Historical Total War fans need a support group...

So this is how historical TW dies...with thunderous applause.

I can hear it already. The agony cries of Medieval fans.

Every single Total War Fan: WE WANT MIDEVIL 3! Creative Assembly: "Best we can do is WW1"

Fans: "We want new historical titles!!" CA: "Got it!! Milk every fantasy/science fiction franchise possible"

I'm so sick of everything that isn't a TRUE historical TW game. Even a remaster of Medieval 2 or Empire would hold me over at this point.

Folks. I don’t think we may ever get a historical Total War title ever again. I’m starting to get REALLY pissed off now.

There won't be a SW Total War It's just a rumour from only ONE website

I don't care for Disney Star Wars at all

I'm confused on why people are acting like WW1 isn't by definition a historical total war

"YES, IT'S REAL" in this case meaning "unconfirmed rumours that almost certainly aren't real".

Someone at CA has clearly forgotten the tale of the fall of TellTale Games

3 Total War titles that should be in development are; Victorian Era Total War 30 Years War Total War 16th Century South East Asia Total War

Clickbait title so you get a thumbs down from me. What does "YES, IT'S REAL " in the title mean? Nothing has been officially announced and confirmed yet.

I give up with CA.

Honestly it anger me hearing the potential of Total War changing it's gameplay for these new fantasy titles (40k and SW). I prefer preserving the Total War gameplay as is.

Fans: we dont want wizards anymore Ca: how bout space wizards

They can’t make LOTR that would massively sell but they will do WH40k.

I do seriously worry that the Star Wars Total War will be based on Disn*y "canon"...

I have no faith in CA do do this properly!

CA choose the most "who ask ?" setting ever for their game :

It has been 15 years since Empire came out and I've been waiting for a sequel since then. This must be what purgatory is like.

they have gone fkin insane, this is now a speedrun on how to fk up the franchise

It seems unlikely to me given CA's state. 8 months after a $100 Million failure and many layoffs, I'm supposed to believe CA is developing 3 or 4 huge flagship products simultaneously? How many dev teams do they have? Did they open a portal to the warp for infinite resources? It would believable if they were only developing 40K and Star Wars. I think that Total War is going to abandon historical entirely. It's not making them money and they haven't had a success with historical since 2018 with 3K, which they proceeded to foul up during its DLC cycle. 40K, LOTR, Star Wars, etc. all these are easy winners that even CA can't mess up and promise years of DLC income, which is a logical step forward from TW Warhammer.

Oh yay, more Warhammer and futuristic/modern settings I have absolutely zero interest in playing...guess it's Manor Lords time, then

CA went to the dark side

Not excited about any of the futuristic TW games.. I'm a huge fan of starwars and I like the WH 40k lore BUT I think we finally deserve a good Historical TW game again! I thought they were working on Medieval 3? I'd honestly already be happy with a medieval 2 remastered game by now...

No one: Absolutely no one: CA: !Star wars total war!!

IF these rumors are true (and I don't think so) they draw a very sad future for historical TW =/

Medieval 3: Total War (1000-1400s) DLC's: 1. Age of Exploration(1400-1600) 2. Shogun lite + China DLC 3. India in depth DLC 4. Sub-Sahara Africa DLC 5. Early Medieval age

The fact that Total War is not developing is solely the fault of CA. They have a lot to grow in terms of mechanics, but they just make the same game with slightly different textures. They have not been able to bring the fleet to mind, to make it a significant part of the gameplay, so that players need to use it for a comfortable game and at the same time make naval battles interesting enough in themselves. They did not bring to mind the sieges, which still very vaguely resemble what actually happened, it is necessary to introduce a greater importance of various engineering structures in them, it is necessary to create a siege camp so that the besiegers do not stand in an open field, it is necessary to increase the importance of walls, which are now almost useless, it is necessary to remove pocket ladders, add moats, shafts, the need to overcome them and so on. Sieges can generally be made such a mini-game inside the game. The main troops are also not all right, there is no supply in the game and I can send my army from Crimea to Britain without having a single transshipment base along the way, which should not be the case. The hiring of armies itself could be radically reworked, because now in the game any army of any most barbaric state is in fact regular, although in fact various forms of militia fought mainly in the centuries before the 18th century, this could lead to a bunch of interesting situations when, for example, you can't fight for too long because your the troops will simply disperse, as they need to harvest crops, and much more. I don't even touch on the topic of domestic politics and economics, there is boundless space there, there would be a desire, but there is none. There is a desire to sell players a twenty-year-old game in a new wrapper. It's so frustrating to realize what huge opportunities CA is missing out on because of its greed.

It makes me sad that there won't be another Three Kingdoms. Its an interesting time period, and 3k had some of the best features I've seen in any total war game to date. The campaign map experience was unmatched(personally), except for the map design. The UI was exceptional and I really hope it can be used in more TW games. The UI made the game feel much more realistic, with resources like supplies, for cities and armies. The army system was super interesting, as it only makes sense that armies that have fought under a general would remain(somewhat) loyal to that general. Honestly I think that the Total War franchise suffers from new renewing the 3K game

Ok... Lets ser how good they are. Still waiting for some roman, medieval, napoleonic era strategy tho

Fuck sake. Back in the day Warhammer was supposed to be a big cash influx so they could expand and grow and then bomb out more epic scale historicals.

The total war formula is not compatible with the modern warfare of WWI, let alone star wars or 40k. Sure I would love a beautiful, high budget, strategy game for any of these properties. I just hope people get that a total war in a setting like these will have to be massively different from other total wars to make any sense. So different, it could practically be a different game. At that point we already have other games in these settings.

Just give me a big historical. If it’s WW1 perfect. Idc just domething

I actually have no clue how they gonna realize the WW1 total war because there shouldn't be any line firegroup tactic

I still pray we'll one day get another gunpowder era Total War

I appreciate you using Star Wars: Empire at War footage, if Total War did Space battles like that game I think it’d be amazing personally

Historical fans to CA: you don’t need to work on a Star Wars game, these aren’t the genre’s we’re looking for, you can go about your business making Medieval 3.

I have always wished for a total war set around the first world war. I do think it would need to start in the mid 1800s so when you get to ww1 and the rapid technological advances it gives a late stage challenge like real commanders went through Also agree that it would need naval warfare and I would argue needs aircraft as well

The only way a WWI Total War game can work is if it is not Total War or if it is not historical

WW1, WW2, LOTR, WHF and 40k are all I have ever wanted. I was so happy to get a WHF total war.

Please just be Dawn of War with a campaign map, please just be Dawn of War with a campaign map, please just be Dawn of War with a campaign map...

If they are actually doing this my question is will it be a fight over a single large planet with multiple factions? or will we be fighting over planets and if so are we getting space battles?

Considering how WWI was fought, I feel a WWI total war is the most realistic one CA could develop and release to satisfy the community. I mean it was massive infantry pushes and tank pushes n thanks to WHTW we have seen steam tanks, why not slap some A7V's or some Saint-Chamond tanks down. Empire and napoleon gave us a system for regiments taking cover behind barricades, in buildings, and on fort walls for the ranged units so applying that to a trench line would be easy. the trickiest part would be figuring out the WWI styled artillery which ranged from 37mm to 420mm. WWI would be the one I expect to be best received and easiest to make. 40k would be the second most likely one given total war warhammer's... "success?" perhaps persistent is a better term. 40k has a mix of tanks, melee units, and ranged units, siege units, monsters, but considering that some ships (especially in the Imperium) have guns on them bigger than a super star destroyer? I doubt there would be naval combat, it would most likely be locked to a single planet like the battle of Kronus featured once already in Dawn of war Dark Crusade meaning we would get chaos, space marines, imperial guard, tau, orks, necrons, and eldar to play around with. Star wars though? I haven't a clue how they would work that one into a total war styled game. Maybe planets will function like settlments and you would be able to build fleets and train armies from them? blockading a planet instead of besieging it and landing an army to invade and take said planet? That would work for making a truely massive Starwars total war aswell as a 40k total war. I see em releasing 40k total war first, as warhammer is ca's thing at the moment, then starwars, cause fantasy has been ca's thing for awhile, and finally WWI. Ideally I'd say they should release WWI total war first, then starwars, and finally warhammer.

2:16 - I agree. But then what is the point of total war if it’s not about having g massive armies clash on the field?

I can officially confirm that Star Wars total war might be in development

So this is the final nail in historical total war coffin 😢

Y'know what, provided they do this well, I think success of this will fuel a better historical series of games. Keep in mind, these new games will ALL have a brand new engine, which now allows us to play in 3 dimensions. Even if it's bad at launch, that alone is more than gonna fuel a new line of incredible mods.

My main question is how would space age fighter jets and laser planes work in the Total War battle engine? Also, what would city or settlement management be like? Click on floating settlements in space?

Oh I hope not. CA need to invest in and improve the fundamental TW model; not just farm another IP

sadly i have no faith in CA's ability to provide a good game anymore especially when they try to "Innovate"

Wait a minute today isn't 1st April 😂

Also I feel very strongly the project that "died in its infancy" was Empire 2. The naval combat and mechanics would have been an easy thing to shift to the next total war.

My concern is a drop in quality if they are going to rush games out one after the other a year apart. It took them 5 years after release to finish WH2, we are in the 3rd year after WH3 came out with lots of work to still go and more work being done on Pharaoh, are they going to have enough experienced staff to go around to ensure quality across the board once all these new projects are released.

i wanted a global victorian age total war that went into more area depth with the world open similar to empire total war

I am hyped for the TW Pharaoh map expansion. I before Pharaoh was announced I was hoping for a map painter Bronze Age game, so I was extremely happy when they announced and more so now with this big map update. I am also extremely excited about TW Star Wars and do hope they will have a Clone Wars, Galactic Civil War, and Sequel Start Date Campaigns for it.

What I wonder is how they are going to make the games with the current engine. Unless they announce that they are going or have already created a new engine for their future games, I find it very difficult. The current engine can barely handle Warhammer games, try to do space combat with capital ships, fighters and other things, the engine would explode.

This is NOT what we meant when we said we wanted the Empire back 😭😭😭

It seems Manorlords freaked them out…

Are you freaking kidding me? No Med 3 or Empire 2. It's like they are trying to piss fans off on purpose.

For more recent players trying to understand older ones comments about recent historical games being "not historical" (I'm somewhat in the middle): it's not specifically about the historical accuracy itself but about their old formula: - armies not requiring commander to be able to move and fight - units without hp with kill chance calculated depending on different factors - sieges that actually work and are intense with defense structures being meaningful - technologies actually unlocking new units and buildings - unit formations - deeper strategy systems like proper population, growth Etc. CA made a lot of small changes with each new game that combined into Total War formula drifting further and further from what attracted original fans of the series My personal take is that I'm annoyed that whenever CA design a system that actually works and is something worth developing they immiedieatly abandon it in the next game instead of improving

I still don't know how these settings would work in a Total War style rts. Total wars whole thing is fighting in line formations, and WW1 is literally the reason militaries stopped using line formations lmao so I don't know how they're gonna make that work with changing the gameplay drastically

I'd be surprised if they totally packed it in on TW:WW1 if that's truly what they were developing. Completely cancelling it a year before release would leave a massive revenue gap, even more than a year delay. Also if their other two line up games are both fantasy, this potentially leaves a 3 year historical gap. If the last update was nearly 6 months ago, that's a long time to cram development into

Damn, three entire games to skip! What a treat.

There is no need for Rome 3 when we haven’t even got Empire 2.

I get why people don´t want those things and basically demand return to more detailed and realistic historical games (I wish that too), but probably the biggest problem of their new games is repeating same format again and again while adding few features and taking out more. They can´t do that in those games and it might finally force them to innovate.

Excellent choice for the background music. Empire and shogun 2 epic musical scores. Now I’m going to form that support group for the ignored historical genre. I’m getting too old to continue waiting for an empire 2.

If nothing changes in the studio I dont think they can make it

oh god fuck no!

as a historical total war supporter i am both hyped for a ww1 game and hyped for a star wars game but scared for warhammer 40k

Personally I'm wondering about a few things; How much a Warhammer 40K Total War will differ itself from the Dawn of War series (or whether that's old enough that we need not worry)? What trilogies will feature in a Star Wars Total War and how you'd transition between them (perhaps an event causes the Republic, then later Empire, to fall and your clan then chooses loyalties between the successors)? How will a World War One Total War deal with the Firepower Revolution and the shift in urban combat from Wall and Street Fighting to Barricade and House to House fighting? As the big block units of previous Total War games would be shredded by machine guns more than they were against the Gatling Guns in Fall of the Samurai as rapid fire weapons are more ubiquitous by 1914 and even rifle infantry have a far faster rate of fire than previous eras with British Rifle Infantry in 1914 being trained to fire 15 aimed shots a minute as a base line (with some being able to manage up to 42 in the Mad Minute competitions) not to mention the range of artillery in the first world war and the increased size of the battlefield compared to previous conflicts.

In 2027 would be the 50th Anniversary of the first Star Wars Movie. So I can see major Star Media coming out that year.

I have to say, i've been wanting a ww1 total war game, as much as a victorian total war game, i hope it's somewhat like medieval 2, which is in my eyes, the best historical title yet.

If Stormtroopers don't have really poor aims it won't be true Star Wars!

I think the biggest concern I have is the attitude that CA has had. The biggest of which being the statement regarding the potential lifetime of the Star Wars TW has to “attract a large audience pool and have a long DLC plan” it just screams that it will be a shell of a game filled with of issues that you have to spend hundreds of dollars in dlc just to make it a playable experience

1 positive for those of us wanting Empire 2 is that these could help with improving shooting based warfare….

While I love Star Wars, I struggle to see how it will work in a Total War game. Total War has always been formation based, and even with the addition of heroes and monsters in recent games I can't see them holding up a Total War game on its own. Star Wars just does not have formation warfare (unless you're battle droids I guess). I can see how a loose formation system that heavily utilises cover mechanics could work for WWI or 40k, but even they don't seem fit for a Total War game.

I understand they want a hero inspired play style, but experience soldiers are heroes too, just not invincible lol

If we get WW1 as a historical title I'll be the happiest man alive

Total War battles are based around formations fighting each other as one unit. The invention of the machine gun necessitated the breakup of those formations otherwise you'd have an absolute blood bath on your hands. Soldiers in the First World War and especially WW2 and beyond are not going to pack together in groups of 100-200 and shoot at each other like men did in the 18th century. Land Battles in WW1 and certainly in 40k also absolutely dwarf nearly anything from the Ancient and Medieval eras. Maybe they can make it work but I think the battle mechanics will have to be totally reworked.

40K and ww1 total war is very interesting, i think starwars makes no sense for the total war we already know, but we would need to see how the new entries work.

Honestly I’m thinking a combination of men of war assault squad total war, as in the strategic maps may not change but the battles may be of more detail like those in men of war where you take control of larger formations and have the options to call in re enforcements from your larger army stack that you engaged the enemy with. If you can picture what I’m saying

If they wanted a ww1 total war to be fully accurate theyd need some form of entrenching mehcanic, or just keep it at mobile warfare

I'm a huge historical TW fan, but I have to admit, I'm curious and interested, as all of this might bring some fresh air to the formula and it might offer a different kind of experience which could be fun.

I dont know how to feel about the Star Wars one. I dont think Creative Assembly will properly overhaul the battle and battlemap system for this game. I am still interested to see where this goes. Maybe I will be wrong, I hope.

At this stage the ONLY people who can get me back into Star Sars would be Creative Assmebly. If they handle the franchise the way they handled Wrahammer I would more than welcome it.

CA has become a living example of why it is absolutely necessary to gatekeep your hobbies.

How convenient that historical titles face massive difficulties in development, but Warhammer has smooth sailing.

Without a new engine it will still be the same crap with a new skin. Same campaign and battle AI, same sieges, same movement for units, same rock-paper-scissor principle and so on.

Empire 2? Medieval 3?

Due to recent issues with the past three historical total war games, if they make a WWI Total War, it needs to be done correctly. Nothing that will make it fantasy adjacent, or between history and fantasy; aside from having control of one nation and being able to change history as all other Total War titles have allowed. If they have to innovate and change a few mechanics to do it correctly, I am all for it. CA seems to have been rather stagnant in their creative process for some time now. The engine should be able to support both line battles as well as modern warfare (an opinion).

All I could think of for some reason was CA downloading some mods and releasing them as full games, thats what the titles sound like.. 😅

So... instead of developing what most if not the whole community has been asking for, which is Medieval 3, they shift to sci-fi... bold move and perhaps a dangerous one. Star Wars involves mainly ground ranged fights with some vehicles but also space fights. Do one without the other and they'll be setting themselves up for failure from the get go. Also, I'll be curious about what they'll do to make ground fights interesting; I can see the "heroes" system being put in play with jedi/sith and bounty hunters/Clone, droid and etc captains but the ground fights will be awkward if all you see is squads advancing to each other while firing away, after all they'll have to stop at some point. This begs the question: rich environments that create a cover system perhaps? Also... whatever they decide to put out... a new engine is needed without a doubt... and they better hope the game is good because it will make them or break them, because the last releases.... ouch..

My worry about the World War I total war is that it’ll just become a game of numbers. in previous games you could be out numbered 3 to 1 but as long as you were smart about it and you some clever maneuvers to outflank your opponents you could win most battles. World War I however, I can’t really picture how that would work the technologies just to advance. I just hope that these next few titles aren’t as cartoony as the last few ones.

Thank you so much for this video I got my total war info fix.

So Creative Assembly recently laid off a bunch of people, yet rumors suggest they are developing three ongoing games while supporting Warhammer 3 for another two years and making an expansion for Pharaoh? Really? And you also think 40K and Star Wars will run concurrently too? I think people need to be a bit more discerning. About that leaker saying it was futuristic: "Futuristic" doesn't mean Star Wars. How did you conclude that this would make the probability "high"? I can think of 100 futuristic settings that are NOT Star Wars. In fact, I would say it's likely not Star Wars because if someone actually saw it and weren't lying, they would just come out and say Star Wars since the environments, themes, and style would be super recognizable. With Warhammer 3 and Pharaoh still getting updates, I would say there is, at most, one game in preproduction or production right now. It's probably not Star Wars, because any leaker who saw it would just come out and say, "I saw this ship, I saw this iconic texture, I saw a lightsaber, I saw this droid, I saw this race, whatever." So it's probably 40K or something else. I don't believe the WW1 game was ever in development. Considering Hyenas was in active development in 2023, we can safely assume no Total War game was being made there. That leaves just one studio left to work on a hypothetical three games since we know what the other two studios were doing. Good luck explaining how Newcastle is making three games. We know Shanghai is only supporting as well, so they are not making anything.

The Star Wars brand is so damaged now that it doesn't have anything like the gravitas it would need to make this work.

I am a huge Star Wars Fan, but also long for the next historical entry, preferably Medieval 3. Therefore I am both happy and disappointed at the same time.