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I NEVER would have caught that. It's a beautiful mind you've got my friend

Not a baseball watcher, but your videos are awesome. I didn't realise there was this much depth tbh, always thought it was just "man with stick hit ball if can" but baseball is far more tactical than i gave it credit for. I see a lot of parallels between this and poker now. Knowing your "tell" can be used to your advantage. I assume some pitchers do this, maybe showing the base runners their grip before changing it as they hide it behind the glove for example. Also, and i may be way off, but doing a break down of right/left handed pitcher advantges and disadvantages could be interesting for laypeople like me.

Holy crap great job. Got anything on the Ohtani tipping, if there was?

I was going to say it looks like he must be starting with a fastball grip. And if it's a fastball, you don't see him manipulate the ball in his glove to get a different grip. If it's offspeed, he does. I didn't notice the head thing until you said it.

Yeah, right? Youd think they've got someone picking this stuff up too

Nothing is safe when Jomboy is at the helm, dissecting content for all it’s worth

how much you wanna bet in practice he doesn't look around at all because he doesn't care about the bases?

@@TheAlmightyBracket bro what? 😂

@@calebmathisen1109 During his bullpen sessions they aren't picking up on this.

What's hilarious is that this comment is completely incomprehensible. Took me a while to figure out that it should be "bring" not "being".

@@quartino_ Autocorrect is a thing.

Now the Tigers know it, too.

agreed. I still won't watch a full game on TV but this was fun.

So help me out- what is it about there being a baserunner that forces (or encourages) the pitcher to change his movements in a way that makes his pitches easier to read? I heard the word "stretch" but I don't really know that that's about.

Pretty amazing for the Yankees to figure this out. Obviously they have a whole big team and they’re very invested in winning the game, but still. Maybe I’m just a casual but I can’t imagine how they would ever notice this.

I didn’t even know stuff like this existed in baseball. I hope he sees this video or at least finds out why he was getting hammered.

Holy shit I just saw your profile picture and I thought "wait... when did I comment on this video??"

@@AzureKite shiddd i thought u were the original guy 💀

@@Magoo1881 they most likely have scouts assigned to find stuff like this every game

really did seem like they were left out there to drown

What would you have done, genius?

@@tejasgreen1717 spoken to the pitcher and tell him not to give away his pitches as they’ve figured out his tendencies, genius

@@ethanthompson9569 the thing is you don’t necessarily know how you’re tipping pitches especially as a pitcher in the moment. But it’s on the coaches to figure that out if the Yanks can the Tigers coaches and players should be able to see it too

I find it amazing none of the batters on his own team picked it up, they must not pay much attention

A thousand times more effective in getting people interested in the sport than all of Manfred's BS dumbing-down gimmicks rolled together.

We not into baseball lil bro, we just into Jomboy

I am one of those people, i love these and it’s helped me understand the complexities in the game of baseball

Gotten me back into baseball after playing for 12 years and getting burnt out

@@Izmona7 Nah I’m a fan of jomboy but he really did get me into baseball. No way I’d watch a game 2 years ago but I will now.

The people who know a sport watch it on another level. I know people who love Nascar and they point out things I'd never notice. To me it's just cars doing circles.

@@johnjames5405 I was on an airport shuttle in Vegas and some guys were talking about the Nascar race they were going to and complaining about some other raceway that wouldn't let fans bring scanners in. They were saying they wouldn't go to a race without a scanner. Light bulb! So watching racing is more interesting if you can listen to the drivers and pit crew. OK, got it.

If you're watching on TV, there's too much going on, and only one camera angle. Jomboy Breakdowns give us everything we miss the first time around. Screw first responders, the Jomboy Crew are the real heroes.

​@@jimponton693 the reason some tracks don't allow scanners is because teams have been caught using them to cheat before. They listen to other driver's and their crews, and use their strategies against them. Think Astros and trash cans.

It breaks the game down, and shows people that dont know, or really watch baseball, what's going on. Theres more than spitting, and crotch scratching going on during the game.

The only breakdowns Skip has are when Shannon points out "his" Cowboys or Baker Mayfield are straight trash.

ESPN has been on 24 hours a day for decades but they can’t carve out 8 minutes to give a proper breakdown like this. Remarkable.

ESPN is pretty bad in general for talking anything logical about a sport

ESPN is so bad at baseball. It’s an issue. Most baseball fans can talk about the game better and more in depth

@@Ryan-cb1ei hockey as well, not to mention soccer. They literally cover football and basketball.

Exactly!!!! Baseball is easy when you know what pitch is coming

Kinda like it helped the Yankees in 2015 & 2016 season

@@zchirtos Lol

Bang on though he is a rookie so nit as seasoned as those the Astros faced likely why it wasnt a blowout like here....feel for the pitcher but he has good stuff though

I suspected Josh Donaldson or DJ LeMahieu clued everyone in.

Yup, it truly is a game if inches! both physically and even more so mentally.

For me slugfest usually includes the other team hitting the ball

idk what this is tbh, if you like mental games watch Maddux or Greinke on the mound, this just seemed kind of like letting the batters know what pitch is coming so now that we know they know what's coming we know how to take advantage of the fact that they know what's coming, but at the end of the day you're still letting them know what you're about to pitch so is it really that helpful? and even better, we'll have our centerfielder fake like he's coming in to catch the ball then surprise the batting team by actually letting the ball fly over the fielder's head? ... idk just seems like they're trying too hard to emulate people they watched back in the good days of baseball when players played good hard baseball and cunning players used trickery to deke an opposing player . it's sad what the sport has become tbh especially if this nonsense is the peak of mental games within baseball

@@jhanks2012 I disagree. He was subconsciously tipping pitches, the opposing team was cunning enough to pick up on something so small as his head movements. Ever consider why that was? I bet you haven’t. Nonetheless, the Yanks capitalized on it, and the Tigers had no idea what they knew, but they figured they had what pitches he was about to throw. The trickery probably would have worked if that was the case - it was pretty smart - but it was a solution to the wrong problem.

@@user-vr5zk9ox8d idk man it just doesn't seem that subconscious to me. his head movements were not that small and unnoticeable. he clearly eventually found out that they were picking up on it so at least by that point he knew they knew the pitch before it came but he still continues doing his tell before each pitch. like when he does the tell for offspeed pitch then lobs one easy one in right down the plate because he knows they won't swing. clearly he knew they knew. maybe it started out as a subconscious thing that the hitters picked up on but that doesn't seem to be the whole story here imo

I agree

Facts my guy!

One of the only breakdowns we’ve gotten in a while..

Really good breakdown

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I'm not a baseball fan, never have been and never will be. this video was entertaining however. It does further solidify to me that I will never enjoy baseball because it's so boring unless you are 'in the know'. and the cost of entry to be 'in the know' enough to enjoy the game is far, far too high.

@@thethatcher It doesn’t have to be. Just watch and listen to what the broadcasters and analysts say. It’ll make sense real quick. Although it really does help when you follow a good team with a good broadcasting crew, like the Yankees. I feel bad for people who are a fan of repeatedly bad teams. But if you can’t get into it at least try to enjoy good plays from a far

@@Ryan-cb1ei I appreciate your respectful reply. I have tried on the past to find enjoyment in baseball and it's just not for me. I like the analytics, but the game is boring to me.

And after all that... It's still extremely boring to watch

@@Ryan-cb1ei I can't stand the Padres or the dodgers broadcasting team. I feel like they have no personality so when my team isn't on and I need baseball for the day, I always pick someone other than them two teams lol I love Cleveland's broadcasting team they make watching the game even better if I can't make it to a game.

If the Tigers couldn’t figure this out the next day after watching film every single coach should be fired lol

@Robert Reital it's not that he hit a HR with a fastball in the middle of the plate. It's the fact that the rookie didn't understand how the Yankees were sitting on his fastball EVERYTIME he was throwing it.

as a tigers fan, I've been saying that since 2014

I think he knew he was tipping his pitches out of the stretch but didn't know exactly how.

Kinda sucks that we have 5 starting pitchers injured

They definitely did know something was up, the catcher was trying, but all the pitch call deception just shows how far they were from figuring out what it actually was.

Yankees gonna be pissed as well LOL

@@curtismann6851 This is what I wonder. Does Jomboy notice things that no one notices or would the pitching coach catch it after reviewing film after the game?

@@curtismann6851 they really didn't think this would ever work again in today's era. They would have figured out what the pitcher was doing wrong on the plane flight home. Some coach's ass might be on the line if this guy was tipping pitches before this game on video. The Yankees picked up on it real time, every team in the league probably had it figured out by 9 am this morning. Just looking at the detailed stats would tip an amateur off. This rookie will bounce back from this quick. It's an easy fix.

Reminds me a lot of a breakdown he did a few years ago, where he showed how the Astros we're figuring out if a fast ball or breaking ball was coming based on how the pitcher was holding his glove before throwing the pitch.

Just brilliant. That is all.

Who's this "we", you got crabs?

Man I hope jomboy gets paid more than a booth analysist/commentator, he puts in more work!

He’s the John madden of bsbl

Yep, agreed

Jomboy makes baseball analysis fun. This game is more than throw, swing, hit...it's watch, learn..share.

That’s such a perfect way to put it. Rookie pitcher not supposed to even be in the MLB yet gets taken advantage of by professionals.

It's not the rookie's fault. His pitching coaches have failed him, they should have noticed the tell.

@@Phyrre56 This. 100% this. Most pitchers need their catcher and pitching coach to give them guidance. Not every pitcher is going to be as clever as, say, Greg Maddux. All a pitcher really is needs good stuff and the willingness to let his catcher and pitching coach guide him. Quarterbacks in football and point guards in basketball, on the other hand, need to be very observant and analytical to excel. There's a reason most baseball players aren't very intelligent: being very intelligent doesn't help a baseball player much.

@@yekutielbenheshel354 Who are the mediocre to really good baseball players who would have performed better by being less intelligent?

@@jordan_8329 I repeat, "There's a reason most baseball players aren't very intelligent: being very intelligent doesn't help a baseball player much." Intelligence in baseball is like height, neither matter much. Many baseball players in MLB are around 5'10" tall, but very few basketball players in the NBA are around 5'10". Height is a crucial factor in basketball.

Johan Santana tipped his changeup most of the time too- still nobody could hit it. Blyleven also stuck his tongue out on breaking balls for years and was still an effective pitcher.

Doesn't matter if you know what's coming when it's a 101mph fastball with movement.

I don't remember who it was, but a player once said something kind of about this when talking about Mariano Rivera and his cutter. They said "you know what's coming, but you know what's coming in scary movies too. It still gets you."

@@miles3908 to me that just shows how good that cutter was. Dominated the league with one pitch

@@Memorex996 100% agree

Tbf this was this pitchers 3rd start in the majors

@@nickcelestino yeah but you got the minor league pitching coach and other coaches as well. Maybe opposing hitters didn’t pick up on it in the minors but he was still probably doing it

I came to add this exact comment. This us all on his coaches. Good news for him is he can fix this, and maybe even use it to fool some batters.

@@nickcelestino yeah, but I'm sure they've watched him in plenty of other games. I'm sure they've had him practice game situations a LOT. So, unless this habit was a one game fluke, it's not his fault.

@@TheJeffMiller Oh, I agree. Easy fix. Kids got good stuff. Hell, he was almost still very competitive despite the Yanks knowing when fastball was coming.

The kid looked good when they didn't know what was coming,. Gosh, that has to be a horrid feeling when you feel you have good stuff and they put a 10 on the board.

Bad news is he may have to miss a few starts and come on in relief for a few weeks to make sure his changes are working...otherwise he is a liability from the stretch, you would be better off with a HS Fastpitch softball hurler at that point. At least no one would have a clue how to put a bat on it for a few innings.

Lol all this channel did is watch tape. Just like his coaching staff will, I’ve seen yu darvish tip pitches and he’s an elite pitcher.

Leagues ahead of everybody except the Yankees video analysis guy who watched 100 innings of this pitcher to see if he tipped his pitches in any way :) I met a guy in the minor leagues who said he worked for an MLB team doing that exact job. The story he told us was that he watched hours and hours of R.A. Dickey looking for anything, and found that a very high amount of the time when Dickey gave up a homerun he threw a fastball first pitch to the next batter. He relayed it to the team, they happened to hit a bomb off him the next time they faced him, and the next guy sat fastball first pitch and hit another one. Pretty crazy how many habits you have to avoid falling into as a player in order to be elite

@@elucas51 "Pretty crazy how many habits you have to avoid falling into as a player in order to be elite" - like being a serial killer, you either have to be perfect or completely random.

@fbi

meddle

@@mvsr990 fbi open up

he’s reaching here, which is why he didn’t show most of his pitches with men on base

@@Dragon-tc6ud if you right you right as a man from flint mi I been a tigers fan my whole life but still I mean it did happen allllllot for it to be a fluke

@@Dragon-tc6ud The only AB that he didn't show every pitch of was Carpenter's HR

Jomboy didn't know what was happening live though. He was intrigued and looked through the replays to see what happened.

@@yesfinallygot1 but he did notice something was up and was then able to figure out what it was. I'm sure many of us could watch endless replays and not have picked up on it before having it pointed out to us. It's a great observation by Jomboy and a great analysis

It's some of the best breakdowns. other than ejections of course lol

The problem is that A. they're difficult to spot and B. it's rare something to this degree happens, jomboy doesn't decide what plays actually occur.

It's a baseball thing...every batter is looking for some type of tipping.

@@hoanpham4545 the tigers own catcher didn't even realize it tho lol

@@kasdcomoa5567 I think he realized the Yankees knew what was coming, but he couldn't figure out what was giving the pitches away.

No one is forgetting how smart jomboy is when it's about baseball analytics

@@kevinconnor6035 Yeah true

Yeah…like fire them all and stuff. That outta learn em.

They had to pick on the Tigers, go figure

I agree!! Jomboy is excellent and really helps keep me stay active with the long season. It does really help if you have a favourite team to tune into after work, even just passively watching. That’s another reason why I personally love baseball, because it doesn’t really matter what kind of fan you are (new or hardcore), you can just turn it on for enjoyment while you do other stuff, or you can get really engrossed in the game with every detail like a complex mind game of wits and anticipation.

Jomboy's that informed, true fan in the stands you happen upon that knows his shit and doesn't sugarcoat, no matter if it's against his team or not. That's what's missing from the marketing... er announcers' booth.

@@jfayiii very true, Pitching Ninja is another good one on YT :)

Great comment, but I can’t like anything in support of the yanks mate, I’m sorry.

It's brought some fun back to the game for me. I also find myself trying to read people's lips in every sport I watch. "Let's Go!' and "WTF?" are said a lot.

You were doing so well till that last line

@@darthsilversith667 😂😂 Definitely missed out on some likes for that one!

Jomboy this is a master class. I have subscribed

That’s why they can’t win a playoff series to save they life😂

Yep, because he was lights out last game vs Cleveland before he left with an injury. I think he could’ve repeated vs yanks if not for the tipping

He probably doesnt do it during his bullpen sessions

Hinch.. nuf said

What if he was doing it cuz he was betting on the other teams to win..?

It was one of his first times pitching for real so nobody knew what his mannerisms would be in that higher pressure situation. When he was training with his coaches he probably never did it but now they know and cam correct it.

@@TheGoodChap he didn’t pitch any time before this game??

@@jeffkuhn6003 i think it was his 3rd game but it wasn't something they apparently picked up on at the time. Maybe they should have been looking closer, it is pretty weird they didn't notice, but maybe i'd have to watch those games to see if he was doing it egregiously then too. But now they know what to fix

@@TheGoodChapI see what you’re saying, but that means it’s even more impressive the yanks dialed in on it that fast. In football, some RBs give away the play to the LBers based on their first stutter step. Some quarterbacks do it via what mannerism they call an audible with. In UFC some fighters pull their back shoulder before throwing a jab.. all of those are far more subtle than this. Furthermore, I wouldn’t be surprised to know that some teams have “intel” staff that find tells like these amongst pitchers given the advancement of technology.

@@manley9308 It certainly possible someone on the Yankees staff figured this out when watching video of this kid's first 2 starts, and the Yankee hitters were given this information before this game even started.

Tbh if the cf catches that fly all and he doesn’t tip his pitches he totally could have thrown 5-6 innings and only given up 2-3 runs.

@@paytonbell3767 his tipping pitches easily cost him 9-10 ER

they're pros...whats more is how the tigers didnt notice he was doing it...they knew something was up

@@tricktaylor1983 they knew but they couldn't figure out what it was, they had faith in him and if this was his habits from minors and even maybe college/ high school days nobody will notice until something like this happens

@@AG-fv4yb not true. I'd say this is one of the only jobs of the pitching coach. To watch and make sure his pitchers aren't tipping them.

Considering its the 2nd time that Ohtani had a bad outing in New York, its not entirely impossible that Shohei is tipping some of his pitches.

@@ajsantiago8574 and pretty sure hes already made one adjustment this year cause he was tipping pitches

I was wondering why ohtani had done poorly in New York (sure, it's only two games, but for him that's a lot) but this is a good theory, I'd say.

But don't you dare bang on a trashcan when you know what's coming...

Tigers are probably using this breakdown to coach the kid up

Former major leaguer Trevor Plouffe is on the staff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s behind this breakdown on the technical aspect.

@@AEMoreira81 pretty sure Jomboy would have credited him unless Trev specifically asked not to be credited for some weird reason. Either way, seems like this was all Jimmy.

Agree!! Straight up watch and see what you can see 👀 🙌

Of course they happen in the mlb. I’m impressed you were able to manipulate a pitcher like that

Only ONE swing and a miss in 75 pitches thrown. I wonder if Donaldson or LeMahieu knows something.

They're probably illegally stealing signs again through new methods, we already know the MLB was covering for them when they were doing it a few years ago.

Ohtani's tell is this: When he pitches against the Yankees he forgets to be good. Seriously though, dude has the potential to be among the greatest players ever if his career is anywhere near his potential. It is so far, but he needs to do it for a long time to be in that conversation with people like Ruth. I'm rooting for him... except when he plays the Yankees. So that's working out so far.

@@Sam_on_KZfaq by your logic he’ll never have a chance to reach greatness because he got a late start to his mlb career. It’s the same thing that happened with ichiro, who also very much so has a claim at goat but had to waste time over in Japan. The way the rules prevent Japanese players from getting a full mlb career also prevents them from getting any big all time records to put them in contention with the goats.

@@vancearama No. Ohtani is already great. From his Japanese career, his rookie season, last year as maybe the greatest single season anyone has ever achieved, so far this year, and the limited playing time during his injury seasons, that is plenty for him to be great. As for Ichiro, I put him easily in the conversation with people like Ty Cobb. Among the top dozen or so. And I do count his Japanese numbers there. But true GOAT? You need to START with some area where you individually outshine other teams and have a great full career, which narrows it down to very few players. Guys like Babe Ruth, Ricky Henderson, Satahara Oh, and Josh Gobson (2 of whom never played in MLB). There might be a few more, but very few. Ichiro's hit totals aren't at that level, they aren't enough orders of magnitude outside the norm. Then after that, you need to look at other factors. Ruth was also a borderline HOF caliber pitcher, so I see no comparison to him... Until Ohtani. If Ohtani puts together a career that lives up to his potential, he might surpass Ruth, as Ruth couldn't be among the best pitchers and hitters AT THE SAME TIME. That's why he gave up pitching. Ohtani can. That is, frankly, amazing.

Ohtani had only one swing and a miss in his 75 pitches. The Yankees were making contact or taking pitches otherwise.

@@AEMoreira81 that’s a lot more suspicious to have a game that good against a pitcher who’s never had that happen before. If he was tipping it would’ve already been caught

this

break down the whistles lol

I second this.

@@marcscherzer yes this and please a Dec riot I’ve video breakdown of pitch com communication system and how it works and the rules about it.

Back stretch, fast ball. Look at 3rd base, fast ball. If Ohtani can pick up the pace, he won’t tip the batters as much. Watch Trevino’s body langauge when he’s tipped off.

He’s probably not supposed to be in the mlb yet but as he said he’s got good stuff he just needs to not tip his stuff

@@jackhumbach9086 he’s not supposed to be. Tigers have had 12 starters hit the IL so far this year. Skubal is the only starter in the rotation rn who was also in the opening day rotation

You do realize the Tigers are trying to fool the Yankees right? And how do you know they haven't picked up some tells on Yankee pitching?

Barnhart admitted he didn't know what was going on until the 8th, when Rizzo told him at first base.

Honestly reading pitchers and stealing signs was some of my favorite parts of baseball. I played first base for the most part and always had eyes on the third base coach. I remember one game where I actually had to start figuring out different ways to signal to my team steals and bunts because they caught on to me tipping off the infield after switching their signs up for the third time. By the end of the game you had runners on base standing flat foot on a hit and run because their signals were so different than when the game started. Baseball is such a fun game man I love this channel!

Damn, here I was in soccer riding the bench and prepping water cups. The joke was I had 99 in thirst awareness in FIFA

That is why baseball is like chess, but with fastballs.

@@AEMoreira81 that is not how chess works at all

Dude that’s awesome

Verlander went through the same "tipping the pitch" thing his rookie season, albeit with the White Sox.

@@pabloapostar7275 Good observation, when an organization hurries their talent before the ready, it's very difficult on the young prospect.

Because he IS a double A pitcher. Keep in mind for non Tigers fans here, all but one of their pitchers (not to mention many of their key players in the lineup) are injured and most of these poor fellas in the rotation are double A pitchers who have to fill in for awhile until further notice. They’re basically getting fed to the wolves which is the Tigers season in a nutshell. But it will be great experience for them and will hopefully help them develop more when they get sent back down.

@@Gamebrojeremy1 thank god that one is skubal. hes so fun to watch

@@Gamebrojeremy1 thank you for letting me know that. I'm neither a tiger's or a Yankees fan. But from simple observation, having played the game, and experience of nearly 65 years. I could see that young man wasn't ready for the big times. I hope it doesn't harm his confidence. Thanks again.

Brother?

Dude lol he's a smart and capable guy but he's not omnipotent. "There's nothing anyone can say that he can't figure out." LOL he's not god. There are things he doesn't know. Every job needs specialized training; he has already chosen the job that best fits his knowledge and capabilities; please stop saying such bullshit, it's so stupid that it's a shame to appear in this comment section.

@@hanwentian8096 Bro chill

@@hanwentian8096 who hurt you? It's just hyperbole.

I'd wager that Jomboy heard about this from the community, then did a video on it rather than deciphering on his own.

@@hanwentian8096 I liked your comment until the very end. Yeah calm down pal 😅

You could tell during the first at bat against Ohtani that they knew something they shouldn't know. 11 pitches to Carpenter ending in a lead off homer. Then they went 53 pitches without a swing and miss. Annoying as hell

@@smcdonough1427 - That becomes really off when you realize that Ohtani has the highest chase rate in the league.

That explains everything. Seems so logical reason why you did it, and must be very common. I blame Detroit coaching staff for not catching it. The only downside is once Jomboy reveals it, everyone is going to catch on.

@@youngche3318 Oh the staff is going to figure this out at some point before his next start, it's already outdated information.

@@youngche3318 I mean, that includes the pitcher and the staff, which means he can fix it, so nbd.

@@youngche3318 but good news for the Yankees, by the time Detroit fixes this they’ll be playing Boston, Toronto and Tampa

Should have been caught at Rookie or A ball level.

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I be with my dawgs in the streets You can just call me verlisify

@@squal6216 ayyyyye shofu fan

Only ONE swing and a miss in 75 pitches.

I think hes already made one change this year cause he was tipping them

Essentially "tunnel vision" - you focus too much on a complicated solution, that you miss very simple errors in your logic/methodology.

He's already a bad pitcher, maybe they just thought it's just a bad day for him so they don't look for something special.

@@hanwentian8096 this is his second game idk about bad pitcher

@@hanwentian8096 Jomboy says this pitcher's stuff is good; he just gotta keep his head straight.

I was rewinding constantly trying to figure out what he was doing and I kept focusing on his glove when he would come set or if his motion to the plate was different. Never even looked at his head. Tunnel vision is a crazy thing

Not to get all Conspiracy on this but Jomboy works for the Yankees now. Not impossible that this was fed to him.

@KJ Dude if anything, wouldn't the Yankees try to keep this information to themselves? Doesn't make much sense to give up something only you know to the rest of the league.

@@kjdude8765 Yeah, they fed this to him so he could make a video to show millions of people. Logic is hard.

The fact that the Tigers did not figure this out is... well... Tigers-esque.