YF-23 Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF)

YF-23 Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) - Paul Metz (Part 1)

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10PCT #27: Paul Metz, Part 1.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:20 F-105 Instructor Pilot
00:04:20 Test Pilot School
00:07:54 Test Pilot School Challenges
00:08:52 Teamwork
00:11:41 Unknowns
00:14:41 F-105 Ejection
00:20:37 AN-2 Testing
00:21:20 Career Ambitions
00:22:22 Up or Out
00:27:38 Teaching at Pax River
00:31:21 70+ Different Types
00:39:42 Cycle Time of Knowledge
00:42:21 F-35 Thoughts
00:48:13 Joining Northrop
00:49:46 F-20 Tigershark
00:55:06 The Advanced Tactical Fighter
01:11:43 Lockheed's Win
01:19:19 High Angle of Attack Stability
01:22:41 Avionics
01:33:42 Thrust Vectoring
01:35:40 BFM or BVR?

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@Max-dk5vz Жыл бұрын

The answer to Pierre Spray was fantastic and perfect. Metz simply ignored his whinings and asked : WTH is your proposition ? What should be built instead of F-35 ? Metz is over qualified to talk about F-35, he is an extremely experienced pilot. He tested 5th gen fighter designs. But he didn't comment because he felt his information about F-35 is not updated. How can you take someone like Spray seriously when he said: " WE FIGHTER MAFIA DESIGNED F-16 and A-10 " " F-16 upgraded with junks'' " F-15 is a big jet with a big radar and filled with junks" " Stealth design is a fraud and hoax."

@Thomas_Abel_Anderson 27 күн бұрын

I think the core of the criticism was that the F-35 was specified to be a do-everything-plane. So, instead of having three separate programs for three obviously different fighter planes, they wanted one program. Well, they noticed they needed variants of the plane, but still they wanted them be quite much the same design. Specifying three different fighter planes would have been more traditional way. Initially it would have looked like the more expensive option, but perhaps many difficulties could have been avoided that way. So, what should have been made instead of F-35? Perhaps three really different fighter planes. That was my guess. We cannot ask Mr. Sprey because he deceased.

@LRRPFco52 2 жыл бұрын

The YF-23 has got to be the most sexy fighter design I've ever witnessed just from an aerodynamic standpoint. It was radical, elegant, and alluring all at the same time.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there’s something about it…

@LRRPFco52 2 жыл бұрын

@@10percenttrue Would have made an interesting Pacific theater Omnirole Fighter.

@bazej1080 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I appreciate how objective, unbiased and intelligent he is. You can tell immediately he's more than just a common pilot, with his understanding of the bigger picture.

@irongron Жыл бұрын

Indeed these "old hands" are great to listen to. I am very interested in the Vietnam Air war and veterans of this campaign are getting on in years, it's important to get their stories on the record by someone llke Steve who runs a top shelf channel, unlike a certain F-14 RIO!. I'll be going into the back catalogue to listen to Mr Metz's Southeast Asia episode after this one.

@stuartb9194 2 жыл бұрын

I walked round the YF23 at Hawthorne here in CA, just a stunning piece of kit. Great interview, nice to and from between you both, thanks

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool! Would love to see one in person. Glad you liked the conversation.

@dennychaput4689 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir for your service to Air Force from one to another Airmen. I remember the FB 101 at the ATC base by the name of Sheppard AFB !! God Bless you Sir, I have followed the the arcs of people like Burt Rutan Tom petite and I have always loved flight since building a squadron on 2 channel slope gliders like Wanderer , Gentle Lady and worked out a few 100” birds, Bridi Kits “big birdy” was the favorite. I was a rotor head afc 43130 fullly artuculated Jolly and super golly green heavy lift rescue helicopters. I was amazed to learn of their age!! 2were 1967 1969 were two of the three birds we had at the now defunct Myrtle Beach AFB . Love your story, very encouraging.

@geebee802 2 жыл бұрын

You're Back! So glad to see 10 Percent True return as I just stumbled onto the channel and binge-watched every show shortly before your pre-holiday break! Heck of an episode to start the year off with, Thank you!

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! And thanks for the kind comments!

@FW190D9 10 ай бұрын

You’re one of the best interviewers I’ve heard !! Thanks for doing it

@FlyNAA 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really relishing this one as it's dear to me for a reason you guys might find silly, but the F-23 (no Y!) was the main plane in my first flight sim (Jetfighter II) 30 years ago, and what's set the main course of my life ever since.

@ronjon7942 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been digesting test pilot bios very seriously lately, deep diving the early Edwards testing. I really enjoyed listening to Paul Metz describe his experiences.

@JoesFirewoodVideos Жыл бұрын

Liked 👍🏻. Commented. Watched entire video

@10percenttrue Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@stevendegiorgio3143 Жыл бұрын

Paul didn't mention this but the engineers were projecting out to 2005 computer technology back in 1996 for the YF-23.That impressed me a lot.That plane is still 30 years ahead of its time.

@29lives96 9 ай бұрын

Best questions of all 10%. Well done!

@cartesianoven2690 Жыл бұрын

Its amazing to see so much content just after YF-23, I am so happy to have found this

@lyrakeltica 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. Parts of it was really scary. Thank you for your service sir. Have a great day. GOD bless you ❤

@trainzrailoperations2670 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your content, I have been a military aviation buff sine I was 5 yo I'm now over 60, the in depth insights your guests offer is superb, please just keep it going, you channel is gonna takeoff one day an explode. Your content is pure quality!!

@CoolHandLukeM3 2 жыл бұрын

I been patently waiting for a new episode! Brazo Zulu!

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Hope it was worth the wait!

@CoolHandLukeM3 2 жыл бұрын

It most definitely was! Cheers 🍻!

@ngfan7476 2 жыл бұрын

Great start into 2022 with Paul Metz, Steve! Looking forward to part 2 and to other great interviews this year.

@TitusFFM 2 жыл бұрын

Happy New year to and yes your back best after Christmas gift ever thank you.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, BW! My Christmas gifts are normally the subject of derision, so glad I got this one right :) Happy New Year to you.

@TitusFFM 2 жыл бұрын

@@10percenttrue I wrote this already under a different interview between you and a pilot. From all the different people that have a podcast about aircraft you have the best one. It's realistic the people are telling their story's with all the good, the bad and the ugly stuff. No political correctness, no we have to be careful not to piss off the department of defense or i can't talk about this or that. Best example of this fighter pilot podcast. That's why I love this channel. Best wishes to you and one more time thank you for your time and effort to make those awesome interviews.

@ilvaporizzatore 2 жыл бұрын

Man, your channel rocks.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Such a kind comment. Thank you!

@KernowekTim 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see and hear from you again! Happy New Year! Yet another superb interview. I am so fortunate to have found this channel. It is absolutely fascinating. These former test pilots are to be respected for everything that they did whilst setting their lives on the line, testing un-known machines that took so very many fine pilots from us before their time .

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Tim :) Glad you found us and have decided to stick around.

@-theflea-4561 2 жыл бұрын

Great interview again, with another great pilot! Glad to see you back!

@0MoTheG 2 жыл бұрын

0:40 No military equipment will ever be "done". There will always be the next block and need for new features.

@hangarrat101 2 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year! Fantastic to see you back, can’t wait to see what the year brings

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Same to you! Thank you!

@eicjc 2 жыл бұрын

Back in business and back with a bang! Been really looking forward to this one. Thanks as always Steve.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, Jim. Your continued support and friendship is truly appreciated.

@forthwithtx5852 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic interview! Looking forward to part 2.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I am also looking forward to chatting with Paul again.

@vevenaneathna Жыл бұрын

youtube essentially auto downvotes channels that are not monetized in search results. liked and commented to try and even that out. cant believe i havent herd of you until now. thanks for uploading

@10percenttrue Жыл бұрын

I did not know that. Thanks very much.

@ronjon7942 Жыл бұрын

This is my first episode on this channel - really engaging! It doesn’t hurt it’s Paul Metz, but still, nice work. Great question regarding digital flight controls and skill atrophy. I actually wanted to ask Metz this in regards to the 23 since he was so instrumental in teachimg the 23 how to fly.

@ThndrChimp 2 жыл бұрын

Ended on a cliff hanger! Can’t wait for pt 2

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Should be out within a couple of weeks :) Am looking forward to hearing what Paul thought about the F-22...

@chrisjones2149 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for another great video 👍

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, Chris. Thank you for commenting.

@ka-bot15achannelaboutaviat53 2 жыл бұрын

I watched this video with great interest. Thank you.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@YT-mn4eq 2 жыл бұрын

I like to listen to your podcasts while playing DCS

@PranayCenation101 Жыл бұрын

Great interview, I'm building the HB 1:48 kit....this is great reference about the machine!

@10percenttrue Жыл бұрын

Good kit?

@viksaini 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for bringing up the ROE in terms of dogfighting. Excellent interview. Thanks for posting!

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@magoid Жыл бұрын

I had to disagree with Paul Metz on that one. The recent shot down of a Su-22 in Syria by a F-18, was a good reminder that not all combat will be at long ranges. Also one of the missiles fired failed. And to finish it, now we have drones in combat zones. Some of them cost less than the missile used to shoot him down, so cannons had to be a consideration on these situations.

@ricardokowalski1579 Жыл бұрын

Solid content

@0612Devil 2 жыл бұрын

Long time! Welcome back.

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@PrimaryArmsOptics 2 жыл бұрын

sounds like the YF23 was far superior

@j.m.4444 Жыл бұрын

Excellent content!

@10percenttrue Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@singlesprocket 2 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year gentleman. Thanks for a ‘braggadocious’ insightful and intelligent aircrew interview. [P.S Any news on merchandise so I can support the channel? For instance, I’d buy a white t-shirt with your embroidered logo on the top right 😉]

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, SS! Still looking into merch. Not sure how affordable or realistic it is, especially as 50% of my audience in the US but I am in the UK - postage costs could be prohibitive.

@terrancemccaffrey4509 2 жыл бұрын

Happy to see you back for 2022 and this was a great start. Loved hearing the backstory of the test side of 2 great jets that didn’t make it. I think the F-20 should have made it. For the YF-23, I wonder how much really was salesmanship? Thanks for continuing to bring the best out of your interviews Steve!

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Marco! Wonderful to hear your feedback and to know that you're still listening in! I am recording part 2 with Paul this week, so perhaps we'll dig a bit deeper and see what comes out of that conversation? :)

@LRRPFco52 2 жыл бұрын

F-5G/F-20A had short legs and almost no payload. Certain weapons barely cleared the ground on take off and landing in clear weather. Would make a superb flight demo team fighter though.

@LRRPFco52 2 жыл бұрын

Paul Metz is the one who said they cracked at least 2 wind screens on the YF-23s, and the boundary layer diverters restricted its max V0. There were several major things on YF-23 that needed to be solved that weren't, and the flight control surfaces were doubled up with actuators laid on their sides to keep the wings free of any bulbous protuberances that would contribute to RCS. That added complexity and cost. Then there was the lack of weapons carriage and separation demonstration. The proposed F-23A design had an added weapons bay ahead of the main bay, which increased the fineness ratio and would likely have reduced maximum load factors for pitch, roll, and yaw. I think the biggest advantage of the Northrop design was combat radius, persistence, and range. Raptor had the advantage of payload, maneuverability, working boundary layer management, and demonstrated/validated weapons carriage and separation. I still think the Grey Ghost would have been great for Pacific Theater and as an Omnirole Air Dominance/Deep Interdiction Strike Fighter.

@mikeyz1080 Жыл бұрын

@@LRRPFco52 I know it's some months later but the air force now looking for the next 23 not 22 all about stealth and range in gen6 proposals or demonstrations they are somewhere in there now

@gregm592 Жыл бұрын

Awesome vodeo

@WizzRacing 5 күн бұрын

The Soviets didn't think the Physic paper was worth the trouble. As the number to achieve radar deflection was so big. You would need to spend 20 years for each angle the aircraft would see. It would make Maxwell have a migraine. The mathematical numbers was that big..

@Kerryclement 2 жыл бұрын

nice

@bcthomas2h90 2 жыл бұрын

Great interview with an impressively superb test pilot who combines knowledge and experience with the ability to express complicated concepts and aircraft design requirements with understandable clarity and precision. I learned a lot. Thanks!

@10percenttrue 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful feedback, BC. Thank you.

@liocla2331 2 жыл бұрын

wooooo hooooo

@yomommaahotoo264 Ай бұрын

Yes, but could the YF-23 take down a spy balloon?

@tedzehnder961 3 ай бұрын

Metz went to OSU, I wonder if he was an Ohio boy?He sounds like it.

@ombre1948 8 ай бұрын

Any relationship to Ed. Bell Aircraft?

@alanharrison865 8 ай бұрын

Why didn't our government build this most beautiful isionary design? The f22 crashed didn't it?

@Militavia 2 жыл бұрын

The Ho 229 never would be stealth. Using not metallic materials was not a innovation it was a necessity because of the war and lack of available materials. Nobody EVER cared about the radar cross section of the plane. Even if EVER would be built a single one of them with ANY engine it would create quite a large RCS for the plane. I can say the same again. :( I could ask so many questions.... ... but from most of the interview I can recall only this error and the quite misleading explanation about that "outdated" planes are produced because of the Moore's law. Yes computing power is important but not so hard. No matter how strong the computer on an F-22 or any other plane what is matte for ex in BVR the lofting capability = flight performance and stealth. None of them are affected by the computing power... Yes it is better to have more power but military aviation does not need Raytracing... Yes, the avionics has to be updated especially in long term many suppliers simply disappear but ALONE the computing power is not so important. I would ask about the Vietnam SEAD, especially about the AGM-78 or F-20.

@jj4791 Жыл бұрын

Computing power goes directly into CFD and RCS inverse-design. Especially when you have programs that factor both RCS and Compressible Aerodynamics and Separated High AoA Flow into one optimization scheme. Running 64 cores for six hours barely gets you the CFD result for a single degree angle of attack beyond stall. And you might want to see 60. Or 120 points. Computing power also means sensors get smaller including radars. This changes weight and balance and all the detail designs of each feature on every major component.