WORTH THE £40K+ PRICE TAG? | 2023 MK4.5 'FACELIFT' FORD FOCUS ST
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The facelift follows onto the Focus platform, technically dubbing it as the Mk4.5 generation
Today's full review is seeing how the price tag and the new auto torque converter take away the driving experience we are familar with when behind the wheel of a Focus ST
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0:00 | Pre-Video Hook
0:33 | Channel Intro / Today's Sponsor
0:50 | Introducing the Focus ST!
2:52 | Quickfire impressions
3:30 | Bold Tyre Choice?
4:28 | Impressions on braking performance
5:00 | Feeling out the ST's performance & drive modes
8:17 | Ride qualities in both normal & sport modes
9:30 | Auto box impressions
12:02 | Changes over a pre-facelift car
15:42 | IDIOT EXPOSED ALERT
16:17 | Reflecting on the price tag
18:06 | Finding a B Road for a hoon!
20:10 | Are new cars taking away the fun?
22:28 | Conclusion / thanks for watching!
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@drsmileyjedi Жыл бұрын
Interesting review but very honest. I ordered my ST back in January this year and looks like I won’t get the car til this coming January. The price has certainly gone up; I ordered the magnetic plus HUD, panoramic roof, blind spot, driver assist pack, performance pack and park assist. With a dealer £500 off, I have a total price of £36,500 (plus I’ll get around £2k back trading in my current car). Looks like I got a good deal; as you say £40k is too much. I’ve gone for auto, partly because I’m getting older and lazier but then there is still manual mode with the paddles for a bit of fun!
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, inflation has lost control, it seems Crazy you've waited almost a year for the car 😱 Nothing wrong at all with choosing the Auto, even my battle worn knees struggle to handle the clutch these days 🙈 Thanks for watching, hope you don't wait too much longer
@JonathanMcCormack Жыл бұрын
We ordered ours January 2021 and it got built in November. Same colour as yours. Arrives in a few weeks, currently it’s at a dock in Holland.
@dill8498 Жыл бұрын
I ordered mine this year on February 1st, the dealer told me it will take about 10-12 months … and last week he phoned me telling me that it was built on March 2nd… I will get it next week. The market is so weird at the moment…
@davidlewis7516 11 ай бұрын
Buy one (manual) stuff the price, just go to mountune and get the 360bhp upgrade. Now that's a flying machine with a sub 5 sec time to 62.....wheeeeee.
@PocketRockets 11 ай бұрын
I agree David, 6 speed manual is a better suited application to the Focus ST More so with goodies added for that extra spice 🔥 Thanks for watching, you're always welcome back to the channel when talking about car modifications 👍🏼🤣
@davidjennings8948 Жыл бұрын
Great review! I've just placed my order on one, now just a 6-9 month wait!
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
6-9 months wait! That's patience on a whole new level 🙈 Well worth the wait, you'll thoroughly enjoy it when it's arrives Thanks for watching David 👍🏼
@SkitsFrenetic Жыл бұрын
Great video 👊🏾
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris (great name you have, just like mine 😀)
@iamryanlittle Жыл бұрын
Yo, PocketRockets! Thank you for featuring my music throughout your video. It's always an honor for me.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
No worries at all Ryan! Top G, better music in the game, love using it in my videos Cheers for stopping by too 👊🏼
@andrewdent696 Жыл бұрын
Further to the price, if you go over the £40k with the extras, you will pay additional road tax for 5 years. Don't press those extras guys.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Oh yes! Good point Andrew I forgot about that, luxury car tax 👎🏼 Thanks for bringing that up!
@derekwhyle1884 Жыл бұрын
Just got to consider what equipment I can get for
@nigelsutton6919 Жыл бұрын
I got the Auto. Had it 6 months and love it.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
It's not actually that bad, the more I lived with the car I started to enjoy it more, especially having no clutch pedal in start stop traffic Thanks for watching Nigel 👍🏼
@robstaples6649 Жыл бұрын
Good video and review. Ive got a low miles 20 plate manual, and at £25k from a main dealer makes a lot more sense than £40k new. I think theyre great cars, but new cars are all silly money, and the Focus is no exception. Will go over to the sub button now. Keep up the good work. 👍
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob, glad you liked the review Indeed, the car market is silly! But at least you managed to get a good deal on a used one - a cracking car especially as a 6 speed manual 👍🏼 Appreciate the sub, thank you very much 😊
@GMT439 7 ай бұрын
@@PocketRockets Ford are not known for great automatic transmissions of late. So I'd say wait a few years and see if the transmission is reliable.
@PocketRockets 7 ай бұрын
@GMT439 Yeah I'd say so, in comparison to rivals Ford are definietly behind
@donoghue666 11 ай бұрын
Honest review. i ordered this just yesterday, but managed to wangle 3500 discount off brand new. taking it back down to the price it was so i picked it up. Im moving from the fiesta mk7 to this. I think it really is a 35k car top with all specs and should be the classic ford affordable prices
@PocketRockets 11 ай бұрын
Congrats on the purchase and getting some money off! A nice upgrade from the Mk7 👍 Thanks for watching
@regenmeister3034 9 ай бұрын
35k car? Dude, it's a f*cking Ford. You know the saying, fools and their money are easily parted...
@kevinwong6266 Жыл бұрын
Interesting point about the Pirelli P Zero tyres, Hyundai has also opted for them too on the i30n. Wonder if it’s cost cutting or supply chain issues?
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Yes correct Kevin! Funnily enough, I tested an i30N against a pre facelift Focus ST (that ran Pilot Sport 4S) and the i30N had a Pirelli P Zeros 🤷🏽♂️ God knows their reasoning behind it Thanks for watching and commenting! 👍🏼
@Tom2theY Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets Because the Latest version has a track pack with track variant of the the P Zeros
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
@@Tom2theY I know Tom but this car wasn't specified with the Track Pack, if it was you'd see the Forged wheels as a giveaway (same wheels on the Limited run Focus STs Not sure why this particular car had P Zeros on it to start with Thanks for commenting & watching 👍
@jackjames3702 Жыл бұрын
I have one on order, my biggest gripe is that they changed the cup holders 🤣 I prefer the ones in a manual that you can cover!
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
HAHAHA! Cup holders are the number one priority in any car Congrats on the purchase, enjoy it! Mega car Thanks for watching Jack
@fantasyproduct1042 Жыл бұрын
Subbed. I have a 20 plate. Love it!!!!
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Very kind, thank you! 👍
@kkiwi54 11 ай бұрын
I wouldn't have thought of a Ford Focus as a "Pocket Rocket", it's actually wider and taller than an old Ford Granada which was considered a large car (a bit shorter though ;)
@PocketRockets 11 ай бұрын
Still a hot hatch although cant stop thinking about the good old days of no nonsense small fast Ford's Thanks for watching!
@dungareesareforfools Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue with auto boxes, especially in performance cars, is that they're unpredictable to the point of being dangerous. Several times auto boxes have tried to kill me by kicking down when least expected, delivering a massive kick of unexpected torque. I don't understand why they can't be made to hold the gear when mid corner! Also, what the hell are Ford thinking fitting those tyres over the Michelins? I have those on my Mustang, I can't wait to get shut of them. They're deadly below about 10 degrees C.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
It's mainly down to being a torque convertor, but from experience, it's how they are programmed by the manufacturer Wasn't so bad in the Focus to be fair especially in Sport mode but miles apart from something like the I30N with its DCT box Yes P Zeros in the UK I think is a no no, myself and Car Obsession found this out in the i30N that ran P Zeros on a wet cold English day 👎🏼 Thanks for watching!
@keithlestrange4249 Жыл бұрын
New to your channel ... Will enjoy more vids to come
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Welcome Keith! Thanks for joining 👊🏼
@keithlestrange4249 Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets liked the ford vids as im a ford guy but yeh if that focus is 40k+ in the uk its going to 55-60 in Ireland where i live ....def not worth it ..ill be looking at a prev model ..10/10 on the video
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
@keithlestrange4249 Likewise, I love a Fast Ford, I own one but pricing has gone silly as you know these days You're going the right way looking at prefaclift, no major difference between one and a Facelift in reality I'll be hopefully concentrating more on my Fiesta (video wise) in the New Year 👍🏼
@keithlestrange4249 Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets sweet !
@chrismullin1 Жыл бұрын
So my question is...which alternative is there for 40k which can be considered?
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
i30N 👍🏼
@dotnetdevni Жыл бұрын
But the whole point of the st is being able to reve your engine how does an automatic fair in that?
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Revs out like the manual version (as long as you have the box in Manual mode so you have the control) Stick to manual, it's a better application and feels better too!
@joystation1 Жыл бұрын
Slippery mode is for when the road could be slippery eg when it's been snowing or icy / slushy. Power delivery is softened so less chance of losing traction in slippery conditions so it will help you when pulling away or doing a hill start. Don't like the Kermit green paint colour.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
I know Gary, just doesn't make sense in a FWD car to me The Mean Green paint does indeed split opinions, each to their own - good thing Ford allow you to choose other colours Thanks for watching Gary!
@W.J.Blythe 3 ай бұрын
I’ve never got my head round turning traction control off when it’s snowing, but then again I’m getting on a bit, my mode of transport is a focus active x auto which I quite like and which I think likes me 😬
@mikeh6096 Жыл бұрын
Good video. But you need to have a look on the market, you will not get anything cheaper. All hot hatches cost this much now. I went for manual . Tested few before I got mine and none of what I was interested in didn't do better job then this. Choice was between Megane, I30 and Civic. And
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Sorry Mike incorrect, you can get a Hyundai i30N for sub £35k and I've tested both and found the i30N to be a more engaging experience (tested both on the same day & roads) If you mean Civic Type R, that wipes the floor with every hot hatch on the market The Focus ST isn't bad but when comparing other cars on the market, it certainly isn't the best option especially on price in this current climate Thanks for watching Mike and sharing your kind/constructive thoughts, all the best
@mikeh6096 Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets Cheers for kind words. I30 auto comes to 37 something. Anyway asked around so I had a decent deal. Managed to get around £2100 off final price. Shame that Track package wasn't available then. Civic, well I really didn't like how it looks and £47k price tag. Megane only automatic. I didn't even realise they stopped using manual gearboxes. But it was fun to drive. Keep up the good work. Take care
@andrewdent696 Жыл бұрын
My mate has just placed his order. £34.700 with 0% over 2 years. That includes mean green but nothing else. Autobid....which goes through a main dealer.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
That's good going, dealer must be desperate to meet sales targets 🙈 As I said before Andrew, I'm quoting full retail pricing by the manufacturer. I'm going to shop around finding discounted pricing to undercut the actual manufacturer that have given me their car to test But this highlights potential buyers can shop around and get a better deal, it's a win win for everyone 👍🏼
@adamspencer95 Жыл бұрын
I got mine for a little over 33k 😂
@rjelliott5314 Ай бұрын
Im getting one soon 🎉
@PocketRockets Ай бұрын
Woooo! You'll love it 👌🏼
@silverpro8356 Жыл бұрын
In Australia the dealers are dreaming with how much they are asking for these 40k+ for a focus they caN shove it.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
A big disappointment I know 👎🏼 if it means anything, it's still a cracking package, but it's up against some strong competition Thanks for watching!
@dotnetdevni Жыл бұрын
The fact all these cars are above 40 k now is that the upper celling is 39,999 for the 175 a year road tax above the 40 k and u pay the full road tax
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Cars over £40k, it's called 'Luxury Car Tax' so you get hit more based on value on top of CO2 emissions
@anilkalsi6026 Жыл бұрын
I struggle to get my manual one to pop and crack. Not sure though if it’s too new still as only done 800 miles so far.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Do you use it in Sport Mode?
@anilkalsi6026 Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets yeah pretty much most of the time. I can get it to do more in race but proper stiff on the roads round my way
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Exhaust needs some running in or it's just exhaust filters preventing it from doing it more Means only one thing - aftermarket exhaust 😈
@ianwalton5156 11 ай бұрын
Ridiculous money, I specced one recently & went over £42k, no chance I'm paying that for a Focus
@PocketRockets 11 ай бұрын
I know Ian, it's eye watering but at some others in the comments have said, you can shop around on a few websites and get money off retail prices but saying that even with discounts it's still mental! You're better off with a Mk2 Focus ST instead, can't beat a five pot rumble! 😀 Thanks for watching!
@paulgriffiths472 Жыл бұрын
Would you have this car over a mini JCW love to know Gary
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Focus is a fair bit bigger and more practical than a Mini JCW, a better comparison would be against the Fiesta rather than the Focus P.S. Who's Gary? 👀 Thanks for watching 👍
@CarazyDiamond Жыл бұрын
Isn’t there a manual mode in the transmission to override the automatic shifts? I bet manual transmission is only a state of mind - a Johnny Bravo mentality. Manual transmission is a more complex because of clutch and gear pairing. There are very cars where a sweet spot maintained. Even 2 Civic Type R wouldn’t have same clutch and shift tuning.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Yes, you can select manual mode and shift yourself But still doesn't beat a manual shifter where you can rev match Thanks for watching 👍🏼
@SurgeDashcam 10 ай бұрын
Wasnt the last ST 28-32k tops? Has inflation really hit these cars that hard?
@PocketRockets 10 ай бұрын
Unfortunately so, a massive increase in cost 👎🏼 Thanks for watching
@seanreddington4134 5 ай бұрын
The wet mode really does help drive it in the wet
@PocketRockets 4 ай бұрын
Yes, wet mode limits throttle application to make it easier to apply power 👍 Thanks for watching Sean
@TheDarrenP Жыл бұрын
All about the ££ that why they want to go into EV SUV like most car companies, use to be selling in numbers can not see people buying or leasing new cars at these prices, even used cars are crazy, a second had old 1lte run-arounds are 3.5 to 5.5k atm
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
We live in clown world for sure Darren 🙈🤡 The glory days of the Automobile seem to be disappearing, I'm afraid 😨 Thanks for watching 👍🏼
@RySco24 Жыл бұрын
It’s a £30k car, the car market is bonkers at the minute.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
I know, sad times 😓 Thanks for stopping by to watch 👍🏼
@rocfella Жыл бұрын
if it was RS cool, for ST way too much money
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
It has a lot of character from the Mk3 RS personally (I owned one) minus the AWD system of course But yes it's a lot of money for a ST product, and could only imagine a Mk4 RS being £50+k for Ford to make it viable probably making it the sole reason behind not going into production unfortunately Thanks for watching!
@regenmeister3034 9 ай бұрын
40k for a Ford, lmao. I'll pass...
@PocketRockets 9 ай бұрын
That's most people's opinion to the price 🙈 Thanks for watching!
@clyde2598 4 ай бұрын
More than £40k. As you’ll have to pay the VED luxury car supplement. Anyone who buys a new car that has a list price of £40k or over has to pay £390 for 5 years from the second time the car is taxed. That’s on top of the £190 you would usually pay.
@EssexSt18 Жыл бұрын
Not worth 40k sorry u can get so many car for that price also there are being stopped next year so no new ones apart from this year's
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Focus platform will still be available next year, it is the Fiesta that won't be from Summer 2023 Thanks for watching
@rich9774 Жыл бұрын
Or 50k for fl5 seems ford are copying honda pricing .ol
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Haha! It's almost like that have a big conference together on how to fleece everyone 🤣🙈
@davidbryant5881 9 ай бұрын
Nice car but that's a SxxxxT colour
@PocketRockets 9 ай бұрын
What colour would you choose David? Thanks for watching
@ronburgundy4375 Жыл бұрын
Oh look a car they took away from the USA and it's an American brand... same thing with the rs we got that never reached its full potential
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
The actual Ron Burgundy, I've completed life 🙈🤣👍🏼 Never understood Ford holding back their Performance models from you guys Stateside, they certainly don't make the best choices in Europe either (cancelling Fiesta, not building a Fiesta RS, no Mk4 Focus RS and the list goes on) Thanks for watching, make sure you drop a shout out about my channel on your next news broadcast haha!
@lizichell2 Жыл бұрын
£40 k for a glorified training shoe wwwooooaaattttt
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Training shoe 🤣🤣🤣 I like that description, made me chuckle Thanks for watching Bill!
@markiebud247 Жыл бұрын
£40k and a single tone horn…
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Can't beat an old Dixie horn 🤣 Thanks for watching
@matthale5526 Жыл бұрын
Did you want it to play la cuca racha??
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
@@matthale5526 🤣🤣🤣
@teamtempest844 Жыл бұрын
After attempting to drive the MK4 as a daily driver for £27k with blis, hud, performance pack etc... its been so unreliable I wouldn't pay anything over that for one! Awful experience owning the early MK4 ST.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
What unreliability have you been struck with?
@teamtempest844 Жыл бұрын
@PocketRockets Unable to use as a daily driver as planned. Headlights, software updates, error warnings a plenty, key not recognised, pre-collision assist not working, HUD faulty, if car starts no display... disingenuous stealership... front diff setup allegedly missing two bolts on third service but never noticed on previous two so only noticed certain things when out of warranty... even with discount I'd never buy a Ford again, including the new VW platform options.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Bloody hell! Sounds like a nightmare. Did you buy it new or second-hand? I've never heard of unreliability to that level Sorry to hear that!
@teamtempest844 Жыл бұрын
@PocketRockets New purchase 2019 1st owner, including BLIS, HUD, performance pack and phone charger.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
Wow, very odd! How many miles did you cover in it?
@cyclemartin4073 Жыл бұрын
No I don’t think Ford have the quality of the Build, a three year old ST focus Has Rattles , Gear leaver squeaks , Window squeals ,. Suspension clonks , Clutch Knackered on 10.5k miles . Their Engineers are Comedians . The dealerships dust their hands of you once you’ve bought the car. Don’t want to fix things on Warranty . Their disorganised . Clowns .
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
I feel the quality of new cars has sloped downhill across most mainstream manufacturers But saying that the Focus tested wasn't bad in terms of build quality. However, it's difficult for me to gauge that review in 3/4 years' time Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts
@cyclemartin4073 Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets Yes that is the issue fraud seems nice but IMO as it gets down the road in age it shows up the poor quality . And Their quite complicated now with electronics so dealers are the only ones who know how to fix things but they don’t like too, they take your money diagnosis and tell you nothing is wrong . The whole customer service thing is 💩
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
@cyclemartin4073 You say this about I.C.E powered cars, imagine 3/4 year high mileage EVs 🙈🤣
@cyclemartin4073 Жыл бұрын
@@PocketRockets Well yeah 🙄, that’s Another concern I had regarding buy in a used hybrid. I quite fancied a Golf GTE, but I was worried about battery degradation.
@PocketRockets Жыл бұрын
@cyclemartin4073 A subject that certainly needs some light shed on it to educate people more about the downfalls and cost ls associated Not considered a normal petrol Golf, any particular reason you want a Hybrid?
@peterkirgan2921 Ай бұрын
Should never have been built!! Absolutely shithouse ! The laser kq series was better !!
@PocketRockets 29 күн бұрын
Interesting you say that, I seem to see this response quite often regarding the Mk4 Focus ST - what experiences have you had with it? Thanks for watching Peter
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