The wireless adapter just seems more stable and reliable is the main reason I use it. If the only Bluetooth device you have is the controller it's usually fine but I've run into issues having both the controller and a Bluetooth headset connected at the same time (and yes this was with a very nice wireless card with giant antennas and everything). Imo it's never a bad idea to give your controller it's own dedicated wireless lane, so to speak.
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@Zaraien2 жыл бұрын
Does it work with elite series 2?
@Gentamoru2 жыл бұрын
Just what I was thinking, I didn't know which one would be best tho :P, although my headset is from corsair and it already has a dedicated wireless adapter
@TheStereoField2 жыл бұрын
5 ms is less than one frame of delay until you’re playing at 200+ fps. So if you are hella sweaty and play at 240hz+ maybe it makes sense to buy the adapter. But for 60 or 120 fps guaranteed you’re not ever going to notice.
@tek16452 жыл бұрын
That's because you have old Bluetooth. My wifi 6 adapter also includes Bluetooth 5.0 where I can connect multiple devices without any problems
@Ahil9823 жыл бұрын
Dude, great video! Thank you! Very much appreciated, this is exactly what I was looking for.
@ChristDisciple913 жыл бұрын
Very clever way to see the data showing the comparison. Great job! 👍
@bitTorrenter3 жыл бұрын
Me too😁
@alexmaurice42747 ай бұрын
some places say like 10 ms delay others like this vid say closer to 50ms im confused
@brianbrian_brian_brian3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I was searching everywhere for a video like this. Well done.
@theevilmuppet3 жыл бұрын
You presented the raw data, explained your methodology and specified all your constraints - exactly what I was hoping to find! A question or two if I may? Did you use the same button for all tests? Has any testing that you've done shown any differences in input latency for different buttons? Thank you for putting all this data together! :-)
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud! I used the same button for this test. But that's a great question, I'll put it on the list of things to test out.
@Simlife1012 жыл бұрын
I saw input lag tests done on the PlayStation DS4 controller and it was shocking that wired was slower than wireless. Wireless with DS4 windows I've seen it do 2.8ms so imagine 2 equal players one on wired xbox and one on ds4 with ds4 windows. The DS4 player would fire their gun soooo much faster and in a game like say Cod that is insane advantage. I guess this is why ALL (that I have seen) Pro players and streamers (Yes streamers are NOT Pro as I hear them called so often) use DS4 controller I guess
@AltsekBUL3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't expecting such precise data, thank you.
@ramicourdi2 жыл бұрын
This guy is a legend.. exactly what I was searching for. Thanks!
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
You got it!
@Glyx3603 жыл бұрын
People asked and you delivered. Thank you!!
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Happy to oblige =)
@mmaakk1978 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time. Very useful video. I won't bother getting the adapter now. The only BS using Bluetooth is that you have to re-sync the wireless controller every time I use it with a different PC.
@loukas3713 жыл бұрын
Great video, just what I needed.
@mauriciovieira03193 жыл бұрын
The problem is that with bluetooth the control often disconnects. It gets in the way of gambling a lot.
@tomasruiz46753 жыл бұрын
Thats only if you have a shitty bluetooth adapter,if you have a decent one and put it close to the controller there should be no problem
@GhettoPCbuilds3 жыл бұрын
@@tomasruiz4675 lmfaooo
@AP-yp8pl3 жыл бұрын
@@tomasruiz4675 Not true
@rafaelpinhaosantos3 жыл бұрын
yeah this is true, funny thing is, with the PS4 and PS5 controllers, this dont happen with bluetooth. i have both and made the test myself. and i figured out too, that the disconnets only happen in some games, not all of them
@Finalzero3 жыл бұрын
Can confirm that. If I plug in a bluetooth adapter at the back of my computer most of times gaming becomes almost impossible. It will always lose connection or I have issues with ghost inputs. But the wireless adapter on the other hand works perfectly fine. Never had an issue with that and my adapter is still the old "bulky" one.
@jam4719753 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks for the video... I'm waiting on my wireless adapter to be delivered today. The main reason why I got the wireless adapter is because I heard it does not suffer from the frequent disconnects that Bluetooth does... but great to hear it also has less latency.
@telmopaz3 жыл бұрын
How did it go? I ordered one just now not only because of disconnects, in some games vibration with bluetooth drops frames like there is no tomorrow.
@jam4719753 жыл бұрын
@@telmopaz it's definitely way better. It's hard to explain but the controller feels way different with the adapter... Definitely feels like it has better control which is probably due to better latency.
@stefanusrianto87813 жыл бұрын
@@jam471975 hi, what kind of battery do you use? AA or battery packs? Does it lasts the same when you use bluetooth and the wireless adapter?
@Uzaair3 жыл бұрын
The difference between the Bluetooth and Xbox adapter doesn't seem all that significant. I get a really stable connection over Bluetooth so I'm good sticking with that. For those struggling with Bluetooth connection, consider using an extension adapter to place your dongle somewhere where it's not impeded by other electronics.
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the tip!
@JGAbstract Жыл бұрын
I'm using my PC's Bluetooth from the Mobo. I have to keep my hands above my desk (my pc is on top of my desk) or else it will disconnect. It still disconnects every now and then. I don't have an issue with the lag, it's just the random disconnects. I was playing fall guys and it disconnected, leaving my character running is circles a hair away from the map's edge for 5 seconds lol
@joonmirvae Жыл бұрын
@@JGAbstract if you have open usb pass-throughs on your keyboard or monitor, try placing your bluetooth adapter there instead of the MoBo port. It became stable to me that way, even where ever i place my controller below desk or on my lap.
@ServetTonga Жыл бұрын
But you lose ability to connect your wired headphones to the gamepad with bluetooth
@Mostcoolone Жыл бұрын
Nice
@markdavenportjr51292 жыл бұрын
Just got a new controller for my PC hardly any lag via bluetooth from what I can tell vs the adapter. I'm sooo glad MS decided to add bluetooth feature to these controllers. :)
@rodrigoa19902 жыл бұрын
Really useful video, simple and easy to understand the methodology. Thank you! Also, 55ms for wired, 58 for adapter and 64 for bluetooth doesn't seem like a big difference, unless you're a pro player.
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! It’s essentially the same.
@SamuraiGuy Жыл бұрын
Even then, it's not that big of a difference. The most dissapointing part of the video was learning that the latency for wired was so high.
@fikryd Жыл бұрын
as me a hardcore DMC player, its really matter for the combo. like I know when the stick is lagging, my combo wasn't supposed to be like that. Bluetooth is the worst, wireless dongle/adapter work well.
@Rave.- Жыл бұрын
Anyone that plays a game that has tight reaction times (at any decently competitive level) will tell you 10ms is game changing. There's a reason entire servers for games/companies (and sometimes the players themselves) are relocated to different states and countries just for slightly less lag.
@captainbarracuda55052 жыл бұрын
I would expect some variance between different bluetooth chips. I purchased the xbox adapter after noticing a difference between Bluetooth and wired, hoping to strike a middle ground for casual gaming, which it did. I am interested to run these tests myself now, on my own devices.
@MaramRohan Жыл бұрын
Great job with the test! However, such tests do not say the whole story. When you are constantly pressing multiple buttons at the same time while playing, the bluetooth mode will struggle with the inputs. You can actually fell a delay in comparison to wireless adapter. As always, wired is the best! 👍
@kirklowe56082 жыл бұрын
The biggest reason to get the adapter is for the passthrough audio, letting you plug your wired headset into your wireless controller.
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. That's huge!
@starrims Жыл бұрын
Really? Lossless audio? Also how will be the battery backup?
@ViciousXUSMC2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, I am trying to use Game Stream and it felt laggy to me. After messing with some settings I got it down to about 3-4ms of latency added by streaming, but every bit I can cut off will help. I think a couple of other things to note. The XBox adapter adds some extra features and in some cases may be more stable than BT. Also one thing missing is what BT adapter you were using, a dongle, built in, etc and what BT version it was using. You may find better/different results using a newer BT protocol or built in vs external for interference reasons.
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
I was using BT 4.2 that’s built into my system for this test.
@INTHEARKADEАй бұрын
Man I was not expecting this video to be exactly what I needed and more! Awesome work ❤️ I’m so glad you also included the wired latency too
@FrameCountingАй бұрын
@@INTHEARKADE Thank you my friend!
@GrumpyWolfTech Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue with bluetooth is the random drops in connection on occassion, otherwise the latency has come a long way since the early 2000s.
@hinchyman40393 жыл бұрын
Great video. Exactly what I was looking for, thanks for making this!
@cy66a Жыл бұрын
Hi! Very useful video and tests! It's seems a little strange to me, that this information is not part of a public specification parameters. And we have to Google it and make our own tests. BTW I have Xbox Series gamepad and using it via bluetooth and I didn't notice any delays. Thank you!
@Gastanplay3 жыл бұрын
Was looking for a video exactly like this. searched for it and thought there probably won’t be anything like this. Thank you!! Excellent video :) subbed
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!👍
@sergiopery Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if I'm not understanding the test here but you would need some sort of digital indicator of the button press on video for the test to be valid, an LED lighting up as the button has truly sent it's signal. I would wire an LED to the + on the button signal.
@hyouzanren18463 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this info thank alot for your hard work f us! 😀😀😀
@francescob.30193 жыл бұрын
great video, well done man.
@johnnyleebryan94962 жыл бұрын
Incredible video and extremelly precise! That's exactly what I was looking for!
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ursdubel35852 ай бұрын
Nice job dude.. You safed me about 30 bucks.. Another video i would give more the 1 thumbs up.. 👍👍👍👍👍
@jumagomos2 жыл бұрын
You are crazy, this is great test, thanks.
@papalazarou78809 ай бұрын
Wow fair play, just what I was looking for! Liked and Subscribed 👌🏻
@Shelboooooo2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I have seen on this subject. Thank you. Subscribed!
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend
@jameszhong12193 жыл бұрын
look at how consistent the wired connection is! wired is really the way to go if you're doing competitive gaming. But I use my controller to play single-player/campaign/stories, so I don't really care about the lag. I even turn on v-sync when I play those non-competitive games.
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
I play wired primarily due to the consistency.
@jameszhong12193 жыл бұрын
@@FrameCounting I just like the freedom of being wireless, and I play FPS with kb&m anyways
@yadspi Жыл бұрын
I know this is old but using the Xbox controller on Windows Bluetooth causes games to randomly dip FPS, seems crazy but look it up, happened to me with the Xbox One controller, then later with a completely new PC with a new Xbox Series controller, searching a bit I found others with the same problem and after using wired or the adapter everything was fine.
@SynthVGguitarist24 күн бұрын
Bluetooth when it works feels fine, but when the random drops on bluetooth happen or needing to repair the controller with the bluetooth makes it superior.
@giokkko3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this, it was really helpful! Subbed
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@SirMorak Жыл бұрын
Thx for this. Finally found what I was looking for 👍🏻
@Sapphire2002 жыл бұрын
I have both XOne and XSeries controllers, and One's controller has significant less BT signal strength than the Series. Any object between them makes it loose connection while the Series controller have no negative effect (tested with the same batteries).
@kicksNCY Жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the first version of the xbox one controller? or the serie S controller ? there are 3 versions in total
@Sapphire200 Жыл бұрын
@@kicksNCY the white "One S" model XD
@natskar Жыл бұрын
Ah yes the video I needed, I've been curious every time I've been wired in vs on bluetooth
@MrHewenttojared Жыл бұрын
What a great analysis
@Ibrahim_Alharbi3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact you can have just 1 controller with Bluetooth so using wired if it's just you and close but have 8 with a Xbox adapter with close latency is a win add to it you could use heads sets or speakers and other stuff :)
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Owning one is totally worth it on PC!
@yaibakt2 жыл бұрын
very useful video which i was searching for long time. big thanks.
@16golfr563 жыл бұрын
I was just searching for this on google and found this video, thought it was clickbait.. Wow was I wrong THANKS!
@ActualJellyrolls2 жыл бұрын
Just what I was looking for. Thanks man.
@balmox3 жыл бұрын
Dude great video, excellent data, short, and straight to the point.
@Death_Saved Жыл бұрын
Thanks! saved me a few bucks, so here is your cut :-)
@FrameCounting Жыл бұрын
Appreciate it my friend! Glad the video helped.
@christopherfrost70413 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very interesting. As mentioned below, my controller also cuts off every now and then with Bluetooth. If I charge the controller using my PC, I have to remove my connection in system settings and redo. Hopefully the wireless adapter will make this less of a hassle.
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Bluetooth gave me a lot of trouble too. Wireless adapter is the way to go.
@christopherfrost70412 жыл бұрын
@@Musukinky You're correct. I am very happy with this purchase. Having to go into settings before was a hassle. Now I can press the pairing button on the dongle and reconnect if I decide to switch between wired and wireless.
@BenyaminLorit3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. This was informative. I'm curious though about the battery drain on both the adapter and Bluetooth. Do they eat battery at the same rate?
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Good question!
@anonyt81032 жыл бұрын
Did you account for your monitor refresh rate? If it’s 60 Hz the minimum possible latency is 16 ms
@ayaya__ Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your hard working on frame counting
@SalarLumia Жыл бұрын
Also depends on the Bluetooth adapter that you are using on your device, my motherboard doesn't come with native Bluetooth adapter and I had to buy a USB Bluetooth adapter which is not the best. That's why I think the Xbox adapter is good for me
@itzali4238 Жыл бұрын
Hi i just wanna buy the adapter for pc gaming ( single player games maybe co op ) so i wann know from ur experience do u feel any noticeable delay or any latency issues with the controller while playing ?
@simsforever791 Жыл бұрын
I have the older style one. The big original Xbox one. I’ve had that 6 years now. 5 years with the original Xbox one controller until it broke and 1 year with my new Xbox X controller. This adapter never drops signal and it very stable. It still works great
@Xhizors24 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. This is great information. I used PS3 controller with modified BT drivers to eliminate lag and xinput support, now i need new controller. I'll go with wireless adapter I tried PS4 controller over BT. What a mess with input lag.. Works better with BetterDS4 modified drivers
@Kelig2 жыл бұрын
Perfect video! Thanks.
@sithlord24222 жыл бұрын
mind blowing data collection and analysis!
@Phil9955113 ай бұрын
Excellent, thank you !!
@ahc9042 жыл бұрын
Really well explained video. Awesome work!
@LoLuzable Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I saved some money because of this video, my TP-Link UB500 adapter will do just fine, no need for paying extra :)
@Akamashi2 жыл бұрын
If you using Bluetooth while playing heavy game that use most of your PC's resources, the delay will be really huge. Oh and from the distance around 5m+
@vladislavkaras4916 ай бұрын
Really great tests! I thought the Bluetooth is going to have much more latency, like it is with wireless mice!
@rodriguezquickie35972 жыл бұрын
For Warzone or any other competitive game use wired and for all the rest of games use Bluetooth and in the night use Xbox adapter to the benefit of putting a headphone jack to thecontroller and don't annoying anybody with the sound
@Jay-ws7tv Жыл бұрын
I notice a significant change in feel and responsiveness of Bluetooth vs wired
@drstrangebudgie40522 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I have been using the Series controller with a PC over Bluetooth and it's fast enough that I cannot notice the delay.
@nighcruzade2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank for the data, its helps so much, congrats
@itzali4238 Жыл бұрын
So do you recommend buying an adaptr for playing story game or co op games i do care if there is a noticeable latency i dont like it thats why i dont want to play woth bluetooth ( i use a wireless logitech mouse does this affect the adapter ?)
@rettoribbon17122 ай бұрын
thank you.. this help a lot!
@marvlouslie20532 ай бұрын
I've had issues running the Xbox Elite controller over bluetooth on Fortnite with Bluetooth. Managed to finally snag one of these a couple of days ago, so hopefully it'll help with my stuttering issues going forward wirelessly. I didn't experience much stuttering and weird lag issues when I was wired. Might be the bluetooth.
@radium6454 Жыл бұрын
Great job and useful video, thank you.
@546frank37 ай бұрын
thanks for the video, great analysis
@RayPetty Жыл бұрын
great video, very informative, thank you!
@PrincipleKingston3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Nice vid.
@creeper1234ification3 жыл бұрын
Dude you rock fuck yeah data like this makes the world go round!
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud!
@cursedbyzen951010 ай бұрын
Nice video, helped me to save 30$, also I use bluetooth built into my mobo and it works flawlessly, no disconnects, lags etc.
@Coronado-nz7wu8 ай бұрын
I thought wired connection would be less than half of either wireless connection, surprised.
@RangerRobAZ3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, I have been wanting to know the actual difference between BT and adapter for awhile. Were you using the new xbox series controller (with the share button) or the previous generation one?
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
I was using the Xbox Series controller.
@luisrx91213 жыл бұрын
@@FrameCounting can i use my wireless headset to watch youtube and play games like apex on pc?
@chamda2 жыл бұрын
the problem whit bluetooth is having issues performance in some games, for example, if you have a 165hz monitor maybe bluetooth cap your frame rate, aroud 110fps when you gpu cant usege all % sorry for my bad english
@tom22333 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I needed thanks.
@amostofi19992 ай бұрын
thanks for making this
@Marco-vn1db2 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Good job. The video is great!
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@gulam823 жыл бұрын
I used to have the last version of the Xbox adaptor, and most of the time i had to unplug and re-insert the adaptor after pc reboot, was annoying, have the BT version of the Xbox series X (type c) and Xbox one S (micro usb) both work fine over Bluetooth, the new controller needed a firmware update. i used the adaptor because I had the 1st gen elite controller which did not have Bluetooth. good video.
@FrameCounting3 жыл бұрын
The newer adapter has been working perfectly for me so far. Fingers crossed.
@ThePianist512 жыл бұрын
According to my experience wifi feels instant whereas on bluetooth mode there is a relative "huge" delay. I notice that in several fighting games like Theken, DoA or even quick time puzzle games like Catherine where every ms is important. (maybe I have a faster monitor with 22ms delay). Great video btw!
@blueridgeocean6 ай бұрын
With Bluetooth my controller acts like a small weight attached to a rubber band. It takes a moment to catch up then BAM! Max stretch and all of the energy and force goes crazy and becomes unpredictable.
@sourabhkay4 ай бұрын
This dude is a freaking legend
@GFSCN69 Жыл бұрын
Don't sweat over 3 ms difference. A second has 1000 ms.
@cmoneytheman Жыл бұрын
Yes no one will notice
@BOB_T3 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT VIDEO THANKS
@minglin4105 Жыл бұрын
Really useful test with smart design. Yet the end to end latency did not exclude the system latency, e.g. monitor flash rate, gpu latency etc . Let us say wired input latency is 5ms. Then according to this test, Xbox wireless has input latency 8ms, BT latency is around 15ms. This is a considerable latency improvement. Of course, the end to end latency is dominated by the system latency now so it doesn't matter what wireless connection we are using.
@alexandrostheodorou8387 Жыл бұрын
I used my, DualSense Controller. Its fine. But so many games don’t support it. Or are really wonky. Im tired of using third party apps. Or vibration doesn’t work. Bought an xbox controller with the adapter. Vibration always works. The games always work. No more headaches. Thats why i personally recommend the controller and adapter. I use a gaming laptop, so i just generally plug it into the TV and play from a distance.
@cokakada11892 жыл бұрын
Hi can you also share your experience with regard to distance? And maybe also BT 4,0 vs 5,0? What do you use in the vid? Just rough data would suffice ;) no need for scientific measures and big effort like in the vid. Would really help me!
@Arturosg23943 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, I already took a decision about buying just the xbox controller series x
@maurolife2 ай бұрын
Can you make a video comparing battery life using the Xbox Wireless Adapter VS Bluetooth VS Wired?
@michaelsmith10602 жыл бұрын
What a great video! Good job!
@FrameCounting2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@qualar Жыл бұрын
Ok think that 71ms outlier on the wireless adaptor test skews the result slightly because no other single results are even close to that one.
@dannyusa2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video congratulations bro
@johnathonready9347 Жыл бұрын
Something that wasnt mentioned in the video, playing with bluetooth while gaming gives some pretty nasty stuttering in games. My frames will just die sometimes
@damiangestwicki87812 жыл бұрын
Amazing, good work ;)
@olivierplayer16332 жыл бұрын
very interesting video .it also depends on wich bluetooth you have bt4 or bt5 i guess .
@lahire1493 жыл бұрын
actually useful information. thanks.
@arickle6 ай бұрын
Wired still requires either bluetooth connection or the wireless adapter, correct? If I had to guess, you were still using the wireless adapter and essentially getting similar numbers.
@vor946 Жыл бұрын
weird because rhythm games were miles better with wired pad, definitely felt better than just 9ms difference
@FrameCounting Жыл бұрын
Wired has no interference. I personally play wired most of the time.