XHDATA D-608WB vs XHDATA D-109 on very distant shortwave signals: North Korea, Alaska and more

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Myself and many viewers on my channel think that the brand new XHDATA D-608WB and the XHDATA D-109 appear to share many similarities. Even the screen looks very similar. The main difference is probably that the D-608WB has many useful emergency features, and sound quality. The antennas are also different lengths, on the D-608WB there is a 40cm (15.8 inches) antenna, on the D-109 it is 52cm (20.5 inches).
In this video I compare these two radios on a number of SW signals, nearby and very distant ones, like WWVH from Hawaii, KNLS from Alaska and Voice of Korea from North Korea. All using their built-in antennas only. I think these two radios are equally sensitive. But I do think that one of them sounds much better, and also appears to receive signals a bit clearer. All received at my regular location in Johannesburg, South Africa.
Both these radios are currently (January 2024) available on the XHDATA website at discounted prices. The D-608WB and the regular D-109 are basically the same price, $28.99 and $29.99. The D-109WB is a bit more expensive.
00:00 Comparing the XHDATA D-608WB and D-109
00:53 Many similarities
01:53 My thoughts on these radios
03:30 WWVH Hawaii
04:42 VOA from Botswana
06:34 Voice of Hope Africa, from Zambia
07:30 Shiokaze Sea Breeze from Japan 6135 kHz
08:47 Shiokaze Sea Breeze 7320 kHz
10:50 Radio Taiwan International, from Tamsui
12:07 Voice of Korea in German, from Kujang
13:48 Voice of Korea in French
15:37 KBS World Radio from Kimjae
16:46 Holding the radio improves the signal
18:15 KNLS Russian from Alaska
19:51 Radio Free Asia from Northern Marianas
20:41 NHK from Japan
22:06 BBC from Madagascar
22:56 KNLS Chinese from Alaska
23:53 Ifrikya FM form Bechar, Algeria

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@robintyson591
@robintyson591 Ай бұрын
Can't wait for mine. According to the delivery it should be arriving any day now. That will be my SA 'load shedding' radio. The D-109 will remain here in Namibia (where we don't have load shedding). I'll let you know my opinion when it arrives.
@terrytartu
@terrytartu 2 ай бұрын
I have the D 608WB on order should be here (Estonia) by the 17th of May. Your video convinces me I made the right choice!
@swlistening
@swlistening 2 ай бұрын
Hi Terry, definitely a good choice! I love this radio, I think it performs the same as my D-808, sometimes even a bit better. Just no SSB, but that does not matter if you don't use SSB.
@terrytartu
@terrytartu 2 ай бұрын
The radio cost me 55.09 euro
@swlistening
@swlistening 2 ай бұрын
@@terrytartu A good price, I think. I assume this includes shipping?
@xhdataradio
@xhdataradio 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Andre for testing the XHDATA D-608WB, your videos are very interesting, thank you! Sincerely!!
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
It is my pleasure, I am still really enjoying testing this one! I think it is a very good radio. Thank you for sending me one to review!
@F4LDT-Alain
@F4LDT-Alain 5 ай бұрын
Xhdata, I was ready to buy this radio but your refused to apply my discount code. That's unfair and inelegant to a long-time, faithful customer 👎 In certainly don't expect freebies from you as the owner of this channel has, because my own channel is quite small, but I would have expected a better reply to my inquiry from you. I will not buy the D-608 because of this.
@johnbeckham1483
@johnbeckham1483 5 ай бұрын
I think that the XHDATA D-608WB has better audio quality than the XHDATA D-109? I also think that the sensitivity is better on the D-608WB also. I also find that holding my radio helps reception through inductance as well. I enjoyed your video in reference to both of these XHDATA radios indeed. Thank you...
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Hi John, thanks for your comment! I definitely agree, the D-608WB sounds better than the D-109, the speaker sound is warm and has a bit of bass, but it is also clear enough. As far as sensitivity goes, I think they are almost the same, with the D-608 perhaps a bit more sensitive on some signals than the D-109. It would be interesting to do this test with a wire of the same length on both these radios, the D-608 whip antenna is considerably shorter than the one on the D-109, yet it pulled in all the same signals, in a few cases even better than the D-109.
@kwdavids1
@kwdavids1 5 ай бұрын
It's convenient to compare these particular radios because the >|| (play / pause) button mutes them both.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
That's very interesting, thanks! I did not know that.
@Ankjell
@Ankjell 5 ай бұрын
I sincerely think they are exactly the same radio but with different add-ons, like better speaker on the D608.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
I agree, this is highly likely. But the D-608WB is quite a bit less expensive than the D-109WB, so if more tests and experience show they are the same radio, then the D-608WB would be an obvious first choice for many. Only drawback for some might be that there is no keypad.
@StratmanII
@StratmanII 5 ай бұрын
Impressive band scan with the new D-608WB. Most emergency radios are ugly but functional looking but this one not only has the attractive looks but proves to be a respectable performer on shortwave. Andre, I'm surprised you didn't use the #D608WB hashtag in your description. Your videos (especially the unboxing one) will be found much more easily on the Internet. I think you're the first one to review this new model and it will take weeks before Todd "Ironman" Ebert gets to review his unit on his channel! 😀 Say, is the "SOS" siren as loud as the one on your Quansheng UV-K5 transceiver?
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
It certainly seems to be a very respectable performer. In my opinion this is not just an emergency radio, but it could easily be a DXing radio as well. I'll try adding the hashtag and see if it brings me more viewers 🙂 I haven't tried the SOS button on either of these radios, I am scared I will upset the neighbours, especially because I have no idea how loud the sirens might be. I'll try it one day when I am in a park or something, far away from other people.
@jerrytoro4739
@jerrytoro4739 5 ай бұрын
I really like listening to radio India 11620 and when it comes in it's really tremendous as a kid I grew up with a friend of mine we would listen to it radio India about 9:00 in the morning and it would play for like an hour almost and we'd listen to sitar music Veena music you know really great northern and southern Indian music some of the greatest vocalist that I've ever heard India is The Jewel of the world the singers and their musicians play from a different perspective based upon a people that goes back 6000 years I think this is really a good idea to really put up these small great shortwave radios against each other because I'm going to buy the other radio because I'd like to have one to listen to in my living room one in my bedroom and it's interesting to be able to get a few of these different ones based on your reviews trust is something that is a rare commodity in thethe world we live in today especially with so much aggression and violence and I think that if you continue to do this I truly believe that it's going to open up other avenues for you I would hope so because as you continue to do these things I'm sure the manufacturers are going to take notice because I bought both of these units based on your reviews because I can trust what you're saying because I feel that you're honest and that's a commodity that's very rare so so thank you for this video because it's helped me to pick these shortwave radios that I'm really interested in listening to and at a price that's reasonable that could really give you high quality I really think that a person couldn't ask for more thank you for your excellent work I hope that you continue to do what you're doing and that new doors can open from your excellent reviews that I really believe can help the masses of people that are going to discover the beauty of shortwave listening
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Hi Jerry, thank you so much for your comment and your kind words. I really appreciate it. I am very happy that you see my reviews as honest, that is exactly what I try to do. I know if I see a review I would like to know that I can trust it. I appreciate that you do! Reviews are, of course, sometimes a bit subjective - there might be some things that I like on a radio that viewers don't, but I try to give as much information as possible to help you make a decision. I think the comparison videos are a good way for viewers to see the actual performance of different radios compared to one another. Like you, I am hoping for many more people to take up this hobby! All India Radio that you mention has some really great music indeed, fun to listen to! At my location the signal is often very clear also.
@canyondan
@canyondan 5 ай бұрын
i like the D-608WB but it lacks the direct frequency entry which is a must for any radio I buy. But for 28 bucks on sale if you dont have to have direct frequency entry it is top shelf radio
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment Dan, this is true. For many people this will be a serious drawback. I am OK with it, my Eton Elite Traveler is similar, no keypad for entering frequencies. I got used to it, if you toggle between the SW bands and then manually tune it works quite OK. I like that the lack of a keypad adds to the very simple front panel on the D-608, just a few buttons that do everything.
@StratmanII
@StratmanII 5 ай бұрын
@@swlistening Not trying to be a buzz kill, bru...but for a good many people who grew up using radios with analogue frequency dials, they won't miss the omission of a frequency entry keypad. 😀 That said, I know an American contact who commented an online photo of mine featuring my ginger cat with my Tecsun PL-330 and PL-990 radios. He wrote in the comments, "Good to see your cat again! Those radios look sophisticated!" When I read his comment, I thought to myself, "Wait, is the PL-990 that sophisticated?" 😲 Not by my standards. To me, an ICOM IC-7851 _is_ sophisticated as it looks like a part of a Boeing 777-300ER's instrument panel, but to my friend any radio that has calculator-like buttons on the front panel IS sophisticated! 🤣 Anyway, I'd wager that the XHDATA designers had thought carefully about their target market before coming up with the final design of the D-608WB. They didn't design it for radio nerds like us. They made it so that the radio could easily be figured out by a child or a senior citizen who can't tell the difference between LSB and USB or what bandwidth filters are for. 😀 Furthermore, the people who are taking something like the D-608WB for camping up in the mountains aren't the DX'ing folk like us. If you've seen the DSP based, Tecsun GR-88P hand cranked emergency radio, it's "not very pretty" but very functional-looking. It has just one tuning knob for the analogue scale dial, one volume knob, one rotary band selector a switch for the built-in light and a vertical main mode switch. That's it! 🙂
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
@@StratmanII No worries, you are definitely not a buzz kill 🙂 Personally I am very happy with the D-608 just as it is, I manage very well without the keypad for entering frequencies. I actually (like I said in one of my videos also) really like the fact that the D-608 is so simple, just a few buttons. I like the simplicity a lot. It is like you say, I think it was designed like this on purpose, to make it easy to use by anyone. But I know there will be some DXers who would want a keypad for entering frequencies. Like the Tecsun PL-360 and PL-365, so many people said the lack of a keypad was a serious drawback. I wonder what the performance on that Tecsun GR-88P is like. Now that one really looks like a rather crude and basic machine. But it looks quite sturdy though. The D-608WB, in my opinion, is a beauty contest winner compared to this Tecsun 🤣
@terrytartu
@terrytartu 2 ай бұрын
The signal dégradation on either when swoping between radios could simply be the difference between them. The signal on a good catch can go from great to poor in a matter of seconds. However the speaker and sound in general on the D 608WB makes a difference.
@swlistening
@swlistening 2 ай бұрын
I agree, Terry. It is really very hard to do proper comparisons, because the signal can change so quickly. But I usually do try to give each radio a fair amount of time on each signal in my tests, to give them all a fairly good chance of finding and holding on to a signal for enough time to be able to compare fairly. There is no doubt in my mind that the D-608WB is very sensitive, and I love the sound and the form factor. The extra features are great too.
@jamesglenn6461
@jamesglenn6461 5 ай бұрын
I thought the video was interesting. I have wondered if being bordered by ocean in South Africa helps reception. I bought several Kaito emergency radios 10+ years ago. They are dial for radio and switch for wx band operated. The new XHDatas are much better at a lower cost. However, thanks to your earlier video about government/military stations jogging my memory from the Soviet Union's collapse, and Desert Shield-Storm-Gulf War period. Any emergency radios should have single sideband, and above average medium wave (AM) function. The various government frequencies, from other countries also, would provide more planning information. Government frequencies may be at times difficult to receive, but people know they are going to be there. Relatively cheap NOAA weather channel radios are plentiful. If people want cheap lights, chargers, and swiss-army style knives, they are all easily found. I'd spend the money on high capability radios . The Tecsun PL-330 with SSB at $60 is going to be my next purchase. I have two 25+ year old radios with SSB that still work well, but a new radio would be good for that price.
@Ankjell
@Ankjell 5 ай бұрын
Get the Xhdata D808 instead mate. Better battery plus air band 👍
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Hi James, thanks for your comment! I think an emergency radio with SSB would be perfect, yes. But I suppose for some people being able to listen to MW and broadcast SW might be enough. I think the PL-330 is a good choice, but the XHDATA D-808 is also really good, it is a very capable radio, as another viewer has also posted here. I can see that this little D-608 will become my go-to radio for travel and camping, it is sturdy and small enough to take along anywhere. I like the all-in-one idea on this one, although I do agree with you that it is quite easy to find emergency lights. If you travel light, as I do, something like the D-608 will serve me very well. And it is very sensitive indeed, even with the whip antenna.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
James, sorry I did not respond to your question about the ocean in my previous reply. I certainly think the ocean plays a role for people who live near the coast, especially on MW. But I am deep inland, my nearest coast is about 375 miles (600 km) away, so I don't think it really has an effect here.
@jamesglenn6461
@jamesglenn6461 5 ай бұрын
@@swlistening A product being sturdy, and logically designed will often outweigh other considerations. I bought one D-219 , and then two more to give as gifts for kids, for $11 delivered from amazon. They are well made and inexpensive, but not cheap. The D-219 I kept is the travel, outdoor, radio. I do like those older Kiato emergency radios and kept one in my work locker for years. Shift work at a large Water Treatment Plant. And it got regular use during storms and power outages. I don't want to intentionally damage equipment, but durability tests of portable radios would be a good review factor. Thanks for your work!
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
@@jamesglenn6461 Thanks for your comment James, I couldn't agree more about the D-219! I also have three, one is for regular use and travel, the other two are just back-ups for whatever comes along. I like the idea that I have spares of this one 🙂 Interesting idea about durability tests, but I would also not intentionally damage equipment. My durability test would be more through very regular use, taking radios on trips, using them outdoors, camping, on hikes, and then after some years reporting back on how well they lasted.
@nine7295
@nine7295 5 ай бұрын
I like it and own D808, R108, D109 already. But as an emergency radio, i would argue that AA battery is a must, as they are very easy to find in an urgency. Even if you have a power source, you don't want to wait for the long charging time so you can use it . I am involved in emergency preparedness deeply, and that's my 2 cents.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment, you make a good point. AA batteries could be quite convenient. But, that being said, I think the various charging options on this one do provide a good way to recharge in case of a very extended situation where your AA batteries might run out and you don't have any more.
@Kw1161
@Kw1161 5 ай бұрын
Andre it’s too bad that didn’t include an App like my ZhiWhis AF 320 to allow for direct frequency input and receiver control. The radios definitely have better RF reception plus extended SW bands. I was watching another KZfaq reviewer named Todderbert who had numerous birdies while MW DXing so yours sounds the same on SW. Even with the Birdies I plan to buy the D-608B next month because of the good sound hopefully the MW DXing is as weak signal magnet as the SW. 73! Have a great day!
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
An app is actually a very clever idea, I had never thought of that! Maybe XHDATA might add an app in future firmware updates, that would make it a bit easier to enter frequencies directly. The speaker quality on this one is really good. I did some MW testing very late last night and I managed to pick up some distant stations, one from Quelimane in Mozambique, about 1300 km (900 miles) from me, and reception was quite good. It is not a good time for MW DXing here in South Africa now, very stormy and it is high summer, I don't get as many stations as I do in wintertime. But last night's test showed it does pick up distant MW signals.
@ronan3672
@ronan3672 5 ай бұрын
Between the Xhdata D808 and the d608wb, which one has more FM sensitivity? Thanks.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Ronan, I think they are about the same, I don't see a major difference between the two. There is a marginal signal here in my area, 104.2 MHz, from 50km away. Both these radios pick it up clearly if you adjust the antenna until you get the best signal.
@3673568348
@3673568348 5 ай бұрын
Thx you. I wonder what heppend with that quansheng radio?
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Hi Dmitry, I put that one aside for a while, I decided to focus more on my regular SW and MW radios, and SW and MW DXing, on my channel, for now.
@ArnieDXer
@ArnieDXer 5 ай бұрын
As I watch, before I forget: So far, both radios seem to be *very* close in performance... It's really a tight race. The 7320 Shiokaze example proved to be a good selectivity test for the two radios. Does the D-608WB not have a bandwidth switch? To my ear, its bandwidth sounds more like 3 kHz rather than 4, as you had your D-109 set, so that's a little unevenness of the playground 😜 But the noise on 9405 RTI on the D-109 only is a bit weird; perhaps it's worth checking it on D-808 as well? The noise on 9515 kHz though, I think it is North Korean jammer, as KBS switches to Korean @ 1700z. By touching the radio chassis, your body acts as a counterpoise for its vertical whip. I think if you attached some wire, perhaps by wrapping a few turns of it around the radio first and then extending a few meters (or a few pieces a few meters long 😉), your reception would remain unchanged regardless of whether you touch the radio or not. Or open the radio and attach that counterpoise to the ground connection of that whip LOL 9990 RFA: same thing, NK jamming, perhaps just more aggressive.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Hey Arnie, thank you so much for all your comments. I agree with you 100%, I think these two radios are really close in terms of performance. It seems quite clear that they are probably very similar inside. What makes the D-608 performance remarkable for me is that it performs just as well as the D-109, but with a much shorter built-in antenna. There is no bandwidth switch on the D-608, so fine-tuning by 1 or 2 kHz is the only way to try to separate signals. I was not sure about the bandwidth, but I think you are right, probably closer to 3K than the 4K that I selected on the D-109. I also thought that the noise on 9515 and 9990 might have been North Korean jammers, but I wasn't sure. To be honest, I have never heard the jamming noise before when I picked up those two signals. Your suggestion about 9405 is a good idea, I think it is worth checking that on the D-808 also. The noise there is a bit weird indeed. At some point I will also do a comparison with a short wire antenna, 3 metres, I think it will also be interesting to compare.
@paul.steckler
@paul.steckler 5 ай бұрын
No longwave on the D-608WB.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Indeed, no LW. I think fewer and fewer new radios will have LW, there are so few broadcast LW stations left. For the serious LW DXer the more expensive radios would probably be the only option.
@corpo33
@corpo33 5 ай бұрын
Question brother because you post a lot to KZfaq I just posted my first Radio video as a test just 20 seconds long a station on mw .But the quality of the video seems poor but I'm wondering is it just because iv only posted it .its from my Sony icf Ex5mk2 you have inspired me to post something. 😂
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
I watched the video, to me the sound is good. I really don't think it is poor. I use a small microphone to record, but the mic on a phone works well also. Not sure what you used? I really like your radio collection! By the way, do you still need some advice on SSB tuning? I haven't forgotten about your question, just haven't gotten around to it yet with all the tests on the D-608WB :-)
@corpo33
@corpo33 5 ай бұрын
@@swlistening yes bro definitely ssb info on ahdata or whichever receiver iv seen u hav been super busy .tell u what I'm enjoying doing I hav 3 different antennas set up in my garden and when I pick up a station I compare the signal on all 3 results are all different the 20ft of wire stretched out in the garden Is holding its own but next week or two I'm hoping to get a 15ft pole modified so I can put two of my antennas up as high as I can ..cheers again bro.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
@@corpo33 OK, I will certainly get around to the SSB comparison later. Enjoy the antenna comparisons! It is something I also like doing.
@Hunkiralyfi
@Hunkiralyfi 3 күн бұрын
D-109 has a bit better sound quality (it's not so muffled as D-608), although both of them are noisy more than acceptable (on weak stations). D-109 also seems to be more sensitive with a hair. Yes, they are very similar receivers otherwise.
@swlistening
@swlistening 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for your comment. Personally I think they share a very similar IC board, to me they seem to be very similar in terms of performance.
@F4LDT-Alain
@F4LDT-Alain 5 ай бұрын
Hello André. My opinion: they have quite comparable sensitivities, but the D-608 seems less prone to deep fading than the D-109. Also, the D-608 would seem to do better on the higher bands are per your video. On the other hand, I find the sound on the D-608 too muffled for my taste. I certainly has more depth and it's more natural, but I kind of like the high pitched sound of the D-109 better when listening to talk SW radios. It's clearer. I'm certain that the D-608 must be immensely better for music, though. Like on FM The D-608 seems to have a fixed bandwidth setting that's fairly low, certainly lower than 6 kHz. The lack of adjustable b/w is a big tradeoff too IMO. Too bad they did away with this. I see that the whole test was done on the built-on antennas. I've been reminded lately that the big flaw of the D-109 how easy it gets overloaded and how prone to interference from adjacent station it is. It's almost unusable on my MLA-30+ and it doesn't fare well on a long wire antenna either because of this. Seeing that these two radios seem to share a lot, I'm wondering if they've corrected this flaw on the D-608.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
Hi Alain, thanks for your comment! I agree with you, I think they are, comparatively speaking, equally sensitive. Although the D-608WB does seem to perform better in a few cases, as you say. I do agree that the D-608WB sound might not be to everyone's taste. For me it works, I like the warmer, deeper sound. For FM and local MW the sound is perfect, really good. Among the best on all my radios. On SW the sound might not be to everyone's liking. It is a pity that there is no bandwidth setting, so you cannot change the bandwidth on the D-608WB. My guess is that it has been set at around 3K, maybe 4K. I am, like you, very curious about the performance of the D-608WB on an external antenna. I know the D-109 overloading is a problem for many listeners. I have experienced a bit of overloading on my D-109, but not as badly as some people do. I will most certainly try the D-608WB on my long wire and the MLA30+, to see how it performs.
@tlebryk
@tlebryk 4 ай бұрын
The d608 sounds like a 3khz filter.
@swlistening
@swlistening 4 ай бұрын
Hi Tom! Thanks, yes, I also think it is 3 kHz. When I compare this one to other radios I usually also set the bandwidth on the other radios to 3 kHz also.
@oz_dx
@oz_dx 5 ай бұрын
D-109 is better.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
I actually prefer the D-608, although they are really very, very close. I like the D-608 sound more, and on some of the frequencies it seems to receive the signal just a little bit clearer.
@ronan3672
@ronan3672 5 ай бұрын
Xhdata d608wb wins.
@swlistening
@swlistening 5 ай бұрын
I agree Ronan! It sounds better, and seems to be more sensitive on some of the signals.
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