"Pole Position loop is one of the most disgusting things ever seen in Yu-Gi-Oh!" Dawnstar: "So anyway, I started calculating..."

Dawnstar:*writes an entire essay to explain his Loop ftk* Also Dawnstar: "It's not complicated, I already did the math"

The thing is, there kinda IS an advantage to doing a complicated loop like this instead of just looping somehting like Sparks or something. By doing it this way, he wins AND he sees the opponent's decklist, giving him an advantage in games 2 and 3

"Lullaby Of Obedience call every monster in the game" is a setence I've never thought I would hear in my entire life.

Marshie: "Do the math." Dawnstar: "Ok." Marshie: "Wait, no, you weren't supposed to do that."

That guy...that's a yugioh villain personified. He'd probably be a the cold logic type of antagonist who responds logically to every question, until he's asked why he's doing it. Then this sinister music in the background would play, the camera fixates on his soul staring eyes... "Because it's fun."

i give him an insane amount of credit. the complicated loops are very mentally taxing to do repeatedly for enough time to see the entire deck, in addition to figuring the combo out and doing the statistical maths on it. just so he can see the decklist before he ftk/otk.

Seeing this live was one of the best fucking things ever. This might be one of the most insane loops ever and I love it, even if it is dumb as fuck.

Oh I saw a variant of this played on EDO. his wincon was to use psi-blocker to declare the entire opponent's deck unable to be used, then mezuki back a single solar flare dragon to slowly and painfully burn the opponent out

If I was his opponent I couldnt even mad cause this guy is a fucking genius and could resolve world hunger with a Primal Seed and a Mooyan Curry

Opponent: I’m gonna do infinite loop to win Judges: my head hurts Other guy: I just wanna play game and summon cool Penguin monsta

This seems very reminiscent of a Magic: the Gathering deck called "The Four Horsemen". Basically, that deck performs a non-deterministic loop a bunch of times, hoping to get a specific sequence of cards in a randomly shuffled deck. Statistically, it should happen eventually. But because it is theoretically possible the sequence will never happen, the player _has_ to play it out. And since you're not advancing towards a win condition, you're just spinning your wheels and hoping you'll hit the jackpot, a judge has to issue you a slow play warning, then game loss. It's a deck outlawed by the tournament rules, despite being a somewhat competent combo deck that could probably be tier 2 if it was possible to play.

This is for sure a degenerate loop but you can't help but respect the hustle

Little did we know about the secret 8th millennium item, the Abacus. Clearly Dawnstar has immeasurable power to wield math as easily as he does.

if i ever play against this i'm not calling a judge, i'm calling the cops

The head judge initally told him he needed to make the number of loops finite and the AP Statistics did remedy that. Have to give respect where it's due; mans is dedicated to the Yajiro craft.

mans has to defend his dissertation every time he OTKs

If I ever see this in a Regional or Tier 3 event as a Judge, I will dread that day and ensure that player's calls for a Judge are handled not only by me but by the Head Judge as an immediate appeal. This loop is super insane.

Finally judge calls again. Really missed them tbh and I honestly find them more entertaining than gameplay. Honestly, at this point, this is just impressive. To build and plan through something like this seems like hell.

I'm not sure why the loop can't consist of the following: 1. Drone him, look at top 3 cards 2. Dark Destructor non-problematic card names 3 times 3. Card Shuffle It would be a pain in the ass to play, since you'd need to do it up to 30 times, so I'm not sure what the ruling would be on DB (probably the exact same if not worse). However, in my understanding, controlled loops need to be deterministic, so the loop this guy used straight-up doesn't follow the game rules unless it's fully played out.

My man prepared an Essay for the Judgecall

jesus fuck. I do gotta respect that this is a very very specific infinite to OTK

It's a variance loop. Really contentious among judging communities. I'm opposed to running thrm because you can't guarantee exact outcome after X loops. That's what the formula is for.

Ngl the whole drone + card shuffler situation reminds me of a problem deck in MtG modern called the 4 horsemen deck. It’s only a problem because you will invoke a slow play violation in competitive play due to the inditerministic properties of the deck. Basically you set up an infinite self mill combo with 2 cards. This mills the top card from your deck as many times as you want, but the indeterministic factor of the deck comes in when you need to mill 5-6 specific cards (depending on the version) to create a game winning state before you mill a card that shuffles all the cards from your GY back into your deck. For those who are curious of the actual combo I’ll break it down as simply as I can assuming not everyone understands MtG. First you play a basalt monolith and mesmeric orb. Basalt monolith can generate 3 mana by tapping itself, but by using 3 mana you can untap basalt monolith. Both of these effects are not once per turn so can be done infinitely if so desired Mesmeric orb makes each player mill the top card of their deck if any permanent they control becomes untapped. So now whenever you untap basalt monolith you mill 1 card. Next you loop this mill combo until you mill 3 narcomebas. Narcomebas summon themself from the GY if sent from the deck to the gy. Now it’s worth mentioning why this starts to become indeterministic when milling. In your deck you have a copy of something called a Shuffle Titan in your deck. For those that don’t know, if a Shuffle Titan it put into the GY from anywhere, you shuffle it and all other cards in your GY back into your deck. The next step comes in milling 2 specific cards before you hit your shuffle Titan. You need to mill Dread Return and Syr Konrad. Dread Return let’s you sacrifice (tribute) 3 monsters to cast this card from the GY for free, but exile it (banish) on resolution - this is why you need to mill 3 narcomebas first. When cast, you can reborn 1 monster from your GY. With this you reborn Syr Konrad to set up your winning board state. Whenever a card is put into the GY from anywhere or leaves your GY, Syr Konrad deals 1 damage to each opponent. Now you repeat the mill until you deal enough damage to kill the opponent by milling and shuffling back creatures. And that’s the combo, hopefully the long explanation lets you realize how indeterministic this can be.

I completely understand the Head Judge's decision, but i'll admit i found this deck extremely funny and it would give me a good laugh if my opponent pulled it off. Not a great thing to have floating around DB but i'm glad I saw YAJIRO CURIOUS MEZUKI DRONE LOOP

"what in the actual fuck did i just witness" Content, Coder. Content.

This deck feels like the Four Horsemen deck from MTG's Legacy format that did something similar, it mills it's entire deck and plays a single card that shuffles the graveyard back into the deck so it can keep repeating it, and the end goal is to get 3 copies of a monster that returns to the field when it gets milled, similar to Wulf, into play and then also mill a card named dread return which tributes 3 monsters to summon another monster back from grave that burns your opponent for one damage every time a monster card is sent to the graveyard or leaves the graveyard.

MTG had a loop that reminds me of this called the Four Horsemen loop. This loop was one that involved having the cards in your deck in a specific order, such that when they are milled you win the game. The loop, however, was performed by milling the deck and shuffling back until the win condition was met. This made the loop deterministic but not guaranteed to occur without using math and statistics. Long story short, tournaments have banned this loop for violating slow play rules since the loop MUST be performed by hand for each iteration until a victory condition is satisfied.

The fact that he is looping Moyan curry instead of something like Dian Keto shows that he is there for the memes, making YGO as complicated as possible to see the opponents deck

what a legend. i imagine this is the type of stuff to haunt a judges dreams, turning them into nightmares.

This man is the Pterodactyl Doctor from Spiderman. The strip goes along the lines of: Spiderman: "Why are you turning people into dinosaurs? With your kind of smarts, you could be curing cancer!" The Pterodactyl Doctor: "But I don't want to cure cancer! I wanna turn people into dinosaurs!"

"This way, I no longer have to declare every monster card name in the game"

There’s “children’s card game is serious business”, then there’s breaking out the fucking AP Stats textbook!

Just let the guy do his fuckin' combo he figured out. Holy shit, man.

So I did some tests and this is the closest I could get to this working. It's a mess, but I think it works out pretty ok. Also, I just went with ookazi. It really doesn't matter. Main Deck: Noh-P.U.N.K. Foxy Tune x1 Chaos Betrayer x1 Changshi the Spiridao x1 Yajiro Invader x1 Noh-P.U.N.K. Deer Note x1 Wulf, Lightsworn Beast x3 Fairy Tail - Snow x1 Necroworld Banshee x1 Mezuki x3 Blackwing - Zephyros the Elite x1 Felis, Lightsworn Archer x3 Lunalight Yellow Marten x1 Lunalight Tiger x1 Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner x2 Noh-P.U.N.K. Ze Amin x3 Card Trooper x3 Solar Recharge x3 Ookazi x1 Luna Light Perfume x1 Charge of the Light Brigade x3 Burial from a Different Dimension x1 Emergency Teleport x3 Zombie World x1 Extra Deck: Chaos Ruler, the Chaotic Magical Dragon x1 PSY-Framelord Omega x1 The Zombie Vampire x1 Pilgrim Reaper x1 Bujintei Kagutsuchi x1 Minerva, the Exalted Lightsworn x1 Daigusto Emeral x1 Number 60: Dugares the Timeless x1 Leviair the Sea Dragon x1 Dante, Traveler of the Burning Abyss x1 Curious, the Lightsworn Dominion x1 Vampire Sucker x1 Geonator Transverser x1

When a NASA engineer gets on Yu-Gi-Oh

I love that we find out that he was asked for the specific number of times before, so he had that shit prepared the second time

Brooooo this guy needs to make a youtube channel I have NEVER seen anything like that, this is better than final countdown ftk or exodia in opponents hand

honestly I would almost be siding with Dawnstar here, after the first ruling they did exactly what Marshie asked them, calculating how many time they're doing the loop and removing Lullaby so they doesn't have to declare every monsters. idk I guess I get why it is banned but it's also just a fun interaction with the game and I 100% believe when they say they're doing it for the fun of it and not to troll judges

Every so often I have to come back to re-watch this video because WOW what a trip.

The dude saying "this is fun", I think they meant "I find this funny". Small, but important difference.

Im half way to the video ! no matter how this ends... i admire this guy for figuring things out ! its really creative

card shuffler is a conintious effect during the standby phase. dat fuck. the longer i look at this duel i notice more stuff like this.

Hey, at least he achieved manually-controlled perpetual motion in Yu-Gi-Oh

Oh no, table 500 and his pole position judge call made a fusion dance to create this abomination.

This same thing comes up in MtG as well. The judge says the results are non-deterministic and you are not significantly advancing the board state. You have to then make a different play.

ok this was one of the most interesting videos ive ever watched

So finally after so much thinking you found me my Deck for the european Championship

More than Marshie being unbased you realize Dawnstar gave the statistics because he was told he needed an exact number and the exact mechanics of a loop which does not change length. Which means Dawnstar did provide the 3 required things that an infinite loop needs

What a wonderful soul he did the math so we wouldn't have to .

I'm glad some of your videos that you did a while back is feeding through KZfaq again. This is by far the best video i've seen

As someone coming from mtg dipping my toes in ygo, this is giving me major four horseman vibes

I’m not even mad… that dude is smarter than any of us to come up with that loop. Haha

“He’s coming.” -Farfa, Table 500

Coder has to be the only content creator I've seen that can make Judge calling an entertaining thing to watch.

I mean, I understand the frustration but this is art

This is GCD's legacy. The true power of Yajiro loops unlocked.

I love these judge call videos

This man has such a comprehensive grasp of the concept of true infinity and he uses it to play fucking yugioh

This guy's gonna force some ruling changes

The fact of that guy making all those math calcs just to prove that his loop is legal its so based wtf

This is the shadow game that Marik throws his opponent's in, without a end

So I expect to see a lot more judge calls on dueling book from this deck soon.

now someone needs to play that deck in a official tournament so we get a official ruling

It's players like this guy who should be the real DDD spread sheet makers omegalul

This is literally the mind of an MTG Commander/EDH player

That meme where the office lady sees two pictures and says its the same thing. Yeah, thats jet synchron deck and this for me.

The worst part is that the drone part is non-deterministic. He's definitely doing it to fuck with the judges.

This is gonna sound hella sus, and I am clarifying now that I am not in any way affiliated with the blue player. I'm just finding it completely idiotic that Yugioh players/judges have problems with infinite combo wins. There should not be a "right way" of playing the game and enforcing laws against making infinite combo win cons seems just silly. Simply coming up with the concept of an infinite in Yugioh takes so much more skill than copy pasting decks off of deck profiles, and yet there are so many that are being punished for exploiting these interesting win cons. Personally a reason why I refuse to use DB and MD simply because of these enforced rules.

Imagine solving every world’s problems with a children’s card game ON MOTORCYCLES. I love ygo, not gonna lie.

Oh that reminds me of the debate I had with another judge about the new Morphtronic Telfon, with the question of whether or not you can declare the number of times you're doing the loop, because of the random aspect of the LG gain.

Dawnstar gonna come back next week with Psi Blocker call every card in the game :)

the yugioh player base is divided into 5 kingdoms: the comepetetive, the casual, the old school, the degenerates and the dangerously smart

The peak content after the Six Samurai, Invoked Purgatrio, Phoenix Blade, and Pole Position. My god.

This is an MTG player, definitely

Yo Pole Position did nothing wrong. Pole Position didn't know he got banned. He didn't get no Head judge. He didn't no email. His boy Yajiro messaged him saying he got banned.

For those who want to do this in master duel, dont and it isnt possible because you must preform the 40 billion loops manually.

Here's a simple Drone loop with 2 copies of Psi-Blocker summoned alternatingly to ban the revealed 3, Exiled Force to reset the columns, & Warm Worm to mill the 3. Column key: FL LE CC RE FR [Column Prep] Mezuki revive Yajiro to CC. Geonator switch Yajiro to their mmz in your FR column. BDD rebury all Mezuki. [Start Loop] Mezuki1 revive Curious to RE, Yajiro pops it, Curious retrieve BDD. Mezuki2 revive Psi-1 to RE, Yajiro stays. Mezuki3 revive Drone to FR, Drone peek 1st:3rd, Yajiro pops it. Psi-1 say 1st. BDD all Mezuki. Mezuki1 revive Psi-2 to CC, Yajiro pops Psi-1. Psi-2 say 2nd. Mezuki2 revive Psi-1 to LE, Yajiro pops Psi-2. Psi-1 say 3rd. Mezuki3 revive Curious to RE, Yajiro pops it, Curious retrieve BDD. BDD all Mezuki. Mezuki1 revive Curious to CC, Yajiro pops it, Curious retrieve BDD. Mezuki2 revive Exiled to FR, Yajiro moves to RE. Exiled pop Psi-1. Mezuki3 revive Warm to FR, Yajiro pops it, Warm mill 1st:3rd. BDD all Mezuki. [End Loop] OP: It seems like drone can be used deterministically in steps for every 3 cards, mezuki easily enables psy-blocker to turn everything off (as proof of concept I calculated for every 2 with hand destruction, or cup of ace in real time until they draw, using the loop on a card that replenishes your deck if needed). Since deck size is public knowledge, you can make a loop for every 3 until their hand is > deck & card destruction forces a loss.

This feels like a guy proving something to a college

This gives serious Psi-Blocker Dewloren vibes.

Imagine doing this in a official tournament

I’m flabbergasted 😯 This might be the craziest loop I’ve ever seen.

former maths major here. im in awe.

This guy made a magic deck in yugioh.

I think the thing that made me laugh the hardest in this video is the red player is just so immediately defensive. He sees coder enter the room and just whines to not couch the guy who's running "AP algebra".deck and then says cider cant even respond or else that's coaching XD

The moment I saw it in action I realized that it's actually genius, and debatably legal since he can't technically do it forever and the win con is either card destruction deck out or opponent can't add cards but it is stupidly long and doesn't have an exact number if you don't know the opponent plays. If this was in real life I can't guarantee that no altercation would happen after that duel

Ah yes, the most important skill for a master YuGiOh duelist after literacy: math. Imagine what YuGiOh players will be able to do once they discover physics?

i'd heard there was a strategy that took 11 days to win because it required you to name every card in the game but i didnt think anyone would actually go and build the actual deck

I was there watching this i cried laughing the whole way through

emergency ban mooyan curry

blue player can just have a job at NASA, invented flying car or can even solve the climate problem with his GalaxyBrain head full of math, but in the end he decided to make infinite loop in yugioh

To the admins point he could just use this loop to burn the opponent or mill them ..

the judges forgot that being based also influences this deck

Tearlament players: "We are the Tier 0 deck" Downstar: "Hold my calculator"

thats a GigaChad-Jimmy Neutron deck. dude did everything in his power and even beyond to be the most over the top as possible

Dawnstar was literally just right though, he play makes sense, he made it as simple as possible to do, and pre did math to explain and allow the opponent to understand better so that less problems will arise. Head judge is just being a piece of trash who hates fun and I cant respect that at all especially when Dawnstar did everything he wanted in the older game with exact number and removed the need to do every card by just doing the ones in the deck. He did everything the judge wanted and still got screwed, so disrespectful of the judge, so glad i don't play dueling book anymore.

The craziest part is he did fix every problem from the previous loop and did the math that answered all the judges questions from the previous match, he was able to make a loop that did not require naming every monster card in the game and it’s Impressive on both ends of the table the head judge being able to calculate the lp and the statistics necessary to complete the loop, even if it is wildly unnecessary for this card game, I just wish this guy would you all this statistical analysis to build an actually competitive deck

4:10 im actually crying rn, this guy actually did that shit... what a chad

Ah, Advanced mathematics in a game where people struggle to read. What can go wrong?

Holy shit that is the most convoluted loop i have ever seen NOW DO IT IN MD