On a Buffy fan group, somebody once commented "the most ironic thing is, the works of Joss Whedon moulded me into the kind of person who would never stand for the behaviours of someone like Joss Whedon." I felt that.

Back in the early 2000s I was over helping a co-worker fix his computer at his house and he called me a nerd jokingly. His teenage daughter who was in the room said 'Don't you know, nerds are sexy now'. Keep in mind at that time i was in my mid thirties. I just wanted to sink into the floor and die.

Serenity was a damn good film. Even if you're weren't already steeped in Firefly lore, the movie's story is self-contained, and caters to both superfans and newcomers alike. It's still worth watching to this day, nearly 18 years later.

The amount of forgiveness Woody Allen has gotten over the years just befuddles my brain

I saw Serenity in the theater. I loved it. It was a tragic and fun ending to a brilliant and gone to soon show.

11:50 I don't know why anyone calls "Cabin in the Woods" a horror film. This was a straight up comedy

He was seen as a champion of nerds and strong women. Now, he's known for harassing both.

not a ghost writer but a script doctor

Saw an episode of firefly while quite drunk at a mates party and was fixed on it, went home and watched the whole first season a week later. What an absolute gem of a show. It totally deserved more and Serenity was a great movie too. Would love to see (however unlikely) a limited series for sure. Not a remake please 🙏

In 2012 this dude was on top of the world... Directing The Avengers and being worshipped by fans of Firefly/Buffy the world over.... I don't think I've seen a fall from grace happen so fast to a successful filmmaker.

He's like that friend you work with who gets the Manager position,and then isn't your friend anymore.😂

Such a drastic shift. He was a pillar in the entertainment world and had his own universe, "The Whedonverse", at one point.

"Everything special about you came from a bottle" is still the greatest diss ever on cinema

I've been collecting comics since the 80s. Superheroes were always cool. It's just the rest of the world finally caught up

I've loved most of what Joss Whedon has done, it's a shame that he turned out to be such a bully.

I LOVED the television show Firefly and movie Serenity. I really miss that show.

Joss is not a great person. But he clearly has great talent and an incredible imagination. I'm so sad he turned out this way. Take all of my favorite films and series and his name is attached to the majority of them. FeelsBadMan

If Kevin Feige wants to save the MCU he should quietly bring back Joss Whedon to whip everyone back into shape and make things more engaging again.

I loved the concept and casting of Doll House! I really wish it had gotten one more season, tho, to wrap things up.

I remember hearing that Joss Whedon was going to make The Avengers. That's when I knew that movie would be good. I idolized the hell outta the guy and he's one of the reasons I'm trying to be a writer. So I really hope he manages to reclaim himself somehow. However Age Of Ultron deserved more mention because that film had been claimed to have broke him for a while with all the crap he had to juggle at once.

" Is it possible that with time, and a massive dose of humility and hubris, we could see Joss Whedon return to the world of crafting characters that form massive followings? " LOL, yes, another massive dose of hubris is what Joss Whedon needs to earn forgiveness. If there's one thing Whedon doesn't have enough of is hubris...

Ironically every single Marvel film is now a Joss Whedon lite copy of a copy only without any of the wit or charm. This is why we got MODOK complaining that he is not a dick.

All he had to do was just be a nice person, then he would still have his career

Honestly, y'all should read that New Yorker article. Like the video says, its unhinged. paraphrasing: "I had no choice but to cheat on my wife, i grew up a nerd and now i had all these young actresses around me!"

I had been wondering about this for a while. Thank you for doing a video about it my friend.

I will admit to first being aware of him from Avengers. I knew about shows like Buffy and Angel before then, but didn’t know he created them

Joss Whedon didn’t come from out of nowhere. His dad is Tom Whedon, who was well established in the entertainment industry.

Whedon once remarked that High School was hell for him. He was bullied constantly. One of the worst things that can happen to a person is to become the thing that they hated.Whedon hated bullies, but when he got power --he became one.

Yeah, hubris means excessively arrogant and self-important. The word I think your writers were aiming for, is humility. He certainly won't, won't need more hubris for forgiveness.

Zach Snyder's daughter died while he was filming Justice League and left the production before it was finished. Rather than wait for Zach to finish grieving, Warner Bros took advantage and brought in Joss to re-write/complete the film. Afterward, there was some backlash against Mr. Whedon and a few other DC people which opened the door for others in the industry to chime in. In sort turn, Joss was cancelled. Its still surreal to me how quickly the heel turn happened: from ostracized nerd to adored darling to ostracized bastard. The lesson is: dont become famous. The machine will feed you and nurture your worst traits until it finally destroys you.

He short fused. His ego had him imploded.

Broke my heart to find out he was a prick in nature.

Had good times watching animaniacs back in the day. I got that reference.

Do a Wtf happened to Chris Carter for the next episode, please?

I still love his TV shows. Sue me!

Hubris? No, hubris is what Joss HAS had. It's what he needs to get rid of. Dude, seriously - use your dictionary.

Just goes to show that there’s more to being a well-rounded person than being a ‘nerd.'

had he had the actual support from the network,, and they let him alone, Firefly would have lasted 4 or 5 yrs.. at least... i love Serenity. still watch, re watch it, over and over.. holds up very very well today.. recommend it for anyone... its a standalone if you never saw any of the series.. its just that good

I always wondered why Joss Whedon could write such complex villains.... I don't any more.

Being Joss Whedon is what happened to Joss Whedon. He has no one to blame for his downfall other than himself.

Hulk flinging Loki around is never gonna get old, punny god

Lovely background music playing throughout parts of this, was very pleasant.

Way back when as a kid I entered a sweepstakes and won a Titan AE soundtrack on... get this... CD. Which was awesome!

Not really sure what happened to Josh Whedon but I got a good idea what happened to those that he worked with and directed. Angrily clapped from here to infinity.

Die a hero or live long enough to become a villain!.... really hope he comes back a better person and start making some amazing movies/ TV shows cause he was very talented!!

Cabin in the Woods was so so so good! My favorite horror movie of all time!

lol COME ON not to defend him but he said the character Spike was dead, not the actor James Marsters. Ya know because the original plan was for Spike to be killed in season 2

A massive dose of humility and hubris would cancel each other out. That’s essentially an oxymoron. Humility is synonymous with modesty and being humble/unpretentious. Hubris is synonymous with arrogance, vanity, and conceit. In the case of humility vs. hubris, we want the former, not the latter.

Its very disheartening when someone who called himself an ally turned out to be such a jerk! It's even more difficult for me bc I love Buffy and MAAN is my favorite Shakespeare play. There aren't enough adaptations of it and I was glad to see a well done modern one. I do hope he takes responsibility for his actions and goes on to repent for them. I'm tired of apologies that include "I'm sorry you felt that way" and "as a father of daughters" since these types of apologies don't take actions into account and instead provide excuses for past behavior.

Fair video. Alot to cover in 24 minutes. I thought what Joss did for scripts was called "script doctor", Carrie Fisher also would act as one for movie scripts. I thought "ghost writer" was what is called of people that didnt get credited for scripts. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong.

In my opinion Cordelia was meant to be in Angel till it ended season 4 to me felt like he wrote it to force charisma out it seemed forced to me

This "new information about Joss" has saddened me... What a "switch-up" to reality. FIREFLY and SENERITY have been my favorites, but as viewers, we never get to meet the individual that we "idolize", now I am grateful that I never did! It's like in 1989 when my younger brother and I met "Ken Griffy Jr." at the mall, he was a glorified succubus of the press and treated fans like shit when we asked for signatures on our $10 Tops MLP cards... Stars just want to be left alone, and I understand that, but when they are in a public environment, they should "smoke a joint" before entering the building!

Love his Astonishing X-Men comic book series.

So he was mean and his ex-wife made unsubstantiated accusations. It sounds like a dog pile of people who were jealous of his success.

I binged Firefly's entire 1st season in 2005 , I knew of Joss Whedon from being a huge Buffy fan and me and my friend April were gonna go see Serenity the day it came out so I wanted to be in the know...... that started a long string of love for Whedon's projects. Apparently he wasn't easy to work with. . . . but with classics like Cabin In The Woods and big blockbusters like The Avengers Movies no one can deny this mans work is genus!

Why is everyone so afraid to say that Zack Snyder's daughter committed suicide? Because that's what happened...

Joss is awesome!!! Still my favorite nerd!!!

Hush was great and my fave buffy episode. And I may be alone in this but I loved that show the Nevers ...josstice league. Great vid I loved it

Joss's attitude to Charisma Carpenter could be the nerd's ultimate revenge against the prom queen from High School.

So the worst thing Joss Whedon had done was being rude to actors. Bad, but hardly something unforgivable.

17:01 "...and their sister, Dot." 😂 I miss the Animaniacs.

What's the name of the music used at 11:48? It's a pretty chill bop

What was that theme that played during your statement on Aliens???

buffy was great because action, comedy, drama and characters.

Uh .. is fame some sort of magical thing that makes anyone not nice to someone famous a terrible villain? All these famous people, (made famous primarily for acting in productions by a person), complaining about someone "being less than deferential" while making them rich and famous -- sounds like trying to get away with the goods. Is being an actor supposed to be a carefree funfest for them, or is it a job, that they can quit if they don't like it, or appeal to the union if they feel things are not right at the workplace. Or is fame and fortune worth suffering for their art, and then complaining later but not giving up the money or the fame? I notice no one that is currently "on the up" does the complaining, only those whose star is fading, and they need some press time. The whole "Joss made me the big Actor that I am, but I guess he should be destroyed, cause the hollywood scandal sheets like the idea ..." leaves me cold. So does the idea that because a couple of people who are famous complain, it makes a big difference more than the thousands of unfamous people that complain about other people. There is some kind of "grim fun" to trying to take Joss Whedon out, because he basically has no defense, so the accusations do nothing but garner some sympathy for a few struggling actors that apparently can't get the shine back in their stars. And of course it is easier from an outsider's perspective to side with the visible good looking ones, that have their personas written for them to be sympathized with. For some reason we think that the actors on shows know more about how things are in the industry than those that actually make the shows ... that again is a function of the press and PR hype machine. I say let the work speak for itself, personal BS of actors, directors, so on is personal. Harvey Weinstein, of course is primarily responsible, because he was an actual rapist with an actual bunch of accomplices letting it happen willingly, and that is true monstrocity, so the spill-over to anyone accused of being a jerk is colored by that. Joss will be back, because he really only had a messy divorce that caused some ugly press, treating him like Jeffery Dahmer and talking about him like he is leaving a trail of bodies behind him in his wake is really a gross injustice. The piling on in the giant crapfest against him is telling in itself, and part of the darkness of human nature, a sick groupthink, mob justice with no thought of any blowback on the accusers. Don't Like Joss? Don't support the studios that make projects with him, by not buying the channels, not looking at the product. It's easy. Just don't consume the media. Let those who do go ahead, but don't try to third-person shame them for liking some show or movie.

I hope, I pray Joss Whedon comes back. I loved his work. Cancel culture be dambed

I wondered what if joss whedon was involved in a Black Widow movie back when he did the first two avengers films, will it be better or worse than what we got?

Seriously if justice league would have been as good as Avengers no one would care that joss was mean to actors. They certainly wouldn't be considering these things abuse and making videos that say joss wasnt allowed around a teenager without important context. It is definitely a lie to say joss was threatening to kill an actor, when that actor has specifically and repeatedly said he knew Joss was talking to his character and did not feel threatened (corporate would not allow joss to kill off spike). I could go through how ridiculous all these claims are, like cyborgs claiming joss made him whiter in the final cut of Justice League, or charisma Carpenter claiming horrible abuse but the worst she can come up with is she over heard him call her fat when she was pregnant. There's a big difference between being abusive or harassing people and just being an ass. There are actual legal definitions for these terms.

James cameron rude ok joss rude not ok

His forehead kept growing but not his mind

Never meet your heroes man. Never. He was my hero.

He got cancelled after allegations against him were revealed that he was verbally abusive to the cast of Buffy The Vampire Slayer and would threaten the cast with violence.

What a one sided report. Clearly a Snyder fan😐

2023 was not the year I expected to hear a mention of “The Killer Angels”.

In his lowly defense, Whedon was purposely brought in by Warner Bros to make JUSTICE LEAGUE more Marvel-like and to lighten it all up. Looking at both versions, Snyder had his own silly nonsense going on in both versions.

I have a number of issues with some of the allegations against him. Charisma Carpenter's comments for example are expressions of how she felt - not actual acts he did... and she refuses to be more specific on some of the details - which makes me think there is more to it than a vulnerable actress being berated by a Misogynist director. Some of what she alleges such as her tattoo was unprofessional on her part not his. Sarah Michelle Gellar and Amber Benson's comments lack any detail either. And as for Trachtenberg - as a 14 year old minor working on a TV show - no-one should have been left alone with her - so its odd that it needs to be pointed out that Joss wasn't... Also why wasn't he? The lack of clarity invites the worst speculation rather than actually saying what happened. Ray Fisher took umbrage at having his character rewritten and having his input rejected - and then alleged all manner of false allegations of racism against Whedon which were found after an extensive investigation (in which Fisher had a major say in how it was conducted - because he kept disagreeing with the people appointed to do it) to have zero merit whatsoever. It's telling though that many of the instances of alleged abuse happen when Whedon's hard work on shows of movies is being undermined by others - studio execs or actors. Either by becoming too popular in the case of Spike - getting pregnant and forcing an entire series to be rewritten at a time when he was writing and show running three seperate shows in the case of Carpenter, or actors refusing to film scenes or shoehorn in their own writing when Whedon was tasked with finishing Justice League. (incidentally whilst Whedon's version is bad - Snyder's would never have made it to cinemas with his eventual cut - especially since much of it was added LONG after the initial cinematic release and it's also bad.) All this points to an individual dealing poorly with intense stress and lashing out. The fact this was never addressed before is a cause for concern but film and TV sets are not immune to egos and arguments... I can't help but feel that the allegations against Whedon are a collection of his worst moments rather than the overall experience of working with him - many of his past collaborators have expressed that their experiences of him were wholly positive, and we don't know what the actors themselves were like to work with either. Truthfully the MCU could really do with having his input again - if only as an uncredited ghost writer as its seriously floundering at the moment and nothing that has been alleged has actually been criminal.

The thumbnail pic looks more like LeonLush than Joss Whedon!😂😂 I was confused at first😂

'Think it stars a little Leonardo DiCaprio" Proceeds to show an obvious Leonardo DiCaprio

You can't entirely blame Whedon for the 2017 version of Justice League. When Snyder left JL, WB refused to wait for him to return or change the movie's release date to properly deal with his family tragedy. WB gave Whedon only 6 months to re-write, reshoot, and finish a movie that wasn't his just so WB could keep their year-end bonuses. You could try to imagine that it was a lot of pressure from WB that provoked Whedon to behave unprofessionally on the set of JL. I fully support the people coming out to speak against him, but he's not the only one to be blamed. Plus, Snyder provoked WB to interfere with JL because of the panned reception of BvS. If Snyder had done a good job, the DCEU would not have been as fractured as it is today, and Whedon would never have been involved.

You should make a video About what happened to J.J. Abrams, I mean he and Joss Whedon were the biggest movie directors of the last decade, but now Joss' career is over for a while, and J.J. Abrams isn't even mentioned, as if he disappeared. Seeing how he was considered to be a director on the level of Spielberg, his name is quite dead these days, and this decade he did not have a single film or television project, simply a relic of the past.

Joss was never a nerd or a feminist. He was a chameleon, an poser.

Firefly, Serenity, Ironman and the Avengers are my favorite series and movies and finding out he was involved in Toy Story, Titan A.E and Alien makes me appreciate him more. Hope he gets back to making epic sci fi.

No one ever mentions how The Cabin in the Woods seems A LOT like a film adaptation of the board game Betrayal at House on the Hill. Probably because very few people even know that game exists, I guess. But it is amazing how similar they are.

He's rich AF he can afford to lay low until people forget

He was super lucky to be the son of acclaimed TV writer, Tom Whedon. Joss is a talented nepo-baby.

As a woman, I just wanna let some men out there know that these men in Hollywood does not represent you.

Hollywood forgets pedophiles like bryan singer, Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, but cancel actual good directors for being mean… Put him in anger management and #BringBackFirefly

At 1.5x speed the narrator sounds like he’s talking at normal speed.

it's crazy to me that the Buffy movie was 'a flop'. I was a tween girl when it came out and horror was a way my Dad and I bonded, so we both loved it and he would rent it any time I asked. it was our thing. when the show came out when I was a young adult we got to bond over it all over again. the memories aren't really tainted but it just goes to show that perspective changes over time. I agree that Joss's works ironically made me wary of people like him, as other people have said

In that end credits sharma scene captain America has his hand over his face cause he had grown a mustache for his next movie.

Damn! I love lots of his stuff without ever having heard his name!

I still like joss whedon, there nobody in Hollywood can write creative cool slick dialogues and one liners better than him, I trying to write just like him, but I want to know his secret the way he use his wordplay, besides he didn't do anything way worst then Ezra Miller and amber heard

Cabin in the woods blew my mind I went from half paying attention to wtf full attention

Shawarma was RDJ's idea.

The amount of stuff u left out is staggering!!! Just another hit piece

Having worked with hard a$% bosses that are miserable but get results. Let's be real things like Buffy and Angel would have never existed along with many if the actresses/actors. It is funny they praised the man for years and then all decide to come clean.

Never let joss wheden cook ever again,like never again.

As someone who has closely followed Joss' carreer since Buffy, I'd like to add some tidbits of info that didn't fit the video: • Joss is a nepo baby. Both his father and his grandfather were screenwriters. Joss had the best education and probably a lot of doors opened for him because of this; • Alien Resurrection was butched by director Jean Pierre Jeunet and FOX. The third act was completely rewritten (it was supposed to be a battle for Earth, saving it from being dominated by aliens.) The tone was changed, the sets were too well lit for a horror, the acting was atrocious even by great actors such as Ron Perlman. The original Joss script is pretty neat. You can find it easily enough on Google; • Joss did NOT do a page one rewrite of Justice League. I've compared his cut to Snyder's and they're different, but similar in a lot of ways. If Joss had done a page one rewrite, we would probably have gotten something decent; • Josstice League was doomed from the start. WB demanded a 2 hour cut for a movie that originally was supposed to be made into a two-parter. It truly was impossible to make that script fit and make sense in only 2 hours. He had an outrageous crunchy time to finish, edit and CGI it, which is why the movie ended up looking the way it did. I don't like Josstice League but I understand why it came out the way it did; • The second part of The Nevers' Season 1 was done without him, executive produced by new showrunner Philippa Goslett (who ruined it.) The first part, done by Joss, is criminally underrated and remains one of my favorite things he has done. It's the type of show you must watch more than once to peel away layers and understand completely.

So..where does someone Kubrick stand? Joss's infractions, and I have hesrdall of them repeated on many podcasts..are all the same..and seem kinda trivial. I guess working in medicine, you get used to having thicker skin. While Spike was great..in both shows. I could see his arc being over. I would have been upset too, if i was told how to write my own show.

Nice Animaniacs reference.