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Imagine ACC with LFM like ranked built in and fixed setups races. more casual players would have an awesome experience. Specially new people.

The BMW M4 GT3 irl also has a different wing mounting just for the nords, that is 100mm further ahead of the SRO mounting point. The rules allow teams to run a smaller wing, or mount it up to 100mm further ahead. In case this is not an option, teams are forced to run much lower rear wing settings.

Safe, spongy setups is the way. More slower guys should use those and just enjoy the racing. Crank up your front ARBs and lower your insurance costs

I think alot of people or esport people or whatever.. are spoiled by those sometimes strange setups.. and from there the misconception come that acc has a problem with the suspension and so on... a bit like nils said somewhere in the middle of the video... in my experience acc never had a problem with "realistic" setups or higher rideheights... acc always did that quite well and even better in 1.9 now... however the problem is more the "unrealistic setups" and sometimes a driving style that shouldn't be as quick as it is by some (maybe not so much the esport guys but the tier below it) is not punished enough. that's why so many people run this stranger setups and some maybe even drive with a bit less finess and are still very fast with it... and with this, while it works most of the time.. it might get at times some strange handling (as it should be I think.. indeed I think with some of those setups the handling should be even more strange) .... I had multiple times where I drove a very high but a bit softer setup (for example on oulton to eat the kerbs) .. and it drove very good. Indeed from a driving experience it felt alot more fun.. it might be not as fast as those super low setups.. but felt alot more natural and comfortable to drive... So stuff were acc is not pushed out of some boundaries with a bit more realistic approach was always quite good in acc.. the thing is that "unrealistic" approaches weren't punished enough... the development got somehow strange... they try to get it more realistic and they accomplish that... for example 1.9 feels like you can drive with more finess and have a more detailed way how the car response making modulating inputs to the situation more rewarding and so on... but at the sametime.. people are also getting away with driving with a more blunt style of driving better then in the past (for example 1.7)... that problem also seems to be quite gt3 specific ... because cars like the m2 cup or porsche cup realy need a very finessed way to drive it fast.. balancing it to keep the limit high and balancing it on that limit... were in gt3s I see people just mashing the pedals and are still quite fast with that approach... with what you would be miles of in those other cars... I think it is a combination of the electronics and the aero... I think the electronics got too good... (maybe they are that good in reallife... but I see sometimes people trail braking with alot of brakepressure without modulating it down to the apex and then just stomp on the throttle exiting the turn.. and are still realy fast with that approach) ... and also the aero seems to be too forgiving in terms of variance.. I think it should be more sensitiv to changes so you actually need to care more about a stable platform... I think that would also help with those "strange" setups... because running super low with also very soft suspension should result in a very strong changing aero plattform.. maybe should also stall the underbody flow at occasions.. I think usually when running very low a stiffer suspension should be benificial even more so if it is a bit bumpy (which then needs damper tuning).. on super smooth tracks you might get away with softer suspension also but I am not an engineer but that is how I thing about aero dynamics and underbody aero flow... well wasn't planning on writing such a book... just wanted to say... driving and setting up the car in a realistic approach always worked in acc and got even better in 1.9 .. the problem is that unrealistic setups and sometimes driving style... should be alot more punishing, rather then actually gaining time through it. that's also a reason why I needed to take a brake from acc.. I realy love the game and physics when it is in a natural enviroment.. but it just feels not rewarding and no point in it, when people are faster with a quite blunt driving approach ( like I said not talking about the aliens/esport guys... those people are just super fast and can drive with alot of finess, they will always be superfast not matter the physic.. it's more about the tier below them) and strange setups no one would run in reallife. I hope ACC finds its way back if they force high rideheights on the nordschleife.. it might actually be realy alot of fun..

I always was under the inpression ACC wouldn't work on Nordschliefe becuase of how broken the suspension physics were. New update mare a very nice change though.

Raise the ride height, soften the springs, wait for all the 1 lap wonders to spin out at Adenaur Forst and then enjoy the ride.

The reason for less TC intervention is the decreased front aero and mechanical grip. If your grip balance shifts towards understeer the rear tires of course don't have to work as much. The lateral grip the rears have to deliver has become lower lower so there is more grip available for longitudinal grip. Conclusion is there is not more grip available, the car has just shifted balance which frees up grip potential for acceleration

Always refreshing seeing a video that provides a new perspective. Thanks for making it.

Massive understeer and good behaviour over curbs, so what this setup does is basically give an AMG experience to all cars 😆

I would assume that Kunos will change the parameters if it lands. They done the same with the camber angles before for the 2022 regulations.

In iRacing, the minimum ride heights is also a thing for the Nords 24h, most GT3 setups would run really low wing (Think 2, 1, 0 and in some cases even negative).

I mean, to be fair, IRL GT4 cars have five individual wheel nuts that must be loosened and tightened for tire changes, but the game still has them use one big central nut like GT3s. Concessions to reality are made everywhere.

Great video!

I trust them to get it right far more than other racing games devs. I would love to see these have a crack at the F1 game as well.

THIS IS SO EPIC! We are officially getting the Nordschlieffe!!!!!!!

Months later, with Nords released, I can't help but feel that something is wrong by the way every car is highly bouncy.

Kudos is working on ACC 2. I don’t think they would dedicate resources to add one more map to ACC. Especially considering all of the efforts it would take to make a massive overhaul to the ACC car suspension, aero dynamics, road physics, etc.

Well rumours over, we got it

I’ve know idea if the ACC cars can manage, but I’d love to find out! 🚗💨💨💨

Another great Video and thanks for all the work put into it! Cars were running lower than 70mm before the Nissan-Crash and could well do so with about 55mm on the front and around 68-75mm on the rear. It's rather a BoP/Safety thing with the 70mm minimum, I don't think Kunos will atually change anything about the setups at all if they release the Nordschleife for ACC. Afterall, the Sim is not THAT realistic that it would recreate a flip hurting spectators and it certainly hasn't bothered Kunos in all those years that people can run ridiculously unrealistic damper/spring settings. I really hope they will completely re-create the whole suspension simulation and brake feedback for AC2. Would still love to see the Nordschleife on ACC, with SRO running the 24h from 2024 its quite realistic to happen.

"return of the tractor" 🚜😂

Great video as always mate appreciate the way you break down the important details, however if Kunos even thinks about adding this track before they fix the lack of competitive cars to more then 5 it would be a great shame imho. They have failed us massively in that regard for a Sim we all love. I cannot believe that this is for ACC at all but rather AC2. How can Kunos think about giving us this “DLC” with GT2’s maybe & this track would just be yet another slap in the face. 1.9 came out & Kunos has disappeared 👏🏼

another great video, thanks. And if it comes to fruition, a track that I'll suck at, even more than Crashurst 🤣

Can this happen now in the game or make the setups unbalanced

Damn the M4 sounds great on AC.... lol

I've inhaled most copium one can imagine to say the following: maybe we will get another 2.0 physics update together with Nordschleife, and while they are on it, they can include the Mustang as well :p

Don't worry about regulations game is game we will drive our setups on open lobby. If some sort of leauges you might be ask to do this and that.

Before I begin watching the video, yes it can. Crank your fast rebounds to near maximum. Rear wing quite high. And rear spring rates softer if needed.

GT world challenge might run different specifications. I realize this is a safety thing from ADAC but there might be more margin to run lower

Do other race track enforce a maximum rake and a minimum ride height? Is this just special for the nord?

Well wouldn't the developers of ACC with the help of the driver update the game with the necessary specs to be able to handle the track. I'm sure they wouldn't just add the track without any kind of updates to the cars to apply to the rules of the track and so on.

Would increasing splitter help with the understeer?

Hi Nils, soweit ich weiß bist du ja Deutsch und werde dementsprechend hier mein Comment auf Deutsch formulieren. Es gibt da nen bekannten deutschen KZfaqr aus dem deutschen Motorsport-Bereich namens Jan-Erik Slooten aka. Ring Police. Der hat sich mal zur Real Life Setup Thematik auf der Nordschleife geäußert und (ich versuche es mal so genau wie ich mich erinnere wiederzugeben und ne Quelle anzufügen) und das wie folgt beschrieben (für den Porsche 911 GT3R, entweder 991.2 oder 992) "Du fährst raus auf die Grand Prix Strecke und fährst den Koffer erstmal so n bisschen warm und denkst dir dabei was für nen Dreck du eigentlich fährst, weil die Autos untersteuern und so extrem weich sind und genau das Gegenteil vom normalen Setup ist, dann drehst du deine paar Ründchen bis die Temps mal da sind und dann traust du dich mal auf die Nordschleife und auf einmal bist du von "was ein Schrott" bei "mega Geile Karre alter" und das einfach weil der Asphalt und die Gegebenheiten einfach so unterschiedlich sind" Quelle: noch nicht gefunden Edit: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5-gh5err92oeWw.htmlsi=aZTAbNEV5BX3DAYP&t=212 diese Quelle hab ich mal gefunden da wird das Thema so bisschen angeschnitten von ihm, allerdings hab ich das Original mit der richtigen Formulierung bisher nicht gefunden

isnt intercontinental gt challenge hosting a nord race soon? wouldnt that mean theyd have to add nord into the game

Thanks for this very good video (and I really like your replay footage at the end 👍). The thing with the not so cooperative suspension of ACC is one of the major factors, that led me to drive far more iRacing. No sim is the best, it's more a question which one FEELS best for you... but frankly your video makes me curious if it might be worth to dive into ACC back again and tinker with such more "squishy" setups with a suspension, that actually does what it is supposed to do: mitigate bumps and loss of tyre contact. Because usually standard setups with more softer suspension settings feel like garbage in ACC. But I have to say, I tried your Porsche-Setup from a few weeks (or two months or so) and if I remember correctly your suspension settings on that setup were also more on the "let's let the dampers and springs have more range and let it work more"-side... and I liked it. The only thing I don't like is the shitty (sorry for swearing) FFB in some situations, were you almost feel nothing on your wheel, no matter the FFB settings... which is not the case with any other sims driving the same car on the same tracks. That's why I like your explanations a lot... I'm a techie-guy and know some stuff about physics, but I never really sank my teeth into (race)car specific tech and how to handle physics, so to be frank, I would have a very hard time to build a decent and reasonable car setup if my life would depend on it... but after hearing your explanations I very often go like "aaaahhhh I thought so!" or "now the stuff makes sense to me!". So thank you very much for that!

So are you also saying max out the front ride height? To eliminate unstableness going over bumpy curves?

I think maybe you're thinking about it too much, you won't want low ride height and you'll want softer suspension, nothing irl needs to be exactly replicated to the exact MM in a sim, if GT7 can do it then I'm sure ACC won't have any issues.

maybe it is for AC2 not ACC?

Must be testing for AC2

Honestly was expecting a different outcome for the video. this gives me some hope! But being a console player, I have very little!

All good but... who is going to tell Kunos that now we also need the Dacia Logan?

Can I buy those gloves you are using anywhere?

M330i they are driving

The Nordschleife is certainly the most beautiful and challenging route on this planet. Nevertheless, I would find tracks like Hockenheimring, Oschersleben, Norisring much more sensible/important for ACC. The Nordschleife is more suitable for long-distance races because, among other things, there are hardly any overtaking opportunities. Who wants to do anything like running nearly an entire race in a row? In my opinion, it simply has to be possible to change position again and again in 25 minutes or 45 minutes. I love the NS, but there are simply too many more limited options than on other circuits, that's my opinion

well i'd say this video came with an awkward timing, since they anounced Nords few days ago, and a few days after you posted the video

Suspension ride height != ground clearance

Are we sure is this acc?

I think this is more for AC2 than ACC

It's more likely he was testing Asetto Corsa 2. Not ACC

Irgendwie wird es schon gehen 😁Sind ja auch mit ACC 1.8 klar gekommen irgendwie.

At the moment it's not ready, unless they go and take one of their proverbial shortcuts in the physics.

Intelligent coherent sim racers looking at PDF's , data and telemetry to figure out the best set-up for the Nordschliefe. Slightly mentally challenged wooden head like me gets in the Bentley with safe set-up.

This would be game changer massive game changer. Good for me I know every corner so I'm ready to do low 6 min and show the others how to drive in hell

no

Here's a thought. Get good. Play with a normal controller instead of an actual racing set up see how you hang. Guarantee none of yall even passed the OG Career in A.C.

Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a role model nils he's an actor.

This is exactly what I was going to say. The up and down physics are wacked in acc.