Re-watched this after 2 years, I miss this 'historical' type of videos.

no offense but the captain of this ship deserves a medal. yeah sure he was a Nazi but come on making sure the crews of sunken ships were in life boats and even sent distressed signals on their behalf is a very honorable thing to do.

my first ship model ever.

Graf Spee aka Scharnhorst on a diet.

"Slap the shit out of his citadel," is now my favorite Jingles quote. Thank you sir.

I can't say why, but listening to The Mighty Jingles talk history makes it that much more enjoyable. I cannot say if it's the fact his British, or the tone of his voice, but personally I can't seem to get enough of these types of his videos. Thanks for taking the time to give the history of the ships and everything else... a Canadian fan!

What a waste of a nice ship and a good captain. But I guess that is what most of WWII can be classified as in the end....

Langsdorff was a true gentleman. Admired by the men he captured, and no one was killed on the ships he sank! An ex Brit. MN seamen.

I love it when you do a video like this: reviewing a ship (or tank or aircraft) from a historical perspective as well as evaluating it in-game.

She doesn't play like a cruiser at all which is why she feels so good to me. I have 53% win rate in world of warships with close to 3000 games. But with nearly 150 battles in the graf spee I have a 65% win rate in her. As a battleship player her accuracy seems fantastic to me. Your right your land about 2 shells at 16km but that's a 33% hit rate. Her torp angles are fantastic probably around 150 degrees per side. She can fire forward with just a slight turn then turn back and launch the other side or continue to close in to say 3-4 km from a battleship and as it frantically turns to avoid the first torps you turn out and fire the second batch at point blank from your ass. Angled she can tank T5 and T6 battleships and do unstoppable torpedo runs. The secondaries do surprise me the range sucks so I would never do a secondary build but I end up setting a lot of fires per game which means I spend a lot of time under 4 km to enemy ships. Just got kraken on it this afternoon. I find the ship to be a cash register 3 games and ill add a million credits to my account. The hydro I ran for 50 games or so but in the end I traded that in for defensive fire. I can add vigilance to the captain with my last 3 points but even with out it I fell very safe from torps just don't chase DDs. It was carriers that were punishing me before but with 2 fighters that last 6 mins and with defensive fire and focus firing I am able to defend myself form air planes better then in most ships. Obviously were not talking 700 + damage a second I get from my tricked out north Carolina's AA but good enough to knock 10-15 planes out of the sky which often results in them moving to easier targets. I had a clan flip out on me last night in a game the carrier freaked when his torp group was entirely shot down and scored no hits he swore like crazy at me then his bb buddy came at me and found out how dangerous this ship is at close ranges which made him even more upset when I sank him. And it was even sweeter this game since the first savo of my game I fired at range at a Omaha and she sunk instantly from full health giving me devastating strike and first kill. I agree with you this ship isn't for every one of even most players as I see a lot of bad players in it but in the right hands I am finding it to be a fantastic seal clubber. And routinely see 80-100k on good games and 40k when I am up tiered to t8s.

My grandfather told me he could hear the cannons from the shore.

Hey, I live in Nebraska! Thanks for the shoutout Jingles, you've warmed a loyal minions heart. ❤️

I always love the little historical rundowns attached to these vids. Especially when they tell that even on the wrong side of a conflict, there are still gentlemen to be found.

Jingles you forget the Spee has a 20% fire chance with those guns. Very easy to set BBs on fire.

I would argue that, through my experience, Graf Spee is also incredibly maneuverable, especially when you equip the speed flag and the Steering Gears Mod. 2 upgrade. This means that, while you do have to expose an uncomfortable amount of Broadside to get a full salvo off, you don't have to expose it near as long as, say, a battleship. You can make Clevelands rage in chat by just juking around and making all their shots miss, and battleships, unless they're watching incredibly close and have their timing down to extreme precision, are almost never going to get more than one penetrating hit on you. With your hydro on, it also makes you almost immune to everything but carrier-launched torpedoes, which means that you're gonna be pissing-off destroyer captains by putting big hits into them (1 full penetration deals over 2k damage) while they try to get their torpedoes away, and you just dodge them.

Much respect to the captain of Graf Spee, who took the decision to save the crew, but cleared his honor Japanese style for not attempting a brave and potentially suicidal breakthrough the British.

I'd much rather have Jingles as my history teacher than my current teacher!

Your war story narratives are a joy sir. As a retired Coasty I recognize your obvious understanding of life at sea and the implications for the crew and their ship. More of these would be welcome. ETC USCG (Ret) sends.

The turrets are not that slow to turn. You can make a "full turn" while keeping the guns on target ... unlike battleships.

Jingles, you are very good at narrating these historical events. Please, keep it up!

Just Purchased The Graf Spee On Legends For The Console. Different Beast Due To Cpt Mechanics....Useful Information Here Non The Less. TY Jingles

I wish Jingles would bring back these historically narrated videos. I think everyone would collectively appreciate this format MORE than just gameplay.

Any non-WoW players here just for the history?

I love your history lessons, even when its not as much about the facts (knew them) than the delivery. Thanks.

nah, this ship is absolutely awesome and 65-100k dmg per battle is ok for it

i LOVE history with Jingles! I think me and MANY other people would be fine with a few sort history videos month! Common Jingles!

Jingles really needs to make a show call story time with Jingles because honestly that is my favorite part of these videos.

got mine with the G F mission and yeah she is a good ship once you have worked out how she behaves :) I feel she is best played in a division and lots of communication with your allies too . but she is a lot of fun :)

Jingles, panzerschiff was the german equivalent of the American large cruiser designation, of which Saint Luis is an example. In 1940 the Deutschland class was reclassified by Germany as heavy cruisers. This is why Graf spee is in the cruiser line instead of the battleship line like battlecruisers myogi, kongo, ishizuchi, and amagi. Heavily armed cruiser, not lightly armored battleship.

I played the Battle of the River Plate on Atlantic Fleet and she destroyed Exeter with her first salvo. I hate this monster of a ship.

I play mine like a heavy cruiser and it seems to work just fine.

I love this ship, of course I am also a big fan of reckless aggression :) Something to do with being a retired Marine I am sure :)

The historical lessons are always the best parts of your videos, Jingles.

At 18:28 he wasn't checking the torps for an angle, he was using it to adjust his main battery aim.

I recently started playing her, and I had come to the same conclusion as you did in the video before watching. Graf Spee is above all else a cruiser killer, and I learned the hard way that sticking around and supporting your allies is actually not the way to go in this ship.

Battlecruisers in the game are classed as Battleships, like the Kongo-class (later designated as fast battleships) and Amagi. It could also be argued that the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau are what the Germans would consider Battlecruisers; battleship armor, but lighter guns and higher speed, but the Germans retired the designation of Battle Cruisers after WW1, only the Royal Navy kept the designation in use for WW2.

Good to see actual history introduced. Good job jingles.

I understand why you condense the history of the ships in newer videos and talk about them at the start of the battle but I do miss this style of videos where it’s a short history of the ship followed by it in action

Myogi, amagi, ishizuchi, and the other battlecruisers are in battleship line. Deutschland class were reclassified as heavy cruisers by germany before WWII, so shes in the heavy cruiser line :)

Jingles; Nice linked video about the USS Massachusetts. I live about 35 miles from there and stop by yearly. Its a great site. In addition to BB 59, Battleship Cove contains DD-850 (Gearing Class) Joseph P. Kennedy, SS-298 (Balao Class) Lionfish and both Elco and Higgins PT boats. Usually there is some "old timers" around who served on one of the ships/boats and are glad to talk about the life. Next time you hit NY City, its about 2.5-3 hours away by car.

Thanks for taking the time for the history! That really gives meat to the content. Thanks for that.

I'd like to note that the hit on the oil purification plant was effectively mortal. The Graf Spee had giant diesel engines, which could not run on untreated oil. According to the reports I've read, the ship had less than 24 hours worth of useable fuel left.

By German classification, Graf Spee is a cruiser. German battlecruisers, unlike the British ones, were rather heavily armored. British CCs were about Speed and Firepower, sacrificing Armor. German CCs were about Armor and Speed, sacrificng gun caliber. Take the SMS Seydlitz, the pounding she took would have sunk the Graf Spee several times over. British CCs would likely be slotted into the BB tree, as there's precedence there, Kongo and Amagi were both battlecruisers.

Hmm Jingles you forgot the Kraken scene :O

One thing to note when comparing the Graf Spee to the Scharnhorst is that at longer range, the Scharnhorst retains penetration and velocity better due to its heavier shells. at 16 km, the Scharnhorst shells will beat the Graf Spee shells by 0.5 seconds. The Scharnhorst can do penetration damage at longer range more reliably than the Graf Spee can.

I love the concept of the graf spee, it's a tiny cruiser with battleship guns!

The story of the Graf Spee is my favourite war story of them all. Captain Langsdorf really showes that not all germans during WW2 were bloodthirsty Nazis. Thats why i bought this thing as soon as it launched and it just happens to fit my agressive playstyle pretty well. One of the strongest Points of it are it's torps that get underestimated so often by the enemy.

Naval Museum at Devonport, NZ has a size comparison of the shells fired by all ships in that engagement. Main gun shells from the other three ships all fit inside a main gun shell from the Graf Spee, with PLENTY of room to spare.

Jingles, with the new commander skills, you get the concealment skill putting the Graf's detectability at about 11km. That makes this much more survivable, because between reloads, your bloom will reduce to 11km again, and off the mini map.

Ty Jingles! I am pretty sure Langsdorf had no permission to scuttle her, he was supposed to break out. He shot himself because his officers talked him out of going down with her because his leadership was still required to secure the fate of his crew. Only after that did he symbolically "went down with her". Langsdorf also was no Nazi who made sure to follow the rules fo cruiser-war, as Jingles noted and was respected for this by the english too.

The Graf Spee being in the cruiser line makes sense because her displacement puts her there. WWII cruiser displacement requirements were between 6,000 - 19,000 tons. Technically though she falls into the Armored Cruiser ship type designation because of her capital caliber guns which was a primary requirement for ACRs. Granted Graf Spee would have been a WWII modern version of the older Pre Dreadnought era ACRs. She'd be a fun DD and cruiser hunter. I was hoping they'd split the cruiser and capital lines but WG said they didn't have any plans to do so. Maybe that'll change later.

Although it's got cruiser levels of armour this actually gives it an edge in certain circumstances. It means that BB calibre shells are more likely to simply over pen for 10% damage instead of a full pen damage roll. I've only played a handful of games in mine but during my first ever game I got just short of 100k damage and completely trolled the Scharnhorst on the enemy team eventually sinking him with torps. It's the definition of a glass cannon.

Jingles, the history of the ship was awesome, thanks for relating that history for us!

Jingles, please be my new history teacher!

Gotta love story time with Jingles. You should narrate a book. Seriously.

Hey Jingles, I read in a german book (written in the 70s, had it from a library, sadly don't remember the name)about the battle of the plate that the british intelligence redirected allied merchant ships to return and then leave this port in Uruguay every 23 hours so they could get the blockade in place before the graf spee could run for argentina or brazil. According to this book it was forbidden for a warship of an opposing faction to leave port if a merchant ship of the other faction had left port less than 24 hours ago. This explains also why the graf spee didn't leave in those 72 hours of maximum stay after minor repairs before the blockade was ready. The graf spee was trapped. The captain, who had strict orders to break through the blockade knew it was a suicide mission. Because he rated the life of his crewmembers higher than the order to sacrifice them in a hopeless battle, he gave order to scuttle his ship. But he also knew that he would be marked as a traitor so he decided to end his life himself so the crew couldn't be held accountable by the autorities. He sacrificed himself for the life of his crew. He was a hero to his men and held onto his humanity in this time of great inhumanity. Hope you see this comment and shed some light on the bravery of this man. He would deserve it. o7

I love your historical commentary! Thanks for your service, too!

I have the Graf Spee and it is one of my top 3 favs to play. Love this thing, its fun and its a citadel machine against Cruisers!

Coming to WOT console September 2 ! Sweeeet!!!

It makes good sense for this ship to be a cruiser. The Kongo is a battlecruiser that fits in the battleship line since it is battleship sized. Graf Spee is very much a cruiser size ship and it has a lot fewer guns than a battleship should, Ok the Myogi has only 6 guns, but they're bigger than the guns on the Graf Spee, and it's only a tier 4.

these videos show how large and powerful the Royal navy was compared to now, there was just endless cruisers, battlecruisers and battleships to call upon

I've found that the Graf Spee suits my playstyle very well, what you need to do in this ship is changing targets poke at everything that presents a good shot and then get out of there. And the guns are definitely accurate enough to nail dds at medium range

FYI according to "Hitler's lost battleship" (available on YT) the Spee's commander made a mistake by carrying night exercises in waters that could have potentially had regular traffic - thus a norvegian trade ship spotted the lights and called the Brits via telegraph.

I figure ships like Hood and Renown would be classified as battleships. Graf Spee mounts an 11-in gun battery, which is arguably very low caliber for a battleship. However, Hood and Renown were armed with 15-in guns, which are somewhat large caliber (same as the Bismarck's, and that's a _Tier 8_ battleship).

I just recently bought the Graf Spee and I'm having such a blast with it. Yes sure it's very squishy but just like British cruisers, the graf spee get a heal which helps alot keeping you afloat. And those guns... damn, they will administer such a paddlin' of epic proportions to any cruiser who foolishly give you even a slight broadside to shoot at especially if you can sneak up on them and get an alpha strike from close range. You can even do a respectable amount of sniping damage to battleships if you can get into a secure firing position, but mark Jingle's advice: Do not get into a direct pissing match with battleships, as you will get blown out of the water, very quickly

Mighty jingles would you ever consider making audio books of naval history. I'm sure I speak for many of your minions when I say history with jingles is the best videos on KZfaq.

New rule - Jingles gets one "eep" every time he gives the size of American guns in metric units: eep eep

Heres how I get a good deal of fighting without being blown up by BB's on the Graf Spee: At the beginning of a battle, I only travel at half speed, this allows me to decide where to go without being rushed. By traveling at half speed, I get to fire shots at enemy ships without being a major target. I only go full speed if there are a few ships left or if necessary.

Don't you just love Jingles story about History :)

Thanks for the review and history lesson Jingles. I have just got my Graf and am really looking forward to sinking lots of cruisers. Hopefully...

I would have thought the classification of battlecruisers would depend on their size. Graf Spee was big for a cruiser but nowhere near battleship displacement, whereas the Hood was significantly larger than the King George V (1939) battleships, and Renown displaced more than twice as much as Graf Spee, even before the former's refit. RN battlecruisers will surely be classified as battleships in-game.

6:30 That's actually a Russian destroyer, Admiral Ushakov, Sovremennyy-class.

hey jingles been watching ur videos for the past 2 years i really like your content like when you talk about the history of the ships its awesome love to hear back from you :)

I always went with the assumption that Battle/Large cruisers and panzerschiffe would be placed as side branches that connect the Cruiser and battleship lines, and a few special cases like the _Lexington_-class battlecruiser designs that connect the battleship and Carrier lines

Man i miss these long history type vids

ive been playing a couple of games in the spee after grinding all the exp for it and i must say it is actually quite a fun ship. the torps allow for a nice "surprise" in close quarters engagements and the guns are more than adequate for pummeling cruisers and dd's (with he loaded as its he is just pure lethal.. 20% fire chance) and when facing BB ive found i can bounce them at around 10km depending on the nation. but at close range unless they dont know about the torps you probably wont win a brawl. still in my opinion its a very fun ship that was worth the grind to get it for free.

Dueled a könig and Texas with the Graf spee and won tho 🤔🤣

How to describe the Graf Spee: Are you fighting Cruisers? Then it's a Battleship. Are you fighting Battleships? Then it's a Cruiser.

Good thing I came for this video today. Nice history and now I know I'm not going to bother playing this thing for free.

"if we ever see battlecruisers in the game" ???...Dunkerque, Scharnhorst, Kongo,

I absolutely love Story time with Jingles!

Jingles, i really like your World of Warships Videos! Always looking forward to them. Keep up the good work!

Hey Jingles, i love my graf Spee, absolut monster ship in a mid range firefight. I play actual only tier6 and 7 ships. The guns are more acurate at all other of my ships, in 14km range, you can easy pen tier6 jp battleships driving siteways to you and get 10k hits on us bbs. And that are the ships you compare the graf spee with. You can use the map islands to hold the 14km range to clevelands and use your big guns with a low shoting arc and fast shells for citardells. My first match and my first shot was a one shot kill of an german tier6 cruiser, coming out siteways out of an island in 8km range. he gets 3 citardelles and watch the fishes from beneath now. Of course you have to watch the minimap and watch our for clevelands, but you need to do that in a tier8 bb too because of the massive bombartment of the cleveland. I get my graf spee via the christmas event and dont want to miss this ship. kind regards to england from a gray northern germany, the stormbringer

Its actually a very good ship in the right role. I haven't seen anywhere near the gains I have in this ship in any of my other ships. As long as you don't engage a battleship that isn't already weakened or a destroyer at close torpedo range, you'll be fine.

I am very very surprised that nobody have mentioned the secondary armament of this ship.. 8x1 150 mm and 3x2 100 mm guns... combine that with torpedos, and hydro accustic search and its amazing for flushing out destroyers, cruisers, and you can brawl with battleships even (of course knowing you will trade quite a bit of hp with them). I only played 1 match so far with it, but it is an amazing fun ship. 114k dmg for the first match i played, 7 torpedo hits, 20-30 secondary hits, and a few citadels with the main guns. Took out a New Mexico and a Cleveland from full hp, and took few chunks out of a schors before i got friendly torpedoed by a dd on my team.

I've bought and played that ship a few times. Best games are around 80k when I can hit a torpedo or 2. It's like a cruiser version of the Mikasa at tier 2, where you have poor accuracy and must open up to fire both guns (and you want to, since you have little firepower otherwise). IMHO it is best played escorting a Fast Battleship, adding your 2x3 guns to his/her 12... Decent AA, Good torpedoes, very weak hull, okay turn radius. For the price it is worth it. It's not that expensive and is a relatively fun Cruiser to play.

jingles, out of all the states in the United States you pick Nebraska as a size relevancy? LMAO at least you didn't pick Rhode Island or California. Nebraska was the safest choice. Thanks for the video keep up the good work.

Dammit Jingles wheres the Kraken Unleashed

I got the ship in the campaign for it over the holidays. Now, I wouldn't say that I am a very good player, maybe average or a bit above average, but I really like the ship. I had multiple 100k+ dmg games in it. The guns are very good for a cruiser, even being able to do damage to BBs with their good AP potential and I also like that the secondary armament is good and I can't tell you how many times the excellent torps it has helped me, one game I was fighting a colorado and evaded his salvo and torped him and did a shit ton of damage. A lot of people dislike the ship though, it just seems to suit me personally, and of course it is one of the more famous German ships so thats also a big plus for me.

Jingles, Graf Spee has 140 mm of armour surrounding the cita.The outside layer 100mm + 40mm of the cita

I figure the British Battle Cruisers will be assembled into a second "Heavy" cruiser line, more heavy for guns rather than armor. This will also allow for a home for the few actual "Heavy Cruisers" that the British made. The existing British Cruisers are decidedly light Cruisers.

I love these little history lessons.

The ship class was unique for its time, the only types of ships that even came close to the combination of size and gun caliber were the coastal defense ships employed by some nations, most notably Sweden's coastal defense ships, but these were much slower and not designed for the Atlantic Ocean.

I absolutely love this ship. Most games I sink at least 2 or 3 ships, usually cruisers, and often battleships with suicide torpedo runs.

Jingles love when you do ship reviews. I love this ship.

To be fair, AGS's side citadel armor is actually not 100mm, but around 150mm - 100mm belt + 40mm sloped inner citadel wall. And little bit of anti-torp tinfoil of negligible thickness around the sides :) Nothing to really protect you if you go broadside to enemy heavy cruiser from up close, but still enough to shrug off most guns up to 6" at mid to long ranges and potentialy it's well capable of bouncing 14" shells if you angle it properly.

An excellent in-game review of this ship with a bit of history thrown in. The Deutschland class ships cannot be called battlecruisers. They are basically (slow) heavy cruisers with (small) battleship guns crammed onto them. They are not large enough, fast enough, and well-armed enough to be called battlecruisers. Call them super-heavy cruisers, even the Germans could not come up with a really good name for them. I mean, "armored ship" is kind of like saying "armored tank".

I just love this ship, I couldn't get the missions in time for it (knew that from release on) and bought it straight away. I went to the Graf Spee museum in Montevideo when I was a merchant navy cadet and loved the way Langsdorff (and the Kriegsmarine in general) just stuck to it 's own traditions, ignoring the Nazi rules and regulations: eg. sending those distress signals so crews could be picked up, the way they kept saluting as sailors (not nazi's), etc . In game, just don't make the same mistake HMS Hood made and behave like a BB. No, you are a cruiser hunter, a very good supportship. Most ships that can hurt you (solo) are slower and those that are faster can't win in 1 vs 1 when going straight towards them. Yes, you have only 3 guns pointing at the enemy, but they hurt big time if you hit. When in the ****, turn away and fire torps in that turn . . then run like smoke and oakum . . . I had tremendous fun in this ship. You just have to take a joke from now or then. If you chase a cruiser around an island and half the enemy fleet is waiting in ambush you don't even have the time to hoist a white flag :=).

With the history behind each ship being told, it makes watching the game play on how the ship handles that much more interesting. You are now not just playing a ship, you are playing a bit of history.

good thing I got this for free. don't think I would pay for it. "pray you don't run into a winter storm because you're probably going to run into a winter storm" LOL