146 - Sevastopol Must Fall! - WW2 - June 13, 1942

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World War Two

World War Two

3 жыл бұрын

It's a week of starts and stops. The Battle of Sevastopol kicks into high gear, and the Battle of Gazala enters its third phase. And what is going on in the Pacific just one week after Midway?
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@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Things look worse weekly for the Allies in North Africa, but as the world is starting to find out, they are a whole lot worse for a great many civilians in occupied territory. Check out our War Against Humanity subseries to learn more about one of the darker chapters in human history. The playlist is right here: kzfaq.info/sun/PLsIk0qF0R1j4cwI-ZuDoBLxVEV3egWKoM As for the civilians at home in their own territory, we also have a subseries about them, called On the Homefront: kzfaq.info/sun/PLsIk0qF0R1j5Ug9lCaxygenFf3lzuGXap And please read our rules of conduct before you comment, saves everyone headaches (and loads of time): community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 3 жыл бұрын
9:15 one of those commanders is an imposter! I think it's briggs, he's wearing richards' face from a few moments earlier
@QuizmasterLaw
@QuizmasterLaw 3 жыл бұрын
LAYzhun AYtranzhair and yeah, i fought there to learn to speak all those languages.
@adamwilliams5492
@adamwilliams5492 3 жыл бұрын
I wish u would tell us who and what ur talking about/who at the very start of each epsiode.
@lessonslearned2569
@lessonslearned2569 3 жыл бұрын
@@pnutz_2 xz vibz
@yourstruly4817
@yourstruly4817 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a Revell He-177 plane in the background?
@duchessofmelon9967
@duchessofmelon9967 3 жыл бұрын
Japan: We must not let our allies know we lost almost all of our aircraft carriers Also Japan: Hey Germany, can we borrow an aircraft carrier? No particular reason...
@robertalaverdov8147
@robertalaverdov8147 3 жыл бұрын
What's even more ludicrous is the how they planned to get that carrier moved to the pacific? Go over the artic ocean, the British and Soviets aren't just gonna let her go thru there. And there is a ton of ice to cross. Around Africa, I'm sure the British and American navies would have a field day. Via south America, look at what happened to the Graf Spee. The idea screams of desperation on behalf of Japanese officials.
@BenGrem917
@BenGrem917 3 жыл бұрын
"We just wanted to look at it. Study it for...uh...curiosity. The Emperor has a hobby in them. What? You'd like to study Kido Butai more closely in exchange? Yes. About that. It's engaged in a naval operation in...hmm...Antarctica? We're looking to establish a secret research facility there. What? Herr Hitler wants to see it in person? That's his thing? He loves occult research bases in obscure and cold locations? *hangs up in a panic*" "I think they're on to us."
@chazzerman286
@chazzerman286 3 жыл бұрын
@@BenGrem917 Fun fact: the Graf Zepplin design was at least partially based on Akagi, which makes this scenario even more odd. "Yeah, you know how we let you look at our homework that one time? Can we borrow yours for a bit? No, of course we're not going to just submit it as ours, don't be silly"
@JuanPerez-vv5lk
@JuanPerez-vv5lk 3 жыл бұрын
hahaha
@ernestojordanpena2827
@ernestojordanpena2827 3 жыл бұрын
Also: the American press celebrated the victory, it wouldn't be hard for the news to reach German ears and eyes
@cobbler9113
@cobbler9113 3 жыл бұрын
I've got to be honest, I hadn't heard of Neil Ritchie until this series. I think I understand why...
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
Ritchie became a decent if not an outstanding Corps Commander in 1944-1945 at Normandy and North West Europe under Montgomery's command , in 1942 at North Africa , Western Desert Campaign , he was undermined and set up to fail by his immediate superior Claude Auchinleck who when realised he was about to be kicked back to India where he belonged , first threw all blame of Gazala mess on Ritchie's shoulders then began to raise a spectacle and went into tantrum like "an offended film star" (exact quote of British Imperial Chief of Staff Alan Brooke's description of Auk)
@FurryCruz
@FurryCruz 3 жыл бұрын
If you had played C64 games Ritchie is the best commander in "Victory in the Desert" I think was called.
@kanedakrsa
@kanedakrsa 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu The Auk is the only reason crusader didnt turn into a total loss. The fuck are you smoking? If anybody needed to be booted it was Churchill for constantly demanding stupid offensives while shifting resources around from theatre to theatre
@Ycjedi
@Ycjedi 3 жыл бұрын
"Anybody see Ritchie!?"
@Ycjedi
@Ycjedi 3 жыл бұрын
@@kanedakrsa and also starving millions of Indians to death
@konstantinriumin2657
@konstantinriumin2657 3 жыл бұрын
Just a note - "Fort Stalin" is a german designation. In reality it wasn't even a fort, it was 365th anti air artillery battery position, protected by several pillboxes, and Soviets had no specific name for it aside from unit name. Same for other Sevastopol forts like Fort Molotov and Fort Maxim Gorky.
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I didnt know that, I always assumed they were named by the Russians, especially because the Germans often simply used numbers to describe things instead of names.
@matheusgu
@matheusgu 3 жыл бұрын
They also had names like "Fort Cheka", "Fort OGPU" and "Fort Siberia"
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
@@matheusgu In the summer of 1942, on the way to Stalingrad, some Germans were photographed in a dugout called "Villa Russenpech" ("Russian Bad Luck Villa") because some Red Army soldiers they killed in a clash were buried nearby. Whether the Germans' own luck held out in the coming months is doubtful.
@herrakaarme
@herrakaarme 2 жыл бұрын
I guess when reporting their progress to Hitler, it sounded better to say that after days of heavy fighting, they managed to capture Fort Stalin. Instead of just saying they managed to capture an unnamed bunch of pillboxes.
@hellionkal
@hellionkal 3 жыл бұрын
Someone should eventually make a montage of all of Indy's intro "phone calls".
@Zen-sx5io
@Zen-sx5io 3 жыл бұрын
I can do It.
@Altrantis
@Altrantis 3 жыл бұрын
@Order & Chaos Well, can do it per year of the conflict.
@astrobullivant5908
@astrobullivant5908 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely
@blueberrypirate3601
@blueberrypirate3601 3 жыл бұрын
With Eww style ding dings😃
@Steveross2851
@Steveross2851 3 жыл бұрын
In the intro "phone calls" who is Indy talking to anyway?
@remenir97
@remenir97 3 жыл бұрын
The bickering between the British commanders in North Africa sound like an sketch from Monthy Python.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
"Tell me... this is a tank battalion, correct?" "Yes." "I see. So... do you have any tanks in your tank outfit?" "Sorry, we're fresh out."
@tigertank06
@tigertank06 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 😂😂😂.
@celston51
@celston51 3 жыл бұрын
@@tigertank06 "This tank battalion is no more! It has ceased to be! This is an ex-battalion!"
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 Sounds like the Russian 4th Tank Army, which about this time (as the Russian joke went) is an army with 4 tanks.
@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756
@presidentxijinpingspoxdoct9756 3 жыл бұрын
so many times in history were British troops the "lions led by donkeys".
@owenhammond1880
@owenhammond1880 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Sevastopol is good at holding up forcing for a long ass time. They held out for like 8 months during WWII and close to a year when the Crimea War happened in the mid 1850s. It definitely well earned it's name in history as a fortress city.
@pavlenikic9712
@pavlenikic9712 3 жыл бұрын
wait until we get to leningrad in few years :D i mean its in progress but it just barely started.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
The Germans had the same issue here that they had trying to besiege Leningrad. Because of geography there was no way they could completely surround it, and they didn't have enough air or sea assets to completely cut it off from resupply. Adding in more air power eventually did the trick in Sevastopol, not something they could pull off elsewhere later in the war as the Soviet air force begain to recover and start to fight for air superiority again.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 Bet the Germans wished they had invested more in their navy.
@Overlord734
@Overlord734 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasconder4703 Turkey was blocking an access into the Black Sea.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@@Overlord734 Nah, you just use the rail network and ship them across the continent (ha, ha). Or perhaps not so funny - the British did that in Africa during WW1.
@briantarigan7685
@briantarigan7685 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: sevastopol receive aerial bombing far more intense bombardement than London, Warsaw and Rotterdam, coupled with axis big guns, it's amazing how the defenders still manage to defend their position and even repelled several German attack after that kind of bombardement, in the end of the siege,only 11 building of the city still left standing.
@TheSunchaster
@TheSunchaster 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Soviet forces take Sevastopol for 3 weeks instead of 8 months
@briantarigan7685
@briantarigan7685 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSunchaster the Germansnever felt the need to rebuild the fortress after they take it, the operation to take crimea in 1944 are hillariously easy for the soviet, compare to the German operation in 1941 and 1942
@markmierzejewski9534
@markmierzejewski9534 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder where the Black Sea fleet was anchored. Would it have been more prudent to make sure the fleet is neutralized to prevent any landings I’m sure a fortress city is well stocked with supply’s but those don’t last forever Cutting off any resupply and more over the ability to withdraw would be prudent. I personally have always found this battle to interesting because it took Artillery and Fortifications to the extreme.
@user-qi3sn5vi6t
@user-qi3sn5vi6t 3 жыл бұрын
@@markmierzejewski9534 Black Sea fleet was in Novorossiysk, Tuapse, Poti (Kuban and Georgian coasts). It made a huge job supplying Sevastopol, but didn’t try to support the fortress with its guns like it was in Leningrad
@TheSunchaster
@TheSunchaster 3 жыл бұрын
@@briantarigan7685 nonsense, get more info. And about fight for the isthmus too.
@34toony77
@34toony77 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather fought in north africa and the invasion of italy from 1940-1945 in the lancastar tank hussars and survived the war, indy is correct, the armoured units' morale was battered at this time. But there is something that also happened, my grandads units were caught in a sandstorm followed by desert fever which nearly killed my grandad. The units were desperate to clear the dead and didn't bother checking vitals, so they threw my grandad onto a mass grave. Only when he awoke and screamed at them did they go "oh, hes alive, get him out". Sandstorms and fever was rampant, also he hated the british tanks and spoke highly of the american tanks when he took me to a tank museum when i was young. In future episodes when I find the letters and encounters of the north african front which he mailed to his sister (which my grandad rewrote for his grandkids in 2000 when he finally had a computer) Ill type them out. However, the goverment made sure to censor alot of them. My grandad lived the war and died in 2011 aged 91. He was a badass until the end (he became a chemistry teacher after the war as he loved explosives, and threw his medals away, as he hated medals and praise).
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
My respects to your grandfather. I collect every reasource about Africa and Mediterranean Theaters
@midsue
@midsue 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your grandfather's war time story. And thanks to your grandfather for his service.
@tigertank06
@tigertank06 3 жыл бұрын
Threw his medals away? He didn’t give his medals to you guys?
@zetectic7968
@zetectic7968 3 жыл бұрын
@@tigertank06 He did it before they were born probably. Disillusioned by the loss of his comrades. Not everyone thought they were fighting a just war and/or that the sacrifice was worth it.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
Both my father and uncle fought in the Western Desert, my father in the Desert Air Force, my uncle as a communications officer (I don't know which unit). My uncle took part in the retreat from Gazala (oops, spoiler). One story I was told is that during the retreat my uncle was in a staff car with an officer when they spotted some tanks laagered in a wadi. Not sure whose tanks they were, the officer got out, walked down to the tanks, rapped on the top of the turret and asked, "I say, anyone in there?", to which the response was, "Wie war das noch?" or something to that effect. The officer then jumped down, walked back to the staff car, and they took off at high speed. Gives you an idea how confused the situation was.
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 3 жыл бұрын
"once ze rockets go up, who cares where they come down? that's not my department" says wernher von braun
@iKvetch558
@iKvetch558 3 жыл бұрын
@-Umut Deniz- LOL
@iKvetch558
@iKvetch558 3 жыл бұрын
"The rocket worked perfectly except for landing on the wrong planet."
@OnionChoppingNinja
@OnionChoppingNinja 3 жыл бұрын
Gather 'round while I sing you of Wernher von Braun; A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience. Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown "Nazi, Schmazi!" says Wernher von Braun kzfaq.info/get/bejne/itB0eNZ4v7LGmaM.html
@gabrielesalera7088
@gabrielesalera7088 3 жыл бұрын
ayyy Tom Lehrer gang!!
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 3 жыл бұрын
@@OnionChoppingNinja it's amazing because most people will remember him from the elements song
@surrog
@surrog 3 жыл бұрын
Bir Hakeim is still celebrated to this day in the military history of France, and is a name of prestigious subway station & a bridge in the center of Paris. Marie-Pierre Kœnig who commanded there would later be the one to command the free french force during dday: a certified decorated badass.
@aeropulu8467
@aeropulu8467 3 жыл бұрын
Yep Bir Hakeim gave its name to a fair number of French streets, squares, etc. In Bordeaux for instance Place Bir Hakeim sits just across the bridge from Place Stalingrad, putting both battles at the same level of symbolic significance.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
And with good reason. It demonstrated not only French military prowess, but also that the Allies did have the weapons to fight the Germans if used effectively by a competent commander.
@gedeon2696
@gedeon2696 3 жыл бұрын
When the Frre French got back to the main british line, they were honoured by the britishin a "march past". But M.P.Koenig noticed that a group of jewish soldiers who had fought beside the french were refused participation in the parade, Koenig insisted they march beside the french WITH THE JEWISH FLAG. "Kol Ha kavod" = "All the Respects" to M.P.Koenig !!
@warwickeng5491
@warwickeng5491 3 жыл бұрын
Shame De Gaulle takes all of the glory
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 3 жыл бұрын
The French fought very well in North Africa, this notion that the French always ran away is absurd!
@robertkras5162
@robertkras5162 3 жыл бұрын
"British army kicked off the European continent three times" I count four - Norway, Dunkirk, Southern France after that, and Greece.
@elseggs6504
@elseggs6504 3 жыл бұрын
@Pantelis Tzimas They werent "allowed" to leave. Their push towards Dunkirk was risky enough to get them outflanked. Which is why they were ordered to stop pushing
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
@Pantelis Tzimas They were not allowed to leave , Germans in each time underestimated British sealift capacity and overestimated their own capabilities to overwhelm British Commonwealth forces before they were evacuated
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe they're counting France as one combined eviction?
@elseggs6504
@elseggs6504 3 жыл бұрын
@Pantelis Tzimas Being afraid that the Allies could break out and null your entire progress is a valid reason. Theres a thin line in Mobile Warfare between being bold and being stupid and the Germans were rather limited in terms of ressources and manpower. Advancing further *might* have turned out to be successfull, but you cannot have hindsight over something you're currently doing. Besides, these 300.000 men escaped with barely any equipment, so they werent of much use for years to come anyway. What *really* got them fucked were the Soviet Union not only being undefeated, but re-emerging with millions of soldiers, barely contestable air superiority, artillery and so on. And thats on top of the Americans swooping in.
@robertkras5162
@robertkras5162 3 жыл бұрын
@Pantelis Tzimas It's easy to look back in time and see the flaw in the German caution, but in war things are never that clear, information is never certain, and a smart general has to balance what is aggressive vs what is hubris. It is very possible the current story line of Hitler pausing the attack against the will of his generals is sour grapes. Far more cautious were the French and British for leaving Poland to perish and then participating in the Phony war when they could have taken initiative... But all alternate history is, essentially fabricated. What happened is what happened.
@gunman47
@gunman47 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this may get covered in the War Against Humanity subseries, but this week on June 12 1942, German-Dutch girl of Jewish heritage *Anne Frank* receives a diary for her thirteenth birthday. Soon she will embark on her diary entries in the near future.
@Jakob_DK
@Jakob_DK 3 жыл бұрын
Important to be noted
@principalityofbelka6310
@principalityofbelka6310 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man i think this is going to be a tragic story.
@aurorathekitty7854
@aurorathekitty7854 3 жыл бұрын
Then the whole world invades her privacy right after what the Nazis did to her.
@heckinmemes6430
@heckinmemes6430 3 жыл бұрын
I hope someone got her a ballpoint pen to go with it.
@thanos_6.0
@thanos_6.0 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning it
@christopherjustice6411
@christopherjustice6411 3 жыл бұрын
“I put myself in a pickle Winnie. I’m pickle Rich!” -Neil Richie.
@alexroob5686
@alexroob5686 3 жыл бұрын
Funniest shit I've ever heard
@johnloman4164
@johnloman4164 3 жыл бұрын
“Wubba lubba dub dub”
@Crimethoughtfull
@Crimethoughtfull 3 жыл бұрын
That WINS!!!!
@agactual2
@agactual2 3 жыл бұрын
What I like about Indy and his team is that even though they've essentially being doing these week by week episodes for 7 years now, including The Great War, they still seem to be having the time of their lives doing it. Not to say they don't treat the horrifying subjects they are discussing at times with the seriousness it deserves but you can tell they really found their passion.
@lawrencesmeaton6930
@lawrencesmeaton6930 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoyign the ebb and flow of watching it week to week. It's so clear that some weeks are extremely important and exciting while many others are business as usual. I imagine this natural progression of the war allows them to focus on the important weeks and take some time out when things are simpler.
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 3 жыл бұрын
I'm enjoying this series, Indy makes learning fun and he doesn't gloss over Nazi atrocities like some other historians do.
@gwenaellino-thibault4250
@gwenaellino-thibault4250 3 жыл бұрын
Sides notes here : The Free French Forces were put into Bir Hakeim by the British as they didn't believe in their combat ability. So they wanted them in the most southern position in the line with expectations of the fighting in the north. Well, during the battle, the British commanders asked to "delay the invasion for 24 hours" then "for 3 days" and in the end "to gain as much time as possible". No one expected them to endured more than 5-6 days, but they did it for 2 weeks !
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget a lot of 1st Free French Brigade were colonial troops from Senegal , Chad or elite Foreign Legion units etc even a company of Palestanian Jews. But yes..they prepared their positions very well and made Panzer Army Afrika to fight for every mile of it. Pierre Koenig was a great general no doubt. What is most impressive is their tenacity to hold despite contant Luftwaffe air raids (over 1.300 sorties)
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu not only Palestinian Jews but also German Jews were part of that division. Hence their determination is rather understandable ^^
@willbxtn
@willbxtn 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cancoillotteman "Surrender, Frenchies, and you will be well treated!" "Pretty sure you won't once you find out who I am, I'll pass."
@clesjikoandromas2061
@clesjikoandromas2061 3 жыл бұрын
A few fun facts -The unit maning the AA gun were the fusilier marins who were literal sailors... ... in the middle of a desert -When Rommel arrived he asked the french to surrender, for answer the replied with a cannon -Rommel asked a second time for their surrender by sending a kubelwagon with a german officer to the fort. The sentinel at the door was german... After several minutes the german officer left with another no drove to his lines and... Did I mention the minefield ? The officer at to get back on foot while the legionnary insulted him for "Waking him up" -For 3/4 of the battle the french send convoy for ammo, food Water and evac the wounded. The first day Koenig said to an english driver in of the convoy that he could stay for diner ! -Rommel realized about the convoy. One day he waited that two of them left in the dunes and Rommel send two messerschidt they were both shot down by a AA gun mounted at the back of one of the trucks.
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 3 жыл бұрын
@@clesjikoandromas2061 One ' s gotta love the balls of the Foreign Legion ^^
@EikoHolic
@EikoHolic 3 жыл бұрын
nah nah our losses weren't that bad... but by the way, is your unfinished aircraft carrier for sale? I'm asking for a friend.
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
Man your comment made me laugh 😂 I mean, how did they even think that they could get a carrier around half the world in a time of war?
@mattwoodard2535
@mattwoodard2535 3 жыл бұрын
If they knew the specs of the Graft Zeppelin, I think Japan wouldn't have wanted it even if they got it for free. sm
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattwoodard2535 to be fair to the GZ, it was Germany's very first carrier. No country can build excellent military equipment without prior experience.
@iDeathMaximuMII
@iDeathMaximuMII 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkovacic2608 True, it was commissioned in 1936 & was still in construction by this time. 6 years & they're still building 1 Carrier
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
@@iDeathMaximuMII Early in the war, the GZ would probably have been quite useful, but by 1942, the window of opportunity had passed.
@ludokresh05
@ludokresh05 3 жыл бұрын
How much of Rommel's fame as a commander can be attributed to the incompetence of the British commanders in Northern Africa?
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
I would say %75 percent. Due to Rommels own self glorification and Nazi regime propaganda combined with deification of Rommel and Afrikakorps by Churchill and several British generals (Auchinleck) on field and British press to mask bad command performance , pre war neglect of British army and strategic mistakes of British Army during wartime to keep spirits up along with Churchill's strategic medlling during wartime added with post war Cold War politics to symbolise German military in an honorable way in NATO , Rommel the Supeman myth was born
@timothyhouse1622
@timothyhouse1622 3 жыл бұрын
All of it. Same goes for his success in France in 1940. Don't forget he was going against the BEF then.
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 3 жыл бұрын
"Ironically, one of the reasons for his towering reputation was due to his opponents. While most enemy generals had only ever received short shrift from British leaders, the British built up a myth around this man as a 'genius'. Churchill even went so far as to name him in the House of Commons." BBC Rommel in the Desert text
@theredhunter4997
@theredhunter4997 3 жыл бұрын
well, I would say partly, but to win victories against a numerically superior enemy, you have to be at least a half-decent general it's not like he was winning victory after victory through luck, he simply saw and understood the British weak points and took advantage of them.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
@@theredhunter4997 One of the big reasons is because he was reading US Army Colonel Bonnar Fellers wireless reports sent from Cairo to Washington due to Italian decryption of US State Department Black Code cryption system and second lax radio security of Eighth Army during combat that was decoded by Signal Intercept Company 621
@Tadicuslegion78
@Tadicuslegion78 3 жыл бұрын
Hans: What is that thing!? Karl: *Slaps the barrel of the Gustav Gun* This bad boy we call the Super großes Bügeleisen
@briantarigan7685
@briantarigan7685 3 жыл бұрын
Fo all the effort to bring them and operate them, those big ass Guns are pretty much useless in the siege itself, they never play decisive action, the best thing they did during the siege is a single 60 cm calibre mortar shell from the Karl Gerat self-propelled mortar no. III, nicknamed Thor, knocked out Maxim Gorky's second turret, damaging the weapon. This was the only success of the German super-heavy guns, which did not have an impact commensurate with their expense.
@Tadicuslegion78
@Tadicuslegion78 3 жыл бұрын
@@mangonel Karl: Oh you have no idea
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't that have read "climbs 3-story tall ladder, THEN slaps the barrel"?
@Tadicuslegion78
@Tadicuslegion78 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 Karl: *pulls out megaphone* I said we call this the Super Big Iron!
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@Pantelis Tzimas For a single successful use that tied up a full regiment of troops? Not really. The RAF Tall Boys and Grand Slams were way more effective.
@brianwilliams9605
@brianwilliams9605 3 жыл бұрын
Look up Susan Travers. Bir Hakehim. The first woman to be inducted into the French Foreign Legion and highly decorated. She also served with the legion for 8 years. An absolute heroine.
@fernandoi3389
@fernandoi3389 3 жыл бұрын
If you read the WW 1 book of Rommel you realize this guy was an excellent tactician thinking out of the box , always in front with his men , present where the situation was more critical ( and bullets flew in abundance ) . This kind of leadership inspired a loyalty and sacrifice of those under his command like no other.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
That also made him to miss big picture and staff duties and logistical operations , I mean seems glamorised and romantic leading the front but it is not always indiction of sucessful generalship
@fernandoi3389
@fernandoi3389 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu I agree , but he usually had very capable assistants back in HQ to manage those things in WW 1 and WW 2. Given the inability of Italians to secure basic supplies and even worse fighting capabilities I think Rommel did quite well in Africa against all odds. Considering Rommel's past in WW1 He was maybe the worse option as a commander to work with the Italians though :/
@alonsoquijano649
@alonsoquijano649 3 жыл бұрын
Another piece of equipment Manstein had available to him that I'm disappointed didn't make it into the video was the last surviving 420cm German siege artillery piece from the start of World War I. The gun had been disassembled and hidden from 1918 and hidden in Krupp's facilities at Essen until 1942, when it was taken east to Sevastopol.
@erikrungemadsen2081
@erikrungemadsen2081 3 жыл бұрын
It is incredible what you can find in tool sheds sometimes
@kevinramsey417
@kevinramsey417 3 жыл бұрын
Moustache Man: Sevastapol must fall! Lyudmila Pavlichenko: Oh, I don't think so.
@SpartacusColo
@SpartacusColo 3 жыл бұрын
"Hey bros! We just HAPPEN to be in the market for a new carrier... or five... You've got a really nice one just sitting there! How much you want for it???"
@timothyhouse1622
@timothyhouse1622 3 жыл бұрын
That was actually something new for me, who has a degree in history. I didn't know the Japanese had approached the Germans about buying the carrier. I couldn't even imagine the logistics of trying to get that thing into the Pacific past the Royal and American Navies. LOL
@champagnegascogne9755
@champagnegascogne9755 3 жыл бұрын
Japanese-modified Graf Zeppelin when?
@gildor8866
@gildor8866 3 жыл бұрын
@@timothyhouse1622 The only somewhat possible way I could think of to get that ship to japan would be hoisting the japanese flag an trying to skirt along the north coast of russia. But I am pretty sure there was too much ice at the time.
@SpartacusColo
@SpartacusColo 3 жыл бұрын
@@timothyhouse1622 News to me, too. I really wonder what the response was? And, yes! It would be an epic effort to make delivery had the deal been done. Did Germany simply say, 'Nein!'? Why would they have? The ship was pretty much useless to them. A fat pile of cash, or barrels of oil, would have been of immediate, desperate, use. Or did the realization that getting the ship to Japan would be nearly impossible, torpedo the idea?
@Yora21
@Yora21 3 жыл бұрын
@@gildor8866 Yeah, good luck towing a hulk through the Atlantic and Indian Ocean without getting intercepted.
@GeneralSmitty91
@GeneralSmitty91 3 жыл бұрын
Rommel knew Ritchie better than Ritchie knew himself
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
Mostly due to lax British Eighth Army wireless security and decryption and interception of US Colonal Bonnar Fellers reports about British situation sent by US "Black Code" decoded regularly by Grman Wireless Intercept Company 621 in Afrikakorps HQ
@andrewdempsey12
@andrewdempsey12 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the Japanese were going to get the Graf zeppelin from Germany to Japan in one piece seems like a suicide mission if the deal had went ahead in the end.
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 3 жыл бұрын
Just send it via Amazon?
@larryzigler6812
@larryzigler6812 3 жыл бұрын
Specially since it would have to be towed.
@BenGrem917
@BenGrem917 3 жыл бұрын
Easily done! You slap a Portuguese flag on it and make believe! If you get stopped, do a comedy routine! If they're laughing, they're not shooting!
@JuanPerez-vv5lk
@JuanPerez-vv5lk 3 жыл бұрын
what about forming a carrier strike group, with escort and everything ?
@andrewdempsey12
@andrewdempsey12 3 жыл бұрын
@@JuanPerez-vv5lk Japan or Germany?
@scottaznavourian540
@scottaznavourian540 3 жыл бұрын
Yommomotos failure to change the codes will get himself killed.
@deadcarnivora8648
@deadcarnivora8648 3 жыл бұрын
What an exciting life. Every phones he answers is like "WHAT!!!?"🙀
@nozecone
@nozecone 3 жыл бұрын
Well, there is a war going on ... !
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile the person on the other end of the line is like "Sir, this is a Wendy's. Did you mean to place an order for takeout?"
@arielx.x
@arielx.x 3 жыл бұрын
i love how much these thumbnails have improved recently!
@jason4485
@jason4485 3 жыл бұрын
The USS North Carolina BB55 was a welcomed sight by all at Pearl Harbor! This ship was the biggest and baddest the US Navy had at the time. She can still be visited in Wilmington, North Carolina where she is preserved as a museum ship. It’s very impressive to see!
@crispsirojohn1734
@crispsirojohn1734 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: My grandfather who was on the southest part of Peloponnese at the age of 15-16 noticed quite some landings of british SAS commandos. This part of Peloponnese did not had any german garrison, (mostly because it was not a strategic target for the allies) but one time a British transport ship (with an Italian flag) would come into the port and would take people all the way to Egypt. My grandfather met 3 SAS comandos that came with a small boat, 1 of them was pretty sick but luckily enough my grandfather gave him some goat milk and a bit of food. Also one of them had a radio so i guess it was either an intel mission or they were just patrolling the area for German garrison until the boats had left. I am really glad that my grandfather told me this story, he died a year ago at the age of 91.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
Quite plausible. The Axis never had the troops to keep everything under complete control and watch every mile of coastline. In addition to much of the occupied USSR not really being under their control. The issuing of the "Commando Order" was an expression of frustration as much as anything else. They couldn't stop raids so they killed those they could catch.
@TheFiresloth
@TheFiresloth 3 жыл бұрын
Bir Hakeim is the greatest saving grace of the Free French army during the war. Koenig and his troops has deserved much from the Republic.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
I can't be the only person thinking "wait a sec... the French can fight?" I'm not even trying to be sarcastic or snarky, we just haven't seen it up until now, even in France. It's like they're finally catching up to military tactics post-1918 and figuring out how to counteract the Germans' combined arms assaults.
@samarkand1585
@samarkand1585 3 жыл бұрын
There's Monte Cassino too
@motmot8879
@motmot8879 3 жыл бұрын
@@samarkand1585 Yep, general June brilliantly managed to break the stalemate on the italian front
@samarkand1585
@samarkand1585 3 жыл бұрын
@@motmot8879 Juin
@motmot8879
@motmot8879 3 жыл бұрын
@@samarkand1585 I know, i was using the English name for all the english speakers
@ComboSlicer
@ComboSlicer 3 жыл бұрын
09:05 - the master plan was to say "It's over Rommel, I have the high ground!"
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa that Gustav Cannon thumbnail looks so cool
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love it when a single weapon requires laying kilometers of track and requires an entire regiment to use it.
@MikeJones-qn1gz
@MikeJones-qn1gz 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasconder4703 yeah but it’s strengths!!! Shit could level and the bride city
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeJones-qn1gz Only if you have complete air superiority. Otherwise, TARGET!
@Duke_of_Lorraine
@Duke_of_Lorraine 3 жыл бұрын
Even assuming that Germany had allowed the sale of their aircraft carrier in construction, how was it even remotely realistic to bring her to Japan ? How ? This sounds like the kind of genius idea that Conrad von Hötzendorf could have
@indianajones4321
@indianajones4321 3 жыл бұрын
Big Cadorna move as well
@stc3145
@stc3145 3 жыл бұрын
Hitler would invent a wunderwaffe teleport machine
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
Well , at least they were thinking creatively..well too extremely creatively for their own good but still
@Duke_of_Lorraine
@Duke_of_Lorraine 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu then let's think creatively... The carrier was being built at Kiel, in the Baltic Sea. Meaning that it had to get through either of 2 chokepoints to reach the open sea : either the Kiel canal, assuming the canal's dimensions allow that, or the straits of Denmark. Who says chokepoints means an easy target for air attack. Then, in the North Sea. There's like half the Royal Navy to evade, plus the support of the RAF once spotted. Very high risks of getting sunk, since I don't think Germany would send a large escort for a sold ship. Assuming the Graf Zeppelin makes it to the Atlantic, there is still a lot of hostile ships to avoid. Fuel (already a critical situation for Germany) would also be a major problem since the Graf Zeppelin would litteraly be half the world away from the nearest friendly port. The ship had a theorical range of 14 000 km which might be enough to reach either the southern tip of Africa or South America (Suez and Panama would be closed for obvious reasons) but not enough to reach japanese waters, with still a high risk of being torpedoed on the way. Assuming everything goes well, Japan would then need to send a long range resupply mission through an entire ocean so that the carrier can make it back, through waters they do not control. Or I guess they could try their luck through the frozen Arctic ocean, it almost seems easier all things considered...
@InvertedGigachad
@InvertedGigachad 3 жыл бұрын
This kind of crazy ideas just goes ludicrously well for the Germans. Remember the Sichelschnitt plan or the channel dash?
@matthewbadley5063
@matthewbadley5063 3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to see battles like Sevastapol, which more or less are somewhat defined by a kind of retro fighting, akin to WWI all over again. Using massive amounts of artillery to reduce enemy fortifications. Albeit, at a lesser scale. Some thing happened with Odessa too, and will happen in the Seelow Heights in the future.
@BaronBlackMusic
@BaronBlackMusic 3 жыл бұрын
At Odessa it was even worse as Indie noted back when it happened. The Romanian tactics had not benefited from experience and talented generals like the Germans had and as such were using *actual* WW1 tactics to fight the battle and took staggering losses as a result.
@CarrotConsumer
@CarrotConsumer 3 жыл бұрын
Trench warfare is really just siege warfare on huge scale. It's surprising how similar even ancient accounts of sieges are to WW1.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
Strip away all the fancy new petroleum-powered machines and warfare goes back to what it's always been - men picking up weapons, overcoming their fear and charging at another group of men with weapons and hoping their enemy's ability to overcome their fear is slightly less than theirs.
@MrQ454
@MrQ454 3 жыл бұрын
@@BaronBlackMusic Romanians didn't had many heavy artillery guns there and also fewer tanks than Soviets, also even the airforce was more weaker than German force at Sevastopol but one principal problem was the Soviet capacity to supply and even support from the sea. At Sevastopol there were more better fortification, the Soviets had there casemates and bunkers in the caves, someones here when wrote about tactics have no idea about what they comment, what tactics could use against a fortified mountain?
@garcalej
@garcalej 3 жыл бұрын
Norrie: OY!!! Where's your commanding general!? Soldier: Hidin' in a well, sir. Norrie: Well bugger me, someone go toss a coin in there or get me Lungston!
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
LOL, Norrie was probably thankful for it. "Finally, one less d---ed general to deal with...."
@garcalej
@garcalej 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 😂😂
@elmile824
@elmile824 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode and great work on the battle showcase! I really appreciate that you took your time and didn't cut away too quickly! It really makes it a lot easier to follow, visualise and remember. Thanks, appreciate ya
@kevindoyle1884
@kevindoyle1884 3 жыл бұрын
those rockets were just a marvel, they had a total mechanically designed gyroscope and would be studied immensely after the war to become the new age space rockets. loved the episode.
@CivilWarWeekByWeek
@CivilWarWeekByWeek 3 жыл бұрын
Must it fall, Sevastopol has been so good
@Zen-sx5io
@Zen-sx5io 3 жыл бұрын
Good in what way? Doing a good job defending Itself?
@maciejkamil
@maciejkamil 3 жыл бұрын
Great acts of heroism made by regular soldiers wasted just because their commanders were incompetent. This is the summary of the Gazala line battle.
@riccardopio294
@riccardopio294 3 жыл бұрын
This Is exactly how being italian feel for the whole lenght of the war, except for Gazala and El Alamein.
@Yora21
@Yora21 3 жыл бұрын
"Lions led by donkeys."
@pierre-mariecaulliez6285
@pierre-mariecaulliez6285 3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, the French : "First time ?"
@BenGrem917
@BenGrem917 3 жыл бұрын
@@pierre-mariecaulliez6285 Ah, France's generals...they could've ended the war in Europe if only they'd believed their own intelligence.
@jamespowell9008
@jamespowell9008 3 жыл бұрын
My stepdad served in this war and he passed away on December 27 1986.When i was a young kid growing up in Northeast Baltimore my stepdad would always tell me stories about his tour duty in World War 2.He was a United States Marine and he was so proud and it was also a great honor as he spoke to me to have served for his country.He told me stories about when his life was on the line and the horror and sadness he felt when he witnessed fellow comrades get killed and the horror of them screaming and hollering in pain.He always told me as a kid that War is bad and death is sad and that he did not like killing,but he had no choice and it was you kill or be killed.I asked him was he scared and he told me yes he was and that he also had courage.I learned from my stepdad as a young man growing up in Baltimore,MD how to be a man and I remember one time when I was 11 years old and I was coming home from school one day and I got jumped on by 2 older boys and they beat me down bad and I ran home in pain and scared.When I finally got to to the house with blood running down my face and arm and shoulder hurting and my stepdad was sitting on the porch and he ask me what happen and I told him.When I tried to go in the house he stopped me and I remember he took a large handkerchief out his back pocket and he wet it down with water from the water hose and wipe the blood off my face and he ask me was my arm OK and I said yes and he looked me in my eyes and when I looked into his eyes, I saw courage and bravery and looked mean and serious.Then he told me to go back and fight like a man and stand your ground and I said dad they are to big and strong and he said go back and fight with courage and bravery and win or lose you stood your ground like a man and he told me when I got back home his father told him the same thing when he went to war.
@DonLoco3
@DonLoco3 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to pop by and thank you all for the excellent work you do in each and every episode. As a student of history I am constantly learning new things and your channels have been a grand source. I always had a greater interest in the era of the world wars as I feel they were the deciding factor in what our world became today. A great many of the evils spawned during those times still clings to humanity like a foul stench we've been unable (or worst unwilling) to cleans ourselves of. I ramble but the thought is the same. All of the effort you put into these series shows your love of history and I thank you for sharing that love.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
In 2017, British military author James Holland wrote : "As Rommel said to a captured British officer, 'What difference does it make if you have two tanks to my one, when you spread them out and let me smash them in detail?' That one sentence really did encapsulate the nub of the matter and the failure of the Auk's (Claude Auchinleck's) approach. Frankly, he and his senior commanders should have known better by now" Not to mention Auchinleck and his generals were at Middle East Command for almost a year since July 1941 with ample time at their hands to train his forces and get them oriented to desert warfare and unlike his predecessor Wavell (who had five fronts to deal with from Balkans , East Africa to Western Desert Libya to Iraq and Syria) Auchinleck had only one front to fight : Western Desert and Libya and cream of British Empire resources were priortised in his Middle East Command including new US made medium M3 Grant tanks and British 6 pounder anti tank guns , he had ULTRA access and Eighth Army was numerically superior than Panzer Army AND had defensive defensive ground/minefield advantage to make enemy come to their kill zone. To lose a successive of battles so badly under these conditions requires a special kind of incompatence from Auchinleck and his army commanders (Cunningham , Ritchie , both he himself handpicked despite objections of his own staff) and corps commanders (Norrie , Gott) and their staffs (Eric-Dortman Smith , Corbett). Any Red Army general lost their battles and let Tobruk and Mersa Matruh fall with all their supply depots falling to enemy hands under these conditions would be executed instantly or at least fired in disgrace in Eastern Front. When Montgomery and Alexander arrived to assume command of Middle East and Eighth Army , they were right to sack most of general officers. Bloody useless lot they were.
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 3 жыл бұрын
Thank God for Monty
@rebbeccadickson6099
@rebbeccadickson6099 3 жыл бұрын
Before watching this video, I thought that the Japanese interest in the Graf Zeppelin after the Battle of Midway was just joke on the internet.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
Considering the US had already published their Two-Ocean Navy plan, the Japanese had a pretty good idea what was coming their way. They knew they needed all the carriers they could get (and they only have one large carrier, Taiho, currently on the stocks).
@rebbeccadickson6099
@rebbeccadickson6099 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasconder4703 Their situation certainly was dire, but getting an unfinished German carrier to Japanese waters during war time, is just madness. But I guess the Axis powers are no strangers to madness.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@@rebbeccadickson6099 Well, they could have tried building aircraft carriers out of ice (Project Habakkuk). Actually, I'm surprised the Russians didn't try that one.
@gedeon2696
@gedeon2696 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasconder4703 Actually it was REINFORCED ICE. Not sure what material was used, but definitely more than 'just ice'.
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 3 жыл бұрын
@@gedeon2696 It was pykrete, ice reinforced with sawdust or, in the case of the Mythbusters, newspaper.
@billskinner623
@billskinner623 3 жыл бұрын
I look forward to seeing this every week.
@Jarod-vg9wq
@Jarod-vg9wq 3 жыл бұрын
Indy I can’t thank you enough for this channel you’ve changed my view on history and the world, that being said I can’t wait for your take on operation torch.
@jliller
@jliller 3 жыл бұрын
The two sieges of Sebastapol (Crimean War and WW2) would be a great topic for a Sabaton song.
@DanS044
@DanS044 3 жыл бұрын
What an amazing channel
@perihelion7798
@perihelion7798 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you once again for the greatest WWII series ever produced anywhere. More kudos to all!
@leonardolongolippera7588
@leonardolongolippera7588 3 жыл бұрын
The miniature in this episode is just amazing
@StickWithTrigger
@StickWithTrigger 3 жыл бұрын
Soviets: “whatcha got there” Germans: *Big Dora* “A smoothie”
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 3 жыл бұрын
This tie makes my vision go blurry and I damn it, I love it. 4.5/5
@yourstruly4817
@yourstruly4817 3 жыл бұрын
Today in "Out of the Closets"
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 3 жыл бұрын
@@yourstruly4817 You can make fun of my fondness for ties all you want, I could not care less. But the Timeghost army is an inclusive one, so take your homophobic bullshit somewhere else
@lycaonpictus9662
@lycaonpictus9662 3 жыл бұрын
@@gianniverschueren870 Keep doing your thing Gianni. I think most people get a kick out of your tie reviews.
@604zippo
@604zippo 3 жыл бұрын
@@gianniverschueren870 This channel does a series called "Out of the Foxholes." There is a chance he was playing off that. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grmBiM6YsJi8gGw.html
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 3 жыл бұрын
@@lycaonpictus9662 The day Indy, Astrid or Spartacus ask me to stop, I'll stop immediately.
@alecthesceptic6373
@alecthesceptic6373 3 жыл бұрын
Indy as a WW2 enthusiast I have to say back when I was watching your WW1 series and now your narrative makes is seem like it’s real time and you bring anticipation as to what will happen next! Keep up the good work.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Svendskommentar
@Svendskommentar 3 жыл бұрын
Truly exiting to watch and listen to You in this episode sir, well done. :D
@ryanjackson1999
@ryanjackson1999 3 жыл бұрын
Japan: "Don't worry Germany, it wasn't that bad. This is unrelated but how much you want for that aircraft carrier?"
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 3 жыл бұрын
Just give us a couple of quid and we'll call it quits!
@kellyshistory306
@kellyshistory306 3 жыл бұрын
RAF Bomber Command Weekly Report - June 7th to 12th Night of June 8th/9th: -Essen is targeted for the 4th time this month. The importance of the massive Krupp steel works and other industrial facilities make Essen one of Arthur Harris’ primary targets. -170 aircraft are dispatched, flare marking aircraft were to release blindly on Gee (radio navigation device) fixes. Ground haze once again made visual identification of Essen impossible, the flares were scattered and so was the bombing. 31 bombing photographs from the night cameras show ground detail; only 9 can be plotted and none are within 5 miles of the aiming point. -19 bombers are lost (11.1%). Night fighters are credited with 11 kills, while flak is credited with 6 kills. 35 Squadron suffers heavily, losing four of ten Halifax bombers dispatched. Two complete crews survive fortunately; one crew is picked up from the English channel by RAF search and rescue, the other crew is made prisoner of war. Minelaying on the night of the 7th/8th, 9th/10th, 11th/12th -188 sorties, 4 aircraft lost (2.1%) Copies of the RAF bombing reports for this week can be found here, pages 32 to 35: lancasterbombersinfo.ipage.com/Data/NRR/1942/June-42/mobile/index.html Sources: The Bomber Command War Diaries by Martin Middlebrook and Chris Everitt Nachtjagd Combat Archives: 30 May - 31 December 1942 by Theor Boiten
@jpjpjp453
@jpjpjp453 3 жыл бұрын
Let me guess one of your sources....The Bomber Command War Diaries: An Operational Reference Book, 1939-1945 by Chris Everitt and Martin Middlebrook
@kellyshistory306
@kellyshistory306 3 жыл бұрын
@@jpjpjp453 Oh, yeah forgot to put the sources at the bottom. Same ones as last time.
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
@@kellyshistory306 Do you happen to know the impact of firebombing of city centers on industrial production? From what I have read, industrial production mostly recovered within a few weeks, so did these attacks only cause civilian suffering for no practical gain or was there a sizeable impact? I believe Bomber Command spent over 40 percent of its entire tonnage dropped on burning city centers (please correct me if I'm wrong) Just watched your video on Operation Millenium, excellent work! Subscribed!
@kellyshistory306
@kellyshistory306 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkovacic2608 Its really difficult to know exactly how effective the area bombing campaign was; the British Government only funded an inadequate examination of it (Churchill seemed to want to avoid the topic after the bad PR Dresden created), and the Americans (United States Strategic Bombing Survey) only briefly looked at it because they were more interested in their own precision campaign. I've also seen an argument made that Solly Zuckerman, a British official on both the British and US bombing surveys and a proponent of precision bombing during the war, used his influence to downplay the impact of area bombing in the British and US reports on Allied bombing. I don't know if that is actually true though. There were area's that the firebombing campaign impacted, the US bombing survey noted German steel production plunged in 1943 from planned levels, and that it was solely due to the RAF's bombing of the German cities in the Ruhr where steel production was centered. Also, a number of British area raids managed to plaster German tank factories, gutting production. Notably raids on Berlin in November 1943 hit the plants making StuG assault guns, gutting the factories and basically preventing the production of about 1000 tanks (compared to planned production). On the other hand, the German economy was largely able to absorb the blows and production of all kinds increased as Albert Speer rationalized the mess that was the early war German economy. On the whole, whatever effect area bombing did have, it was much less than hoped for by those planning and running the campaign. There were effects, but much more was expected, so I think it must rated as a disappointment. My own personal view is the main benefit of the Area Bombing campaign is that it built RAF Bomber Command into a truly formidable force that was able to return to precision bombing in 1944 and 1945, where it played an outsized role in destroying the German oil industry, transportation industry, and supported effective the ground armies as they pushed into Germany.
@kellyshistory306
@kellyshistory306 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkovacic2608 Also glad you liked the animation. Thanks for the subscription!
@baracque
@baracque 3 жыл бұрын
So far the best pronunciation of "Lidice" and "Ležáky" in an English-speaking documentary. Thumbs up! And many thanks for the series btw!
@Southsideindy
@Southsideindy 3 жыл бұрын
Well, I did live in Prague for a couple years in the early 1990's...
@jamiekelly4663
@jamiekelly4663 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode as always, i was surprised you didn't cover Operation Squabble from June 12th 1942 when a lone British beaufighter attacked Paris including the Kriegmarine headquarters there, you will probably cover in in your excellent day by day coverage of the war. Thanks
@poiuyt975
@poiuyt975 3 жыл бұрын
The command confusion gives me flasbacks of the Battle of France. Apparently the British command doesn't learn.
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
British army is vastly overrated in my opinion. RN and RAF performed really well and did their job, while the army gets smacked again and again and again.
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkovacic2608 I'm not sure British army is overrated since I've never heard anyone say "British army is good".
@agentorange6085
@agentorange6085 3 жыл бұрын
The British Army held firm at Narvik and would have destroyed the German forces there if the wider circumstances (ie. RN and/or RAF support) had allowed. The British Army line was also not broken in France or Belgium. They retreated in good order to Dunkirk as their allies collapsed and surrendered around them. The RAF and RN stayed home from that one too...
@timcahill4676
@timcahill4676 3 жыл бұрын
@Cal not sure it was Haig’s doing, but the peninsular war and ww1 were the only times I’ll say the british army was top notch
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 3 жыл бұрын
@@timcahill4676 I dont know much about peninsular war, but I dont think there was anything sepcial about British army in WW1. By "top notch" I guess you mean among the best - maybe I missunderstood that. I dont think in WW1 British army was better than German, French, Austrian or any of the Balkan armies - remember they had just fought two major modern wars and had experienced soldiers, NCOs and officers. Technically that places it among the top several armies in the world - but the standard was so bloody low in the rest of the world.
@thanos_6.0
@thanos_6.0 3 жыл бұрын
3:39 Pretty sure, that Turkey was very upset that the US violated their airspace. I wonder if the turkish government send an apology to Germany and Romania, stating that the crossing of their airspace by the US was without their permission
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
Actually they found the wreck of another plane returning from Second Ploesti Raid shot down in 1943 , it is displayed in Istanbul Modern Sciences museum today. Their crews were rescued and treated very well by Turks before repadiated back to Allies via Syria and Iraq
@z000ey
@z000ey 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, since the airports used were in Egypt I wondered immediately if Turkey airspace was used. In '43 when they flew from Libya they didn't cross Turkey though.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
Turkey allowed Axis warships through the Bosphorus, a major reason for the decline in Soviet-Turkish relations during the war. At this point the Turks were more afraid of Germany and allowed the warships through to keep the Axis off their case, but the USSR government was angered by it.
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 3 жыл бұрын
Was there a notion of national airspace back then in the same wa we have it today? I mean most world's countries didn't have RADAR and half of the world had only a couple squadrons of WW1 or mid-war era planes. They wouldn't even know someone was flying overhead if they flew high enough.
@z000ey
@z000ey 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperLusername of course there was. Switzerland had many incursions of Allied bombers flying raids into Germany, and several times had downed Allied warplanes. Also it got bombed (by accident supposedly) by Allies, although it may well have been fake accidents in order to "tell2 the swiss to not fuss bout the bombers flying over...
@xiaodre
@xiaodre 2 жыл бұрын
love these vids! thanks partner
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support! Glad you enjoy our content.
@bpetrosoff
@bpetrosoff 3 жыл бұрын
The recent episodes are incredible. The middle of the war (‘40-‘43) had some of my favorite and most interesting events. The death of the anthropoid is interesting. The story about how they rooted out those conspirators is worth telling.
@gordusmaximus4990
@gordusmaximus4990 3 жыл бұрын
Today if Barbarossa failed, seems pretty obvious the war is doomed. But looking at the time at these events the war seemed still very unclear.
@caryblack5985
@caryblack5985 3 жыл бұрын
Precisely. Nobody at that time could predict the future. The Axis seem to be on top in North Africa and the USSR. The Japanese advances have been stooped but no one knows if they will be defeated or how long it will take.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
I think all of the leaders of the warring countries knew which way the war would go by this time. Even if they hadn't figured it out back in 1941 when the Wehrmacht got shredded and failed to reach Moscow, they definitely would have known after Midway. Both Germany and Japan had very limited time and resources, they had to win fast or the war would turn into a grinding stalemate which the allies knew they'd lose once they had to battle against American industrial capacity. Once they both failed to win their quick victories, it was over for them.
@Yora21
@Yora21 3 жыл бұрын
The only people who knew how desperate the German supply situation was getting where the Germans. And they weren't going to tell their enemies.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
Apart from a few blips, mainly defeat in front of Moscow, the Germans still looked pretty unbeatable at this point.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
A German poster, issued sometime around September 1942, showed a map of Europe with most of it under German control, right up to Stalingrad, and had the heading "The New Europe Is Invincible!" It was a sort of depiction of the high-water mark of the Third Reich. In reality, final victory had eluded its grasp nearly a year earlier.
@hannahskipper2764
@hannahskipper2764 3 жыл бұрын
Rommel: I'm so good, I'm bad! Von Manstein: Dude, I'm tryin' alright.
@blueberrypirate3601
@blueberrypirate3601 3 жыл бұрын
The Tommies have smashed our washing line again.😂
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 3 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair to Manstein, he if going against a better organized enemy in a fortified defense line. Rommel is just sealclubbing
@iDeathMaximuMII
@iDeathMaximuMII 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperLusername Rommel: *Beating the shit out of the British in North Africa* Manstein: *Beating his head over & over again until Sevastopol falls*
@baldpdeng2035
@baldpdeng2035 3 жыл бұрын
I am a simple man. I hear Aris Velouchiotis I press like. I am an enthusiast, amateur researcher of the Greek resistance. If you need any help e.g. on pronounciations, let me know, I can help
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 3 жыл бұрын
Do have any info on Greek SAS?
@baldpdeng2035
@baldpdeng2035 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickdanger3802 Well not that much. I know that there was a greek regiment in North Africa and they may participate in a battle that may happen in El Alamein. But apart from that I know that they were saved from action because they were destined to "suppress" The "communist danger" Back home
@nickdanger3802
@nickdanger3802 3 жыл бұрын
"The Sacred Band or Sacred Squadron (Greek: Ιερός Λόχος) was a Greek special forces unit formed in 1942 in the Middle East, composed entirely of Greek officers and officer cadets under the command of Col. Christodoulos Tsigantes. It fought alongside the SAS in the Western Desert and the Aegean, as well as with General Leclerc's Free French Forces in Tunisia." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_(World_War_II)
@cheriefsadeksadek2108
@cheriefsadeksadek2108 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work guys absolutely wonderful , All Support to you guys are time ghost history
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@gustavchambert7072
@gustavchambert7072 3 жыл бұрын
I have to say, these intro sequences are gold. Edit: what were the Japanese smoking? Just how exactly did they envision that the Graf Zeppelin would be transferred to the pacific?
@alexandercaires5921
@alexandercaires5921 3 жыл бұрын
As someone said above, have a neutral nation fly their flag on it.
@Isometrix116
@Isometrix116 3 жыл бұрын
Usually, I feel a sense of sadness when people die in this war. Most of them were fighting for things they don’t understand. With Heydrich though, I felt relief, maybe even satisfaction, that such a violent and awful man met such a violent and painful end. I expect that this will only become more common as more of the Nazi high command die.
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 3 жыл бұрын
Many believe Himmler ordered the doctors not to treat Heyrich's wounds, he saw Heydrich as a threat to his power base and wanted him out of the way. If the surgeons had treated Heydrich they'd've been frogmarched off to the firing squad.
@robertoler3795
@robertoler3795 3 жыл бұрын
superb RGO
@peterd3330
@peterd3330 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I got a bit destracted by what was written on the back of that chair.
@rabihrac
@rabihrac 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the faces of the Japanese requesting to buy the German aircraft carrier under construction! Great episode Indy, one of the best!
@ohppig1
@ohppig1 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a special on the Chicago Tribune and how its editors hate for Roosevelt frequently led them to endanger US operations.
@gurpreetsinghbala5663
@gurpreetsinghbala5663 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@gregchiropolos9885
@gregchiropolos9885 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын
@Greg Chiropolos you're very welcome
@MrNailbrain
@MrNailbrain 3 жыл бұрын
The British command really makes me wonder how it is the Italians and the French who got branded as inept...
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair Italians failed in every campaign they waged and French were utterly defeated and theirt goverment surrendered. British Army was being led by mostly idiots but they are still in field and wrapped a few campaigns like East Africa , Syria etc and both Royal Navy and RAF are performing well so far.
@joey8062
@joey8062 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu wtf
@gedeon2696
@gedeon2696 3 жыл бұрын
@Cal Polish were the first to crack into 'enigma'. It was their work that gave the british a good start in dealing with enigma. As for "the british were excellant planners" = Dieppe Raid !! It was Britain's "Colonials" that did the hard/dirty work !!
@cheriefsadeksadek2108
@cheriefsadeksadek2108 3 жыл бұрын
What Rommel and the Afrikacorps did Here with overwhelming British force and armoured vehicles is truly a great military feat
@michaelschmid9567
@michaelschmid9567 3 жыл бұрын
yep, that's why Rommel become so legendary, as the best general in WW2. Next von Mannstein, Guderian and Kesselring.
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelschmid9567 Rommel is vastly overrated. He faced the W-Allies and was a glory hound, so we know him.
@michaelschmid9567
@michaelschmid9567 3 жыл бұрын
@@PalleRasmussen I disagree. No other general showed such an impressive individual military instinct, as Rommel did. Show me an other UK or US general, who had such skills and instinct.
@cheriefsadeksadek2108
@cheriefsadeksadek2108 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelschmid9567 I think Von manstein is the best and then Rommel and guderian and then Gothard Heinrici and Walther Model they are truly Underrated masters of defense
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelschmid9567 Rommel's fame was vastly inflated with wartime and post war propaganda especially in English speaking nations due to varierty of reasons. After June 1942 , he did not win a single battle (except Battle of Kasserine Pass where German effort strategically failed anyhow after routing the opposition operationally) and only displayed as romantic doomed honorable indefatigable foe because he and Kesselring were only generals Western Allies faced till 1944 summer.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 3 жыл бұрын
I think the phone calls are my favourite part of this series. A compilation could be fun.
@joey8062
@joey8062 3 жыл бұрын
The mid June convoys are pretty interesting, can't wait until next week
@markmierzejewski9534
@markmierzejewski9534 3 жыл бұрын
Each shell is the size of a volkswagen... Yes but we call it “ volksschale “
@theholyinquisition389
@theholyinquisition389 3 жыл бұрын
It would be Volksgranate in this case
@BillyMartin4Life
@BillyMartin4Life 3 жыл бұрын
I am going crazy, or does it sound like someone coughed at around 8:42? lol
@gunman47
@gunman47 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I heard that too, didn't notice it the first time round. Sharp hearing there!
@Perkelenaattori
@Perkelenaattori 3 жыл бұрын
You have such sharp hearing that your ancestors must've been prison guards at Stalag Luft.
@JustSomeCanuck
@JustSomeCanuck 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent episode. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a Battle of Midway poster to hang up. It looks awesome!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@theoneduckson2312
@theoneduckson2312 3 жыл бұрын
I love Indies acting. It makes me smile when he acts confused on the phone as if he was having an actual conversation:)
@Valdagast
@Valdagast 3 жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for the 8th Army.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
Don't be. Until Alexander / Montgomery duo come in and sack whole donkey brigade (Auchinleck , Corbett , Eric Dorman Smith , Schaeffer , Norrie , Messervy , Lumsden ) leading them , entire Middle East Command and Eighth Army were under command of utter morons , and morons is the exact description I choose about them without apology (at least Gott fell in action with honor and Ritchie was picked as a scapegoat by Auchinleck to be fired after Tobruk fell to mask the fact that Auchinleck appointed Ritchie and kept him in that position he was not accustomed to despite objections of his own staff , intending "to hold Ritchie's hand" as if he was a toddler , undermine his field commanders authority and command the army all the way from Cairo. The cheatau generalship of worst kind)
@michaelkovacic2608
@michaelkovacic2608 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu and even then, 8th army relied heavily on superior numbers. I have a lot of respect for the RN and RAF, but aside from operations like Compass, the British army on the whole was pretty much a joke. The other services contributed much more to victory in WW2 than the army did, despite being a heavy burden on the very limited British manpower.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkovacic2608 British Army actually had some good coups despite its small size and convential and stupid commanders , like SAS (on 7-8 June 192 SAS British and Free French teams destroyed 50+ German aircraft on night raids in Crete for example) but the command of it in general is learning and reforming very slow and painfully , eliminating incompatents too slowly , suffering wasterful , excessive casaulties
@lovablesnowman
@lovablesnowman 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu to be fair Ritchie actually went on to be a competent Corp commander in France in 44-45. Monty gave him a chance at redemption because being sacked by the Auk wasn't a black mark in Montys eyes
@burimfazliu3102
@burimfazliu3102 3 жыл бұрын
I'm reminded a little of May 1940 when everything went into the realm of farce
@Souleman561
@Souleman561 2 жыл бұрын
Channel deserve so many more subs but soon enough it will be a million, congrats and I'll see you in Korean, then in veitnam please lol
@Buffaloc
@Buffaloc 3 жыл бұрын
'I just make it go up and I don't care where it comes down' Werner Von Braun
@caryblack5985
@caryblack5985 3 жыл бұрын
An easy way to discalim responsibility for the death and damage a weapon causes.
@naveenraj2008eee
@naveenraj2008eee 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Indy Another interesting week. 138 tanks lost.. Do British really working to win? Looks like Rommel might win.. And big artillery,never hear of.. Thanks to you i able to get valuable information.. Thanks team..🙏👍
@blueberrypirate3601
@blueberrypirate3601 3 жыл бұрын
Musso waves from the sidelines
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 3 жыл бұрын
I liked the phone calls Indy does at the start of each video. They're amusing.
@playstationweeb1280
@playstationweeb1280 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up Good work never dispoint 👌
@pierre-mariecaulliez6285
@pierre-mariecaulliez6285 3 жыл бұрын
French Foreign Legionaire : "we, literally, bought you as much time as we could ! Are you ready ?" ... ... **facepalm**
@johnlepant6953
@johnlepant6953 3 жыл бұрын
AFRIKA CORPS were able to recover and repair many of their damaged tanks and vehicles and put them back into service. The British were unable to do that as they did not control the battlefield. That is how Rommel was able to maintain his attacks. ;-)
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
True. When Panzer Army Afrika repair services and shops were destroyed during Second Battle of Alamein in October November 1942 the tables turned other way around when Eighth Army recovery and repair services recovered and repaired 350 of 500 knocked out tanks within one week
@TheSphat
@TheSphat 3 жыл бұрын
nice writing! I like euch!
@beachboy0505
@beachboy0505 3 жыл бұрын
Great video 📹 Great
@ArthurLnz
@ArthurLnz 3 жыл бұрын
French resistance at Bir Hakeim... Would this deserve a Fee French flag displayed with the other allied flags in the background ? :D
@darvennej4495
@darvennej4495 3 жыл бұрын
The Graf Zeppelin would have became ""Rirīpaddo no ushigaeru"" Bullfrog on a Lilypad ? or just Riripaddo ? It is good it never happened ,though one of the "what IF''s I would await as it goes against the US Navy !
@benheisen2135
@benheisen2135 3 жыл бұрын
I do hope you guys make a physical copy of all of this. It would be amazing to own. The Great War, Between two wars , World War Two and everything else!
@danielgreen3715
@danielgreen3715 3 жыл бұрын
Its Getting a bit of a dodgy wicket out in the Desert for 30 corps and the Garrison at Tobruk!!
@walsh451
@walsh451 3 жыл бұрын
Britain had the largest Empire the world had ever seen but WW1 ensured she would never have the man power to defend it from multiple attacks, spread far too thin that is being shown to the world.
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 3 жыл бұрын
Another week, another triple figure tank loss
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