Agreed! Obnoxious and cultish, I had to stop watching at the 0:38 arms behing the back standing barefoot on the sofa pose

@@assemblywizard8 that's a bit over the top.

Yep, also iPad already have warm light, so...?

@@kaboart4jesus the problem is not the bluelight, but the refresh rate. Your screen is constantly blinking, but is so fast you may not notice, but cause eye strain

@@leandrocrs for you it cause eye strain. Not everyone is the same, do not assume everyone is like you. 28+ years of 14-16 hours a day in front of a computer, different screens as the technology changed, and never had any issues, no eye strain, no dry eyes. Of course, if you have a crappy monitor, or misconfigured screen (especially with "Dithering" option enabled, this can be modified in NVidia cards; it's auto-enabled on Intel cards on battery power for power saving), or bad screen backlit (eg. PWM-controlled) or bad room lighting (especially no small light BEHIND your monitor - there should always be alight behind it, e.g. pointed to the wall), then you can have some problems. However, E-Ink won't solve those problems. I love E-Ink, but because of other reasons. It's simply something different - a screen that doesn't need a backlight to be readable, a low-power screen, so you can read for hours on a mobile device, a screen that resembles a real book with real paper - just so you feel "closer" to the real thing. E-Ink is not your savior, if you have a bad room lighting, bad font setup etc. you can have as many problems with eink as any other screen. Start thinking, not generalizing and claiming other technology will be a solution to all your problems.

Exactly, not to mention, that apps are sandboxed for a reason

@@mble right, you sandbox apps on an OS level to ensure some base level of security. In comes this guy showing a lot of skin and wearing beads and says let's rethink OS security fundamentals. There's no way that Notion or any other app would want to build an app for your OS if you didn't have that protection, let alone, it goes against Notion's economic interest to not be walled gardens...

To play devil’s advocate, it sounds like what he might mean is there might be “abstract data primitives” (not to be confused with primitives in a programming context), like todo data, alarm data, notes data, etc that will be will be stored in a common location that all apps can access through a common API to allow for better ease of reusing data between apps that use common data like these primitives. Do I think this CEO explained it in a kind of silly manner? Yes. But, IF I’m correct in his meaning, I actually think that’s a cool idea. It’s not a technological innovation so much as it’s a process innovation by way of introducing a new standard, like POSIX (loose comparison). Does this introduce some new security considerations? Absolutely. Cool idea if it can be handled safely. EDIT: Some typos

I think, he means, to have a common data store for all apps instead of letting apps decide how and what they want to store. This way, a lot of apps need to think how are they making data store and process There may be two notes application, from different companies. Samsung notes and Google keep. Just imagine that your Google keep notes can be read and modified by your Samsung notes

he's talking about letting apps create native experiences, meaning to allow greater integration. I remember when I had docked winamp bar at the top and taskbar at the side. Quick access, always. You can't have that now. I also remember Samurize, where I had performance indicators in the taskbar. Can't do that anymore either. I always wished I could have a hot corner with an mp3 player, etc. That's what he's talking about. The way Windows and MacOs have a special calendar and clock that's integrated into the OS, and no third party app can work like they do. Now, achieving that while maintaining security is gonna be rough, but at least someone's looking into it.

cool

If battery life is decent, (not talking like 6 months) then I’m “probably” fine with it. I don’t care that it’s 100% not the same as e-ink and I don’t care if it’s not new. I just care whether or not it is a product that I “would use”. I want Android so that I can still install a few things. Sure there’s other companies like Boox, so I am eager to see more details.

It isn't a new OS. It's just Android.

@@eccodreams I think they can still get away with calling it a new OS if they made a fork of Android. It’s not like that hasn’t been done before. The difference doesn’t matter to me anyway, but sure it’s still Android. To avoid ambiguity for any potential consumer who might come away thinking that I’ll agree with you though. Edit: their website also says that the OS is built from Android and can download Android apps. I see nothing nefarious about that point and actually a positive. They don’t claim it is e-ink and it is not regular LCD either. Some people just might still want to buy this anyway. I think that’s fine.

And uses a MediaTek CPU, that is not compatible with a lot of apps like Notion for example. It's a little bit scamish

sarcasm? It is a slightly upgraded kindle, and he even said it heh. Kinda reminds me of etchasketch

and he just said etch 😅 4:10

No it's not. You don't understand the leap this is. ​@@dertythegrower

Yep

Honestly. You see the e-ink, you see the gesture, but then you see the response and WOAH.

says on their website, ~up to~ 3 days

@@frustinso maybe in real 1,5 days of normale usage

@@frustin So it's a tiny bit better than an average phone Probably the same as my Poco if I primarily used it just for reading

@@hundvd_7 It's a near-regular tablet marketed as a high refresh rate e-ink display.

That's the wrong question. How long can it keep the content on the screen without using a battery? That's the question. However, fast E-Ink screen is still impressive.

- Talk about your product in a cultish way

Still better than a guy in a jeans and a turtleneck. Don't tell me that Jobs didn't make an impression like he never changed his clothes or showered.

Yep. With a bunch of pretty looking marketing and a constant fount of buzzwords.

With a matte coating and no blue light apparently. Yeah this doesn't seem to be the revolutionary new eink technology they are trying to sell. I think it is still a nice combination of technologies to create a "traditional" tablet that is great for reading, but I wish they would be more transparent about this.

You know I really believed the video, but we should be aware of sneaky salesman, and I thought you people were hater but, really you're pointing out people like me to be aware of marketing gimmicks.

@@harshsinghparmar6083 Holy fuck dude not everything is a scam

@@harshsinghparmar6083 The trick is that kindness and skepticism are not mutually exclusive.

I read somewhere else that this is just an IGZO display, which aren't new. But I look forward to more types of products in this space.

@@JohnVance It's a transflective LCD.

@@eccodreams regardless of whether they invented the display or not its still good to repurpose the tech for new applications. if a transflective LCD fulfills the same needs that drove the development of e-ink displays then why not use them? my question is what battery performance is like. i do know its better than traditional LCDs since you can turn the backlight all the way off when ambient light is present. but how does it compare to e-ink? i assume its worse especially if its running at 60 fps but what if the framerates were normalized to e-ink framerates?

@@0siiris The problem with this reflective LCD is that you will need to turn on backlight (Daylight will use amber backlight) more times than front-light on e-ink, because there will be a lot of ambient light situations where you can see e-ink text good but you can't see reflective LCD good enough. Also viewing angles are worse. So you use backlight more times, more power. On other side e-ink doesn't consume energy for static image, while LCD does. There is a type of LCD (Sharp Memory LCD) containing 1 bit memory for each pixel on display itself, so energy consumption on static image is very very low, no zero like e-ink but very near because external LCD control circuit can be off while displaying static image; but I suppose LCD used by Daylight won't be Memory LCD (in fact Memory LCD are manufactured in very small display size; years ago there was a 5-6 inches Memory LCD but it was discontinued because there was no demmand, and today bigger size is 4,4 inches), so it draws more energy on static image as it needs to drive control ciruitry. You can see Sharp refelective Memory LCD on Playdate console kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kK2Ug5hqzc7NdJs.html It is a very refelective LCD. On other side, when you turn on backlight on Daylight (and you will need to turn it on more time than on e-ink) you receive direct light to your eyes, even being amber light (not so disturbing like blued light), it is direct light. On e-ink, when you turn on light it is light reflected on e-ink, instead of light emitted to your eyes. I like Daylight and I am interestes, it is even possible I buy it after it has been reviewed, but it is a refelective LCD, no magic. I like amber backlight, it's much better than having no backlight, because being LCD you will need backligt in a lot of situations, and much better than having white/bluish backlight.

@@0siiris I'm not sure, but the attempt at trying to hide that it's transflective LCD and marketing it as a "60+ fps e-ink display" does give some red flags.

Never trust a guy with so many beads and rings. I'm so sick of these pseudo intellectual hipster tech guys.

@@OrganicGreens What about a black turtleneck and jeans, sneakers and no belt? Would that work instead? I hear that guy built some fruit company..

He bought out a fruit company after taking the tech from a nerd friend, he was a hipster pseudo intellectual who was a great salesman ​@@vishalontheline

Well who would you rather trust now, Liz Holmes, Zuck, or Lucky Palmer .

He literally shows this in the video...

They gave a quick summary, not even an overview nor a nitty gritty one 😅

Ngl, I LOVED their launch video. Beautifully shot. Thank you for the kind words though :)

There is no nitty-gritty here, only buzzwords that sound nice to someone who knows nothing about the tech they buy. This display tech is not new, it's a transflective LCD. The only new thing I can see here is using an orange backlight.

@@eccodreamsdude why are you replying to every comment?

@@hastyscorpion Because bullshit like this doesn't deserve recognition nor praise.

We have color now, the space is innovating very quickly rn

@@reylavienna1318 is it?

@@FrancescoDiMauro yes

@@meirisoda good!

You can thank amazon and their patents for stalling innovation regarding it

His company, not the technology for the screen. That’s been around for 15 years.

ITS AN EXISTING TECH! Stop hyping nonsense. No battery life or visibility advantages to be had. Same displays we've had for years.

Then what about supernote??

Then you are Stupid

As someone who doesn't like Apple and some of it's products please don't. Even the Lowest spec iPad is much better than this.

@@asandax6 Can't compare those. Two completely different products. Apples to oranges.

@@asandax6 Tablets suck for reading and people who need to read a lot would either buy a Kindle and now this device!

@@dexternepo How do tablets suck for reading?

There is no innovation here. It's just a transflective LCD.

@@eccodreamsYou feel smart saying that but don’t even know what a transreflective LCD is. If it wasn’t innovative, then why hasn’t a product like this been launched?

Because it's a terrible idea 💀 unlike e-ink, that is bistable in nature, meaning it can indefinitely display an image without consuming any power, LCDs will keep consuming power as long as the screen is turned on. Battery will take a MASSIVE HIT on these machines. Not to mention, LCDs also have poor viewing angles compared to E-Ink. This is just a DOA product and it's priced at 730 dollars for using technology that was used in the Nintendo Gameboy.

@@darthmortem585 well let's wait and see the actual reviews. I am optimistic even though you might be right, who knows?

@@skryonline5825 oh yeah, you can definitely choose to be optimistic, although i don't think its a particularly good product. my comment was more so targeted towards @saantii than you.

big yikes. cringy techy dropout vibes.

... I knew it's a scam

he never claims it's E Ink

I mean if it has the same feel of e-ink with a good refresh hate some people might like a lot, the problem is battery use, does the refresh rate and the not being bistable increase battery use?

To be clear, Anjan says it's "like e-ink," and explains it's a new display technology they call "LivePaper." I just messed up in the title originally calling it e-ink.

@@Asak999 The "feel" of e-ink isn't the e-ink itself, it's the coating on top of the display, so this argument is already empty. Also, yes, because the display is refreshing 60+ times per second, it will have very similar power usage characteristics as a regular LCD display. All this display is doing is instead of blocking a backlight with a twisted liquid crystal, it twists to show the black surface behind it and reflects ambient light to show "white".

@@s3_build That's fair, and he does have a genuinely unique display here, but when you boil it down it's literally just a regular LCD with a black background instead of a backlight.

could you elaborate on the new os part

@@oversovl To the non-tech-inclined, "a new OS" sounds like this revolutionary and incredible thing, but it's really just marketing and buzzword nonsense unless they have literally built an operating system and kernel from the ground up, which I highly doubt. Especially considering he didn't actually say anything **about** the OS other than saying "other OSes do this thing, ours doesn't". Other OSes like Windows and MacOS already run programs at an "OS level". Look up the "protection ring" Wikipedia article; if this guy is talking about running programs at ring 1 or 0, he's completely out of his mind and doesn't know jack shit about computer security. If he's trying to mystify running programs at ring 2 or 3 and beyond, he's selling snake oil with the pretense of some sort of "mindful" or "human" design or function. That whole section of the video is just full of Apple levels of smoke and mirrors advertising for their products, and it's really no surprise considering his clear appreciation for the company.

​@@oversovlI checked their website and it says that "Sol:OS is a custom Android OS carefully crafted to minimize distractions, with a clean, intuitive interface that keeps you in the flow." So it's literally just Android with a custom skin, which is not revolutionary in any way. Calling this their own OS is not only stupid, it's blatant false advertising.

@@eccodreams Thank you for your great efforts in looking into it, even their marketing so far hasn't given us any "meat" in the sense of genuine innovation.

@@eccodreams Just because you use android to build your own OS, doesn't mean you haven't built your own OS.... You call Android an OS right? guess what android builds off of...

...which should give you red flags. As others have pointed out, this device uses a transflective LCD screen -nothing new about that. Seems like he tries to sell smth old as smth new to ppl who aren't tech savvy and eat it right up. I dunno, but some skepticism until this thing is actually out wouldn't be a bad idea imo.

It's great for writing

The responsiveness of the display is a true breakthrough. Most people I know are turned off by the stuttering display of traditional e-Ink displays.

@@MrSamPhoenixit’s not a breakthrough it’s just a LCD. I’ll be convinced if it looks as good as eink in real life.

Unfortunately, when you're this deep in silicon valley's pockets, this is the norm.

Exactly! There's no mention of battery life in the video. The beauty of an e-ink screen is that it is idle most of the time and wastes no energy. If you give up the most important feature of such a display as a frozen image, then in fact it's a regular black and white glorified LCD. And in video he is drawing in well lit room so no built in backlight too.

@@eccodreamsYou’re a top-level online troll. We haven’t seen this product be reviewed yet, and you should wait to criticize

@@goldmax1412 There is, in fact, a built in backlight. If you took the time to read the specs you would've known this. You don't know what you're talking about.

@@rttptt3710 But there is none objections to my statements about the life of the batteries and glorified black and white LCD?

Nat Friedman, the ceo of Github already recommended it on x

Precisely this. No one needs a reinvention of something that was invented within the last 15 years. Tech moves at a rapid pace these days, yes, but this goal is completely insane and not feasible, at least not within the next decade or two.

Reported to BBB.

@@djh1455 wow that's some high tier hating nice work

Looking at your youtube channel, it's easy to see you don't have anything going for you in life.

@@timenotspaceproduction aha thank you. nice art too btw

@@djh1455 THANK YOU! legend

He's great at parroting marketing points and techbro lingo. The only reason this market is growing is because GenAI is growing and techbros want something to feel good about.

the real question

60hrs screen time without backlight. Something like 30hrs with 30% backlight, source: twitter

Way too many people see a charismatic CEO and instantly devolve to their boot-licking instincts. Thank you for being skeptical.

The software seems closed off since they are claiming to integrate app's data to remain in the OS itself so you probably can't export it to another OS.( unless there's a cloud connection). Product isn't revolutionary but i like variety so looking forward to this since normal displays cause eye strain for me

@@keerthan7558 its android 13

@@keerthan7558 yea I wouldn't be surprised, but again I think this specific device matters a lot less than the screen hardware. I just hope it's not patented into the ground and it's generically accessible in the same way LCDs and e-paper are

@@Lep_19 The technology already exists from a long time it's called trans reflective LCD so I don't see how they can patent someone else's innovation. Just like Tandem Oled tech has existed wayy before but used for in business solutions or automotive industry.