Elo Veltix You're very welcome ^_^ glad I can help

+Elo Veltix Damn good isn't he?!! Oh, and so are his vids and ALL info..Brilliant! Glad I don't encounter him as the enemy!

+Elo Veltix Yeah you're right. God I love this guy. !

Vu Nguyen Oh yeah :) even cruisers can bounce BB AP if well angled

Maddog3060 pepsicola*

+Maddog3060 I've bounced shots off my Yorck's bow before (only about 15 mm up there). The angling works astounding wonders for some ships.

USMC1941 :D yay!

Zerokiller1628 It's always annoying to see "realistic" games favor silly tactics. Not every aspect of naval warfare has to be modelled realistically, but when you actually lose by applying actual tactical principles the game loses any claims to realism. We can see in this video that applying WW1-style fighting columns, all guns bearing on the enemy, would fail in this game, a sad conclusion.

Zerokiller1628 Crossing the T is only beneficial when you have multiple ships in a firing line. In this way, you have multiple full batteries of guns facing the first ship of an opponent's line of battle. In single ship engagements, mobility and target aspect ratio are more important.Take for example the naval engagement of Taffy 3. The American destroyers engaged the Japanese warships singly and they used their superior maneuverability to survive longer than they had any rights to be. The Japanese ships were disorganized and could not concentrate their firepower to overwhelm one single target. This was one reason why that battle was such a lopsided victory for the outmatched American destroyers. The American captains knew how to fight on their own, and Japanese tactics were to fight as a group in line of battle.So unless you form up with several players on your team into a battle like, Crossing the T isn't that important in single ship engagements.

Yes, but you still have more guns on the target. Also, there is plunging fire to take in. You did state that rather well, though.

Thank you! You are correct that you will have more guns on target, I'd say crossing the T is situational. It has it's benefits, and also it's shortcomings, as iChase demonstrated.

Zerokiller1628 well the dispersion actually makes crossing the T a bad tactic as it makes you get hit more as the dispersion is more to the sides than the forward-back

Partycommissar :D glad you enjoyed that party_commissar :D

Like in WoT, you should take less damage against HE by angling.

+Viktor HE has nothing to do with angling, however if u r angled, u can be harder to hit compared to clear angles like going right/left/closer/away.

Navy Günter :) I'm glad you had a chance to see it ^^ was indeed a fantastic battle

oseansoldier Eventually they'll fix HE, so then this will be really important :D

iChaseGaming I am very much looking forward to that patch. And when they fix carriers! Really want to give them another shot.

koen bezemer :D that's pretty cool

Tigerwilson88 You're very welcome, glad I could help :)

Richard B Lemme know if it helps ^^

Skatesy glad to help :D

Walter Rider XD anytime

If worst came to worst, Chase could have simply hugged the border to maintain his angle. I don't think the engine/steering debuff was in effect when this video was made.

Caldwell Kelley Anytime ^_^ always happy to help

Cthabest5 Thank you ^_^ stay tuned for more videos

PUTLEADINURHEAD Cheers :D

phil Jt Plunging Fire is what you should be shooting for not the armor belt. Putting rounds in the decks is how you sink a ship.

Kyle Mackay Battleships could rarely hit a moving target at the ranges it became a real threat. If Wargaming goes this direction with the game in the interest of improving gameplay, that's something else entirely.

Einsig except for when, you know.. plunging fire from the KM Bismarck penetrated the deck armour and one-hit sunk the HMS Hood on May 24th, 1941. or when divebombers attacked warships with armor penetrating bombs from straight above them... but yeah, plunging fire was only a fantasy...

One, Bismarck could not penetrate the deck armor of Hood at the ranges they engaged (14-18 kilometers). German guns used lighter weight, higher velocity shells which were naturally worse at penetrating deck armor, and Hood had sufficient deck armor to deflect them at that range. This is based on data the Germans themselves recorded on the performance of their guns. Hood was far more likely to have been blown up by a fire that managed to work its way into the magazine, and it is well known that there was a fire burning on Hood for a significant time that was most likely started by Prinz Eugen, not Bismarck. Two, dive bombers have absolutely nothing to do with naval guns, and bringing them up is just a red herring.

Einsig I beg to differ. In the case of Hood, most of its upgraded armor was waiting for it back at the ship yard when it came in for its overhaul. The ship's condition was generally desperate and badly in need of attention. Based on many interviews of Ted Briggs which are readily available on KZfaq, the fire caused by Prince Eugen and the fateful shot that detonated the aft magazine were two separate occurrences. If you're not convinced, look to the actions of the people who were in command of the boat, who were in a better position to know the abilities and deficiencies of their own boat more than you or I. Admiral Holland was deliberately closing the distance with Bismarck to cut down on plunging fire because he knew the deck armor could not withstand the shells from Bismarck. If, as you say the armor of his ship would withstand the shells from Bismarck, and that plunging fire was a myth, then why get so close?To answer the OP question, and I'm going to use American battleships as examples, it depends on the ship. Earlier ship's armor was optimized for short range engagements and flatter trajectory shells. As ranging and gun technology progressed and engagement distances became more distant, the element of plunging fire became more of an issue. Some Wikipedia entries of American battleships show you armor schemes. The later battleships show increasing angling against plunging fire.As a general rule, however since I don't know how the game calculates armor schemes, the flatter the trajectory, the increased likelihood your armor will bounce it. The more vertical the trajectory, the more likelihood the shot will go through decks, superstructure, or turret roves which have less armor than hull sides and turret faces.

***** Seems like for now plunging fire isn't really working as intended...>.< this is more for belt armour

Ronnie Tage Skov RAMMMM :P

iChaseGaming Excellent idea! :D Thank you hehe On a side-note, these principles regarding angling armor will not work in long range gunnery duels would they? Other then presenting a smaller target for your opponents (which is a good thing) your side-armor doesn't handle plunging fire .. maneuvering to engage targets incoming fire with your armor is only for medium to short range fights correct?

TheYollowBarron Glad I can help ^_^

Tom Godwin Did you check your ping? Servers can always screw up u know (eg. 1106) ping which could greatly mess up your timing. Maybe you were just unlucky at that time.

My ping was a bit high, 80-100 through the game on average higher if it spiked. But nowhere near the 1000 mark.

Tom Godwin It's a bug, I ran into it too today, just restart the game :)

iChaseGaming Thank you kindly good sir.

Javaman92 It is possible but since most combat tends to be done at a shorter range where the belt takes the majority of the hits (max range vs. effective range) you won't see too many deck hits :P

rabooey :P was just trying to explain in more detail

+ComputersAreRealCool It's more of an offensive tactic in my experience. Yes, you lose some of your guns. But you also gain a lot of bounces, which make approaching to brawl range significantly easier. This works amazing in most cruisers, as if you can get close enough, you can just torpedo the target instead. It will hurt them badly no matter what angle they're at. Battleships make good use of it, too. In one-on-one battleship duels, the battleship with the better angling tends to win. If one unloads shots into the angled armor, they have a massive cooldown, allowing the opposing BB to swing around and bring the rest of their cannons to bare. Lastly, even if you're down most of your guns, if you're at a good angle and they're at a bad angle, you'll be able to score Citadels and high damage areas a lot easier than they can damage you.

The best offense is a good defense. As you wither down opponents with your guns on their exposed areas, their shells become less effective against your angling. If you need extra firepower, wait until they've fired their guns to turn your ship in order to get rear guns to line up. Fire, and re-angle.

Dartharion HE will eventually be fixed, so AP will eventually be very important again

+ChineseCheese Sadly with the range compression in the game, plunging fire almost doesn't exist for BBs..

Bas Groenewegen Thank you ^_^

Riv deflects low caliber shot and sometimes even the medium one, I'm not sure if it's going to bounce deflects on 152mm of cleveland's or155mm of mogami's but it surely bounce deflect the destroyers shells

Riv same ideas, but can only block really small guns :P not much use against larger guns. DD is about stealth not armour

TheSelinski :D giving away all the secrets :P

Kyle Mackay with BB ridiculously low rate of fire? I don't think so HE totally effective against low armored target but with heavily armored target like battleships the damage would be just too low, even the fire won't do anything if it occurred. Plus battleships at that tier mostly would take fire prevention setup and I'm 99% sure there won't be any of the battleship get pyromaniac captain skill, so the chance of chase burnt to death by the fire of 3 battleships if they decided to go full HE is totally low.

Arleran yea but the 1-3k constant that HE does with 1 SHELL will kill you very quickly

only if the one shoot you is cruiser or USN DD. He was talking about 3 BB in the videos there.

Kyle Mackay HE will most likely be fixed :) so armour will then become useful. So it'll be relevant soon

Col MacHopper the superstructure isn't going to result in too much damage, as for HE, it'll get adjusted. It's too OP right now

Tim Frey They did, but I am still bouncing shells :P still applicable :)

Yifan Wang Eventually they'll fix HE, so this will be more relevant then :P

Unfortunately, due to World of Warships compressed ranges, plunging fire isn't really in effect...sooo not really

Kyle Timmons Some say that plunging fire isn't really working right now, so it's still mostly belt armour for now

sam cheng If they're spamming HE just curse as they start multiple fires and piss your self laughing when you destroy them in a single AP barrage then realise the repair module won't be ready in time before the fires kill you.

Armour angling can be negated somewhat by HE, as long as the HE has enough penetration to go through the raw armour thickness. So for example 152mm can penetrate armour below 25mm. So if armour is 25mm thick, 152mm shells won't be able to penetrate that armour. However, if 152mm HE gets IFHE then it goes up by 30% at the cost of some fire chance. This means that 152mm with IFHE has 33mm of penetration, this will allow it to penetrate 32mm of armour. Also firing AP at the superstructure can work too :D

Thank you that is helpful. Nice to see DJ( my hubby) isn't wrong on everything.

book5ter No, but it sure chewed those shells coming at it.

Sonny Knutson They removed it in the last patch...said the information wasn't complete enough >.

In a BB? Use AP and citadel them :) in a CA do the same, in a DD, torps and run ^^

angelfreshey They removed it citing that armour is too complex to put in simple numbers

k thx for telling me

Depends. Can prevent a citadel. But seriously. Don't let her hit her, you'll die

It improves your chances of living longer.

tamenga88 Interesting. I understand that the Hood was likely steaming towards Bismarck as fast as possible to avoid the plunging fire. (I believe its deck armour was weaker as it came from an era wen ranges were shorter and thus plunging fire less of a risk) I feel this would be an interesting game mechanic. Do you think this is in fact replicated in game?

be cool if they could manage it. Night action. That a great idea! lol .... fog of war fun ... "ships passing in the night" ... lol star shells. A lot of cool mechanics and tactics could be involved. Gets my vote.

Leonardo Franzin Ribeiro Shoot destroyers and cruisers with guns, torp anything slow and fat. Trouble with the US destroyers is they have tiny, pathetic torpedo's. The guns are pretty decent though, so really, just go around and focus on taking out enemy destroyers and lightly armoured cruisers. If you see a battleship or slow heavy cruiser going somewhere they can't escape torps (like a channel), THEN go for a rush in and torp, but make sure you have smoke ready.

WirlWind ok i use to always try to ambush for slow bbs and i usually die with that

Leonardo Franzin Ribeiro You may want to give the Japanese destroyers a try, since they're far better at ambushing than the Murican's. The Sims is a great little destroyer killer with the guns it has, you can do laps around other destroyers (since your guns turn so fast, most dont!) and totally wreck them. Now a Jap DD (T5 Minekaze) for example, has worse guns. but torps with 10km range (6km at start, but almost 70 knots!) and a 5.9km spotted range. You can literally spend half the game circling out of their spotting range and firing torps off at them (they reload fast too). I spent about 15 minutes and got 2 kills without ever being spotted a few days ago.

WirlWind i tried it and it is coll the thing is i bought the sims so i wanna get good at it you know

+david collings It's a lot harder to get citadels now, the citadel spots are the same but now they require the shells to actually penetrate into the citadels for it to count (so citadel armour plays a much bigger role now). Back when this video was made, shots hitting the top of a citadel would register the hit even if it didn't go in fully. Still if u aim correctly you should still see reasonably consistent citadel hits.

+iChaseGaming yeah thanks as I said I am at the Kongo and only get about 1 citadel per game but mostly I got thrown into tier 7 games. Do u mind me asking how long did I it take for you to get good at the game what tier were u at when it clicked and u became awesome

+david collings what is your in-game name and server you play on?

+Pablo Schoots Vhexdavester123 and EU why?

david collings I just wanted to look up your stats.

koen bezemer the Yamato has poorer pen than an Iowa, not a huge acomplishment

I know but still if i didnt angle they would have gone straight through me.

koen bezemer Angling will deflect, if you didn't it probably woulda citadeled you. HE will be fixed so armour angling will play a bigger role

You scroll forward with the scroll wheel on the mouse

Nitroustejas Thank you :)

if you have anymore questions, you can ask them here and ill try to help

Nitroustejas Hello I tried what you mentioned and while it works it wasn't exactly what I was asking about, usually when I wish to zoom I hit shift and it brings a view like am looking through an optic, in this video it looks very different without those curved edges or that measurement line in the center I get. How to I make it look like that??

You scroll your mouse a little, then it zooms in on one of the turrets, you scroll more and it goes into scope mode. sorry

TheDutchRanger HE will eventually be fixed, so this will be relevant. But still important vs BBs

Chee Wai Lee Not necessarily. It has been there for a while, however it was a rare occurrence given how armor was next to useless. It only became more apparent since they changed the effectiveness of armor which actually meant Battleships could finally do what they were meant to do.

Scoom-kun Ah cool, thanks! Guess I'm going to have to adjust my old play style for BBs as I figure this out.

Scoom-kun ...And then they buffed HE shells through the Stratosphere, making all of this irrelevant immediately. Now a Cruiser just loads HE, hits any Battleship for 5000 to 10,000+ damage per salvo, and starts fires that automatically burn for 20,000 damage with no way to stop them.

Personally I don't think its the HE shells that's the problem but rather the one time then dead repair button. They really need to come up with a better repair system because the current one is just bad. After you've used it then get set on fire or flooded a second later you might as well be dead already.

Scoom-kun Very true - the automatic Ultra-Death fires are seriously not cool. But seriously - it's incredibly frustrating to be in a Battleship, get spotted by ONE CRUISER, and then... 3000, 5000, 4000, 2500, 3500, 3000... All in the span of one reload. Even single shells of Destroyer-caliber HE are good for 1000+ damage against any Battleship, regardless of armor, no matter where on the ship they hit. Fires may be worse, but this is just idiotic.

ANTIDAD :P lots of people already angling in game lol...made life much harder lol

cole sweet Move away to change his angle or fire HE - you'll do some damage and start a fire insted of bouncing. Personally if i'm in a battleship and i need to deal with another battleship but he's stubbornly angling, i'll fire HE at him. Still most battleships have to show their side to fire all guns.

Armor does not affect damage from high explosive shells. Additionally/alternatively, one could attack the opponent's superstructure.

Panter If you really want to know, there are a couple of ways: Cheapest/easiest -> go to: worldofwarships.com/ and register, they'll eventually open more beta slots (worst case - [Rumor] it'll go to open beta later this year) Most expensive way -> go to worldofwarships.com/ and buy a pre-order pack Otherwise wait for a game key giveaway on the major KZfaqrs/Streamers channels

Also I have the de each to forget my class I usually end up in my Omaha broadside on broadside with a New York

Kaloyan Radkov well they'll eventually fix HE

well if you play DD, you mostly shoot HE and torps :) although you can use AP when targets are full broadside and at closer ranges, then your AP will shred superstructure and upper belt for lots of pen damage :)

damnit!! ENGINEER!!! BOLT MORE ARMOUR!!!!

Jim Zong lol, already more people angling today >.