Would EPCOT Have Worked?

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Midway to Main Street

Midway to Main Street

7 жыл бұрын

There are two Epcots. The Epcot most guests know is the theme park in Disney World with the “big silver golf ball” and people who like to drink around the world. The other Epcot, however, is the original EPCOT. The Experimental Prototype City of Tomorrow.
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It was Walt Disney’s plan for an actual functioning city of the future that would be the focal point of Disney World and an example for other cities around the world as to what city life could be like with proper planning and design.
That second EPCOT never came to fruition because Walt Disney died before they even broke ground in Florida. His vision was essential to the plans for Epcot, and so without him the city would never happen. That, however, doesn’t stop fans from asking: would it have worked?
Here’s my guess: Yes and no.
Let me be more specific: The more I learn about Walt’s initial plans for EPCOT, the more I believe he would have been able to successfully build, open, and populate the city of EPCOT. However I also believe the city’s overall goal of acting as an example of a cutting edge city of the future for others to follow would have ultimately failed.
EPCOT city would have been a massive undertaking for sure. The resources required to build EPCOT, which would have been multiple times larger than the Magic Kingdom might, itself, have been a roadblock preventing it from ever happening. However from a technology perspective, if you consider the details of EPCOT, there really wasn’t anything stopping them.
All of it, on paper is nothing crazy. It would all be designed in a very specific way with one person overseeing it all, which was unique, but it was all within the realm of possibility.
From a practical construction and technology standpoint, there were only two major complications with EPCOT city. The first was the fact that the proposed 50 acre shopping center surrounding the hotel was going to be completely enclosed and climate controlled.
That said, while the costs of something as futuristic sounding as a climate controlled city center might have been a problem, it still could have been possible.
The second road bump would have potentially been the city's various layers. In order to keep traffic flowing through EPCOT and in an attempt to keep the bulk of the city focused on the people mover and monorail, automotive traffic would be limited to two layers beneath the city.
In theory Disney could have allowed the trucks to pass on the ground level, and cars to pass on the level above it. That would mean putting the rest of the city center on the third layer. If building a 50 acre enclosed shopping district wasn’t hard enough, doing it on top of two other layers would just be that much harder.
Still though, while they would probably pose significant issues in building Epcot, they aren’t really non-starters.
So where do I think EPCOT would have failed? I believe in it’s goal to not just serve as a model of the city of the future for others around the world, but to also remain a cutting edge city of the future over time.
All of the homes and apartments in EPCOT would be constantly outfitted with the latest and greatest in that new technology. As cool as it sounds, I don’t think it would have worked out.
If the concept art is anything to go off of, we’re talking about ten apartment buildings and anywhere from seven hundred to a thousand houses, housing up to 20,000 residents in total.
Do we really think that every time GE came up with a new refrigerator or toaster, they’d be willing to pay to produce and install 7,000 of them, for the purposes of testing, just so they could do the whole thing over again with the next one?
Furthermore while companies were slower with products and more open to showing them off in the 60s, today’s world is virtually the opposite. In a world in which companies like Apple are updating their products every 12 months, and keep their plans a secret until the very last possible second, it’s hard to imagine a city in which companies would be willing to show off their upcoming technology to competitors in a setting like Epcot.
Besides, even if companies were willing to do all of that, would it even be possible with the speed at which new products are developed today? Would the speed result in a lifestyle in which resident’s homes were under a constant state of upgrade? Would people really want that?
I suspect had he lived the extra 15+ years he said he would need to build EPCOT, he would have probably pulled off building a city of the future. However much like Tomorrowland, or Future World in the Epcot we would eventually get, I also suspect that city of the future would quickly become just another city of the present.

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@Makdub
@Makdub 7 жыл бұрын
EPCOT sounds like some Vault-tec experiment
@afonsolucas2219
@afonsolucas2219 7 жыл бұрын
Still though, I wanna see a retro futuristic 60s town!
@ColdCoorsBanquet
@ColdCoorsBanquet 7 жыл бұрын
Afonso Lucas seriously though I wish the architecture would've never went out of style
@jasminemcdonald5762
@jasminemcdonald5762 7 жыл бұрын
Makdub I won't like just cause...
@Eaglescout217
@Eaglescout217 6 жыл бұрын
Makdub well Bioshock was influenced by Epcot
@redopps8438
@redopps8438 6 жыл бұрын
Vault-Disney
@sewthernbelle
@sewthernbelle 7 жыл бұрын
I think Walts idea for Epcot was sort of realized though. Disney World itself has hotels, shopping districts, mass transportation, theme parks with amazing technology. The sponsorships of tech based companies is about the only idea that is sort of DOA, but I think if Disney starts hosting one of those tech expos like up in New York once a year I think it would keep with the idea of Walts dream.
@maddoxcox
@maddoxcox 7 жыл бұрын
and houses
@annasteiner5178
@annasteiner5178 7 жыл бұрын
Maddox Cox there's actually a neighborhood at Disney world
@maddoxcox
@maddoxcox 7 жыл бұрын
I know, but sadly it is not E.P.C.O.T.
@MrNateSPF
@MrNateSPF 7 жыл бұрын
There's actually a neighborhood *next to* Disney world. Celebration is expressly not on Disney world property and not integrated as part of the things OP pointed out.
@alex91008
@alex91008 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah but it would've been cool if it was all arranged the way it was originally imagined. An actual city. As it is now it's more or less the same as other places like Universal. Disney still doesn't have things like a school, parks, huge shopping complex, etc. And the transportation as it is now is definitely not as good as the network of people movers and underground highways like Walt imagined.
@JayKelly00
@JayKelly00 7 жыл бұрын
A man that began with a mouse, and ended with world-building. A true visionary.
@sheem.2450
@sheem.2450 6 жыл бұрын
Jay Kelly My thoughts exactly. ❤ it sounded like he wanted to make an Elon Musk move. 😊
@oakpineranch
@oakpineranch 6 жыл бұрын
Or Elon Musk wants to make a Walt Disney move since Walt was around first...
@jimbotheassclown
@jimbotheassclown 6 жыл бұрын
elon musk lol the cult continues.the guy assembles car parts from other manufacturers in to a crappy hodgepodge electric car.
@darienmorgan8859
@darienmorgan8859 6 жыл бұрын
jimbotheassclown Name checks out. Emphasis on the ass.
@Dovenpeis
@Dovenpeis 6 жыл бұрын
You all know the cult surrounding Elon Musk is all because he is African-American, right?
@Larry
@Larry 7 жыл бұрын
All I see when I see video of EPCOT is a great concept for a fourth Bioshock game :D
@connormclernon26
@connormclernon26 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Rapture in part inspired by the original concepts for EPCOT? As well as Andrew Ryan partially inspired by Disney
@Cadmandu2000
@Cadmandu2000 7 жыл бұрын
In the archival footage you used in this presentation, it is clear that a large and wonderfully detailed model of the place was built that included lighting and moving traffic. This was quite a feat before LED's, fiber optic light routing, or miniaturized electronics. Whatever happened to this beautiful feat of model making? Does it even still exist? Ditto for that enormous wall map of the Florida Project property.
@MidwaytoMainStreet
@MidwaytoMainStreet 7 жыл бұрын
Great question! Unfortunately that amazing model doesn't exist any longer in it's complete form. It used to be a part of the 2nd floor of the Carousel of Progress back when it was in Disneyland. However when the ride moved to Florida the entire model didn't come along with it. That said, a portion of the model did get moved over and can now be seen while on the TTA towards the beginning of the ride. After passing the castle and entering a tunnel for the first time, guests pass the model city. As for the map, I'm not sure. I know there's a mock-up of it in Hollywood Studios in Walt: One Man's Dream, but I'm not sure where the real map is.
@DjMikeWatt
@DjMikeWatt 7 жыл бұрын
That footage comes from a video called "The Florida Project" and it's freely available on KZfaq, if you're interested.
@Cadmandu2000
@Cadmandu2000 7 жыл бұрын
I just finished watching "The Florida Project" on your recommendation. I liked it. Thanks.
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 7 жыл бұрын
Making such a model wasn't hard at all. Sure, old incandescent lightbulb are inefficient - so what? I have some +50 year transparent legobricks with lights. it is still a lot of work though.
@gavincrowley562
@gavincrowley562 7 жыл бұрын
Imagine seeing the center of a fiber optic system for that? I've seen the model but never knew it was original and only a part!
@pkrussl
@pkrussl 7 жыл бұрын
epcot is such an interesting idea. It would have been crazy if they actually went through with it - I would love to see how it would have turned out!
@jakespacepiratee3740
@jakespacepiratee3740 5 жыл бұрын
Unexpected to see you here!
@termitreter6545
@termitreter6545 3 жыл бұрын
Idk, doesnt seem very well planned out and extemely limited in growth and development. But theres a bunch of planned cities out there. Eg, Brasilia, the capital of Brazil, was a planned city from the 60s, made for about 500k people. Unsurprisingly, it went a bit different.
@SRose-vp6ew
@SRose-vp6ew 2 жыл бұрын
Places like Rotterdam Norway (rebuilt after WW2) have covered walkways that get pulled out when it rains. Nothing fancy but if it's raining or snowing it's just a little nicer to still walk outside. Hard to explain, not full coverage but coverage that can be swiftly added. In the same way some places in Wisconsin and Minnesota connect the buildings with "cat walks"(?) to keep people out of the snow and cold to get to parking. More places in the city should think of these ideas where it is rainy or cold. Many restaurants also started to see the benefits of outdoor pergolas. As for People Movers, sky gondolas, or Trolley that's a waste of money as it "limits" movement to a single course at a high cost when people can walk, Uber, Bike, drive, or even take a bus for much cheaper in a city. But they make for fun Disney rides. It's also what makes Disney cost so much and why modern EPCOT charges about 120 dollars a day for a person to have the honor to also spend money to shop and eat there.
@Jim-Tuner
@Jim-Tuner 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't have ended well. The whole idea of EPCOT depended on the concept of benevolent autocratic urban planning. But after the legal reforms of 1965, the sort of controls they needed to have over EPCOT no longer existed. You could not create a city of 20,000 people, even on private property, where democracy didn't apply. The closest thing today to what Disney intended is probably Singapore. The other thing is that Walt Disney came up with this idea of a testbed for "modern" city ideas at a time when the ideas for modernization of cities were almost all bad. Almost all the ideas for new cities and urban architecture in that era were terrible.
@lillywho
@lillywho 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it would have been a corporate dystopia, considering the limitations on how citizens would have been able to vote and such.
@rattyeely
@rattyeely 7 жыл бұрын
I wish they made this EPCOT. It has that great "early 60s futuristic" vibe
@MrBudderTacoMBT
@MrBudderTacoMBT 7 жыл бұрын
I think your reasoning about developing new products constantly is kind of askewed. It wasn't about having every new PRODUCT. It was about every new TECHNOLOGY. It isn't just Sony's newest TV or Samsungs newest Dryer, it was about having the newest types of technology. Innovative things that did need real in home testing. It simply isn't about putting out new products to the residents of Epcot. The promo video shows a lady whose cabinet automatically raises with food in it. It's innovations that truly make differences that Disney wanted at Epcot. Real life-changing ideas. The best example would be desktop 3D printers. Epcot would've been a great place to test their actual usefulness in the home as more than something to tinker with, as they are being studied today
@MidwaytoMainStreet
@MidwaytoMainStreet 7 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point!
@MrNateSPF
@MrNateSPF 7 жыл бұрын
A very good point. As was said it would have taken many, many years to complete a project of such a grand scale. So it would have opened in phases. Then the updating could be done in phases as well. Where you do get the latest technology when it is time to update your home and they move on to the next neighborhood needing updating where they then get the latest technology.
@PaulWilliamsIdeaSandbox
@PaulWilliamsIdeaSandbox 7 жыл бұрын
This was my very thinking as well...
@eureka345
@eureka345 7 жыл бұрын
I also think residents would be willing to pay for access to new technologies. The companies might sell them "at cost" or at a significant discount in return for feedback on them, but I don't think any company would or should be required to install every new technology in every home. Thinking about the kind of person that would want to live in EPCOT, though, they'd be the early adopters of things anyhow. Extra early access to really cool stuff would be right up their alley.
@WojtekBednarzak
@WojtekBednarzak 6 жыл бұрын
Also, the companies would not have to equip all homes. If residents signed up to certain things, you would have like a subscription based new dishwasher. Say I don't care about best TVs, I could ask for newest tech in bed mattresses etc
@computerkid1416
@computerkid1416 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see someone create EPCOT in either SimCity or Cities: Skylines.
@joshdavidprado
@joshdavidprado 6 жыл бұрын
THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW
@soulzombie6972
@soulzombie6972 6 жыл бұрын
Or even Minecraft.
@artusdreimalneun2595
@artusdreimalneun2595 6 жыл бұрын
lets put that new gaming pc to good use...
@Moribax85
@Moribax85 6 жыл бұрын
it won't be possible to recreate perfectly tho, since neither of those games allow pedestrian travel from underground roads to the surface or have underground loading points for cargo, so th 2 underground layers woudn't be possible to make
@artusdreimalneun2595
@artusdreimalneun2595 6 жыл бұрын
Mods?
@theoneilovemost
@theoneilovemost 7 жыл бұрын
personally I think it would have worked as long as Walt was directing it, because Walt was the kind of man who knew when to take risks, how to do it and in what ways. look at snow white, people told him he was crazy and it was a major success. Look at Cinderella, nearly bankrupt the company, was a major success. Look at Disneyland, nobody had faith in that project except for Walt and it's completely changed the way we see theme parks. So as far out there as epcot was if Walt saw it working most likely he was right
@robertharris6092
@robertharris6092 6 жыл бұрын
Pisses me off disney had to die before he could atleast start this project. Itd of been amazing to see.
@Juber777
@Juber777 6 жыл бұрын
Robert Harris he was murdered, his ideas were dangerous/threatening to companies and government, he was murdered and covered up like other brilliant people. It sounds crazy, yes, I wish/hope I'm wrong but there are too many questions and no answers, I thought for such an amazing person to die and no reason announced or mentioned worries me. Celebrity deaths are assassinations used to distract the mass public from... Whatever they want to distract us from, business deals, Bills/laws/amendments etc. I hope I'm just paranoid... but expect the worst and be prepared.
@eric-qz7cr
@eric-qz7cr 6 жыл бұрын
Or he just had lung cancer.
@playboymaxim
@playboymaxim 6 жыл бұрын
Eric Fleming The man was a heavy smoker
@septiikos9680
@septiikos9680 6 жыл бұрын
Better to be pissed off than pissed on.
@a_cowwithlegs
@a_cowwithlegs 6 жыл бұрын
Juber777 I did a biography on Walt at school and died of lung cancer from smoking
@markdowling2736
@markdowling2736 7 жыл бұрын
If anyone could have pulled it off it would have been Walt Disney.
@alangreig4261
@alangreig4261 6 жыл бұрын
Mark D I really wanted this city to happen
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 6 жыл бұрын
Just imagine what they could do NOW? They have grown into a goddamn Empire with political power & media control. Especially after the take over of 20th Century Fox and all affiliated licenses and TV Channels.
@cobraglatiator
@cobraglatiator 6 жыл бұрын
maybe if the musk wasn't focused on space travel,and.....had a very creative kind hearted,intelligent good friend/sibling...we could have had an epcot a little later. ah well. maybe once we get to mars,we can bring him out of cryo-freeze,find him a partner,and then we can have martian epcot.
@patrickm.9348
@patrickm.9348 6 жыл бұрын
Norm T ha ha, so you don't want to wear your purity ring, eh?
@hannibustoogfyrre6074
@hannibustoogfyrre6074 6 жыл бұрын
cobraglatiator Elon does have a brother, but he's busy with this Urban Farming thing that involves growing food in shipping containers.
@TheSecondChild
@TheSecondChild 7 жыл бұрын
I think EPCOT was Walt's greatest idea, in both the scope and its potential benefit to mankind. And although it's sad to see it never happened, it gives me hope that we still may one day have an Asimov/Roddenberry/Disney-like future where technology continues to make life better for everyone. If... Skynet... doesn't kill us all first... here's hoping.
@MrGriff305
@MrGriff305 7 жыл бұрын
Epcot looks like a new element. He's been dead for 50 years, and he's still taking Tony Stark to school.
@maxxxstrong4577
@maxxxstrong4577 6 жыл бұрын
MrGriff305 You are spot on, I think we don't have people or leaders that dream an more and the population are satisfied with smart phones.
@benjamintaheny5061
@benjamintaheny5061 6 жыл бұрын
Maxxx Strong Similar to how Matthew McConaughey's character in 'Interstellar' explained it, White people in particular have a higher density of explorers, adventurers, visionaries, inventors, and builders [pioneers].
@selenabarrera8491
@selenabarrera8491 7 жыл бұрын
This is giving me a rapture type of feeling from bioshock and I love it
@aliensinnoh1
@aliensinnoh1 7 жыл бұрын
Walt Disney playing Cities: Skylines, zoning in his high and low density residential.
@LLG47
@LLG47 7 жыл бұрын
I personally believe this would be some utopian Jetson horror movie, but it actually came to fruition in one place. the rotunda near Englewood Florida is very similar, but all suburban. my grandparents live therr, it's very strange, but complete with the useless canal system too.
@selfinducedcoma3712
@selfinducedcoma3712 7 жыл бұрын
One BIG problem. No one wants to move to Orlando.
@Sommer57
@Sommer57 6 жыл бұрын
Well, not anymore.
@sydneymccarthy7015
@sydneymccarthy7015 5 жыл бұрын
self induced coma why?
@ddragon8154
@ddragon8154 5 жыл бұрын
+Sydney Marie Probably worth looking at news coverage of atrocities in the state over the past two years, and/or rising sea levels. :-o If it's neither of those, it'll be the rain. Contrary to popular belief, Florida is the United States' "British Weather" simulator... ;-)
@sydneymccarthy7015
@sydneymccarthy7015 5 жыл бұрын
D Dragon the rain thing is kinda true . I live in the Orlando area and I love it besides the heat it’s awful in the summer
@sydneymccarthy7015
@sydneymccarthy7015 5 жыл бұрын
D Dragon Is Orlando really that bad ?
@technosworld2
@technosworld2 7 жыл бұрын
First, I appreciate your video and mostly agree with your points. I do have a couple of things that I disagree on, after having studied the EPCOT Project, read books on the subject, etc. I do think that your criticism comparing it to today's world is a bit like saying Google was a short-sighted thing because in 2060 everyone downloads things instantly into their brain. The EPCOT plan is over 50 years old. Also, it is interesting that it was going to be designed for the workers of Disney World to reside there....Disney sort of does this today with their international and college programs now, they live on dorms and take buses. I think the layout and transportation would have been its greatest achievement, something that we're desperately trying to fix now (hi Elon Musk). Even if EPCOT was built and failed after 20 years, the rest of the world would have taken the best parts of it and made it better.
@ReyemNeirda
@ReyemNeirda 6 жыл бұрын
J Philosopher with all the green technology of 2017 and past year it would be working the only problem would be the employment a'd development of the city, the city requires everyone in it to have a job but the city closed in a dome cannot evolve and the population rising would create problems after few generations
@CzornyLisek
@CzornyLisek 6 жыл бұрын
There is shit ton of planned cities around world. EPCOT would be absolutely nothing special in that regard. And transportation? I don't see any problems with any kind of transport in Europe or Asia. Nobody is desperate to fix anything as it work very very well. There are ready, mass produced solutions. Just for example USA must start to implement them.
@ms.lesarenay9450
@ms.lesarenay9450 6 жыл бұрын
J Philosopher I completely agree with your comment, that's how I feel. You can't really say it would have failed just based off of today's comparison. It would have definitely set a platform for these big great technology companies of today. So you can't say that because Google is so great today, that Walts intro to technological advancements would've failed in those days. I think he had great ideas that could've rushed technology (which, yes, could've been a downfall). In fact I think that a lot of these inventors, scientists and technologist most likely would've started under a company like Disney. Meaning Google, Apple, etc. All of their success may have been accredited to Disney and they may have been different today. But I had no idea Walt had THESE types of plans at that time for Epcot. It might have scared people in those days all that futuristic stuff, but by today's standard I look at this like "hmm looks like a mall, looks like a campus, looks like a hospital". He and this idea was definitely ahead of its time. I think the biggest downfall would've been the reaction and attraction to it. If we're talking 60s,70s....hell even in the 90s something like this could cause hesitancy. But today heading towards 2020. Oh yes it would definitely work.
@CzornyLisek
@CzornyLisek 6 жыл бұрын
Cities don't have to be huge or old. Examples from Poland Smallest city 500people Wiślica And from 01.01.2018 there is already 7 new cities: Józefów nad Wisłą, Łagów, Otyń, Radoszyce, Sanniki, Tułowice, Wiślica(
@Matthewschererinc
@Matthewschererinc 6 жыл бұрын
J Philosopher the Venus Project is a continuation and parallel research project by Jacques Fresco. It shares many of the design qualities with a more modern spin.
@islandplace7235
@islandplace7235 2 жыл бұрын
The "home upgrade system" could have been subscription based, where a resident could pay a premium for the latest technology, and they could receive rewards for giving reviews to the companies. People love those sorts of things.
@Dragonrider1227
@Dragonrider1227 7 жыл бұрын
Epcot makes me think of Rapture from Bioshock XD But seriously, I always felt the idea could work but only for a while. Epcot could've potentially been the end all be all place to experiment with and create new technology but only for about a decade or so. Eventually, new ways would develop and Epcot would become the old way of doing things. And this is of course assuming humanity didn't screw it up somehow as it often does. There's a reason why we say; "This is why we can't have nice things."
@qazwsxedc562
@qazwsxedc562 7 жыл бұрын
Dragonrider1227 J Philosopher my guess is that it was the other way around Epcot is probably the inspiration for Rapture and other stories about a rich man building a city of tomorrow. while also being the reason why these types of stories have something serious wrong with the city probably cause Disney was unable to finish his grand project.
@Dragonrider1227
@Dragonrider1227 7 жыл бұрын
I kinda assumed considering Epcot was originally concieved back in the 60s. It could be a reason.
@digitalnomad9985
@digitalnomad9985 7 жыл бұрын
If it spawned successors, that would have been a kind of success. Gives a new meaning to the old phrase "Nothing succeeds like succession."
@hzuiel
@hzuiel 6 жыл бұрын
If you read a little about it though, the only humanity that could screw it up was disney himself. He planned to retain all property rights, you would live there under some sort of contract, no government to balloon and become corrupt. If you don't like the place, then don't live there. Everyone was going to have to work, no free housing to gradually degrade into slums. If you wouldn't work, you had to leave. It honestly sounds like a GOOD idea of a city model.
@Vanlifecrisis
@Vanlifecrisis 6 жыл бұрын
its pretty clear when playing bioshock that it is heavily based on epcot and walt
@benjaminkellog7311
@benjaminkellog7311 7 жыл бұрын
The concept for the original version of Epcot has been one of my favorite pieces of Disney lore since I first read about it in the Disney Studio Story book by the great Brian Sibley. Given how Walt was willing to move heaven and earth to make his dreams a reality, as well as his knack for finding suitable compromises for ideas too grandiose for what was possible at the time, I'm certain something close to the Epcot of his imagination would have been feasible in an extended lifetime (he might still die during that fifteen-year stretch, but it would get done). It probably would have been easy to get a sizable Disney-loving population into the apartments, and I'd expect a decent amount of them willing to accept copious marketing and product testing into their everyday lives (it's the American way!). Heck, the days for "life upgrades" might have become a cherished biannual event for Epcot City (they'd be nuts to try and do it every year), sort of a cross between a convention and a garage sale. Who's to say it couldn't have worked on some level?
@619chrisoriginal
@619chrisoriginal 7 жыл бұрын
I bet if anyone could have pulled it off it would be Walt.
@abigguitar
@abigguitar 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, it could have worked, but in a way that Disney didn't exactly envision. Today, the new shopping norm is to put apartments above or very near retail spaces. With shopping spaces like Santana Row in San Jose and Main Street in Cupertino, this is very similar to what Disney had envisioned. Had Disney built apartments or condos above the retail spaces inside of Epcot, I'm quite sure he could have sold them at premium prices and still had Epcot be a success. The difficulty is the admission price. With people living on the property, you can't exactly charge admission to those folks. Also, how would they handle entry and exit for those living in Epcot? This is likely the biggest reason the idea was scrapped. Epcot would have had to figure out some way to work as both a tourist destination with admission and manage multifamily dwellings. If you did rent one of those spaces, how does Epcot handle loud parties, inviting guests to your home, dogs barking, outdoor BBQ and all other potential possibilities, etc. Being a landlord and being a theme park owner are entirely two different coins.
@johnhouston3678
@johnhouston3678 6 жыл бұрын
If they focused on functionality instead of futuristic it absolutely would find success.
@flamingpi2245
@flamingpi2245 2 жыл бұрын
For example a modern vision of Epcot would eschew cars altogether Instead having a reliable public transportation system (think autonomous electric buses) and would focus on walkabilty and natural spaces as well as not having a defined downtown and residential area, instead having good quality mid level buildings mixed in with shops and local businesses around sidewalks bike trails parks and gardens The original Epcot vision is soo 1950s-60s retro future industrialist, individual cars and road systems instead of public transportation and walkable spaces are what’s ruining cities Good for cars = bad for residents and pedestrians
@dnw009
@dnw009 Жыл бұрын
@@flamingpi2245 Still would likely have sort of warehouses at the edge of the city accessible by the public transportation to allow people to travel out of the city to other places since cars outside the city would still be a necessity*.
@gemmamalo96
@gemmamalo96 7 жыл бұрын
I think a solution for that last issue (updating all homes constantly) would be solved by updating only a few homes at a time, testing each product/innovation in maybe 1000 homes rather than all 7000.
@ppipowerclass
@ppipowerclass 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like he was trying to make the " City of the future " like Howard Stark.
@cassun603
@cassun603 3 жыл бұрын
Stark in the movies is based on Disney.
@n3propmaking153
@n3propmaking153 7 жыл бұрын
Here's my opinion. EPCOT was to be a demonstration city, (a person would live there for a year, then shift out) and if Disney history has shown anything, it's unwise to bet against Walt Disney. I think it would work
@planetmuskvlog3047
@planetmuskvlog3047 7 жыл бұрын
EPCOT is literally one of my favorite places on Earth, even in its current form, but I long for Disney's vision to be fully realized. Jacque Fresco in Venus Florida has his own designs, and he's over 100 yrs of age.
@markrobertson2052
@markrobertson2052 6 жыл бұрын
I thought it reminded my of his city designs. Do you know if Jacque ever worked/associated with Walt?
@skyr8449
@skyr8449 6 жыл бұрын
idk, the guy died at 101 years old like last year I think, I've been making contact with the team to get them ideas on how to 1. peacefully do this, and 2. actually do it.
@keithakola
@keithakola 6 жыл бұрын
I asked Jacque once about the relationship between the Venus Project and Walt. He said he sent his plans to Disney but never heard back or got an appointment. After that Walt came up with Epcot... the world may never know!
@PhauxTheFox
@PhauxTheFox 7 жыл бұрын
I love the concept of EPCOT, if I could I would build it. but the one thing I'd likely leave out is the constant updating. in fact while I've known about and loved the concept for years, I didn't know or realize/register that part of the plan to keep updating the homes to make them showcases for the "homes of tomorrow." so if you cut that part out, it seems far more likely a plan that could work, the next issue is....all the cities are basically here, people aren't going to tear down their city to rebuild it as this plan. and as you said a lot of the city center relies on tourists to see this new marvel of a city, so if every city is similar you'd lose a lot of that traffic and such. Now if you could get this idea to flow in developing nations and focus less on tourists(not making the bullseye a hotel/convention center), it could maybe work.
@zFuzza
@zFuzza 7 жыл бұрын
I went on a segway tour through Celebration Florida where I was told that some of Walt Disney's ideas about Epcot were taken and used to make the neighborhoods and houses to form a community Walt imagined.
@thisismysea
@thisismysea 7 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so well thought-out and informative! I just found your channel today and each thing I watch is more fascinating than the last. You're doing a stellar job!
@limitedoversight
@limitedoversight 7 жыл бұрын
so the design of epcot is a giant eyeball. illuminating.
@BubJeans
@BubJeans 4 жыл бұрын
bodus lol
@asdf072xxp
@asdf072xxp 7 жыл бұрын
The biggest advantage is the transportation system. (The home technology part, whatever. It's just to get peoples' attention.) But, even Disney World doesn't use its own transportation system (the cool parts). Only a few hotels have monorail access. The poor-people Disney resorts, forget about it, and even the Dolphin and Swan got bypassed.
@macsnafu
@macsnafu 7 жыл бұрын
One person's vision is another person's hell. Besides the technical considerations, Disney would have had to find 20,000 people who were willing to live and work and play the way Disney thought best. Would the 20,000 have all been Disney employees and their families? People like to do their own thing, and while you can allow for that to some degree, what usually happens is something entirely different and unexpected. Not to mention how people might change over time. Even if Epcot had been built, it would have undoubtedly changed in ways that Disney did not envision and could not plan for.
@Julia_and_the_City
@Julia_and_the_City 6 жыл бұрын
+, this is what I missed during the video, and a critical consideration.
@promontorium
@promontorium 6 жыл бұрын
This is an absolutely ridiculous criticism. 1. No they wouldn't all be Disney employees. 2. As opposed to now when people are careful about what urban design they live in? Nobody does that. 3. EPCOT didn't tell anyone who to live their life, it gave them MORE OPTIONS. What the fuck are you even going on about? He could probably find 20 million people willing to sign up today. 4. You think cities are built by the people? City governments make all the decisions, and they are usually idiots. Idiots design cities now. Why do you think Disney's vision would "hell" and even if it were "hell" to 50% of the population, that'd still be over 100 million people who disagree.
@promontorium
@promontorium 6 жыл бұрын
This wasn't a critical consideration. It was a bullshit straw man packaged as criticism. Nowhere does it say Disney would tell anyone how to live their lives. All he was doing was arranging where things might go to best facilitate quality of life. He was proposing spending a massive amount of money to make a city vastly more convenient and far more options than any city has today. Imagine if you could park under your house with your car, and then take it for a drive on roads that have 0 pedestrians, 0 big rigs and commercial vehicles, and about 1/10th as many intersections? You'd fly right to work or the store. And if you didn't want to drive, you have a monorail or people mover above ground to ride right downtown. And on the ground level children play safely in large green open spaces. And you work WHEREVER YOU WANT, and you go shop or party or visit WHATEVER YOU WANT.
@TheSongwritingCat
@TheSongwritingCat 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I felt like the video really overlooked a lot of social questions about the people living in this city. He died in the mid-60's. What else was going on/about to happen? The Vietnam War, the Civil Rights movement, second-wave feminism, the Stonewall riots, etc.
@kyriss12
@kyriss12 6 жыл бұрын
they had such cities. they were called company towns, they were really popular during the late 1800's and they were generally exploitative as hell.
@TS_Mind_Swept
@TS_Mind_Swept Жыл бұрын
What's funny is that most cities today tend to be built like this one was planned to be, and from a city design perspective it doesn't end up working out very well. I definitely appreciate the public transportation options that were included though; even if it wasn't as good as it would have needed to be, it always helps functionality
@LGREGS32
@LGREGS32 6 жыл бұрын
Walt Disney is one person I would bring back to life if I could I would love to see what he could have done if he was still alive
@robertholtz
@robertholtz 7 жыл бұрын
IMO Walt's EPCOT would've been a smashing success and an example to the world. It would have brought to rise huge innovations in city life that would've influenced other cities, not just technologically but also in terms of governance. Walt's EPCOT had the potential to be a model society designed from the start to adapt enduringly with the times. I truly believe EPCOT would have changed the world and it's truly tragic that Walt's life was cut short before he could bring his most audacious most beautiful dream to fruition.
@whisperchainsaw102
@whisperchainsaw102 7 жыл бұрын
What do you do about overcrowding and overpopulation caused by the very small ammount of housing and entertainment?
@robertholtz
@robertholtz 7 жыл бұрын
What every great city does... expand. The land mass he purchased there can accommodate generations of expansion and growth.
@descripto2586
@descripto2586 7 жыл бұрын
Well he wasn't trying to obtain every citizen. It was to serve as a blueprint for other leaders to play off of. If the city was full, he didn't have to keep accepting more people into it. If its full, its full, either expand or let the other guys deal with the problem as in, developers would've caught on that it was wildly successful and started doing the work for him like the plan was. Again, it was to set an example, not cultivate a one city utopia.
@MountainIce007
@MountainIce007 7 жыл бұрын
I think our world today would probably be a lot like what we saw in Back to the Future Part 2 if EPCOT had actually happened.
@PyroMancer2k
@PyroMancer2k 6 жыл бұрын
EPCOT as a city of the future would have failed in it's stated goal even if it did end up being just a regular city. It fails for the same reason the city of tomorrow and all the other predictions fail. That is you can't predict the future because you don't know what new technology will be created that completely transform how people live. The internet is a prime example of this as so many things we take for granted wouldn't have even been thought of just 30 years ago, let alone way back when Epcot city was being planned.
@elite1234564
@elite1234564 6 жыл бұрын
Lol this some fallout vault shit right here
@slendercream6468
@slendercream6468 6 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@cyanmanta
@cyanmanta 7 жыл бұрын
Walt could never have foreseen the rapid accelerations of new development in the tech and construction industries that would come in the decades after his death. He never could have imagined something like the internet, certainly not in its current form. And even the Epcot we got - a sort of perpetual world's fair and tech showcase - has gotten to be pretty dated due to unforeseen worldwide advances and general apathy from Disney executives (which is only now reversing with money and effort finally being allocated to the Florida parks again). Overall, I'm glad Roy decided not to adhere to Walt's original vision.
@Justin_Beaver564
@Justin_Beaver564 7 жыл бұрын
This is something I've also wondered about especially considering that Walt was already in his 60's when he came up with this and it was based on older ideas about technology and innovation. Maybe Orlando could have become a second Silicon Valley? I guess we'll never know.
@natheria4933
@natheria4933 7 жыл бұрын
Thats really intriguing. Yeah Disney sure had alot of vision back then. Your probably right as well, it would probably just become another city of the present because cities are run by people. XD Which we all know how that turns out. It is a interesting idea though.
@dchrislarson
@dchrislarson 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I often find myself daydreaming for what EPCOT could have been but all my friends look at me a little weird when I try to discuss. This was very interesting and therapeutic.
@andrewseiler3529
@andrewseiler3529 7 жыл бұрын
Love this video! I was just trying to find a podcast/ KZfaq video on this topic a few weeks ago
@videosunrelated1883
@videosunrelated1883 7 жыл бұрын
1:57 where I live is on that map... not owned by Disney either. Walt never planned for celebration either.. lmao
@robertholtz
@robertholtz 6 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebration,_Florida
@edvaira6891
@edvaira6891 7 жыл бұрын
What EPCOT ended up being was a permanent Worlds Fair....unfortunately, Worlds Fairs are a relic of the past, killed by the ridiculous ease of information gathering without have to travel to a theme park
@digitalnomad9985
@digitalnomad9985 7 жыл бұрын
Yea, I remember liking state fairs as a kid (in the 60s), I just don't remember why. Maybe I should try going to one, I haven't been in decades.
@JP_Stone
@JP_Stone 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would have been really neat to see what the finished product of Walts fully realized vision would have looked like. Ultimately I think you are right with the changes in corporate culture and just the pace at which tech is updated in modern times no way they could have kept up.
@sem_aki
@sem_aki 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I didn't even know that there was this much footage from the planning of EPCOT
@deku812
@deku812 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting point, but a lot of companies test market in real cities instead. Too bad Epcot didn't take off though, would have been a nice place to visit at least.
@flyingjunkies
@flyingjunkies 7 жыл бұрын
No Mention of Celebration Florida the Disney built City still functioning today? Good content though I enjoyed that.
@oakpineranch
@oakpineranch 6 жыл бұрын
Celebration was not part of EPCOT concept..
@thedisnerd4296
@thedisnerd4296 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, Rob!!!! My Mom and I talk about it every time we ride the people mover and look at the city model! :)
@shanestuddard3749
@shanestuddard3749 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched this several times. Your content, structure and delivery are just spectacular, Rob. I hope you read this - because I think everything Walt hoped for concerning EPCOT is still being realized in the development and expansion of Walt Disney World. I think it IS an example to the world of how mankind can create something wonderful that edifies and inspires the world. (BTW, the Pyramids did the same thing!.)
@ZephyrGlaze
@ZephyrGlaze 7 жыл бұрын
Given what Disney pays its employees, no one could afford to both live and work there.
@oakpineranch
@oakpineranch 6 жыл бұрын
WDW pays above average in Orlando area for similar jobs in hospitality industry...
@oneterribleidea
@oneterribleidea 7 жыл бұрын
Wow............................... Looks like Midgar
@parepidemosproductions4741
@parepidemosproductions4741 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for making this... definitely made it clear what and why the vision would not be as permanent as we thought it would be
@oliverstianhugaas7493
@oliverstianhugaas7493 4 жыл бұрын
*Give me 5 years and I'll turn EPCOT into a shiny light, 20 and I'll have restarted the high technology industry, 30? I'll have people in orbit and planning our journey to Mars.* - Walt Disney in 2225, New Disney world.
@darkmanstudios3828
@darkmanstudios3828 4 жыл бұрын
This city still would have failed as Florida Man would be a resident there
@billykof2584
@billykof2584 5 жыл бұрын
PUD planned urban development. They are doing EPCOT on small scale in a lot of areas
@unknownuser2897
@unknownuser2897 6 жыл бұрын
I had never heard of this project. Walt sure had big dreams. This would honestly have been awesome to see.
@grantponciano9386
@grantponciano9386 Ай бұрын
I love that ending summary. Disney parks challenge is constantly keeping their tomorrowlands up to date
@dildoshwagins2222
@dildoshwagins2222 7 жыл бұрын
I feel as if he had bigger plans he was testing his theory to see if it would work on earth then he was going to make a Disney World on Mars
@volatilesky
@volatilesky 7 жыл бұрын
the show room of homes is a bit of a misnomer. with Walt trying to monetize every aspect of the park, the "latest products" would only be given to residents that payed (and a few show homes), not handed out for free to everyone. the bigger issue is that you would be living in a city owned by the corporation, pay taxes to the incorporated city corp, buy your food from the corp grocery, goods from the corp shipping District, and your corp owned utilities + rent. maybe pay for your house via a mortgage from the corp banks. that was (and arguably still is) a serious issue. infrastructure is the other issue. Disney ran out of money early on the project, and took contracts from the military to produce propaganda and training videos for the us military to fund the main park construction. the costs of building as immense an urban experiment as was planned, on swamp ground, would have been an absolute nightmare. on top of maintenance, it doesn't appear that the​construction would have been standard, and instead been a tiered building of various service and industrial levels before the "main" level would even begin. finding funding would have jeopardised the ability of the company to remain solvent. I do think it MIGHT have been possible if a special economic zone could have been established, which might have enabled the attraction of heavy and tech industries to establish permanent facilities. but with the us economy booming following the war and flourishing until the 70s, gaining government approval for a sez seems very improbable, though maybe at the state level it could have been approached instead. as much as I think it would be a ghost town that urban explorers would love now, my head canon is that it would have flourished into an actual Tomorrow Land. *edited for an unfortunate auto correct haha
@digitalnomad9985
@digitalnomad9985 7 жыл бұрын
In order for that company store crap to work you need lock in, and that was already illegal in Walt's heyday.
@volatilesky
@volatilesky 7 жыл бұрын
Oh definitely, I'm not saying it would be a lock in community or THAT orwellian, but when it comes to shopping, it's most often that groceries and day-to-day commodities (going by research papers I've found online) usually list distances roughly between 5-15km (or travel for 15 min) as the usual distance covered by most consumers. There's outliers, and of course residents would be free to leave/travel further, but that's not going to be the majority of where money is spent on shopping excursions.
@captainharris8980
@captainharris8980 3 жыл бұрын
1:12 I've seen a lot of wealthy philanthropist minded people strive for building their version of the ultimate community and city, but they never really pan out, or at least on in the way they want. When you try to create a city from whole cloth you gloss over details like garbage collection routes, open air shops or malls or store fronts, low income areas prone to crime ... lack of sunlight or lack of shade. Cities are organic creations. They are molded by the area and terrain, not because someone thinks something would be cool.
@LincolnintheAdirondacks
@LincolnintheAdirondacks 7 жыл бұрын
Cool video! Love finding stuff like this lol
@keouine
@keouine 6 жыл бұрын
It's good for the memory of Walt Disney that it never got built or started. It would have been his Spruce Goose. In the end it's not the tech/construction/design that would have doomed it. It's the fact that (as I learned elsewhere) that residents were to stay and work a year-and bring their families--No home ownership. No say-so in the running of the place. Then return to their old life, work, school, home? THink how hard it is just to take off a few days. The constant turnover in families, workers, neighbors would be anti-community. I love gadgets but a community focused on new gadgets and machines seems heartless.
@genericasian5699
@genericasian5699 7 жыл бұрын
Oh Disney, from pioneering​ the future to now spamming bad sitcoms.
@PorkotylerClips
@PorkotylerClips 5 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when the founder’s vision is twisted by his heirs and inheritors.
@johnchalinder6682
@johnchalinder6682 6 жыл бұрын
Always a visionary; Walt has been quoted as having said: "The best way to predict the future, is to invent it." His works were a major part of my life; young and old. I watched the Mickey Mouse Club in its early days; and keep up with most of the movies. He entertained, he taught, he gave himself to making people happy. I can think of no greater or more noble effort. Walt was one human I would grant immortality to, if it were in my power to do so.
@lifestream_real
@lifestream_real 6 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic. I think you make a lot of valid points about how much has changed with the progression and pace of technology today compared with the 60s; EPCOT was an amazingly ambitious and delightful idea that, ironically, would not have aged very well. Thanks so much for this analysis!!
@JimmyDThing
@JimmyDThing 7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a giant underground road and garage system pose a SERIOUS air quality problem?
@qwertyTRiG
@qwertyTRiG 7 жыл бұрын
JimmyDThing Given electric vehicles, not so much.
@digitalnomad9985
@digitalnomad9985 7 жыл бұрын
It's a ventilation thing. Technology, in other words. And remember, this is not the size of an actual major city.
@KevinDavis338
@KevinDavis338 4 жыл бұрын
Back then maybe, however, more people are buying electric cars and we will see Electric Semis soon.
@Abeltheliar
@Abeltheliar 7 жыл бұрын
Funny it seemed an... interesting idea, that could have worked... eventually Epcot basically would have fallen victim to dead mall syndrome. only in this case dead city. and I'd be crazy enough to explore it and put it on KZfaq...
@_purplewinter_
@_purplewinter_ 5 жыл бұрын
We’re talking about a 50 year old project which concept was to build a smart city that would help people improve their living. The technology to be honest doesn’t really matter, what matters is fulfilling people’s real needs. I work with innovation and something we’re forgetting here is the word “prototype”. That’s what prototypes are for. Prototypes never really fail, they evolve, we validate with real users (in this case citizens) and engineers (the ones who will say what is possible or not) and we adjust. It’s an iterative process. If the technologies proposed by Disney were tested and failed they’d come up with something new, and you test and adjust, test and adjust forever. That’s why I think it would have worked, maybe not the 50 year old plan, but something (or various somethings) new that we’ll only find out once it’s begun. That’s where all innovations come from.
@MrTacticalShooter
@MrTacticalShooter 7 жыл бұрын
The Epcot house plans were revised into 2 different locations. Location 1 was the housing and small market for houses in the city called Celebration. The second location became Downtown Disney/Pleasure Island. And as we know they both worked. I know this because I lived in Disney's Celebration and it was awesome.
@barfolomew5235
@barfolomew5235 7 жыл бұрын
Anyone else reminded of Elon Musk when he mentioned the underground traffic tunnels? If anyone can pull it off nowadays, its him.
@timothyblazer1749
@timothyblazer1749 7 жыл бұрын
Not a problem. We build tunnels underwater for trains all the time. I don't know why the announcer thought it would be difficult. Just more pricey than boring through dry ground. You would have to dig trenches instead, and seal them as you went. Or you could use drone manned boring equipment that is sealed against water intrusion, and which extrudes temporary shoring material behind it as it goes. Then at some point you pump out the water. Back in the 60s, that probably meant digging trenches and then sealing them with underwater cement. Or use the amazingly radical technique of digging a large tunnel, doing underwater shoring every few feet or so, then inserting sealed modules which are connected together, and the seals broken after installation. Trenches are probably easier. Holland has been pumping water out of below water table land for a long time, with windmills.. so its not that difficult.
@hannibustoogfyrre6074
@hannibustoogfyrre6074 6 жыл бұрын
Timothy Black Or... just build it somewhere that doesn't have that problem!
@descripto2586
@descripto2586 7 жыл бұрын
All im saying is, you guys are thinking with hindsight. His vision could've changed the way our technology would've advanced and we may not have been on these machines communicating in the same fashion. The only thing he needed was approval from most of the greater minds in engineering. If the city were a success, it would've been the new standard and maybe we'd see more revolutionary roll outs in technology with machines that could last decades and be upgraded instead of the ever changing small technological half steps we get every year where things become more and more replaceable instead of repairable. Anywho, you're thinking as if the plan didn't include having leading developers under his wing. This is wrongful thinking, I'm sure he knew without them there'd be no city as for which he planned on having special places for them to make the future happen. This was a whole different approach at the modern city, you cannot use your thoughts today to weigh in on what could've been.
@ADAMan123
@ADAMan123 7 жыл бұрын
Love the B-Roll in this one!
@Ken_Leivonen
@Ken_Leivonen 5 жыл бұрын
Rob, thank you, I enjoy your videos on Disney very much. One way around the constant upgrading is only upgrade one apartment building and 2 of the low density housing pods (I believe there are 20 of them) every 10 years. Similar to how Disney refurbishes its resorts. So you wouldn’t be in a constant state of upgrade and it would be more manageable, your only doing 2000 units each year instead of 20,000. Ken
@scruffyea4062
@scruffyea4062 7 жыл бұрын
Bioshock 4 anyone
@PbFoot
@PbFoot 7 жыл бұрын
what if the reason companies are so secretive with innovations and new products these days is because industry did not evolve with the culture of sharing as part of the development process. if epcot was built and these technological advances were in fact showcased to even some degree, who knows how that might have affected the way companies do R&D today. but you're right, its all speculative at this point. i just remember going to epcot and being awed by the exhibits, so it would have been cool if walt actually made it happen. and as far as being a model community, i grew up in one in NJ, and although it was just a model suburb community, it did serve as an inspiration for others to get built around the world. so you never know.
@grud8495
@grud8495 4 жыл бұрын
You know Bioshock ? This is how you get Bioshock.
@mistypeek3581
@mistypeek3581 3 жыл бұрын
This will work when Walt is revived in the future, he knew it wouldn’t work then but it will be the blueprint for the future
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 7 жыл бұрын
The thing that fascinates me is that, even after Walt, Disney never *quite* gave up completely on the idea of making planned residential communities on Walt Disney World territory. Celebration, Florida is one, though they spun it off, and the Golden Oak development is another. They're not nearly as radical visions, but you can see ghosts of EPCOT in them. Even Disney Springs (when it was first built as Lake Buena Vista Shopping Village) was originally supposed to be the core of a residential community. Some of the 1970s plans had a PeopleMover network providing local transit.
@MidwaytoMainStreet
@MidwaytoMainStreet 7 жыл бұрын
For sure! I also think that while at times it sounds like a bit of a cop-out, a lot of the innovations and ideas he had for the more behind-the-scenes stuff still ended up happening with how the parks were designed. Things like having a pneumatic trash collection system and a lower level to the Magic Kingdom for utilities.
@bodyloverz30
@bodyloverz30 3 жыл бұрын
@@MidwaytoMainStreet Well like Celebration, I can imagine a hell of a HOA!
@ReallyEpicPerson
@ReallyEpicPerson 7 жыл бұрын
I live right next to Boeing in Everett!
@step2191
@step2191 6 жыл бұрын
Best factory tour anywhere in the world is Boeing Assembly Plant - Everett...hands down!
@markrobertson2052
@markrobertson2052 6 жыл бұрын
I'm from Bothell:) Ya, the Boeing plant is really a sight to see. When you see workers walking in and out of the factory, you really get a sense for how insanely enormous the place really is.
@TheGreatBlumpkin
@TheGreatBlumpkin 7 жыл бұрын
Great video!!
@johnkeyes8633
@johnkeyes8633 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Rob. You have done your homework on this subject. I believe that this Grand Design of EPCOT was no more than a Grand Idea of what a modern city could be. Even though I have no doubt that Walt and his team would have pursued this dream, I don't believe they would try to develop it all as one major project. For Walt Disney, it was all about moving in a creative direction and trying new things. What better way to achieve amazing things than to develop a visual plan (EPCOT) that is even more amazing. It sends them in the right direction and helps them stay focused.
@MrCumberlander1
@MrCumberlander1 7 жыл бұрын
The Boeing Factory is not the largest building in the world by volume anymore, Tesla's Gigafactory is bigger.
@eldafint
@eldafint 6 жыл бұрын
MrCumberlander1 Not volyme, footprint. Also the whole factory isn't built yet.
@jonc2276
@jonc2276 6 жыл бұрын
I think in my personal opinion that Epcot would have worked but with all of the changing technology how would we be able to keep up.something like horizons and the carousel of progress make you wonder and dream what life would be like down the road isn't that where we build the better tomorrow.
@bearlogg7974
@bearlogg7974 Жыл бұрын
I think its genious and could be reusuded today under the right conditions. Seeing epcot not as a city but as a living cell you can copy and paste where needed to meet humanitys demands.
@somedaywriting
@somedaywriting 6 жыл бұрын
I imagine the companies would have the housing units on some sort of rotary, so that different people were getting each new update. Not all 7000 families at one time, but maybe 50-100 at a time. That way, they also get to know how their products do over time, not just in the here and now. Keep in mind, it's only the small stuff that people don't mind updating every time something new comes out. The big stuff, most people think, "if it's not broke, don't fix it."
@AmyraCarter
@AmyraCarter 7 жыл бұрын
Would EPCOT be successful in its' outset goal? Honestly, I cannot imagine that it would be less than successful, if... A bit too successful... Caveats and limitations aside, if Venice has stood on the same structures for over two thousand years, the same types of constructs could EASILY hold EPCOT. Oh, but there is more. The innovation of technology would of been very successful, and very likely, we all would of seen innovations like the the touch-tone telephone, cellular phone, the modern computer, CDs, DVDs, the internet, and so on, at least a decade before we did. We would have wrist communicators, maybe flying cars, nuclear fusion, dark matter conversion, if not well by now, definitely before 2025. Walt Disney was a fucking genius, and he knew that what would come of his genius would not end well. To be able to handle the level of intellect that he had, at a global level, would require one to let go of many of their beliefs. Anyway... EPCOT would of worked too well. Far too well... We'd likely already have ASI...and if the mortal race were still around by then...
@RhettRicardo03
@RhettRicardo03 7 жыл бұрын
and if Walt can dream it he can do it great videos Rob
@leedove83
@leedove83 4 жыл бұрын
That's crazy. I just started watching his stuff yesterday. KZfaq knows stuff they shouldn't
@karendobrowolski2219
@karendobrowolski2219 7 жыл бұрын
This was very interesting. I tend to agree with your assessment. Things are changing so rapidly nowadays, it's hard for individuals to keep up, let alone a whole city.
@j10betty
@j10betty 7 жыл бұрын
i think walts dream is being realized by arabs in dubai
@katie3603
@katie3603 4 жыл бұрын
From what I know about Walt, he definitely didn’t envision Arabs in his dream
@gkrieg365
@gkrieg365 7 жыл бұрын
It looks similar to the Venus Project, and Atlantis. It may be the most efficient design of a city.
@GardeniaKirsty
@GardeniaKirsty 7 жыл бұрын
gkrieg365 I was thinking of the Venus Project too!! Was just about to comment on that when I saw yours. I never knew Walt Disney wanted to do something like this. Too bad it never happened.
@digitalnomad9985
@digitalnomad9985 7 жыл бұрын
The Venus Project is not a city, it is a political advocacy group. Not a libertarian "Build it and they will come," but another attempt to compel compliance with idealogical dogma.
@Maddinhpws
@Maddinhpws 6 жыл бұрын
Well if you don't look at the point of the newest tech all the time. I believe a city with that general layout of having a special layer for trucks and most of the traffic by open transportation on different levels of the city is great.
@davidhinshaw2013
@davidhinshaw2013 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video Rob. The amazing thing to me is how when someone( I must have watched a hundred of these what if videos on E.P.C.O.T. )does one of these videos, rarely if ever do they point out what Disney has built. It is a city in many senses of the word. No one could have envisioned the number of people who visit the World nowadays in the 60's and 70's. The numbers are staggering if you stop and think about it. Now granted they have made mistakes(or choices) that vary from the original ideas that Walt had. Transportation, parking and living spaces come to mind. Would it have worked? Well it did, the real question is now what do we do with it. The flaws in society that Walt wanted to change are very evident inside Disney and right at there doorstep, so what do we do now. Unfortunately, with Disney soley answering to share holders and not to a vision we will get more of the same. No longer is the goal to change the world, the goal now( and for a long time) is how do we profit off the world, and lets be real honest here, Walt was a visionary but also a showman that was concerned about making a profit. I honestly believe that part of his motivation for E.P.C.O.T. was building a better tomorrow, but deep down he also realized if he could pull his off how many more of these "Cities of Tomorrow" could be built and what would states and countries pay for him to do it.
@Level_Up_Nation
@Level_Up_Nation 7 жыл бұрын
Elon Musk going to build this lol watch.
@MrGriff305
@MrGriff305 7 жыл бұрын
GRAND HIT GAMING Tony Stark will make a new element out of it.
@adventure9119
@adventure9119 7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that be something
@hannibustoogfyrre6074
@hannibustoogfyrre6074 6 жыл бұрын
GRAND HIT He'll build it on Mars.
@FireJach
@FireJach 4 жыл бұрын
people are saying they don't like Iron Man 2. I'm saying I like it due of making a new element
@KevinDavis338
@KevinDavis338 4 жыл бұрын
On Mars....
@RFJersey
@RFJersey 7 жыл бұрын
It may have worked if it wasn't based in crappy Orlando. California or the Northeast would have been a better choice.
@MrBaskins2010
@MrBaskins2010 6 жыл бұрын
Robert Fernandez northeast would be too cold. Construction would take forever and be filled with corruption. Name any place in the northeast and theyre all shady NYC, Pittsburgh(ton of empty space), Detroit, Boston wouldn’t allow something like this
@ddragon8154
@ddragon8154 5 жыл бұрын
Probably worth building it somewhere in Britain. The Pound isn't worth Brexit so labour and materials would be cheap, it'd go some way to solving the UKs massively pressing housing problem, and the only adaptation needed would be for the fact we *insist* on driving on the wrong side of the road! ;-)
@alcaldealer8515
@alcaldealer8515 7 жыл бұрын
ty for the short info. more youtubers need to learn from you
@TheFanguy123
@TheFanguy123 6 жыл бұрын
i want to see a disney movie about this city functioning
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