It's sad that on a rifle design whose design is 57 years old, from a Canadian company, we have to question basic function and durability.
@REIDAE4 жыл бұрын
you say that as if you expect made in canada guns to be of high quality
@gustavohonzofo3 жыл бұрын
Me. Hey Canada made some great guns didn't they? 1915 Canadian infantryman. (Ross rifle flashbacks )
@ajaxmaintenance51043 жыл бұрын
@@gustavohonzofo Canada has made and still is making good firearms. The Ross Rifle was a superb hunting/ sporting rifle that was thrust into a role that it was never designed for. (Initially the M-16’s failed American G.I.’s in Vietnam for very similar reasons: they jammed in the dirt and mud, and the M-16 was designed to be a battle rifle!) Cooey made outstanding rifles and shotguns in Canada for decades, so did C.I.L., and Savage Arms still has a plant in Ontario which is turning out great rifles ( I have a Model 97 .17 HMR which is a tack driver) Colt Canada (formerly Diemaco) builds the C-7 and derivatives for the Canadian Armed Forces in Kitchener, Ontario. (I know those are good rifles; when I served we could shoot 2”- 3” groups at 600 metres all day long, prone position, no bench rest or bipod, using only the standard issue 3.4 power optical sights.) Longbranch Lee Enfields, produced in Canada, are a prized rifle for collectors as well. So show some respect for Canadian-made firearms!
@gustavohonzofo3 жыл бұрын
@@ajaxmaintenance5104 show some respect for Canadian made guns? Dude I'm Canadian I cant poke fun and joke about Canadian made guns? The ross rifle problems go deeper than jamming in muddy conditions. If you assemble the bolt wrong on some models it can kill you. Have a sense of humor Elmo.
@duMaurier153 жыл бұрын
@@ajaxmaintenance5104 Czech Republic has 1/4 of Canada's population and produces far far superior firearms... So the Canadian Arms industry as a whole is a JOKE!! Most of those firearms you named are made via license or based on other countries btw. Nice try Elmo.
@johnirving49063 жыл бұрын
It's very nice to see a youtube video about guns with very good sound and lighting. So many are half assed. This is very well done and watchable. Good work!
@patdufresne62094 жыл бұрын
What a review! You should be designing rifles for a living. You are always bang on with your analysis. Well done. Once that Covid is gone, I will be joining the shooting club near Ottawa...I'll wait a bit to make my final decision between the WK and the MCR. I'll remain posted in case you piut more videos on them, Stay safe and once again thank you for your video.
@john-paulsilke8934 жыл бұрын
Just buy an AR15 when the Liberals are thrown out. Much better rifles and most of the time you are shooting at a range anyways.
@ssrc303 жыл бұрын
Don't matter if we toss turdumb to the curb. Law abiding gun owners have been treated like criminals for decades and it'll continue to be that way.
@john-paulsilke8933 жыл бұрын
ssrc30 probably right. ☹️
@jeffersonprice38003 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry I dont think your plans on joining a shooting club will work with the great reset.
@patdufresne62093 жыл бұрын
@@jeffersonprice3800 I know, but it gives us time to stock up on ammo, modify rifles we already have, shop for a new scope...that sort of thing.
@stevethemover3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered my WS MCR rather than the Kodiak great in-depth review
@RitzCaraldo3 жыл бұрын
+1 for the Costco t-shirt!
@wolf94484 жыл бұрын
I think the problem with gun is the same with WK 180, there trying to mass-produce this gun to keep up with orders and there making some cost save measure to get the gun out to people
@johncooper92244 жыл бұрын
They're
@duMaurier153 жыл бұрын
@@johncooper9224 Their
@dwaybetoggymackinaw58933 жыл бұрын
@@duMaurier15 they're, "they are"
@xkyox49454 жыл бұрын
Sigh. I want my AR back in business.
@duMaurier153 жыл бұрын
Me too.. As a under-sized person these WK-180 are a bit long for me. The AR-15 felt perfect. The only 223 left for me is the Type 97 :(
@2damaxmr23 жыл бұрын
@@duMaurier15 I miss my mk18 as well can easily bang gong all day long with crappy norc 5.56. Never had any malfunction in 4k to 5k rounds fired.
@anthonykamal11673 жыл бұрын
Sighhhhhhh 😔😔😔
@robertgood69853 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an informative video, and for not including crappy hard rock background music.
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
On a different day, you might get crappy background music, all depends on what the kid editor does.
@markthompson68454 жыл бұрын
Great review explaining the differences between these two riffles.
@JPJamster3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, lots of issues for a brand new gun and good on you catching them.
@floydlee35543 жыл бұрын
Man, this review was just what I needed to educate me on the WS-MCR. I thought the MCR would have been a keeper right out of the box with no mods needed after learning from the WK180 problems
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Fewer mods required and fewer/no long term parts breakages afterwards vs the WK180.
@user-ms1ei9sh4b4 жыл бұрын
good review. thank you! both rifles are kind of raw, engineering and machining culture has to increase-this is the conclusion I am making based on watching your video
@jagvillani3384 жыл бұрын
I don't expect match parts, but it's pretty sad to have so many problems out of the box for a new product. It strikes of trying to rush production to get into the market without properly testing. It really needs a Gen 2 revision, ideally with Adriel hired as a consultant, before I'll be interested.
@jhammond19013 жыл бұрын
Solid review and well spoken.
@Rokonroller3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud, good description
@DarkCatfish4 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem with some magazines not engaging the bolt hold hold and getting stuck in the gun. Frustrating. Only solution I have found was installing an aftermarket bolt hold lever (got mine from Kodiak, it fits the MCR fine), lock the bolt back manually and then drop the mag.
@jordandemarchi19263 жыл бұрын
I heard the new production MCR'S are better. With the closed receiver. They were made in September of 2020, those are better I heard
@basedcanadian68693 жыл бұрын
Where can you buy them?
@STMUN4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the 7.62x39 version will accept VZ mags.
@thomassimpson69014 жыл бұрын
It takes XCR magazines as they aren't rock in and there are 10 round pistol mags for it
@bruceholinight79783 жыл бұрын
Wonderful that we are manufacturing rifle's here in Canada , but it's typical of everything we do here in Canada , make cheap generic copies of all things American , we have everything they have just not as good ! I do have a CIL shotgun Canadian made , still functions after decade's !
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
They've improved since this v1 I show in the video. My hot take is that even the V1's are MUCH better than the original AR180B. The 180b had a polymer lower that cracked at the hinge point, a polymer forend that wasn't easy to swap out, and you had to add on a scope mount if you wanted a rail. These are better in many ways.
@GoneGolfing4 жыл бұрын
How’s the accuracy? 1 MOA? Wanted to get into an AR platform as a newbie even prior to the ban but now obviously harder to find one in Canada.
@thomassimpson69014 жыл бұрын
WK180C gets circ 2-2.5 MOA with bulk ammo, I'd expect this to do similarly. Asking for 1MOA is in m view asking a bit much of a rifle designed to be affordable to manufacture in less developed nations.
@icandothatmatt4364 жыл бұрын
You think Canada is a less developed nation? lmao wtf? ??
@thomassimpson69014 жыл бұрын
@@icandothatmatt436 the WK180C and WS-MCR rifles are reproductions of the AR18 which was designed for manufacture in less developed nations.
@steveyak29834 жыл бұрын
@@icandothatmatt436 the original purpose (back in the 1960s) of the AR-180 platform was to make it easier for less developed countries to produce. It has a stamped steel upper like the AK rather than the milled upper of the AR-15
@icandothatmatt4364 жыл бұрын
@@steveyak2983 Ok, but the wk180 was specifically developed for the canadian market. You would still expect more from this version than an ar180b produced on the cheap somewhere else If the design is actually inherently flawed then why bother
@dietrying983 жыл бұрын
Would this make a good first gun for someone?
@SayVandelay4 жыл бұрын
Yeesh, I really wanted to get a nonrestricted semi-auto Not-AR, but we're kinda shit out of luck for good alternatives, aren't we? The QA on this thing is really not instilling the confidence in me to part with at least $1500.
@Brandon-ed6yv3 жыл бұрын
Type 97 or the IWI X95, X95 is hard to find. Was looking since September and just ordered one from gotenda a few weeks back, pretty sweet gun so far. Bull pup is weird at first tho lol.
@ALee-if6ld2 жыл бұрын
I'm from America, so I might be a bit uninformed on the matter, but are Brownell's BRN-180s not available? They are essentially modernized AR-18s/180s, hence the name. They don't exactly count as AR15s due to their internals and the fact that the lower lacks a buffer tube. If you want a reliable AR15-ish alternative, do those not count?
@jamesranger62832 жыл бұрын
For the sake of longevity I would rather an all steel upper instead of all the plates, screws and inserts. To bad there are so many issues. Might consider a gen 2 or 3.
@stephenblack80273 жыл бұрын
"Shwack" Excellent.
@Matt-gk4jy2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, what mags are those? (The banana metal ones) Been looking all over for something like that. My MCR came with a shitty plastic mag. Nice review btw! Thanks
@tomkerr85133 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have any tips on Inserting and removing the firing Pin retaining pin i had a bitch of a time taking it out now i can't get it in
@dageoman Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if you have a long term review of this rifle now that it's 2023. How has it performed in the long term? Any major issues?
@McKillroy0073 жыл бұрын
I your opinion would you say that this Spectre Ltd WS MCR is better than the Kodiak Defence WK 180C ? I can’t decide on which one I might get and it seems this is the better option?
@johnp71583 жыл бұрын
same
@pablogonzalez83042 жыл бұрын
hope those snags are fixed on the gen 2
@scottbuckley65783 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of selling my gen2 T97 but I think I'll hold off its got no where the same problems like this
@skillest2314 жыл бұрын
Is the MSR able to take AR15 forends? I know on the WK180 it was proprietary.
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
Both can use other forends. Just need room for the larger gas block, so no tight small handguards.
@skillest2314 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy ah gotcha. I was hoping I could make some weird C7 bubba AR180 build, but I'm assuming the c7 handguard would be too small. Thanks!
@lotrhalo2 жыл бұрын
Okay, you know a hell of a lot mote about guns than I do, but I as you changed the stock, I had a question. Is it possible to put an old M16A2 full stock onto this? Just curious on different build ideas as I am wanting to get one of these in the new year. Thanks for the great review!
@Huntinggearguy2 жыл бұрын
With a Dremel, JB weld and God, anything is possible. But yeah, you can do an A2 stock and buffer tube if you want.
@jlau3174 жыл бұрын
Time for a type 97 gen 3 it seems
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
It'd probably be more reliable/durable for the money, but a T97 is far worse for competitions like 3 gun.
@jlau3174 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy yeah but at this point we don't have many affordable options in the 1.5k budget
@molonlabe4204 жыл бұрын
@@jlau317 next best up would probably be the m10x at around 1900
@jlau3174 жыл бұрын
@Pgon was known about 3 months ago, also the type 81 might make a come back in a different form
@soensocomrade6004 жыл бұрын
@@jlau317 Really? Where'd you hear that? And what different form?
@Majuscule20124 жыл бұрын
Am planning to get a MCR and put a 14,5 inch barrel on it. I know it will become restricted. Do its easy to do with regulation and laws?
@icandothatmatt4364 жыл бұрын
People doing stuff like that is what spoils non-restricted guns for everyone else
@MrWinchester19953 жыл бұрын
What’s the point?... like the other guy said your stunt will make this gun seem awful to anti gun people. Buy it how it is and use it as such.
@KapitanPoop3 жыл бұрын
“ I know it will become restricted..” - has no idea what he’s talking about.... Stick to airsoft, kid.
@TheShoelessGuy3 жыл бұрын
What store did you purchase the bolt catcher from? I can't find a range work accessories online or on google maps. I live in Calgary
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Range Warrior Accessories is in Calgary
@nelsonm50323 жыл бұрын
the safety is an issue! has that been addressed? or maybe just a one off?
@cullenboh25574 жыл бұрын
What optic and stock do you have on the wk180?
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
Magpul MOE fixed, aimpoint pro optic and a Nikon p series mount, rra NM 2 stage trigger
@paulw58473 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the review. However this is double price of SW Sport 2 and needs fixing when your get it. Why are our standards so low?
@jimmyashtray76654 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous. I want one so bad.
@internetexpert81534 жыл бұрын
These are hideous. They are only sought after because they are cheap and really the only thing left legal
@jimmyashtray76654 жыл бұрын
@@internetexpert8153 I think they look just fine. Plus they're NR so whatever. Why, what would you suggest for a NR 3 Gun rifle?
@internetexpert81534 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyashtray7665 I mean if moneys no thing then I'd go tavor. But these can't be beat for the price given the giant confiscation that's taken place.
@jimmyashtray76654 жыл бұрын
@@internetexpert8153 True, but I'd rather buy something Canadian made than an Israeli manufactured firearm.
@internetexpert81534 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyashtray7665 I guess. Personally every thing follows function for me. Couldn't care less where its made if it runs as it should
@jamesranger62832 жыл бұрын
Is anyone running the Benelli MR1 in matches? Any info on that would be great. Mabe a review.
@paint4pain4 жыл бұрын
Hey does anyone know how this and the 180 prevent firing out of battery? On the AR the strike face of the firing pin is shrouded until the bolt is in battery is it the same on this? I haven't seen a bolt carrier disassembled yet.
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
Firing out of battery is unlikely with rotating bolt designs like this. The firing pin is protected by the bottom of the bolt carrier, AND the firing pin won't reach the bolt face unless it's rotated in place. I'll show some pics of the bolt disassembly on huntinggearguy.com
@spencercochrane39653 жыл бұрын
Great review! Any idea what would cause the safety on an MCR to be completely stuck? Just got one brand new and out of the box the safety doesnt want to budge out of the fire position..
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Is the action cocked? You can't put it on safe if the hammer is forward.
@spencercochrane39653 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy nope tried it with the action locked open and forward, I’ve got the upper and lower apart now and with the hammer down I still can’t get it to budge.
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
@@spencercochrane3965 I'd contact their support and see if they can figure it out.
@spencercochrane39653 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy yeah I figured as much. Was hoping I might of just been doing something wrong. Any how thanks man really appreciate the feedback.
@yodasecondave3 жыл бұрын
I picked one up,. The two channels (cuts) for the charging handle on the sides of the receiver are starting to make my zombie apocalypse brain sad. I wish they had a spring-loaded cover like the galil ace...then again I wish I had a galil ace....Oh Canada.
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
The new ones don't have a charging handle slot on the right hand side and are left hand charge only, right?
@yodasecondave3 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy That's a negative as far as I know. I bought mine like two months ago (ish?) it has ambi charging handle slots.
@yodasecondave3 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy Oh dang, you're right. I just went and looked at the WS website and the photo now shows no slot on the ejection side...I must have just missed out.
@larryanderson43863 жыл бұрын
My ws mcr does not like magpul pmags. There are frequent failure to feeds, failure to extract, and double feeds when using gen3 pmags. Gen2 pmags are completely unusable in them. It seems to work consistently with metal magazines. Is this normal for the ws mcr?
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
I usually run metal mags and Cross lar mags, both work fine
@larryanderson43863 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy PMags induce a lot of stoppages in mine. Can you look into this? I think it might be a design flaw in the rifle when it can't properly function with the most popular and reliable 556 magazine on the market.
@mikebaltaz67093 жыл бұрын
What Optic with the cantilever mount do you have on your WS-MCR ?
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Aimpoint PRO. I couldn't use their included base because the knob hits the receiver before it fully tightens the clamp, so I replaced it with a Nikon P-mount. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fJ5mhc2ovZzaiKs.html
@bungiskungis3433 жыл бұрын
They would pin it to one round if they could.
@branthodson68484 жыл бұрын
Is the handguard able to be changed out?
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
Yep, just needs lots of room for the gas block.
@kekservative32184 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy but in terms of mounting, wider AR15 handguards (eg Odin Works O2) should work, right?
@headhunter2573 жыл бұрын
Can you swap the top half to each other rifles different lowers?
@headhunter2573 жыл бұрын
Like your ws to your wk
@fattonyd232 Жыл бұрын
Would you take this over a type 97?
@Huntinggearguy Жыл бұрын
For shooting competitions: yes. For just a bang-around truck/quad/side-by-side gun, the T97 might be a better option.
@benbarteaux333 жыл бұрын
What after market triggers work in the ws-mcr ,I want to change out the factory one
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
A component style RRA trigger worked for me. I'd imagine the Geiselle triggers would work too.
@benbarteaux333 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy thank you
@zhouanderson82794 жыл бұрын
The biggest issue of this one is NO WHERE TO BUY!
@rajsteint64874 жыл бұрын
Go to a few gun shop sites including Wolverine Supplies and get put on email alert for when they have them in stock. I just got mine not too long ago.
@jeff650x3 жыл бұрын
What bolt hold open did you install for the mag issue?
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
The RWA one. I've heard that the Kodiak one works too
@jeff650x3 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy thank you, I have decided to sell the WK and replace with the new gen ws mcr gonna loosen and locktite safety switch, throw in jp reduced power spring set for trigger, add a muzzle brake and change out that retaining pin pretty much can swap over my grips and lpvo or red dot and rock and roll. The extractor spring in these seems to be running ok? The wk one was weak and needed changed in most.
@jeff650x3 жыл бұрын
Im wondering if the solid ar 15 retaining pin from tna would be a better option over the roll pin included and a standard ar 15 retaining pin....
@wesleythibodeau71104 жыл бұрын
Hey where could someone find a proper retainer pin for bolt carrier? Thanks
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
Out of an AR15? True North Arms would be a good place.
@wesleythibodeau71104 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy will one from a AR work in a ws-mcr?
@rahuln183 жыл бұрын
Did you ever fix the safety?
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Yep, send me an email and I'll show you what I did. As far as I know, new ones are fine and don't need the mod
@harshavijay35173 жыл бұрын
is it safe to use 223 ammo on the 5.56 MCR?
@legalweapons53893 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
You can use 223 in a 556 chamber no problem.
@BackyardBushboys3 жыл бұрын
What’s better for durability/reliability, wk or mcr ?
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
TBD once more people get more rounds downrange. So far, I haven't heard of people having parts breakage issues with the MCR, other than the firing pin retaining pin. The WK180s are known to break charging handles and pistons.
@BackyardBushboys3 жыл бұрын
The Hunting Gear Guy I have a WK, so I was afraid that would be the answer. We are runnin out of non-res “black rifles”, especially reliable ones. If all this goes back to normal (gun law-wise) I may just invest in a Xcr. Thanks for the response !
@2damaxmr23 жыл бұрын
@@BackyardBushboys Oh boy... i hope you saved your dollar. I had XCR in the past and it is junk for the money.
@Ryan.the.saiyan3 жыл бұрын
Hey where can I join to shoot and move like that? Tired of boring ranges standing in one spot
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Which province are you in?
@Ryan.the.saiyan3 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy toronto, Ontario
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
IPSC is popular out there. There are a few ranges that run 3 gun matches from time to time.
@Ryan.the.saiyan3 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy nice thanks
@Kilo4163 жыл бұрын
Kodiak has a problem with releasing sub-par rifles, there shouldn't be any real need to "fix" the rifle aside from personal customization
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
This one's not made by Kodiak.
@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati4 жыл бұрын
it takes pmags right ?
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati4 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy it sure is ugly but it shall do thanks
@REIDAE4 жыл бұрын
Ill have you know that my $20 aliexpress magpul clone stock has never failed me
@addicted2trains3 жыл бұрын
With the possibility of an election in the future it’s time to convince everyone to remove the Liberals voice from Canadians and allow us to enjoy our sport!
@ueg-zm8wf2 жыл бұрын
how come this rifle non restricted and ar15 ban from canada? what a funny law !!!! and also pin magazine at 5 bullets but criminal remove that pin and put 30 rounds in.......that law only suffering good people in canada!!!!
@muffinxcancer4 жыл бұрын
Vote for our right to carry hand guns for self defence
@Chris-jr2nu3 жыл бұрын
Seems like its vote cons or vote to be unarmed.
@jonathanoakley883 жыл бұрын
so long and short they are selling a rifle thats worth $500 for $1400?. After spending 1400 on a rifle, the only thing that should need to be purchased is an optic. Was going to buy one of these today. No thanks!
@joshlockie92853 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna start running guns across the border, this has gotten ridiculous
@uc53374 жыл бұрын
It’s an AR Frankenstein! Ugly as fuck! No thanks.
@ryanwilson86293 жыл бұрын
Don't buy. Put your money into legal battle.
@Huntinggearguy3 жыл бұрын
Why not both?
@ryanwilson86293 жыл бұрын
I think it's an ugly gun. I've read so many reports of function issues and part breakage. Why make a concession and spend money on that? Instead put that money and effort into flushing Trudeau. I'm always surprised when Canadians are willing to buy Canadian edition abominations like a Glock 19 with an extended barrel. I won't buy that as a matter of principle.
@rippertrain4 жыл бұрын
This will be banned next
@aweaeawwfwawe73943 жыл бұрын
so?
@rippertrain3 жыл бұрын
@@aweaeawwfwawe7394 so dont buy one you will lose money
@moglyz99113 жыл бұрын
still here
@SksToTheMini143 жыл бұрын
Banned yes, traceable no.
@aweaeawwfwawe73943 жыл бұрын
@@SksToTheMini14 ooohhh, thats a bingoooo
@ryryk69774 жыл бұрын
I’d keep these semi autos low key
@SurreyScum4 жыл бұрын
What for you fool, RCMP already knew of its existence before WS could even begin manufacturing
@wilfdarr4 жыл бұрын
Dammit, quit showing them the ones they missed until either the court injunction is in place or the election happens! Seriously!
@Huntinggearguy4 жыл бұрын
They have a database with everything in it. They didn't miss anything.
@wilfdarr4 жыл бұрын
@@Huntinggearguy If the database was worth the electrons it was written with they wouldn't have lumped 22s and 12 gauges in with ARs. They didn't use a database, they used emotions, and you show them that gun, all they'll see is an AR missed by a technicality: they'll be asking why you still have an AR. They don't know the difference (in truth, I don't know the difference, they're all semis, one is not more dangerous than another!) and the RCMP are adding to the list every couple of weeks. The last thing we need is the wrong person seeing this and calling someone who knows someone who gets it put on an updated list for political reasons. This is just not the right time to advertise just how stupid their list is. Just wait a few weeks and see if we get the injunction. Please.
@davejones674 жыл бұрын
Wilfred Darr oh relax....they know about these guns I’m sure
@bryce31874 жыл бұрын
Dave Jones right, god forbid you mention one of these rifles on r/Canadaguns. People get their panties in a bunch and have a melt down.
@wilfdarr4 жыл бұрын
@@bryce3187 They see anything with a pmag in front of the trigger they think it's an 👹AR15. They haven't got a clue. Have you actually looked at the list of 1900 guns? It's all over the map! Not to mention the hundreds of others that they accidentally banned (like 12 Gauges with removable chokes)!