your facts are skewed and inaccurate. The Japanese still make tamahagane today and still practice ancient smithing traditions. They do apply more modern equipment and materials but that doesn’t mean it simply does not exist because it’s not being produced in ancient times.

@brunovandooren3762 4 ай бұрын

@@HeavyForge What makes you say to disregard Pendray and Verhoeven? I have still steel from Pendray and I'm curious as to what makes you say to disregard their process when it works.

@HeavyForge 4 ай бұрын

@@brunovandooren3762 it was not pendrays real process. He kept that to himself shared with very few. If you follow there papers you won’t succeed. So no it doesn’t work. How the pattern in Wootz is created is still a mystery today and I assure it has nothing to do with Vanadium. If you really want to understand Wootz I suggest joining the international Wootz society.

@yubnub3000 Жыл бұрын

How do you explain the Niobium content? Not the amount, just the presence of it at all?

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Sorry but I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking?

@nicholasking6066 Жыл бұрын

You can make dendritic all day but it's not wootz and functional unless it is .004 - .01% Venadium, any chromium will throw it over. I'm hoping the niobium eather does not interfere with the Venadium, or that it is an upgrade from the Venadium. Remember just because it is dendritic and makes a pretty pattern to the naked eye does not make it Wootz, that can only be confirmed under your microscope, the fact that you have one and are getting your steel tested and blatantly have journeyman skill level at the least are why I'm rooting for you. Proper wootz are many many tight close together layers, half are just iron, the other half are a web of medium to high carbon spring steel with tons of balls of iron carbide in them. Your cutting edge is literally balls of iron carbide like ducks in a row. Quenching knocks all of this out of alignment, the spring steel in this case is made by gentle working and lots of thermal cycling instead of thermal cycle quench and tempted as with normal spring steel.

@thereisnoone158 3 ай бұрын

How is the edge retention in comparison to 5160 steel?

@HeavyForge 3 ай бұрын

I recently worked with Larrin Thomas and there will be a study released soon enough on Wootz performance so stay tuned!

@nicholasking6066 Жыл бұрын

Dude seriously watch the vid about master Pendry, get the Venadium right lose the chromium stop quenching learn the two steps your missing and take that beautiful skill of yours to masterwork Wootz town! I will be sitting here in the bleachers football war face paint on and cheering your successes and calling bad reff get off the field on the mistakes along the way lol.

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

I’m very familiar with pendrays work. I don’t think you understand the point of this experiment or what the added alloys do in the steel. This is more of a custom crucible steel than authentic Wootz. I suggest you join the international Wootz society and really learn about Wootz. Highly skilled and educated smiths there. One which worked with Al Pendray.

@nicholasking6066 Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyForge ty. When you said that you did not know the exact amounts wich is crucial to making it work I thought you did not know about Master Pendry, there is next to nothing on KZfaq that is accurate outside of their work but here you are truly trying and I couldn't just not speak up. You mentioned some one in the groupe worked with Master Pendry, aside from Dr. Vahoven the only other person I can think of is his apprentice. Ah and the two Jordanian smiths. Where do I go online to join? I need to join a groupe at some point as my middle son has made it clear that talk is cheep and I need to find us a master Smith to learn under and figure out ways around my health, he has his eye on forging his own armor before joining the mandolorian mercs ;~)

@nicholasking6066 Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyForge and thank you for instructing me in my missinformed assumptions, I apologize for assuming it was not my intent to paint you as ignorant, only to be helpful. Out of curiosity, what was the desired knowledge to Garner from this experiment?

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasking6066 www.internationalwwotzsociety.com I wanted to see how the alloys effected the pattern, difference in forgeability and performance. Wootz was very low in alloys (CFE’s) some Wootz was found to have different alloys besides just Vanadium.

@nicholasking6066 Жыл бұрын

@@HeavyForge ty

@clarkkent5442 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely amazing! Thank you for all the instruction too! I thought I was gonna have to construct a coal forge to confine a area small enough to reach melting temperatures. I already have a foundry that I use for brass and bronze. Needless to say, that puppy is about to get some modifications!

@HeavyForge Жыл бұрын

Right on!