In a slowish final USA athlete Wottle ran a perfectly judged even pace ,picking off the other athletes down the home straight who quite simply went too early and subsequently ran out of steam.
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@mikenshirl2 ай бұрын
Every time I watch this, I’m afraid Wottle won’t quite make it to the line first, but he always wins.
@starmersbarber3 жыл бұрын
I reckon this is one of the greatest performances in history. Regardless of nationality, I love a maverick in sport...and Dave Wottle will always be a hero of mine.
@BigPermDawg9 ай бұрын
The power of even splits. Patience and he did not waste time and energy running wide. He stayed in lane one until the last 100. He maneuvered masterfully to avoid breaking stride. He had more left because he didn’t go out fast. Amazing race!
@DadsvDads3 ай бұрын
Thanks for telling us what we just watched.
@BigPermDawg24 күн бұрын
You’re welcome.
@austinley608515 күн бұрын
@@DadsvDadseh it’s actually not obvious to most people that his splits were even. It’s looks like the last 200 meters is flying fast.
@69skobie4312 сағат бұрын
He ran a positive split, so saved reserves on the opening lap for a very fast finish. He ran @54.3 seconds for the opening lap and @51.5 seconds for the last lap.
@418cjpaul5 жыл бұрын
I have watched this at least 100 times and never tire of doing so
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@418cjpaul3 жыл бұрын
@@APBCTechnique yes he was slightly bumped but this is not uncommon in races like this
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
@@418cjpaul I’ve never seen anyone run into another athlete from the bend. The Russian was impeded & fouled by the German. Not slightly bumped, he lost 5m instantly and then was bumped again going back. The American was totally just lucky. Without this foul he would have been second. Total gold medal winning fluke. Feel very sorry for the Russian as he was clearly the better runner. I’m not Russian or American. Watch the race from the Russians perspective next time.
@418cjpaul3 жыл бұрын
@@APBCTechnique I watched again and I have to agree with you. unfortunately there was no solution which would be fair. the German could have been disqualified but that wouldn't have helped the Russian . not every wrong has a remedy
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
@@418cjpaul your right sadly.
@fredrohrer15842 жыл бұрын
I still get chills seeing this…. Watched it live !!!!
@James-akaRhino5 жыл бұрын
I saw this race live when I was 12 years old. Dave Wottle inspired me to become a 800 runner even though I was never very good at it. Fastest was a 2:07. Him and that cap was so cool with his closing kick. Dude was only 19 years old college student at the time. Doesn't get enough credit for his Olympic victory for us old school guys.
@gregllamb24105 жыл бұрын
2:07 is not bad. Our school record was 2:02.
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@BartholomewSmutz3 жыл бұрын
@@APBCTechnique Wottle said the Russian kicked earlier than usual which cost him.
@clarkfox69753 жыл бұрын
@@APBCTechnique give it a rest already man, we get it, you're salty. Both he and Dave ran great races and were only .03 apart at the finish. Fantastic race for both, can we just leave it at that?
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
@@clarkfox6975 relook the race, be humble, not salty and you’ll see the American only win because of the foul by the German to the Russian. Or the Russian would have won by 5m
@markkanazawa7397 Жыл бұрын
One of the smartest races ever. He knew Arzhanov was the one he needed to beat. He kept his eye on him and as soon as Arzhanov made his move, he went with him.
@erichvonmolder9310 Жыл бұрын
This was 51 years ago and I still got excited. DAMN!
@fcwinterthur12 жыл бұрын
Ich bin 78 Jahre alt und sah seit 1960 praktisch alle Rennen von 100m.bis Marathon.Nur das 800m Rennen von Wottle.Sensationell!
@mike247worldwide9 ай бұрын
I’ve watched this race a million times and every time I think “No way Wottle pulls this off”
@susiedupuy9532Ай бұрын
I watched on TV when it happened. Still amazed.
@Tblillard9 ай бұрын
1:58 high school best here. And Dave was my fave, too. I even wore a hat like his. Love watching this video over the years.
@christianmani17303 жыл бұрын
Little known fact is that Wottle was a miler for his entire life. He only ran the 800m for about 4 months: for the Olympic trials and then Olympic Games. He didn't race the 800m before or ever again after that. Wottle admitted this in a recent interview.
@Ruda-n4h9 ай бұрын
He was actually the World Record holder at the time - 1:44.3 on the July 1st 1972.
@Gerryinthewoods8 жыл бұрын
Dave Wottle makes me proud to be a BGSU grad and American. I love watching this race.
@gezza75606 жыл бұрын
That is absolutly banging mate! Last to 1st!
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@Ruda-n4h3 жыл бұрын
@@gezza7560 Hats off to the 'Throttle'.
@clarkfox69753 жыл бұрын
Me too Gerry, and I also ran track/cc there back in the early 80's. Dave would come back yearly for team alumni gatherings, great guy!
@jc2382 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the best 800m finals ever, up there with Coe/Ovett. One of my earliest Olympic watching memories as an 8yo and still one of my favourites.
@ysgol3 Жыл бұрын
Mine too, same age! Wottle was so cool and audacious, fantastic.
@RK-um9tu Жыл бұрын
Coe/Ovett final was not good at all. There was little drama because Coe ran a terrible race.
@sananto68965 жыл бұрын
Best race ever! Staying that far back in a short race at a world-class level takes guts. Wottle seemed so casual like a stroll in the park. Amazing competitor.
@angstfree20083 жыл бұрын
In an interview he said he couldn’t keep pace, he was able to catch the group on lap 2 when no one wanted the lead.
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@wvu05 Жыл бұрын
If you ever focus on Wottle, he actually holds steady. The difference was that everyone in front of him went out too fast. Yes, he said he would have done it too if he could, but it definitely worked out for him, and he never gave up. In the American coverage doing color commentary, Liquori even notices the field coming back by the bell and thinks by then he might have a good shot.
@keithbate9405 Жыл бұрын
Second best finish after the Women's 4 x 400 relay 1969 Euro champs Besson v Board
@ryanpeters8855 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Wottle has admitted luck definitely played a role. He says if Arzhanov wouldn’t have kicked so early, he would never have caught him.@@APBCTechnique
@hughmaitri53672 жыл бұрын
I found this by accident. I’ve watched it heaps of times and one of my favourite sporting moments
@parkerbeard617012 күн бұрын
My Dad shared this with me one day when I was having a bad day at work and was considering to quit the job I hated. It reminded me not to give up despite how bad it was and it helped open doors for me as I stuck through the bad times. I even use this as Motivation when I run Marathons! As long as I finish nobody can take that away from me!
@CN-xt7hj6 жыл бұрын
Greatest finish of all time...
@inmanmark3 жыл бұрын
To me, this video is like dropping an apple 100as of times and being just as surprised each time it hits the ground. There's something magic about that.
@jackmcqueen97910 ай бұрын
Even though you know the outcome Wottle still blows your mind with that finish.
@hvymettle11 ай бұрын
The pack went out quickly for the first 200m in 24.9, Wottle couldn't keep up and fell back 10m. With no one asserting the lead they slowed in the second 200m and Wottle regained contact with the pack. Wottle ran a fairly even pace for the race, with his 200m splits at 26.4, 27.1, 26.2, and 26.2. That means he ran a negative split of 53.4 for the first 400m and 52.4 for the second. Wottle said that "It wasn’t so much a kick, as people coming back to me."
@donnafinocchiaro583610 ай бұрын
Makes me sad I watched this as a young man as I'm 62 now. I mark this my most rememberable moment in any Olympics by an individual.
@jozefserf202410 ай бұрын
The 72 Olympics were awesome. Both 76 and 80 suffered from boycotts and those after (non-amateur ones) from drug misuse
@Eleuthero52 жыл бұрын
Like Paul Travis below, I never tire of watching this race over and over. Turns out that the first 200m ate up too many energy reserves and Wottle wanted no part of that. This was a brave tactical decision carried out to victory in the final couple of strides.
@bobleung27593 ай бұрын
It's almost ludicrous how far back he was. It was like watching a silent film, starring Buster Keaton running the 800m!
@jerrycaughman63244 ай бұрын
Wottle rolled up looking like a dad taking his kids to Disney World and dropped one of the smartest races ever on em.
@MrsPatrickisalifecoach6 жыл бұрын
Staying positive in a negative situations can help change the outcome
@lctortillas6 жыл бұрын
I think it had to do more with his planning, Wottle always had a strong kick at the end and always timed it to help him.
@michaell87223 жыл бұрын
You run your race, not your opponent’s
@melfisher16838 күн бұрын
I was 7 years old when I watched this happen.....I can't repeat what my father was screaming.....most exciting race ever.
@davidpollard32987 жыл бұрын
So damn cool at the finish Wottle.
@mikeylikey61763 жыл бұрын
Just graduated from HS that year, used to run the 880 yards in track..to this day, I still considered that race as the best in all of Olympics; though Van Niekerk in 2016 (400) and Warholm this year comes close. Ran track in college for one year, we joke about other runners with "watch out for that guy, he might Wottle you" during meets, it was that enigmatic//
@9Ballr5 жыл бұрын
Wottle must have been the best runner. Every time I watch this he wins.
@MoMoMyPup105 жыл бұрын
I agree. I've watched it a few times as well and Wottle does indeed win most of the time it seems.
@alnika61533 жыл бұрын
One of these days his luck will run out.
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@lrealestate2 жыл бұрын
@@alnika6153 Dude. Do the math. This race was 50 years ago 😬🤦♀️
@LoudounDemocrat10 ай бұрын
The greatest race in the history of races.
@uncleronny67483 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this up. Like others here I saw this live however I dont remember our family having a color TV so this is the first time seeing it in color. Whether you saw it in B/W or color that victory was kind of a big deal...sort of like 'Miracle on Clay'. Shirley Babaschoff, the Munich swimming gold medalist, went to my high school and they had a huge homecoming for her after she returned in the Fall.
@brantlauweryssen7438 жыл бұрын
Always been one of my favorite Two Lap races.
@dadman84742 жыл бұрын
Favorite? Any other 2 lap races you know exist besides this one? Lol
@brantlauweryssen7432 жыл бұрын
@@dadman8474 Yes. There’s dozens of high quality 800m races run every year both in championship settings and on the Pro Circuit. This one has stood out for me as one of the best races in history where the runners competed over 2 laps. If we’re talking about different 2 lap race distances, there’s also some great indoor 400m races that are exciting to watch, I’d recommend the latest NCAA indoor track championships.
@Ekzotika-g8w8 ай бұрын
@@dadman8474bro what are you not aware of the entire sport of track and field
@dadman84748 ай бұрын
@@Ekzotika-g8wlast time I checked the 800m is the only 2 lap race. The sentence just was not constructed properly
@dadman84748 ай бұрын
@@brantlauweryssen743I did overlook indoor but I assumed most people watching only considered outdoor 400m tracks only to be legitimate
@alexsaitta40412 жыл бұрын
If you listen to this commentary and then that of ABC Wide World of sports, this guy had no clue Wottle had a chance. In contrast on turn 3 of the bell lap Marty Liquori doing the color commentary (and the 1971 US mile winner), said "Wottle is in perfect position". He knew the ability of Wottle and that the stars were lining up for him at that moment.
@RK-um9tu Жыл бұрын
Well please share with us what Wottle had done prior to 1972?
@sidecar7714 Жыл бұрын
@@RK-um9tu world leading 800m time prior to the games.
@lburrell19655 жыл бұрын
Puts a lump in my throat every time ! I'm not ashamed.
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@smw462815 күн бұрын
This is probably my favorite Olympic moment when I was a kid. Being from Ohio myself made it pretty special.
@philipgates98810 ай бұрын
As an American I love this race. However, my favorite 800 meter runner was Alberto Juantorena.
@jozefserf202410 ай бұрын
Me too. No one else like 'white lightning'.
@danielbrown34613 ай бұрын
David Rudisha was better
@chrisverby30475 күн бұрын
He was a great 400m man as well.
@dslapster64 Жыл бұрын
Wow I remember watching that as a kid in the UK. Awesome stuff
@ArniePorter6 күн бұрын
What confidence and courage to let the other runners lead for almost the whole race knowing he could pass them in the last 10 meters. Wow.
@RasikRajguru10 ай бұрын
Thank you. I think this became his trade mark after in the longer races. This commentator is not the one I remember when I was watching in my teens. He was tracking Wottle's race, becoming more excited as he overtaking the pack. This one completely ignored him till he finished 1st.
@enzobattiston645626 күн бұрын
Avevo 11 anni e stavo incollato alla TV in bianco e nero a guardare le olimpiadi..... Ne ricordo tantissimi , i taliani e non . Ma la mia memoria va a te Wattle e aNadia Comaneci....nell gare di paese sei stato la mia ispirazione. Quel cappellino in testabe quella tua tattica di stare in coda prima dell' ultimo giro. Sei stato una ispirazione, vederti gareggiare era pura gioia...certo a livello metaforico, La tua tattica di corsa è un' insegnamento di vita...🥇🙏🙏🙏🙏
@adamsmithyman797329 күн бұрын
I can still remember watching this live as a wide eyed 8 year old and am still enamored watching it today.
@jozefserf202410 ай бұрын
Wottle did this in every round, but this time it was a shocker!
@Ruda-n4h9 ай бұрын
This still gives me goosebumps every time I see it and with the great David Coleman's commentary (did he win, I think he did).
@markwoldin162 Жыл бұрын
What a run! Wottles second 200 was strong, giving him good position. His second 400 was magnificent.
@davidramirez48104 жыл бұрын
Whatched it live on tv, I thought he was out of it after the first 300.
@kentosan23657 жыл бұрын
so inspiring
@williamford95648 күн бұрын
My all time favorite Olympic moment.
@hakanerdogan70044 жыл бұрын
Muazzam ve örnek bir yarış. Taktik, kendine güven, ciddiyet. Sporculuk. Teşekkürler usta Dave Wottle. -A huge and exemplary race. Tactics, self-confidence, seriousness. Sportsmanship. Thank you, Master Dave Wottle-
@ddanny5252 ай бұрын
Heroic!! Well done sir!!
@okboomer134012 күн бұрын
MAGNIFICENT!
@jaypee76323 жыл бұрын
Secretariat watched this race and ran the same strategy in the kentucky derby a year later
@vasilisneorun1700 Жыл бұрын
You don't need many racesto becomea legend...one race is enough
@tennisace402 жыл бұрын
LEGEND!!!!
@msarmar1905 Жыл бұрын
Realmente tremendo. Increíble remontada. La última recta es de ensueño.
@veraciteabsolue1221 Жыл бұрын
1) The others made a stupid positive split (52+54) vs equal split for Wottle (53+53) 2) he made the shortest distance keeping in lane 1 3) he was protected from the wind being behind 4) you surely run faster with a cap.
@uncleronny67484 ай бұрын
This is what's great about America...we had a guy like Pre who hammered from the gun and a guy like Wottle who only led in the last meter.
@MG-ge5xq5 жыл бұрын
Great run! Thanks!
@66PHILB Жыл бұрын
Great run and a wonderfully evocative David Coleman commentary. Thanks so much for this upload.
@TGiannini00722 күн бұрын
I remember watching this.
@stephenswanson79082 ай бұрын
Amazing performance , gutsy finish , it's tremendously inspiring watching him come from so far back , he had a great strategy laying back and saving the gas for the end , great lesson for life itself , pace yourself , I believe the good Lord Jesus had his hand on his shoulder and gave him the strength to pull it off !!
@jensen5508220 күн бұрын
Wottle is the perfect last name for the winner of this race.
@TimRobinson-hc7mt4 ай бұрын
Great to hear the BBC version of this race its a classic
@jaypee76323 жыл бұрын
Greatest race! Great call by announcer great crowd!
@adamroth8822 Жыл бұрын
Announcer had no clue . He did not even mention Wottle as he moved up on the back stretch and walked everyone down.
@rentslave27 күн бұрын
During the medal ceremony,Dave forgot to remove his cap.Later,he got a call from the States.The caller said :"Hat on or hat off,you're still a Great American."Said Spiro Agnew.
@paulgerardhosty990911 ай бұрын
Brilliant finish. Did the Russian get sent to Siberia afterwards?
@eddierendon1354 Жыл бұрын
What a great race by D. W.! Gutsy!!!!
@dannyfrechette270511 күн бұрын
Phénoménal 👏👏👏👏
@tedallison61123 жыл бұрын
NEVER GIVE UP!
@TracyLaGrone3 ай бұрын
It is hard to time a race better than that. That cap was quite distinctive.
@garymanning89206 жыл бұрын
I have watched this race 100 times. I am trying to convince my young friends coach you don't have to lead the race ...run your race plus the kid is 6' 6". Everybody drafts and the team's won't wear tights in cold weather . He is tying up at about 550meters loses 7 9 seconds than catches his wind and has a ripping finish. Only a freshman at pr 2 1 9 but a 55 sec quarter man has potential. I show him this video all the time.
@bradoneil5365 ай бұрын
I appreciate that David Coleman can tell which one is Boit and which one is Ouko. The American commentary is famous and often-played since an American won this, but we just hear about “one Kenyan” and “the other Kenyan.”
@alessandrodorsi98005 жыл бұрын
Simply awesome , ladies and gentlemen ! This comeback in the very final forty / fifty meters reminds me a lot about Alberto Cova's incredible victory in the 10000 meters men's final at the 1983 IAAF Athletic World Championships in Helsinki
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@spectrum7virkeytroni15 күн бұрын
I was still in elementary school at the time. And the only thing I remember about Wottle was the big deal they made about his wearing the hat. But I wish I could remember the details of this race too.
@Tacoman19672 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate anyone.
@congero11310 ай бұрын
Hurrah for my boy Wattle🤩
@kenneth.wagner1964Ай бұрын
What a kick!
@Atom_gun8 күн бұрын
Arzhanov was bumped!
@davidvietri7248 Жыл бұрын
I watched it live on my parents black and white TV
@michaell87223 жыл бұрын
Always run your race and not your opponent‘s!!
@TheCitroenCX5 жыл бұрын
At 200 m Wottle was practically speaking out of the race, in this final. At 500 m into the race Wottle kicked for the fist time, when he saw Arzhanov go for the front position. Did Wottle know that Arzhanov would be his strongest oposition, who knows? Then again, in the last bend at about 670 m, Wottle kicked for the second time and made progress. Finally at about 750 m Wottle kicked for the finish - and incredibly beat Arzhanov. 3 kicks by Wottle. Tactically genius! What a race and what a cold fish Wottle was.
@normanlinden57864 жыл бұрын
Arzhanov was the heavy favorite going into this race so, yes, Wottle knew he would be his strongest opponent.
@carlrossi79893 жыл бұрын
@@normanlinden5786 And what I find often gets left out in these discussions was that at the time of that race Wottle was the co-World Record holder @ 800m, yes he had been hurt after the Olympic Trials [where he tied the World Record] but in many ways he was still the class of the field. He has candidly admitted in many interviews that the fact the first lap was 52 and not 50 allowed him to be in position to kick for the win.
@normanlinden57863 жыл бұрын
@@carlrossi7989 - excellent post. So many times I've read articles or watched videos of this race and the writers seem to imply that he was a virtual unknown going in and his win was a huge upset. As "TheCitroenCX" noted above, Wottle ran a tactically brilliant race.
@BigPermDawg9 ай бұрын
He ran about 26.4 - 26.5 for each 200. Same pace the whole race. They went fast the first 200 and paid for it the last 200.
@patrickwalsh27920 күн бұрын
Wish I had a nickel for every time I've watched this race! 🏆🍻🤙❤
@THETBRETT5 жыл бұрын
never..ever..give up..ever..Bradbury..
@SurferKenTV3Ай бұрын
Dave ran the perfect race. He played chess while everyone else was playing checkers.
@christopherdevine2811 Жыл бұрын
An absolute classic
@BANAANISUKLAA-vk9id3 жыл бұрын
ARZHANOV IS MY IDOL
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
The Russian had a bad race and was unlucky to be bumped
@PAARYNAHILLO3 жыл бұрын
NICE TO WATCH IT
@ewaf886 жыл бұрын
The World records aside - the general standard of 800m running hasn't really moved forward. Thanks for post.
@shelleyknudsen63872 жыл бұрын
It's my understanding that his 2nd lap was slower than his first by almost a full second. There's a life lesson in here somewhere! :)
@diskoeric22482 жыл бұрын
it wasn't
@tomloft20002 жыл бұрын
@@diskoeric2248 it appears to be @ 51 seconds on the last lap. ifirst lap @ 54-55.
@ejb5659 Жыл бұрын
Dave's just so loose and free in the hips...everyone else is pushing- not flowing...
@elraes13872 жыл бұрын
Hace 50 años Wottle protagonizó la mayor machada de toda la historia de los Juegos Olímpicos.
@trevorjones51053 жыл бұрын
Wottle the Throttle
@JoshuaJohnson-uq6pq3 ай бұрын
He barely made it throu the semis and prelims Felt sick disnt want to run. Yet he ran the best 800 ever ran. Perfect splits. This is what i call runners illusion. He doesn't really speed up. it's just that everyone else slowed way down
@tlots23457 ай бұрын
The announcer was surprised, he had his eyes on the front and missed the whole race!
@Ruda-n4h3 жыл бұрын
If Andy Carter had gone off at a slower pace and tracked Wottle instead of challenging Ouko and Boit, he could have come fourth.
@bigbadjohn613 жыл бұрын
Good point about Andy Carter. Also, if he'd run wide of the Polish athlete instead of losing momentum in the home straight, he would probably have got 4th.
@Ruda-n4h3 жыл бұрын
@@bigbadjohn61 Yes they both got tangled up.
@garymanning89206 жыл бұрын
I hope I can get him r unning c.c. this season. He has 2:00 potential. Got him weight training a bit too.
@jerrycarlos84133 ай бұрын
It's been said many times: It's how you finish that counts.
@maddymud20 күн бұрын
So weird to not hear Jim McKay announce it
@cashcrop706 жыл бұрын
Looks like Wottle was a similar distance behind the leader on the final bend as Coe was behind Ovett, though the latter finished much faster I assume. Would be interesting to compare the distances and times over the last 100/200m for 1972 and 1980 .
@bemopacific70766 жыл бұрын
Actually Coe was closer to Ovett. Coe only ran the final 100m 0.1 faster than Ovett despite having Ovett as an open target (although that Deano character will claim Coe made up 15m over the last 70m lol). Coe's problem was that it was a 'slow' pace along with a very, very strong Ovett running a 50.8 final lap. Coe needed a fast race, but he let the field go out slowly giving everyone else a chance. Coe was not the best tactically over 800m despite his abilities. He had a bit more room for error over the 1500 obviously. Had Coe taken the field out in 49 - 50 in Moscow he'd probably have pulled off the double.
@cashcrop706 жыл бұрын
Yes having looked at the two races I can see that Coe was closer to Ovett than Wottle was to the leader. The earlier pace was also much slower in 1980 (over two seconds at the bell is significant). Ovett was also in excellent form and superior to the 1972 field. However, I think Coe's 400m speed was superior to Ovett's (46 sec 400m/45 sec relay I think), and he would have beaten Ovett if he'd been on his shoulder coming off the final bend. A 49-50 second pace at the bell, though it destroyed Coe in 1978, might have won him the race because Ovett could not handle a very fast pace (pb just outside 1:44), though the question is whether that pace would have affected Coe more if he had led. Would certainly be interesting to hear Deano's take lol. In his defence, he does back up much of what he says with stats.
@paulfletcher22903 жыл бұрын
Coe did not run a positive race. His 1500m was a positive, I will win attitude.
@APBCTechnique3 жыл бұрын
You assume wrong. The last lap of the 1980 800m was 50.8 seconds the fastest last 400m in an major 800m. Coe was finishing fast but Ovett had 5m on him at the bell. Coe’s last 200m was under 25 seconds. Seems like the Russian was bumped by the German illegally and the Russian lost 5m and then got bumped a second time going back. Without this bump the Russian would’ve be 5m clear at the finish. The Russian lost energy gaining back his position at 350m to go which then lost his sprint. The American was lucky. Being out of trouble and running even pace paid dividends for him.
@mikewottle88932 жыл бұрын
@@APBCTechnique Coe was probably a half meter behind Ovett at the bell. Ultimately is doesn't much matter, because Coe lost and Wottle won. You've commented many times about the Russian getting bumped. There's a lot of what-ifs that could be played here. What if everyone had run their fastest time? Wottle, the world record holder at the time, would won by a decent margin. You say lucky, I say he wasn't foolish enough to try to go all out the first 200m of the race, stayed out of trouble, and finished well. All while battling tendinitis in his knee.