No, I would consult with fellow humans

No. Just in case if I accidentally destroy the world

@@nerminsnowhuseinbasic9340who beat your father to death for believing in science and sentenced you to hard labor for many years.

@@emilefamon1012 we are humans, forgiveness is written In our genes. I am not religious but my inner moral would push me towards forgiveness and would also prevent me to decide fate of billions just because Individuals wronged me or even did these horrible things to my family. I just don't like that she in the show decided it without properly thinking and contemplating, literally decision was made in a way that is not usual for any decision even ones way way smaller then answering to alien race that could annihilate humanity forever.

@@nerminsnowhuseinbasic9340 Says the person who has never been tortured in life.

Underrated comment. I never thought of that this way. Maybe they're both trying to escape their own personal hell, which end up in even worse hell they both didn't foresee.

How can the Shan Ti have traitors if they are a hive mind? This part confused me.

@@chandlerlawson96they are not hive mind. They just can’t hide things from each other. Their thought is transparent to each other but others do not automatically know what you are doing.

In the 2nd book, there was a bit more background to this story: as soon as the Shan Ti traitor carried out this action, he/she was immediately caught by the Shan Ti Master, and the traitor knew he/she would be immediately caught, but he/she did it anyway. The Shan Ti Master had to wait for 8 years to find out that the traitor's action had no effect, as Wenjie answered anyway. What I find inexplicable in the book was the traitor's ultimate fate, but I am not going to spoil it here. @@chandlerlawson96

@@billyhe2724 Yeah and in the book, the Shan Ti pacifist was some dude alone on a space station so there was no one around to read their mind.

I think humanity doomed by those who killed Ye’s father

So true this scene gave me goosebumps

@@bca-jf9cg Chinese people under Mao and the like....and those cultural revolutions after Mao.... The people that killed her father made her hateful mindset and personality.... to see the world (China in that time period ) and people of the world ( again people of China in that time period) for making that unimaginably horrible mistake... Anyway what I mean is she had never experienced any other ideologies and lifestyles OUT Of CHINA under super mad and brutal dictators.... The same goes for the writer of triplet of 3 body problem books and its spin offs.... Mr. Liu Cixin No doubt that he's a super genius writer in sci-fi.... but please if you have extra time, search about his ideologies and beliefs and you will understand why he wrote those almost Dooms and Glooms for humanity's end....

@@Talia.777 Yeah, those who follow Karl Marx's ideology are ruining the western world to this day.

If I remember the books correctly, humanity was doomed the moment they bounced the signal through the sun. Some pacifist Trisolaran sent the message, but knew it was futile because other listening posts (or maybe his/her superiors?) would still be aware of Earth's transmission.

Better have no regrets afterwards.

You shouldn’t…

If you hesitate, you probs let shouldn’t send it.

She let that intrusive thought win

@@Clarity520 She did put up something of a fight with the intrusive thought before hitting "send".

In the book she is further beaten down by life. Spoilers! Both her parents died to the denunciations, her mother even went crazy. Her teacher, who she sometimes visited and was close to, commited suicide cause she couldn’t take anymore of the purges. Her sister abandoned their family to save herself from their politically dangerous legacy but later died anyways . She got lucky to not be punished as a traitor and just got send to a quiet rural work camp. There she made a friend, she helped him write a letter to warn of environmental degradation and when the political currents shifted and he was gonna get in trouble, he blamed her for the letter, even though she only wrote what he dictated. Later she suffered years of isolation in her job in the video, and her peers take over her work and take all the credit for her discoveries. And even after the kind alien scientist warned her not to respond or else the other aliens would triangulate Earth’s locations, she was just so disillusioned . Also had to kill her boss who was going to steal the alien discovery info, and accidentally killed her husband in the process. And after leaving she meets a rich guy who hates humanity and makes a society to plan for the Alien’s arrival, but he takes over the whole organization and kicks her out. And after going back to a calm life, her own daughter committs suicide due to the aliens going after scientists and making her crazy. She really was hurt by everything in her life. She didn’t even want to exterminate humanity, she was of the “better that aliens guide us than more of this human stuff, lest ask them for help”. But it all got out of hand. She is the most screwed over character in the whole series, pressing the button was not even the end of bad things happening to her. If she wanted to kill all humans at least then she would be evil and that’s that, but no.

@@yucol5661Right.

😅 I thought you was quoting an ancient Chinese verse then you hit us with Mfs

her

@@Kev376 oh shit i didnt notice. My bad.

It is not about asking help. She did that because of revenge regarding his family and the world in which she end up living. The message is just the way how she expresed her hatred toward everything and everyone.

@@georgewilliamgutarracampos6262 I read the book. Her hatred is justified. What's amazing to me is China allowed it to be published.

​@@georgewilliamgutarracampos6262it was really bad luck, of all people she was the one who got the message and communication and as weird as its gets the author makes another female character fck up humanity's plan on saving itself later in the books or story. Its like the man just made another Eve eat the forbidden apple which lead humanity's suffering from original sin. While the male characters try hardest as they can to save humanity especially one wallfacer who saves humanity with quote unquote a push of a button like this one how poetic. However female chracters will also have their redemption.

This doesnt jive with her responses in present day. She really thought theyd come and make everything better. That's why the "you are bugs" scene broke her so thoroughly

Very precise metaphor indeed! Humans are bugs and Trisolarians are "5 year old" compared to other advanced civilizations in the universe.

I'm curious, if she didn't send a reply was it only a matter of time though?

Question is that when they started developing the Sophon?

They (San-Ti) might have considered sending a smaller colony because there was no way of knowing how far away we were: by the time they got there their planet could have been torn apart already by their suns. ​@@NRV0

Sounds reasonable, but there *are* other ways to determine the origin of the signal. For example, it must have come from a planet, which must be orbiting a star. If they could detect a signal coming from one direction, then they could have detected any stars along that direction, as well. The first star's system would likely be the origin, and even if it weren't, it would still be worth investigating.

@@NRV0 There's a cut line from the book mentioning that there are millions of stars in our direction. It's possible they could still find Earth, but they would have to look at every single star.

What short story is it ?

Which story?

That is the short story

Another similar story Scientists sent signals and transmissions into the skies, hoping for an answer. One day they got a message back, It read ”be quiet they are listening”.

​@@elementoon1651 what story?

This is exactly what I was thinking while I watched.

This is a great analysis. She's the perfect example in this situation as a pure individual, ironically something the San-Ti kinda lacks.

That's the genius part, you understand her mindset and exactly why she did it. But as it's said later on in the series "who gave you the right to decide for all of us?". No matter what she had been through, this was the most evil malicious act committed by any human in the history of the species.

Uh... what? She is the traitor of humanity. She also ran a murderous cult. She didn't give a F about anything other than her own rage.

Yeah, she later frames her intentions as some kind of enlightened thought. But I think she really did it from a place of nihilism.

To which the aliens responded "You're bugs" - literal trashtalk 😂

​@@gooberspread123 This deserves a Wojak meme so badly.

"You lie but not exclusively out of fear? for no reason as well? incomprehensible bugs, creepy little fks, We'll do the world a service by ending you" Probably Shan Ti

@@Htleverydaydang Man U got me facing walls now

"U ok hun?"

Imagine the CGI cost for Season 2 and 3. How the hell would you even depict the 4D tombs? It would make the "inside the blackhole" scene from Interstellar look like child's play.

@@Six6SicksIf they can do multiple season Stranger Things, I'm sure the budget is not a problem.

@@Six6Sicks thats what i have thought xD xD xD oh man, this could be so dope

@@Six6Sicksoh bro and when they are on pluto in the third book, and "the thing" happens. Just imagine it....

I swear if Netflix doesn't produce season 2 and 3, I will stop pirating its shows illegally.

I read the novel. He sees the same of San-Ti as Ye sees of earth and humanity. They had identical views and that's why he warned her

I thought they acted as one mind?

@@jamiemontgomery5289 That one abandoned his own race somehow.

​@@jamiemontgomery5289try to. Outliers exist everywhere

@@jamiemontgomery5289they aren’t a hive mind. They just can’t lie or deceive as their communication is not like our voices, they just think and it automatically gets communicated out. So the alien scientist was disillusioned with his life (bad job, was getting old, couldn’t find someone to reproduce with him) and dislutioned with his empire too, and he sacrificed himself to warn Earth. Unfortunately he didn’t explain why Ye Wenjie shouldn’t answer. And since he can’t lie, he was punished severely for his treason when the others found out.

"I cannot save myself. I will help you conquer me." :)

why do you use that language?

​@@rotyler2177Because they can

@@rotyler2177 woman

This scared the heck out of me fr.

You have no idea how spot on your comment was.

Based on a great book

In the original book Ye only sends "Let them come". Her motivations are revealed through narration.

Oh...you will find out what else is out there. Believe me. The San-Ti are pretty weak, too lolol. Let's say we are a 0.7 and the San-Ti are a 1.5.

Thats highlight of the movie..

I was frustrated by that scene. Often it's not fearlessness that drives people, but desperation. The idiot also didn't explain the multiple levels of the tale: for children, it's a cautionary tale. For teens, it's about the coming of age. Edit: oops, I was thinking of the scene where he was explaining Hansel & Gretel. Still, both stories were poorly explained to the "Lord."

@@ytechnologyit wouldn’t have mattered.

​@ytechnology he also didn't explain how all recipients of the story know ahead of time that it's not something that actually happened and is meant to be taken as a lesson. Therefore it is not a lie. I don't think it was so much the fact that we tell stories that did it, I think it was more about the fact that in his explanation combined with what else they know about him they came to know of humanity as assholes. Either that or they never had any intention of cohabitation with Mike's crew and this is just part of the plan. Are the sophons lying when they show their planets story with aesthetics from earth's past? They're telling a story that's not actually true there, either. They would also know about these stories and the context of them if they had perfect knowledge of humanities history... I think they were just fucking with mike

For me its this one and the one where the creation of the Sophon is shown. The Sophon is the creepiest thing in the series for me.

In the novel a couple other people at the base found out about the signal. She then murdered them so no-one else would know.

I figure she wasn't the first, I mean something must have convinced the pharaohs to build such unnecessarily large and elaborate mausoleums...

@@InspirationSessions That "something" could be something else though

Of course ohio

Wow

So from August 15, 1977 we have to calculate 400 years.

the group of friend are all bad actors/actresses. Also the girl that got shot in the leg are bad too.

She is the worst actress,only to please western editors’ prejudice on Chinese people or Asian people.🤮🤮

​@@havenht YES...they are so bad. Every single time it switches to Jin or Jovan I roll my eyes. Just got done watching episode 2 and you can feel them acting. That's never a good sign. Auggie and Jack are okay while Ye is amazing.

@@GamingLarry20554Really? I thought Jin’s actor had a charm.

I agree because the friend group is so bad where did they find these people

I’m in the middle book two. But is there more chains of events to be set off besides the alien invasion?

@@ludmilamaiolini6811 I won’t spoil anything but keep going, imo 3rd book is even better!

​@@ludmilamaiolini6811You have no idea!

Dumb take. Did you miss the part where her father was betrayed by her mother and beaten to death by a mob right in front of her, then she was arrested, imprisoned, and tortured? Or her reaction at the massive environmental destruction wrought by the CCP? Or the fact that everywhere she went there were unrepentant, monstrous people seeking to exploit or destroy her if she didn’t do whatever they wanted? Not “high school bully” behavior by a longshot. So of course she would settle into the belief that literally anything is better than the status quo.

@@protodevilin I’m disappointed that you obsess over technicalities in analogies, but I’m not surprised.

@@georgeofhamilton Says the person that the only reason of Ye Wenjie betrayal is from high school bullies. When her trauma extended far beyond. This is why people living in the comfort on their home never understand the suffering of others.

Even chatbots have better reading comprehension than you.

@@georgeofhamilton Whatever you say hater who looks like not winning an argument. Pitiful.

Leave it to an emotional woman to end humanity😂

Not that a whole revolution that killed her father? ​@@AshtonCoolman

Should have been a woman using an apple computer in the 80's

@@dieantler no. She jeopardized our entire civilization and its future because of a bad event that happened in HER country. That's childish and selfish. In real life, I'd hope we wouldn't be that stupid but we know that we already are 😔

@@AshtonCoolmanit wasn’t emotion she believed humanity wasn’t worth it because of her life experiences

When the San-Ti arrived they would be welcomed by the king, Bran the broken.

I agree. Whatever the things about the show were that I didn't like were overtaken by the story. Imagine a single person with the power to take down the human race. It was a great watch.

Have you not seen the expanse?

@@bradleypenrith I didn't say the only show in history. I said in a long time. The Expanse first came out almost 10 years ago.

This was great scene that captured the spirit of the novel.

Make you feel like real.

My eyes filled up with tears watching it

Yep sometimes less and simple has more impact. Tencent plays it way over the top with swelling music and voice over the entire time

@@SWAT616 I missed some of the show. In the book, Ye Wenji murders her husband and a friend to defend the secret of contacting the trisolarians. Was that shown in this series?

@@Easy-Eight and then finds out she's pregnant and grows close with the villagers nearby as they care for her and her child. She teaches their children theres a reason her organization splits into two and she realized she was wrong and can now only hope that the trisolarans would foster humanity not wipe them out. She died regretting her decision.

"No creature - NONE - is as cruel to its own kind as Humans are to one another." Bullsh-t, dude. Nature is scary as sh-t and plenty of animals do some incredibly brutal things - even to their own kind - like killing and cannibalizing babies. The only difference between a human and a lion or a bear, etc, is that we have the intelligence to enact cruelty on an industrial scale.

In addition to all the other points in this thread, there's also the fact that she assumes that higher levels of technology MUST mean higher levels of morality. She has a combination of a natural human bias in favour of herself and her profession (science), has absolutely nobody else to talk to and discuss things with (because she's a political undesirable in a dictatorship), knows that she's smarter than the brutal idiots and mediocrities around her and is intellectually arrogant because of it (and has no equals who could give her constructive feedback and a reality check), has a complete lack of faith in any higher power other than her own reasoning (she has no religion or deep philosophy and the state government is obviously corrupt and incompetent), and despite hating the Maoist "our philosophical perfection will make us triumph over our enemies" propaganda she has unconsciously adopted some of its underlying assumptions and lacks the historical knowledge to disprove it (eg both the Spanish and the Aztecs were slaving, warmongering, pillaging aristocracies willing to commit massacres for their gods, so the destruction of the Aztecs was due to differences in technology and disease-resistance rather than being fairly out-competed or having their beliefs rendered obsolete by any philosophical superiority of the Spanish.) These are the sorts of traits that could make a highly intelligent person do something that a much stupider person would realise is a terrible idea. Add in the trauma, and the fact that she's misanthropic enough to have no HOPE for humanity but caring enough to WANT to save it from itself, and it makes total sense that she'd throw herself (and everyone else) on the mercy of the conquerors.

​@@mzytryck You should not have brought the Aztec and the Conquistadors into the conversation. Yes, the Spanish were power mad pillagers. However, the Aztec's idea of a fun time was to go into a village, take them captive, and sacrifice all the men on a bloody alter. It's not that the indigenous people loved the Spanish. It's just the Spanish didn't believe in absolute whole sale slaughter, brought a stable government, and were tolerable. Also, the Spanish men were boffing indigenous natives. They quickly settled with the locals. That's a thing not really talked too much in a history book. One big reason why the French did so much better in Canada than the British is they took indigenous wives. If a guy's an in-law then you're a lot more chill towards him. Face it, Jean marries local Indian maiden. Father of the bride is happy they have strong kids. Jean helps the local tribe when fishing. They are your in-laws, *you're going to have to be chill* . I am worried that you put "science" as more moral than religion, it's not. People are corrupt all over. Scientists lie and cheat all the time. Nothing is perfect and all institutions have their issues. Look at the 2024 American college system: it's collapsing. Harvard University is full of people who plagiarize one another's work. Modern colleges BRAG they practice discrimination on race. If colleges were subject to the same "hostile workplace" standards of 1998 then they could be sued for the horrible way they treat men in 2024.

you could argue the san ti listener is the one being arrogant here considering it just assumes they can go and conquer this world, when apparently they don't even know how far away it is yet lol

This isn't arrogance. This is brokenness.

@@Fear_the_Nog ignorance and/or malice. 1. ignorance if she actually believes she has the knowledge to conclude that humanity cant "save itself". 2. malice if she did it out of spite to what happend to her in life. in both cases she is not someone who should make a decision like that at all :D

@@Razerfreak1 yeah I don't think she was thinking, or believing, or concluding...so much as feeling in that moment. She's visibly shaking. There is so much repressed rage within her for so many years, it isn't even calculated spite at this point, just a pipe breaking. To her, her society itself is malice. Not condoning the button pushing, but I can understand why she did it.

​@@Fear_the_Nog she had enough time to think about what shes doing. emotional acts and decisions happen in split seconds. after that u start calculating, at that point its malice. she didnt send the message in a blink of an eye, she planned, every single latter.

She's me every time I get a "let's table this for now, we'll do some blue sky thinking and circle back in the next go-round. Can someone capture some bullet points in a slide-deck for next time we meet? (then names yours truly in a put-on inquisitive tone)" in a meeting set up to specifically do said blue sky thinking so we wouldn't have to have any more "go-rounds." Seriously, Cthulhu can wake up already.

Yup Me everytime I see ‘kind regards’

¿debemos rezarle al señor de la luz?

are you serious?

@@CRF250R1521 yeah! Listen closely

Nah... it's disguised anti-China propaganda by the American producers .

can't find it on YT anywhere... Strange.

Nah... it's the Judgement Day scene .

cancel culture with extra steps

they were really serious about killing birds.

Nothing deep about it. It's quite a shallow thought, shared by most teenagers today...

From her face itself as she types her messages, she really has come to truly despise humanity

@BlizzPort the sentiment that humanity will fuck itself up is shared not only by teenagers

@@vasvas8914 not only, but mostly kinda speaks volumes

⁠@@BlizzPortwell yeah. Because old people left a fucked up world for us to live in

I believe that kind of thing is better defined as science fantasy. If that's not your cup of tea then avoid the science fantasies.

Dune?

Toxic comment

I feel like the most shocking aspect of 3 Body Problem is the way the aliens suppressed technological advancement. That's the truly mind-blowing thing an advanced alien civilization could bring about. All the stuff about massive space battles, laser gun fights, that's just humanity projecting our technological fantasies.

​@@wcnfv You can try the tencent's series, it's more rigorous.

exactly

It's that and her concern for the ecological damage being done around her. It's why she wants the San-Ti to take the planet away from us before it's too late to save it.

Way to somehow blame "women" over the f*cking cultural revolution

Men jumping on to gender without even understanding the characters are not new though. These incels get off degrading women

Also don't forget about the scene with the one-armed Red Guard earlier in this episode. You would think someone who now has gone through her own nightmare in 1960's China would be able to now sympathize with Ye, even just a little. But no, the Red Guard revealed an even darker layer of how evil humanity can be.

tencent did it

There's still a likely chance that they will bring this up in a later season. While I also loved the turkey & the shooter analogy when it was mentioned in book 1, I think it's much more relevant to the things that happen in book 3

I wanted to see the moment she killed her husband by cutting the rope like in tencent it was disturbing. Her husband loved her but she never did and hated humanity and was so numbed by it . The Tencent version the story was slow but so detailed that her thought process was so visceral to the viewers and when it was the ultimate moment to cut the rope I think that impact was much stronger than pushing the red button .

@@florencechan1184 in the book she offs people at the red mountain too... netflix she doesnt

I really wished she schooled him on cosmic sociology in that moment instead of the joke

​@@beegest_yoshi I think her best choice is to tell the dark forest theory directly to Wade. And Wade will definitely has the balls and power to execute the deterrence to SanTi. Wade doesn't show up in the original novel until the 3rd book. So she told the theory to Luo Ji before she is captured. While in the TV show, Wade directly interrogated Ye. She has no reason to tell it to Soul, who looks pretty unlikely to use the information correctly. I think it's a bug on the story lol

maybe this isn't covered in the netflix series (they had to condense a lot of storyline into a 8 episodes), but Ye Wenjie discovers a way to bounce radio waves of a particular frequency and power off the sun. The first contact is through experimenting with this method, the second contact is in this scene

MLK was a socialist lmao

@@SirSpinach this was covered

In the book I really could not disagree with her logic. Conversely, I really *hated* the eco-warriors who took the tri-solarian side. They were generally not a lot different that ANTIFA malcontents, spoilt rich kids.

Even within the confines of China, no one could've known if there would come a time that China was gonna ever be stable during Mao's reign. In some ways, Ye was tempted at the thought of having power at any cost (same as Mike Evans) Ye and Evans is probably partly inspired from China's current leader Xi Jinping, whose dad was also persecuted in a "struggle session" during the cultural revolution.

Reasonable my ass. She deserves capital punishment on spot for this

Fr it freaked me out a bit

This scene was in morning so her aiming for the centre is already at the edge due to refraction of atmosphere.

The kind of detail any TV scriptwriter worth their salt would discard to make for a tighter plot...

Yeah exactly.... one of many flaws in Mr. Liu Cixin in his triplet of the 3 body problem books...

in this fiction, she figured out using the Sun as the amplifier...

you think there were tons of Satellites listening for alien broadcasts in the 1960s? No

​@@thefalconflameand it could've been figured out by anyone who stumbled upon Ye's research paper as well.

No. Men would have acted rationally.

Ah, singer's business card

WE GETTING COMPRESSED INTO THE 2ND DIMENSION WITH THIS ONE!!!!! 🗣🗣🗣

The "history" is semi fictional

still an interesting fact @@yoyoniggsniggs6487

It was a top secret Chinese military project where communication with a foreign entity is a critical objective. Given that computers displaying Chinese were invented just a few years later, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to have these specialized, state-of-the-art computers at Red Coast.

Well, at least that's the case for publicly known information. Military is in some ways always ahead of the curve compared to commerically available tech. So I think there's room for creativity when it comes to a secret military facility

We see that initially the message she receives is a bunch of numbers. Then at 3:08 we see she’s referring to a book which converts 4 decimal numbers into Chinese characters. In a sense she’s communicating in 1’s and 0’s and not directly with character

Nah, humanity betrayed her first

id betry humanity to

best comment on the video

Nope. Ye doomed humanity. I read the book series. The Trisolarians don't kill off earth. Another set of Aliens find out about the Trisolarian location, blow apart their sun, defeat a secondary Trisolarian fleet in an evacuation, then they destroy our solar system by reducing it down to two dimensions.

@@Easy-Eight That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that even before the crisis, humanity had the widespread belief that if an alien civilization was advanced technologically, it definitely had a superior moral compass. This mindset wasn’t likely to change as the years went on, but then the Trisolar crisis happened and humanity had to contend with the idea that being superior technologically didn’t mean being superior morally.

You'd like the books

@@necosupr I did, actually. I read all of them, finished Death's End last summer.

@@opasailor I'm reading Death's end rn, half way done, it's awesome. The whole cold war part was awesome as hell.

The novels also make it clearer that she was kind of a sociopath/psychopath

@@chrisgaming9567 YES, She is a paranoid idealist, probably inherited from her father (her father would not give in even when he was beaten by the red guards, even if it was beneficial to him. In the end, he was beaten to death because of his paranoia to the science) But her act of pushing the button wasn’t just an unthinking act just for revenge.

It's the Internet, not an English assignment

why did you redeem it? did i tell you to redeem?

There's only three books in the series (plus one spin-off which some don't consider canon). I imagine there'll be no more than 2 extra seasons if they intend to do one book per season.

We already in a planet with a somewhat stable environment and there are people who already have plans on terraforming other planets and traveling the cosmos. I assume something similar would occur in a planet with a consistent chaotic orbit

Instability

I think they did. The aliens in the ship are just a fraction of the population. That's how they survived.

Planet would eventually collide with a sun and be destroyed

Stable, habitable worlds are like rare, gleaming gems. When one is close by and it could mean the life or death of your civilization, it isn’t just tempting but necessary.

The Tencent version did this scene much better than Netflix.