Tolkien, Lewis, and Evangelization

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Word on Fire Institute

Word on Fire Institute

Жыл бұрын

Andrew Petiprin moderates a conversation between leading J.R.R. Tolkien scholar Dr. Holly Ordway and leading C.S. Lewis scholar Fr. Michael Ward. The pair debate and discuss J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, two Christian literary giants of the twentieth century.
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@heroicacts5218
@heroicacts5218 Жыл бұрын
This talk is amazing! Congratulations Word on Fire for such amazing discussions! God bless!
@bernardevillaw3410
@bernardevillaw3410 Жыл бұрын
330,000 little boys in France were raped by 3,000 catholic pedophile priests, and it barely made the news, because people EXPECT that from catholics. Jesus said child rape was UNFORGIVABLE (Matt 18:6-14), and everyone who supported it will get eternal damnation. That means every catholic. What is amazing is that people can't see that satan runs the catholic church.
@nereb100
@nereb100 Жыл бұрын
“O Blessed Trinity, we thank You for having graced the Church with John Ronald Reuel Tolkien and for allowing the poetry of Your Creation, the mystery of the Passion of Your Son, and the symphony of the Holy Spirit, to shine through him and his subcreative imagination. Trusting fully in Your infinite mercy and in the maternal intercession of Mary, he has given us a living image of Jesus the Wisdom of God Incarnate, and has shown us that holiness is the necessary measure of ordinary Christian life and is the way of achieving eternal communion with You. Grant us, by his intercession, and according to Your will, the graces we implore… hoping that he will soon be numbered among Your saints. Amen.”
@aleksandrablaszczyk5971
@aleksandrablaszczyk5971 Жыл бұрын
This has been a delight. You’re all brilliant. Thank you!! 🙏❤️
@Martika264
@Martika264 Жыл бұрын
This is so informative. I am so happy that I watched it. Thank so much.
@judithgrace8359
@judithgrace8359 Жыл бұрын
A fascinating discourse. Brilliant discussion.
@eleanorbertuch135
@eleanorbertuch135 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation 🙏❤️
@catherinegiuliano8573
@catherinegiuliano8573 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating and so informative.. thank you to everyone 😊
@mac3441
@mac3441 Жыл бұрын
This was wonderful. I can always listen to Fr. Ward talk about Jack
@Sharkman1963
@Sharkman1963 Жыл бұрын
Remarkably thoughtful discussion of two giants.
@chase6579
@chase6579 Жыл бұрын
LOTR was a big part of my conversion.
@Ericviking2019
@Ericviking2019 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@SaintJoseph911
@SaintJoseph911 Жыл бұрын
This was great to watch. I've always been into fantasy books and over the past 6 months have come back to the Catholic faith in full force. I've often had the desire to write a book. The notion of writing something that could bring people into the "hall" as it was said, bring people into the ball park. It's gets people a step closer to God. Are there any other Christian fantasy works out there?
@calebstober195
@calebstober195 Жыл бұрын
You might be interested in The Deed of Paskenarrion, it pulls from Eastern European traditions but is a great book in its own right.
@chuimataisinglai8235
@chuimataisinglai8235 Жыл бұрын
Being a great fans of Lewis it's a great talk
@alondraceja9618
@alondraceja9618 9 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@evanssolomon8575
@evanssolomon8575 Жыл бұрын
If Tom Holland was part of this exposition the same would be interesting.
@nathanngumi8467
@nathanngumi8467 Жыл бұрын
Word.
@TyroneBeiron
@TyroneBeiron Жыл бұрын
Oddly, no reference to the parallel in the lives or work of Ronald Knox and Evelyn Waugh, which made the conversation less textured than I had hoped.
@RikiTikiTaviXVX
@RikiTikiTaviXVX Жыл бұрын
Talking about objective moral reality; I think a lot of secular people are open to the idea. At the very least; open to the idea that they live their lives AS IF objective moral truths existed. I think people in the church need to be open to the idea that there may be something wrong about how they present that objective moral reality. I find it self evident that the child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church could not have happened unless there were some pretty serious misunderstandings of moral truths at work in the church. You do not get moral rot of that extremely severe nature (not only the abuse itself but the unwillingness of hierarchy to take it seriously) without something being badly amiss at the meta level. I think a lot of church leaders still refuse to recognize the problem at the meta level. Hopefully something good will come out of the synodal way, the hierarchy obviously needs help from the laity and from divine manifestations in the world.
@cameronshorkey843
@cameronshorkey843 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons why it's hard for me to join the Catholic Church, as appealing as it is to me, and as much as I love and respect so much of what it has to offer. It's hard for me to get over that; though, I have some theological disagreements too. Unfortunately, such deplorable behavior is found in the Protestant church as well.
@RikiTikiTaviXVX
@RikiTikiTaviXVX Жыл бұрын
@@cameronshorkey843 I would argue the evidence suggests the Catholic Church has had far more child abuse. The root causes are two, I believe: 1. Chastity in priesthood. It makes it far more likely that people who feel that their sexuality is disordered become priests, seeking “institutional help” not to live out their sexuality. But repressed sexuality is a very dangerous force and the more the sexual drive is repressed the more warped it can become, finally breaking through. 2. Not allowing female ordination. I think the three common arguments against female ordination are all theologically unsound but furthermore, “clubs” with only one gender more easily drift into dysfunction, mixing the genders creates more balance and harmony.
@joemeehan2056
@joemeehan2056 Жыл бұрын
Child abuse is not a just a church problem. It is 1st and foremost a societal problem. Abuse in any form is evil. Society is sick. That it has made its way into the church is not surprising. Understand the church includes clergy AND laity. So if you are thinking about becoming catholic, please do. We could use your passion to battle this evil. If you have left the church because of this its your choice. Come help us or cut and run. God Bless.
@glennward5898
@glennward5898 Жыл бұрын
@@cameronshorkey843 Pedos will always seek out places of authority over children. Either in the church or in the school boards. The catholic church has about 1.5% abuse and the current school system is about 3%. If you want to protect children be there to stop it.
@directinprint
@directinprint Жыл бұрын
Look at any human society in history. You will not find a single one that did not contain people who sexually exploited children. You can almost put it as a sub category of lust, which is a sub category of original sin. Child abuse is not a church problem (uniquely) it is a human problem. In fact, prior to Christianity, and Judaism, having sex with children, slave children often, but usually someone else’s children, was normal and accepted. There are cultures AND religions that have normalized child rape and child marriage. Many pagan religions ritualized the behaviour perhaps in an attempt to control it. (A tribe in Papuan New Guinea, ALL boys fellate tribe elders.) Marcus Aurelius was not a fan of sex with slave children, but understood it was culturally accepted and had no solution. If you go through the entire history of the Catholic Church, and Judaism and look at the behaviour of church leaders, popes, saints, rabbis, etc. you are going to find heinous sin - breaking of the commandments, etc. That is NOT the church, that is the people in the church. So far as the church’s behaviour legally, sheltering pedophilic priests etc, I think that was born out of scriptures where Christ taught forgiveness. In other worlds, the hands of the church leaders were tied by the belief that IF a brother confesses, and IF a brother is truly contrite, they must be offered forgiveness, as taught by our Lord. It seems as though the church has repented of this - with new understanding that pedophilic behaviour is not easy to solve, and is therefore sometimes best left to secular punishments. I’m not stating any facts here… just my current state of ignorance ❤. But I too struggled with this matter… greatly. My family had pedophiles, I have a deep horror (and frankly deep rage) at that illness. But I needed to come back to the church. And I thought perhaps the church, (proximally those is my community) needed me back too. So I had to somehow come to terms with the dark history. Every day since I’ve come back (about six months) I’ve read or listened to all I can on history… of the church, but also cultural anthropology. I wrestle with this. But as an atheist, I struggled with it too. I would ask my husband and men close to me: what is the issue of pedophila? Is it ubiquitous?? Most men I spoke to were horrified and angered by the thought… But I cannot allow the sins of man to keep me from at least trying to be close to God, from trying to be a servant of God, from being a part of my community, by giving thanks and praise where it’s properly due. I’ve worshipped science, I’ve worshipped the state, God help me I’ve worshipped myself. I’ve wasted so much time with false Gods. I have no more time to waste on idolatry. I cannot allow the sins and sickness of individuals within the church, or the missteps of mother church and her leaders to allow myself to waste any more time. And I can’t allow myself to continue being a hermit, to pray on my own (in selfishness) and pretend I’m still worshipping the false gods of science/state/self. I’m newly un lapsed, but it seems that prayer for sinners, and asking my community to pray for me AS a sinner, is one sane path. Also, I have noted that at the beginning of the mass, the attendants aren’t the only ones petitioning God for forgiveness. I note that the priests, monks, and Deacons are also saying the prayer and striking their breasts. I have too many excuses already to NOT serve. I have house work, paid work, yoga and workouts, KZfaq, Netflix, A million things that I can do other than go to church or pray. I’m not going to let the reality of sin stop me from trying to sin less, and give more. ❤
@Yore297
@Yore297 Жыл бұрын
Did they talk about how Tolkien hated the new mass?
@raven5875
@raven5875 Жыл бұрын
👍✝️
@chunumummy4161
@chunumummy4161 Жыл бұрын
Names and geographical distance and licks and not known and reall practical needs and love or not ? Befor practical convertion is a stopeg post to re-think,
@PhilipShawn
@PhilipShawn 4 ай бұрын
Instincts dont have to animalistically inclined.
@chunumummy4161
@chunumummy4161 Жыл бұрын
Think iff their is fortunately present Grandfather and front are his small children's of his son's and are noicing and playing crying and fighting" Grandfather whoom will lick and dislike ? Or will guidelines for all ? Ifff is one and wee all then will he dooo whaat ? Bless to dis-bless ? answer for self ?
@vgrof2315
@vgrof2315 Жыл бұрын
After reading "Mere Christianity", I think that CS Lewis will someday be seen as a completely muddled individual. His analogies in support of Christianity will be viewed as invalid.
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