Milwaukee Tool M18 Brushless String Trimmer 1-Year Update Model 2828-20

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This video is an update after 1-year of use with the Milwaukee Tool M18 Brushless String Trimmer model 2828-20. Still love this trimmer but the vibrations are getting more and more annoying. It is at the point that my hand will feel tingly or slightly numb after 20-minutes of use.
The MILWAUKEE Tool M18 Brushless String Trimmer is built specifically for trimming applications with up to 6,200 RPM. This is not compatible with Milwaukee Tool Quik Lok attachments. The motor in this string trimmer is located in the head of the string trimmer. The string trimmer has high and low-speed settings and also has one of the "closest to gas" variable speed triggers I have ever used.
The adjustable 14-16" cutting sweat combined with an Easy Load Trimmer Head with the ability to load up to 25' of trimmer line in .080" or .095" sizes.
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@jrec5763 39 минут бұрын

Love your videos. I have the same unit and I’ve noticed the string unwinding at various points when using. Basically, a piece of the sting would get chopped off every few minutes. I feel like I’m wasting the string. Is this normal or is this a defective unit?

@charlesking678 2 жыл бұрын

I like these long term reviews. Much more real world.

@aaronclaar8748 Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate the long-term reviews 👍

@DJ_PROMO_PR 2 жыл бұрын

Bought this trimmer last year after watching your video. Haven't notice the vibrations yet, but even with that I can't complain about this trimmer. Great powerful unit. Got it in a combo with charger and a 5v battery. Then bought a 6v to alternate. House yard big af. 🤣🙏

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@joseaguinaga7670 Жыл бұрын

5 ah not 5 v.

@sean900fps 24 күн бұрын

thank you for the updated review ..well done great explanation ...pros/cons well done 🥃thank you

@aaronpantell1038 2 жыл бұрын

Great video i have the unit that has the motor in the rear and i love it.i can run it on high for 20 min on a 5ah battery and i love not having to fool with gas.i dont use it allot maybe once a week so it is perfect for me.

@kentaroo.7759 Ай бұрын

I have the older fuel trimmer non quick lok. I use a 12ah, 9ah, and 8ah batteries. Still works great.

@fecalmatter4195 2 жыл бұрын

I got this trimmer yesterday for commercial use I cut high thick grass just fine and I also realised it was on turtle speed the whole time. the only difference is I use the 12amp 50% more power battery they are kind of new. Infact I would say it performed better than my Stihl gas one but it is old.

@TheNottonight 2 жыл бұрын

I had 4 string trimmers ego was great until it died then I went three Ryobi literally the head burst in flames the third one was it DeWalt 20v that died. Now I have a Dewalt flex volt for the past two years. It’s powerful and works flawlessly.

@thesandman775 2 жыл бұрын

Running the DeWalt 60v trimmer here as well. Trigger response isn't nearly as good as the Milwaukee, but has more power and WAY less vibration.

@atrainace114 2 жыл бұрын

What happened with the ego and dewalt, if you dont mind me asking? The motors just burned up or was it another part that failed?

@TheNottonight 2 жыл бұрын

@@atrainace114 They just stop working. Probably my fault I had thick string line in them and the kids left them outside on more then one occasion.

@anthonymacneil2279 11 ай бұрын

@@atrainace114 I had two Dewalts just stop working, got two seasons out of each on light residential use. Both the motor circuit board crapped out. They were both looked after and no abused. Dewalt trimmers are garbage, to any that have them, it's only a matter of time before they stop working. Have a Milwaukee Quick Lok, it's leaps and bounds better than Dewalt. As for vibration it's not an issue and dont notice any. To any that it does, insulation tape will fix it on the handle.

@atrainace114 11 ай бұрын

@@anthonymacneil2279 wow 2 flexvolts that stopped working? Or regular 20v? Thanks for the info

@richardbrobeck2384 29 күн бұрын

Yes, I wear gloves when running this because of that vibration !

@CraigularjJoeWoodworks 2 жыл бұрын

I have a quik-lok Milwaukee, vibrates but has more power than you can shake a stick at. I mow down 12 inch+ grass with it in a back field. I literally can slow it down if I try

@EricGrayEricLeePhotos 2 жыл бұрын

I have that trimmer and feel the exact same way as you. I love love love the trigger! The vibration is a bit much but not a dealbreaker. I had 2 gas powered Stihl trimmers before it and sold them both.

@user-if4ft6pl2f Ай бұрын

If it’s tall and stringy. Cut mid way then at base.

@tgsgardenmaintenance4627 Ай бұрын

I recently bought the M18 brushcutter. It cuts ok, but the run time from two 8.o batteries is very disappointing! Will be fine for my smaller jobs, but will have to continue using my Husqvarna 535LK for anything substantial !

@jlustig83 2 жыл бұрын

Echo speed feed head fixes the vibration issues

@El_Diablo_LI 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip...I just got this trimmer 3 weeks ago with the HD promotion and hack that came with the rapid charger and 8 ah battery along with a 5 ah battery I returned. I like the instant response of the trigger and it seems real powerful, but the vibration is very noticeable and makes me worry it will get worse. I'm going to order that echo head to see if it improves. Quick question...do you know what echo part # head fits this trimmer?

@kajganamakedonska1846 2 жыл бұрын

Heyy

@DJ_PROMO_PR 2 жыл бұрын

Which Echo speed feed model? Any YT videos on how to replace it? I found some but it's the gas models.

@94SexyStang Жыл бұрын

Milwaukee makes the BEST trigger/reaction systems.....like running an F1 car.

@1x4x93 2 жыл бұрын

The Project Farm also pointed out the high vibration rate on the Milwaukee. It had the highest of the group.

@l00tur 2 жыл бұрын

Yup I was gonna mention this, it’s basically a gas trimmer in that regard

@thegrossmansmx 2 жыл бұрын

This is the updated model with the motor on the end. Project farm tested the old model with the motor at the handle

@goldieburger6823 Жыл бұрын

Just got one today from the market of fleas for 80 beans, BRAND NEW but not in a box.. I didn't need the box anyways lol.. going left to right kinda throws the grass alil better it seems.. I loosen my handle alil and slid it down. Leaving it loose alil let's me rotate for edges.. took my guard off to help with vibration (not recommended.. lol) used see-through gorilla tape on the "safety" switch.. (also not recommended.. lol) Can't wait to get the pole saw attachment

@thegrossmansmx 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone complaining about vibration on any head motor mounted string strimmer get a rubber damper and fix it to the shaft before the first handle. It'll help dampen them before they get to your hands

@stevennihipali3607 2 жыл бұрын

I'm watching you cut, now on all fairness, if you cut top - down, and cut it down, does it still bind up? My ryobi, 18V, I have to cut top- down and then cut down. I don't think I've ever tried to really just cut tall grass

@bsmooth5487 11 ай бұрын

For the last 18 months I've not let the lawn crew edge or use a weed eater in my back yard. kzfaq.infoUgkx_rBCFuDW1zD6blTGhLkvAkxU657uR_lG I didn't like the fact that they just kept cutting the edge of the lawn further and further from the rock lining the flower beds and leaving bare ground. And the grass was trimmed or scalped several feet around trees, etc. It was a constant battle with them so I told them to just mow and no trimming. I have Zoysia grass so it grows pretty slow. Obviously after a while it could use some trimming. I'm in my 80's so I can't do much of it myself.Finally I decided that if I could find a lightweight battery powered trimmer I might be able to do some light trimming. I decided to buy the LST201 20V trimmer. And it works great for my needs. I have back yard with about 150' of flower beds and several trees to be trimmed. I can lightly trim the whole yard with a single charge! The grass I trimmed was only a few inches high but the trimmer was more powerful than I expected.

@madjackgamingandfitness498 Жыл бұрын

Maybe get your warranty in if this was not a problem at purchase. Not an overall problem solver but it’s something. Good review, a lot of the cons sound like the same issues I’ve had on multiple gas trimmers anyway.

@cKone-po9mi Жыл бұрын

Just bought this trimmer today and noticed the head is different. Maybe that'll help with the vibrations.

@atrainace114 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid thanks for all the info and all you do. I have been looking at getting a battery string trimmer for a while. As for the vibration, is it because of the motor is on the head? Does the 15"-17" flexvolt that you tested recently have less vibration? If so do you think it's because the motor is not on the head. As I have both dewalt and milwaukee batteries I am on the fence. The trigger is a non issue for me because I dont feather a string trimmer trigger when I use it. Thanks for the advice keep up the good work.

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

The Dewalt FV 1-year update video will be live in a few minutes. The Dewalt is butter smooth, but also has its issues. There is no perfect string trimmer.

@tenaciousjponyboy6332 2 ай бұрын

Mine completely stopped running. It ain’t my battery I have plenty of them and use my other tools with them. Gonna check if motor bad I guess.

@WorkshopAddict 2 ай бұрын

Check if the head can spin freely. Grass can get in there and cause some drag and the brushless motor won't start.

@InChristAloneForever 9 ай бұрын

Question: Why not the 2825-20ST FUEL string trimmer? I just checked in our tool store - it has a variable speed throttle too that seems just as responsive as the 2828, but more powerful yet.

@dougfoley6175 2 ай бұрын

How about doing a video on changing the bumper head on that model.

@alan-dr8uo 9 ай бұрын

Battry trimmers are great

@jncn1490 2 жыл бұрын

Solid review

@KevinPGA 2 жыл бұрын

I’m considering this trimmer along with the Echo and Toro. The only thing that scares me is there are so many reviews saying it over heats and burns up the batteries. I wonder if that was because of the discontinued 9 ah battery that used to come with it?

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

I would never use a 5Ah with this tool. I consider it to be a heavy duty tool and would use a 6 or an 8. As you can see, it does well with normal grass trimming. It is not meant for extreme farm type use or ditchbanks. That is where I believe people get into trouble.

@KevinPGA 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict got it, thank you. I have a small property. That should be perfect, plus it’s a great way to get started with a couple m18 tools. Thank you!

@KevinPGA 2 жыл бұрын

@@dougr3715 Thank you Doug!

@justsayin7937 3 ай бұрын

Not noticing any issues with vibration, in fact it's much less than my previous gas powered weed eater. I'm away from home for 2 weeks at a time so don't get to mow as much as needed. Sometimes weeds get tall after a rain and have used this thing to cut dense areas of about 3' tall weeds. No problems at all.

@ProdByShryne 2 ай бұрын

How do you change the trimmer head on this one!?

@SONJAGRIFFITHTAYLOR Жыл бұрын

My cousin purchased for me, I don’t have the booklet. I know how to wind the twin, my big issue is that I get about 2 feet & one side the line completely disappears, I have to take cap off to get line back through. Does this have an automatic feed? What is going on? I’m so frustrated

@jojet92 8 ай бұрын

The motor inside the body near battery or on gear case?

@israelvibrations100 Жыл бұрын

May I suggest something every single weed wacker I've ever used the matter what brand I have always changed the weed wacker head and I installed what's called pivotrim it is 4 times more efficient than a standard weedwacker head plus it will absolutely remove 90% of any vibration because of his slamming and whacking against objects the pivotrim absorbs that from the shock so in return it last forever I can literally do three or four yards on a different houses I still have all the line so try it and let me know what happens I am seriously thinking of buying another weed wacker from the Walking just because of the ease of use and for my dad who has a very bad back and hates pulling the string and hurts his shoulder

@4thewinak 2 жыл бұрын

I find this trimmer to be a bit under powered. My goto is still the flexvolt trimmer. It has the best overall balance between power and trigger response. That and the makita 36v. Both have less vibrations.

@austinr09 2 жыл бұрын

This isn’t the fuel version. The fuel version smokes the flex volt and makita

@4thewinak 2 жыл бұрын

@@austinr09 not even close. Fuel version over heats in about 10 mins or less. Even when it is working it has no where near the power of the flexvolt or 36v makita

@94SexyStang Жыл бұрын

flex is trendy garbage

@ballyscanlon Жыл бұрын

Hi. Thanks for the review. Could you tell me what 'steel' string you are using, that you mentioned in the video? Thanks

@WorkshopAddict Жыл бұрын

Stihl Brand String Trimmer Line www.stihlusa.com/products/trimmers-and-brushcutters/trimmer-line/quietline/

@DJ_PROMO_PR 2 жыл бұрын

Can I install an Echo Speed Head on this model? Is there an "upgraded" Easy Load trimmer head from Milwaukee?

@D_Spear Жыл бұрын

I’ve found this unit to have a huge design flaw, as it spins on the opposite direction of most trimmers, as a result the grass clippings get thrown at you since it spins counter clock wise. The clippings go to the left vs a regular trimmer that gets thrown to the right

@Truckn_G Жыл бұрын

I've never seen a trimmer that ran clockwise. Everything I've ever used has went counterclockwise.

@D_Spear Жыл бұрын

@@Truckn_G yeah after doing some research it’s pretty standard to go counter clockwise, my black and decker went clockwise and that thing was a cheapy. I just gotta relearn how to weed whip loo

@InChristAloneForever 9 ай бұрын

Get the Makita that does either with the press of a button!

@AARON-69 Жыл бұрын

I stick 2 the makita 36v than thanks

@EverywhereisHE 2 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to put a bush blade on it? I have not been able to find that option yet. Ecco 58 volt has been the only one that I have found with that option.

@nathanielrobbe Жыл бұрын

Can the guard be removed?

@kevins4609 2 жыл бұрын

You need to upgrade the string. I believe it can hold a .95 use rotary orange diamond cut. You won't have any of the same issues with any tall grass wrapping around it. It obliterates tall grass also turn the metal piece around so you get a larger cutting swath

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

I have stihl .095 in it. As I said, long stringy grass is its only issue.

@ericybarra4975 Жыл бұрын

What’s the difference between the 2828-21 grass trimmer

@WorkshopAddict Жыл бұрын

That is this string trimmer, but it includes one battery and a charger. -20 is bare tool, -21 includes one battery and a charger, -22 is two batteries and a charger.

@mariop5191 2 ай бұрын

does your husband have the same issues with the vibration?

@scottelia8723 2 жыл бұрын

This isn’t the fuel model? Could you do a review on the fuel model as well and compare the two

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fbeAq5yirMCyoJ8.html

@AereForst 3 ай бұрын

How do you get it to feed as the line gets used and becomes shorter? I haven’t figured that out yet. What steel line do you use?

@rgus157 Ай бұрын

Probably Stihl brand

@binnsbrian 2 жыл бұрын

Have you used it with a 3amh battery? What would should I expect with that?

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

Never. IMHO, it will heat that battery up very quickly and you will have a very short runtime. As I suggested in the video, a 6 or 8 would be my choice for this unit, nothing less.

@binnsbrian 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict Thank you.

@kalystacabrera4368 Жыл бұрын

Its a good weed eater and strong to

@freeaolcd 2 жыл бұрын

At the end of the video when you were trimming the grass along the building and it kept clogging the head, trim in the other direction.

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

Out of habit, I always trim so the grass would be thrown away from the building/landscaping. So, if I trimmed the other way, the grass would be pushed into the building and it would seem to wrap up easier? Is that not the case?

@freeaolcd 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict There's just something about that angle of attack that seems off. I guess the other way I would try it is the same direction, with the trimmer perpendicular to the building and slowly walk backwards. You'd have more control but the grass would kick into your legs, and who knows, maybe still clog up :/

@PowerScissor 2 жыл бұрын

Milwaukee trimmer spins the opposite direction of every trimmer I've ever owned. It feels so backwards. Being a brushless motor, they should have made it easy to reverse directions, that way you can shoot the grass any direction that makes sense for the scenario.

@tonyst.pierre7132 Жыл бұрын

Does it sound like a ratchet when you turn the head on it?

@fiaao546 2 жыл бұрын

Vibrations are still very present with the newer fuel version, unfortunately

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

That is sad to hear.

@twizer69 Жыл бұрын

Mine feels pretty heavy tbh

@FertileMyrtleTurtle 2 жыл бұрын

Get the 17” flexvolt I’m glad I did. Once you go black and yellow you never go back 😉

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

I have it and will put up my one year review on that. I dispise the safety on that model.

@FertileMyrtleTurtle 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict true lol I refilled with .9 trimmer line and now I squint in my glasses for safety

@anthonymacneil2279 11 ай бұрын

Milwaukee is leaps and bounds better than Dewalt. I had two Dewalt crap out, issue motor circuit board. They were both looked after and not abused. Stay away. As for vibration its not an issue with me and never noticed. I have a Quick Lok Milwaukee and never no issues cutting foot long hay. The head is designed not to get grass wrapped around, not like on your model with motor on head.

@DJkim1205 Жыл бұрын

why mine is not working after 10-15 mins but just hiccup…. battery still full…. i dont understand…

@WorkshopAddict Жыл бұрын

Is the head full of grass? If there is any tension on the head the motor won't start. But it is also odd to have used it for 10 mins and be at a full battery.

@johnbailey9682 2 жыл бұрын

I really like this trimmer big Dow side I use the 12.0 battery. I use to use it everyday doing 34 yards everyday. The batteries did not even last a year . Very high price for the batteries at $250 to $300 bucks each I had 13 of them . For just a homeowner they would be great . Keep in mind milwaukee does not stand behind there battery warranty that’s a big lie especially when the battery does not last a year .

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

This trimmer is no fun and out of balance with the 12Ah

@johnbailey9682 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict I don’t mind the extra weight because i was doing a lot of yards I did put the speed feed head on them

@johnbailey9682 2 жыл бұрын

@Steve Sherman yea there are buys but not often or when you really need them . I finally retired so it’s not a big deal any more . I still think the gas tools are not dead by far .

@ex8280 Жыл бұрын

all 13 died within a year?

@jimmiemacd3603 Жыл бұрын

I’ve had my stihl fs-90 weed eater for 15 years. You think this will last thst long?

@WorkshopAddict Жыл бұрын

Never.

@jimmiemacd3603 Жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict lol I like your honesty. How long realistically do you think this thing would last?

@WorkshopAddict Жыл бұрын

@Jimmie MacD Home use, 4 to 5 years on average. Some will get more, some will get less. This is like a electric vehicle, it is a piece of technology. In 5 years, there will have been 2 better models made and possibly a battery change. I do not think battery tools will be run by lithium oin in 10 years. 10 years is a long time for technology advancements.

@jimmiemacd3603 Жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict good point, think I’ll just stick with my stihl. The first part of its life spent was all commercially with it retiring to just my residence. Hasn’t let me down yet.

@scuba6797 Жыл бұрын

I've got arm injuries, surpised my gas trimmer has less vibration. I wanted to switch but that vibration is bad design.

@Factoryseconds123 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully Milwaukee figures out how to make 18v compete with all the other platforms in power. There's been a theme this year in tool reviews: Milwaukee M18 is good, but outgunned usually by Flexvolt, flex, and even Makita xgt.

@scottelia8723 2 жыл бұрын

Well all those other systems are more voltages so I hope they are more powerful. Amazing where Milwaukee has come with their tools and the power

@austinr09 2 жыл бұрын

The fuel version of this trimmer is more powerful than any of those.

@colt0124 29 күн бұрын

Why home owners still have grass all the way up against there house? Such a waste of time!

@slaunchs Жыл бұрын

Vibrations can't be worse then a gas trimmer.

@jeremygood6265 2 жыл бұрын

What no one ever mentions, is if you take off the guard and run the string only slightly longer than the guard allows, the unit will overload after a couple of mins and cut out repeatedly. IMO this is a poor design. My makita doesn't do this, but it doesn't have near the grunt. I hate the guards haven't used them in years and they interfere with everything around tree wires and things like that. It is a thermal component because once it does it it won't even turn back on without cutting out. All my gas ones and my one 36V makita electric do not have this issue. I'm returning, my second version of this, again. I gave them a year to fix their over sensitive electronics but I guess it will be a design issue forever. Maybe i'll try again in 5 years..but otherwise love the torque!

@Krampus5150 2 жыл бұрын

Totally vibration. Huge shaft.

@TheGameBoy56 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t know if it has enough power to try this But I take guard off run line a bit longer see if that help The problem with string trimmers they need to make power from 9,000 to 5,000 rpm For brush less motor it’s haveing difficulty having a wide power band I feel a Eltric motor ment for a set speed and that’s it That’s why lawn mower leaf blower that stay at one rpm and never have to make power any were else are doing well If u want a wide power band u can’t put a big load on it Ur option is to put a huge brush motor make to heavy Or make performance brush less motor and they u have rpm but dosnt have the ballz because it’s still small motor lol

@dbo11tango Жыл бұрын

Mine is one month out of warranty (13months old) and the inner shaft of the head stripped out! Pretty unsatisfied with the longevity for the price!!!

@KasparJames Жыл бұрын

3yr is the warranty time

@dbo11tango Жыл бұрын

@Kaspar James Found that out but took them 4 MONTH'S to decide they were just going to replace it!

@loucifer4205 2 жыл бұрын

Surprised your getting vibration with motor on the head

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

Comon issue with this trimmer.

@loucifer4205 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict Ever check the line is the same length on both sides, I have the 20v dewalt and the only time I get noticeable vibration is when the line is uneven

@iamcarrot1 Ай бұрын

Two trimmers and four heads. Can't use any of them. The heads tangle up inside. Don't even get two minutes out of them. They are junk.

@45NUTS_PART_DEUX 2 жыл бұрын

Still looks to heavy for my 82 year old mother

@WorkshopAddict 2 жыл бұрын

But is it too heavy for you to use on her yard?

@45NUTS_PART_DEUX 2 жыл бұрын

@@WorkshopAddict a row of trees about 300 feet long and about 3 acres total area to cover of various trimming points and does it now with a donated Dewalt 20 V trimmer

@WalterMelons 2 жыл бұрын

“Make sure to wear gloves” proceeds to not wear gloves in any demonstrations. Lol

@chaitern6075 Жыл бұрын

Obviously its not going to compare to a gas powered......

@everythingvideos24 Жыл бұрын

Better off with a gas weed eater. I know I'll never go electric.

@brendanderiso7304 2 жыл бұрын

Got this about a year ago. Works great when it works. Thing over heats after about 30 minutes of working with it. I’m a Milwaukee guy sucks to see they’d put out such a crappy design.

@aronp713 2 жыл бұрын

I love to hear ppls experience , kinda iffy about it now , I have all gas powered and wanted to give this a try . When it’s a new item ppl have good things to say however glad you had a whole year to experience it. If you bought any other battery trimmer would you buy this again or try another brand ?

@brendanderiso7304 2 жыл бұрын

@@aronp713 I think I would have to see a significant design change to the cooling system in order to buy this again. I’ll probably keep going gas until that happens.

@thatonegirlazu9847 2 жыл бұрын

I just returned mine. Battery string trimmer aren’t worth it right now. Stick to gas 👍🏼

@ckone671 Жыл бұрын

Tried all the Milwaukee string trimmers, and hate them for their vibration! They cut well, but your arm health should be worth more then these stupid things. poorly designed when it comes to vibration. Ego, Dewalt, Toro, and Echo so far light years better then the Milwaukee's.

@94SexyStang Жыл бұрын

All those brands are JUNK......Milwaukee is the best, period.

@ckone671 Жыл бұрын

@@94SexyStang LOOOOL!!!!! May i ask what your background is? I do this for a living, curious where u get your info from?

@iamcarrot1 Ай бұрын

@@94SexyStangI have two trimmers and four heads. They are junk. Tangle up inside all the time. Can't even use them.