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The bigger question is how the CIS knew what a hyena is.

It seems to me that the hyena bomber suffered from gross underproduction and bad tactics. It doesn't seem like the design was bad, but it definitely wasn't used well.

If it wasn't for the plot armor of the Republic those hyena bombers would have made minced meat out of the clones. On the other hands the tactical capability of the Y-wings is unmatched, one of the reasons why the rebel alliance loved them so much, hit and run attacks for the win.

The Hyena Droids are also barely armored, you could see many blind spots when they are in their walking mode, however to counter that while also maintaining the droid price cheaper, they made the droid cockpit area thin mixed with the fact that the droid is fairly fast. Pretty smart if you ask me. If you think about it, it's better than being bulky and heavily armored, because they'll be more likely to get hit.

The only reason hyena bombers lost so much is because they kept fighting main characters

I think the limited availability of the Hyena bomber really hurt its chances. Perhaps if the CIS had built enough bombers to deploy them in swarm tactics like the Vulture, it would’ve mitigated its myriad of weaknesses. On a separate note, I really can’t wait to see your video comparing the Republic and CIS’s choices of interceptors: The V-19 Torrent & V-Wing Vs. the Droid Tri-Fighter.

The Y-Bombers were so good that even the Rebel Alliance and later the New Republic did even everything in their power to keep these impressive bombers, and their track record was absolutely impressive during the Clone Wars that they were the only star fighters to stay within the Republic Navy only replace during the time of the Empire.

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Rebel Alliance: "It doesn't matter which fighter are preferable. We are not that picky and we take what we can get to fight the Empire."

In the great words of Alan from generation tech "The main reason why we don't see many other bombers is because the Y-wing is arguably the best one."

In 2005 BF2, the Y-Wing is an absolute beast in dogfights… mainly because of the rear gunner

Only one fighter is canonically named "The backbone of the Rebel Alliance" and it's not the B-Wing...

The hyenas were far superior in terms of their capabilities such as the lack of a crew allows for much tighter turns, they’re cheaper and more expendable which is ideal against capital ships, plus they’re more easier to store than Y-wings, however they are much slower in their reaction time as well as lower situational and strategic awareness as well as the fact that the Y-wing has a rear gunner, and the clones have a much better handling of the bomber

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It feels like Separatist doctrine dictated Vulture spam over Hyena spam

"The Y-Wing is the workhorse of the rebel fleet not quick or flashy but it gets the job done. The armor on this ship is extensive, the shields will protect you from just about anything which is good because you wont be going anywhere fast. The Y-Wing is used mainly as a bomber because it can carry a heavy payload of missiles, torpedoes and bombs. The other important weapon is the topside ion cannon, which rather than destroying a target can disable it for later capture. The cannons have a computer assisted auto fire feature so don't forget that when you're in the heat of battle Geetsly."

I think that policy of prioritizing the Hyena Bombers was what did them in. I'm sure a similar policy on the part of the Separatists would have had a similar effect on the Y-Wing's effectiveness (though this assumes they don't already.) I could imagine Y-Wings being in a rough spot if Vultures were making suicidal charges on them, even going as far as ramming them if they got close enough.

There's a reason the rebels used Y-wings to fight the empire

The cheapest one. Tell us how much did it coast to train, feed, and grow those loveable clones~😏

shields would've been a massive help for those droid bombers

Sadly I can’t think of an bomber in the C.I.S. Arsenal that could be considered effective. There’s the Bomber Droid that looks like a bulky Vulture Droid, and the Hex Bomber, but those were considered “target practice” by other pilots.

I like both iterations of the Y-wing. It’s a neat ship.

Also vulture and hyena star craft are incredibly cheaper to produce. Imagine if the same budget was thrown into the hyena. Shields, better armor, more advanced AI systems. It's actually scary if you think about it. I suppose that could be said about the Droid army as a whole

I think Plot Armor wins every time.

How ironic modern fifth generation jets have better capabilities and arsenal then sci fi starfighters and bombers. Including better weapons range and speed.

I think that Y wings were great but I think overall hyenas with an escort are pretty impossible to defeat because there can be so many. However plot armor does prevail of course

Nbt-630 naval bomber, more armed and armored than y-wing. Although i did like the hyena bomber in battlefront 2(2015)

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The hyena was to versatile for a dedicated bomber but to heavily armed to fill the middle ground. It's like an X-Wing that trades defence and agility for heavier weapons. Not a good design. That the republics "shoot on sight" order worked so well says they weren't escorted well enough.

I think calling Y-wing's 'Bombers' sometimes misses out on their 'attack plane' potentials. My favorite thing do do in X-wing Alliance especially against ISDs was to load em up with advanced missiles, throw most of em at incoming fighter screen, and cut and thrust my way through what wasn't too busy avoiding death from those and my side, to hammer down their deflector emitters, primarily with ions. The challenge got such that it was more about how many allies survived than the near inevitability of taking out the ISD. :) But timing it right so enemy interceptors are dealing with your missiles and your fighter cover at the same time is pretty darn effective compared to hoping to survive attrition with a 'bombey' payload. Cause ions. :)

Hyenas can fly themselves, but I've always had a soft spot for the y wing.

Y-Wing. Though it's as slow as an inebriated Hutt (not entirely true), it sure held its own so many years after the Clone Wars ended... heard some of them ended up fighting on the legendary Battle of Yuuzhan'tar. With this in mind, the Hyena and its contemporaries sure were easily forgotten and discarded. Make of that what you will.

Half my EA’s SW Battlefront 2 Starfighter kills were from the Y-wing. The other half came from the Slave one’s “Bombs”

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Hey, do Hyperspace coordinates change every year in the Star Wars universe due to the galaxy moving? Does this mean the hyperspace lanes continually change too so coordinates need to be updated?

Geetsly's, are you that the reason why the Hyena bombers failed to live up to their true potentials have nothing to do with plot armor that always protect the Republic? Because at the end of the day, the producing crew needed to make the Separatists lost somehow.

Great vid! Altough, I would mention the price of these things: a BTL-B Y-wing was supposedly considerably more exxpensive than a Hyena bomber, and over the course of a war, the scale of the deployment of these vechicles could be game changing. With that said, i still agree that the Y-wing was not only a supririor design, but overall a better addittion to the associated faction's war machines

I will always love the Y wing, I wish they made another style. Perhaps one with armour again but with some part having none.

B1 battle droid in battlefront ll (2005): "enemy bombers are incoming i repeat, enemy bombers are incoming."

The biggest question is why the CIS never included the biggest and objectively coolest of scavengers, the Tyrannosaurus.

Comparing their performance isnt really practical when one of the sides has jedi plot armor

I would take the BTA-NR2 Y-wing due to its integration of the latest technology.

Imagine the battle of Kamino hadn’t had the objective to retrieve Jango Fett‘s DNA from Kamino. This would have been such a playfield for hyena bombers, even if it were just plain suicide missions, like crashing with their bombing bay fully loaded with explosives either into holes being penetrated into the outside structure of Tipoca City, through its huge hangar doors to inflict heavy damage to the internal structure and kill as many clones as possible or target the columns, which it was build on.

Another good example that the Y-wing was superior to the Hyena is that one continued to see frequent use before, during, and well after the Clone Wars, whereas the other quickly disappeared after the war's end.

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Another pro for the hyenas is the fact that as they are droids, you could make them an effective kamikaze. If a single fighter managed to damage the bridge of a Venetor, almost killing Yularen, then imagine what one armed with primed explosives could have done. I think a combination of their limited numbers, poor usage by their commanders and the Republics prioritisation did them in

The Y-wing had a strong payload and decent starfighter capabilities. It was decently fast and its rear gunner helped to increase the ship's survivability. That hyperdrive let it go on independent strike missions ahead of or without a capital ship. The hyena was far faster, cheaper, lighter, and more agile. It could function far better in starfighter combat and had a pretty good payload. The genius feature of the hyena was its kamikaze missions. The entire ship could crash into a target without much loss to the CIS, unlike the Y-wing with its expensive pilot. A single Y-wing was better in certain missions, but the CIS could field far more hyenas in general. I'd say they're about equal.

I mean, the Republic did have some pretty strong plot armor throughout the Clone Wars. It would make sense for the Y-Wing to have more victories.

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I wonder how the Hyena Bomber compares to the other Separatist bombers they have utilized like the Trade Federation Droid Bomber or the Commerce Guild Bombers?

very interesting Video about Bom as

Do the Tri Fighter vs A-Wing

I want them to have made a stealth bomber version of they hyena then we can say screw your shoot on sight because you would need to see it. They could always just have a radar clock not an actual clock as well but that would be amazing to see as well because they could be released after a vulture attack and they would be none the wiser but maybe over budget a bit. Imagine your a new recruite ship captain or whatever then you spot 3 sep ships near a moon and along you and your 2 other captins in their own ships launch fighers and bombers to take down the vulture droids they just launched and the regular hyena and you think you won. What you don't realise after your bombers destroyed their forward ship is that the rear ships deployed the stealth hyena bombers (idk someone think of a name for them im thinking Eagle or cheetah but that seems crap like maybe raven (stealth) bombers would be cool name) but anyway you don't know that they are approaching one of your other ships until KABOOM right down the middle of the ship all the way from the open hanger doors that are letting the last few Y wing bombers and other starfighters into the hanger ready to quick rearm if needed or start repairing some explodes killing half the clones inside as well as the bridge where your fellow captain was congratulating his crew and planing the next attack on the ship now has a small craterouse chunk taken out of it. What you think happened was it was just some regular hyena bombers you missed but you failed to notice the black hyena bomber that just clocked and is heading back to rearm.

I've been doing a lot of research on these two ships because I like to analyze how things would function in game design, and I don't think Battlefront's Starfighter Assault mode did either of these ships justice. They aren't designed to be symmetrical to one another. The Hyena doesn't have that 360 degree turret or a shield generator. In a one-on-one fight the Y-Wing would likely come out on top every single time. I think the only way the two could really fit would be if the gamemode was designed asymmetrically. Vultures would be faster than Y-Wings but more fragile, especially without any shielding.

Y wing been my fav since before prequels existed, but Hyena was done dirty by so much plot armour/only assume Palpy doing his best to make sure weren’t produced enough. They’re cool ship.

BTW, fighting against BTL-B Y-Wings on the TIE Fighter Total Conversion Mod for X-Wing Alliance Upgrade sure is surprisingly hard. As if fighting Escort Shuttles wasn't hard enough.

Just add a low yield shield generator and emitters, then it would be a much better craft. Since its survival rate, in my opinion be increased decently.

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So in other words the hyena is the counterpart to the late war german tank designs

No wonder the rebel alliance used Y-wings since most of the rebel leaders fought during the clone wars or saw the war when they grew up and probably were impressed by whay the Y-wings did and wanted to use these ships to fight the empire until the B-wing replaced the Y-wing years after the clone wars

Truly shows that best armor is plot armor

A wing vs droid tri fighter

Im sorry but a bomber that can transform into a 5 meter tall killing machine and impale clone troopers, while also having a droid brain which is able to nearly perfectly calculate any move almost as good as the tri fighter and is cheap to produce in high numbers, The CIS remains underrated, they wouldve actually slain the Galaxy if it wasnt for sith control

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You didn’t talk about an hyena bomber during the battle of Lola Sayu which inflicted heavy damage upon a Venator

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With them being able to store the vulture and hyena droids on the top leaving their hangars basically empty they should have had all the best non droid separatist pilots flying top of the line fighters and bombers assigned to say grievous and dookus ships, and purely used them like special forces having them ignore everything the vulture droids would go after and only target critical systems and engage Jedi craft, I know they did have non droids in the military but they should have used them more lol

You know what annoys me? the way Anakin drove his Y-wings RIGHT INTO THE PROW TURBOLASER BATTERIES of the Malevolence, getting most of the W-wings shot down for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. he lost somthing like 20 ships becasue he chose to DAMN THE TORPEDOES rather than be a bit more careful choosing the attack vector.

It seems as though the hyena is similar to the real world Japanese Mitsubishi A6M series of fights known to everyone but the Japanese themselves as the Zero. The Zero was a fighter that at first glance was devastatingly effective in reality while the design worked well when developed in the 30s and it earned a partially deserved reputation (mostly in the very early war against China where they mostly fought already obsolete aircraft many from WW1) it quickly became realized that the aircraft was a glass cannon whose cannon was no where near as powerful as first assumed. It had weak guns with little ammunition and due to the designers demand for speed and agile maneuverability at all costs had no armor was seriously underpowered and had a very low wing load capability meaning it could carry no more than 275 pounds of bombs. The only advantage it has was its insane agility and maneuverability in close twisting dogfights. Because of its ability to basicly turn on a dime it was incredibly dangerous. However even when fighting in its element it was more at risk than most aircraft due to its inability to take ANY kind of hit where its main opponents throughout the war the American F4-F Wildcat F6-F Hellcat and the P-40 Warhawk could take much more damage and required most of an A6Ms ammunition to bring down. And in the case of both the Wildcat and Hellcat they were in their original varients almost as agile and in later varients were actually more agile than their A6M counterparts. So the A6Ms advantages shown in the beginning of the war were quickly nullified. It seems as the Star Wars Hyena is much the same.

I've always been curious as to why Star wars used English letters to name their ships when they don't even use the English alphabet in Star wars

Tbh anything droid from the cis is better. Dispite flaws.

The cost to effectiveness ratio is not to be ignored. Hynena bombers are staggeringly cheaper than a Y wing and even if several are lost in a bombing run, they still come out ahead of the Y wing. It's greatest flaw is republic plot armour.

What I wonder is, where do these... thin/slick spacecraft (Y wing, B wing, Hienna) fit their payload? It bothers me that these are thinner than some fighters, yet carry all of this bombs inside somehow, or have an incredibly small capacity.

I feel like often times, the hyena bombers losses are caused by encountering "hero" skill level enemies. Jedi pilots wrecking whole squads is not really a fair test of their abilities. Combine that with the fact that the CIS rarely ever screened their bombing runs with waves of normal vulture droids, and you have a recipe for disaster with a vessel that otherwise could have been absolutely devastating in its effect

As good as they were the Y-Wing was still very vulnerable to attacks. Even with the second seat being manned by a gunner. They were not as able to defend themselves as well as other ships could. If they had an escort it was a matter of fact for them to take down an ISD. But without it... well you lost an entire squad.

So confederacy knew about automation and yet republic needs crews of thousands for ships. If the y wing ball turret was automated it would be great

One thing I know about the Lego hyena bomber is it’s build quality was shite and fell apart easily

The Hyena bomber needed better plot armour more than anything else.

The Y-wing have the benefit of having a rear gunner. While the Hyena would require escorts but separatists leaders rarely gave them any. I would say as a pure bomber with escorts Hyena since they’re cheaper then the Y-wings and a squad would most likely consists of more Hyena.

No matter the winner I have to say that the Y-Wing is one of the coolest looking sci/fi ships of all time.

The hyena bomber was the superior starship it was the republic’s use of clone pilots and tactics that made the y-wing better than the hyena

Hyenas are a pain in Republic at war

Like pretty much everything in the clone wars its mostly about plot armor and the republic being the "good" site.

if I was a commander, I'd still take the hyena, for its sheer damage output, and speed to out run most things trying to shoot it down I don't think the battle record is really fair to look at in the clone wars show, cause of course the Jedi, republic and clones are going to win most battle and shoot them down, its bad in the show for meta reasons since the good guys have to win. It'd be like saying the Hyena is bad because the CIS lost the war, or caused it to lose.

Y wing, of course. Because there's no school like the old school.

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sooo yhe y-wing is a tie bomber?

Defense and survivability would've helped the Hyena

Here's what answers the "which one is better" for me: the fact that a squadron of hyena bombers can be taken out by a friggin *gunship*. Sure, gunships have armaments that can aim basically all around them, but these aren't the most powerful armaments in the republic and gunships are extremely far from the most manuverable ship a clone pilot could hope to fly. Edit: the same goes for the battle with the scout fighter.

Hyena Bomber, because my man DBS-404 is one.

As much as I agree with the Hyena Bombers would have been better with a better AI, nothing can beat a human mind who has years of experience. Also I loved the Y-Wing as a Bomber. In my opinion, I liked the Y-wing over most Bombers anyway because of their reliability and overall performance. That is, at least my opinion.

It's simply not fair to compare the capabilities and skills of droid AI piloting to an army of Jango Fetts led by Jedi. The hyena bomber is fantastic, but nothing can stand up to the power of plot armor.

1. The Hyena bomber is, then, another victim of protagonist plot armor. 2. The Y-Wing, in my opinion, would have been a better ship for Mando

Which one is cuter

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Hyena Bomber do not need hyperdrive they are in battles to destroy or be destroyed so that is not minus. Those Hyena Bomber and tri-droid fighter has come to late in war. Confederacy was started war to early, if they started the war a little later they would have better fighers, better land droids and better ships (less munificent and more providence, recusant and lucrehulks)

WHOO! The Y-Wings won! Y-Wings all the way!

if the hyena bomber was so good, why dind't they win? I mean, theymade enough of them right? Not to mention that you are supposed to chain rows or lines of bombs on to of eachoter to drill through the armor