yea maybe

Good job.

World of Tanks Europe awesome video guys ! Glory to World of Tanks!

Show some more math behind the WoT mechanics :D

no harm in reuploading them, good idea. but we need some newer and different ones!

50m. Sometimes the difference in terrain elevation may make it feel less. On Glacier, standing on top of the crashed Carrier will not yield any spot on tanks hiding under the carrier :P WG should actually display these viewrange visualisations with spheres, not flat circles.

Knowledge is a choice, the reward itself is this video, why would you get a reward for them teaching you something you didn't know(probably)

Because it will encourage people to learn things, and as I said as a part of the tutorial. That shows u some stuff and you get rewards for doing it.

pixl3l I see

They also have less base camo and lose half of it in motion, lights don't. If you want to see people and don't be seen yourself, lights are by far the best option.

miter010 Ya, ok tell that to the unicum with coated optics or binos camping in the bush with a 6 perk crew, lighting you up while you are trying to spot him. Ya .... think again. I ain't gona camp back in a bush in my light and snipe when I should be spotting the enemy.

A Maus can outspot any approaching light if it's hidden behind the right bush and has the right equipment. If a med somewhere is what keeps you from spotting effectively then maybe you shouldn't be playing lights.

miter010 There is no way a maus will outspot a scout that is tier 8 and above. Unless the scout has no camo and a shitty crew. Also , the point was that there is no reason to play lights because meds can do almost everything a light can and even better, light tanks aren't competitive, and this is coming from someone that likes and is good at playing lights. The light tanks need a buff or there needs to be a rework of the visibility system.

Some bushes give a camo bonus of 50%, the highest in-motion camo I've seen on a light is the ELC EVEN 90, at a bit over 40% with camo paint and skill. In addition, the Maus has higher view range than some tier 10 lights. This means that a Maus in a good bush will absolutely outspot most if not all lights. Sure, I can agree on lights being underpowered, but they are not worse at spotting than mediums, not in general anyway.

Hast du eigentlich noch die alten why u heff to be mad videos von jingles auf der festplatte?

Szabo Csaba now it doesnt even have a magazine

It was reupload so new players could find it. They said in the start of the video they will talk about concealment in another video and you get spotted most likely when you shoot, because your camo value drops massively

The reason they waited with camo is possibly HD maps. In the old maps, you had 3 types of flora. Light, Medium and Dense, giving in order 10%, 25% and 50% camo. It was easy to tell the difference visually, just by looking at them. In HD maps I cannot tell the difference, all the bushes look the same, very dense. The only difference is their size and number (often a couple of them in a spot). I have no idea if they work any different, if they count as separate etc. My guess is, they are all thick, placing the tank right behind pretty much any bush with size big enough to cover your tank gives significant camo bonus. But I would like some official confirmed info from WG. As for camo bonus after shot. Every piece of foliage, bush, tree etc. in the area of 15m (stuff which is transparent when you look through your sniper scope) gets temporary penalty to camo it provides to you the moment you shoot. If I remember well, it drops to 10% of what they usually give (again, in old version depending on their thickness/type). So a thick bush (50%) after shot would give only 5% for some time after you shoot. That's why many tanks stand just like 14m behind the bush, and the moment they spot something they back off another 2 meters and only then shoot. The bush(es) do not lose their bonus then (but also obstruct your viewrange, so you cannot spot properly, so it's good only for shooting already spotted targets).

because its a fake mechanism has nothing to do with the reality

They didn't change them? What are you talking about

Panagiotis Kolokotsis They did in patch 9.0 i think. I've been playing for 5 years and the spotting works differently in how you get assistance. How long have you been playing?

Since 2014 and the spotting mechanics where always the same since I started, they only fixed like 2 years ago that u can spot instantly someone crossing a corner and not 3 sec later when he has already crossed, that's the only change they did since I started playing

Yep, that would seem correct. There's also the matter of potential obstacles on the way. But on the other hand, WG is not always true to their math and rules. For example their ammo. WG claims, that APCR (if not default ammo) lose more penetration over a distance than AP. At least percentage wise. There are tanks where this is not true, and lost of pen over distance is manually set for each tank (guns, calibers, nations do not matter). Good example are Swedish IX and X STRV TDs. Top gun has default ammo APCR of 308mm pen. Gold ammo is also APCR but with 350mm pen. (both at 100m) The tooltip with ammo in the garage says that at 500m the penetration is 298mm for standard and 340mm for gold. That's -10mm on both. But then 10mm from 308mm (standard) is 3,25% loss while 10mm from 350 (gold) is 2,86% loss. So standard APCR has higher loss of pen than premium APCR. And seeing how WG distributes spotting points, I would say their spotting mechanics also has some hidden features. Too often did I go to rush-bush spot and kept passively spotting tanks as the first guy from 150-100m and yet shared a significant chunk my spotting points with teammates in heavy tanks 250-300m behind me. So yea, math-wise it is correct, but in real life you may get totally different results and you will never know why.

Junze Zhang But the mechanics are the same.

:D

Or broken 8 tier MM,T32 10 X on row with 10 tiers with 198 pen...

Oh, Xan :D You are the reason why WG had to put dozens of nasty invisible walls and huge boulders on their maps, and now you ask them for their internal camera mod? :D

That mod would be so good to use! :D

I know it's a joke

Yes

It is the "hitbox" for the virtual visibility rays your own tank is emitting. The box determines where the "spotting points" of the enemy (and your own) vehicle are.

Guidance..

What?

Necat Ergün Spotting mechanics are the same.

cryohellinc max view range is 450m

DD Os lol i guess that's why he's patton "can't spot anything"

while the max view range is 450m thats the max range you can see an enemy, you can get over that which counters camo

@DD Os I know that, now what? @Just Gamez "hurr durr" @Supreme Commander Gilad Pellaeon And once again, I know that. Now what? Game mechanics are mostly broken. Now there is a also a new bug where you see enemy for 0.1 sec and then he magically vanishes.

cryohellinc any view range higher than 450m kust negates enemy camouflage. So if your view range is high enough you can spot through bushes, if they're right behind it. You have to be the one to spot an enemy tank to get the assistance. I seem to do fine with my scouts. Maybe you should practice spotting.

Adam Malik Yep

Not me,anyomore...still broken:(

Raouf Abdou You need to shoot the SPG, not the groud. Did you prove that way?