YF-23 Black Widow II vs F-22 Raptor: BVR Missile Battle & Dogfight

YF-23 Black Widow II vs F-22 Raptor: BVR Missile Battle & Dogfight | DCS

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We use DCS to simulate a missile battle between the two ATF contenders; the YF-23 Black Widow and the F-22 Raptor, both firing AIM-260 JATM. Which would have been best?
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0:00 Aircraft/Scenario Details
2:42 Predictions
3:37 1 x AI vs 1 x AI
7:12 4 x AI vs 4 x AI
11:14 Human vs Human (Raptor)
22:33 Human vs Human (Black Widow)
29:56 Human vs Human (Raptor)
33:17 Human vs Human (Black Widow)
40:42 Human vs Human (Raptor)
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@vipondiu Жыл бұрын

Even 30+ years later, my favorite "what-if" plane of all time still looks like being designed by reverse engineering an alien spacefighter

@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын

@@valuedhumanoid6574 Or that's obvious nonsense. The F-117 is an awesome plane but also hugely limited by the stealth technology of its time, hence why later stealth aircraft look nothing like it. If Lockheed had access to alien tech they'd have done a far better job in the first place.

@daveaglasgow Жыл бұрын

@@valuedhumanoid6574 how much money has this guy made from telling such stories? 😂😂😂

@dogfaceponysoldier Жыл бұрын

@trolleriffic they're still flying them. Believe it or not they're still the absolute stealthiest thing flying. They use them to test radars and for adversary against the Raptor and F-35

@colin5577 Жыл бұрын

100%. The F22 has grown on me and I think it looks great, but the YF23 really does look like something from the 23rd century. It’s stunning.

@3ndt1m3s Жыл бұрын

A TR3_B?

@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын

How very Grim Reapers: Equips duelling planes with missiles that can hit a target 135 miles away. Mounts them on planes that can't see each other until they are less then 15 miles away.

@Aaron-zu3xn 6 ай бұрын

at this distance the f-16 smokes everything lol the only way other planes survive is by hitting before they're within range,especially the f-16 viper of project venom it can pull maneuvers autonomously that would kill a human pilot

@jaffacalling53 Жыл бұрын

I've always heard that the YF-23 was stealthier than the Raptor.

@Evocati-Augusti Жыл бұрын

This was a case of how politics kill R&D...it was better

@Ralarconable Жыл бұрын

You took the words right outta my mouth

@joeclaridy Жыл бұрын

@@Evocati-Augustithank you then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney

@Ralarconable Жыл бұрын

@Evocati Augusti (PLVS VLTRA) actually, what made up the air force's mind was the fact that Lockheed's prototype was a much more proper and reliable aircraft, while the 23 had the feeling of something more like a technology demonstrator with crappy landing gear and such. They were worried about going with Northrop and dealing with major growing pains and project delays. The 23 was both very outside the box, but also more true to what the AF ordered. Lockheed went out of their way to provide super maneuverability (not req'd in the specs) because they knew their clientele much better than Northrop and that they would go nuts for the thrust vectoring. Northrop was punished for thinking like engineers and scientists, while Lockheed was rewarded for thinking like businessmen.

@Evocati-Augusti Жыл бұрын

@@joeclaridy omg I was just going to say how he gave out contracts to companies he held stock in, no-bid contracts ...mind reading freak lol

@jimreynolds2837 Жыл бұрын

Taking away the Raptors thrust vectoring is like taking away control surfaces of the YF 23

@benrichey2593 Жыл бұрын

In stealth v stealth, it appears the winner is… the ground

@BBP081 Жыл бұрын

My impression from this is that it really comes down to skill and luck with planes this close in capabilities

@willwozniak2826 Жыл бұрын

And a good Pilot..

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

First guy to spot the enemy tends to win.

@yahnump Жыл бұрын

Yeah Dex, I was going to comment that it seemed both mods were pretty equal. Looks as if it came down to pilot skill + a little luck in spotting the other first.

@VimyScout Жыл бұрын

F-22 went straight in to balloon hunt mode.

@Coldheartedmanong Жыл бұрын

Hell yea! I’ve been waiting for the YF - 23 in Dcs!!

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

I thought The Grinnelli F-22 Raptor was Thrust Vectoring??? Btw Cap Two YF-23's were built (not a concept I believe demonstrators), first was Gray Ghost, and The Second was The Black Widow II ;)

@Wolfe351 Жыл бұрын

Grennelli has a version with thrust vectoring but has not publicly released it. Growling Sidewinder did a 1v1 with it to demo it a whiles back.

@jamesfletcher9032 Жыл бұрын

That shot by simba 25.50 was amazing.

@nathaniellazo5912 Жыл бұрын

This will be a very interesting match and test of concept. Honestly I feel like if the budget wasn't an issue we could have had both the F-22 and F-23 in service with one eventually becoming the main craft. The YF-22 and YF-23 had their strengths, like much better maneuverability, slightly lower costs vs slightly better range, speed, and stealth, Raptor was the better plane and better for filled the goals for the ATF, but Black Widow was very much missed... probably would have been a better interceptor due to it losing the maneuverability battle to Raptor (all though still better than everything else) it was slightly faster, could fly slightly further, and was slightly more stealthy (smaller than the Raptor's marble/bumblebee sized RCS). YF-23, or the production F-23 makes sense as a extremely high performance fighter interceptor, where F-22 would be a extremely high performance air superiority fighter, complementing each other. Just my thoughts...

@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the age of interceptor is over, but in this case the F-23 is already an exceptional superiority fighter. Also, I don't really think there was all that much difference in capabilities between the aircraft. Sure, the F-22 was a little more maneuverable, but the F-23 was also exceptionally nippy, too. Yes, the F-23 had a smaller RCS, but when both are so small that an enemy has to get within 15 miles just to lock, it doesn't really matter anyway.

@nathaniellazo5912 Жыл бұрын

@@totalnerd5674 Yah, I agree that the interceptor age is long been over, but I mean it would fill a interceptor role better, due to it having the slight advantages in speed/range. Yah, both are Amazing fighters, but Raptor would have the advantage up close, and is the better overall dog fighter, but even the slight delay-detection advantage could make a difference in stealth on stealth action, anything else, then yah, I agree it makes no difference at all being something like 0.002 vs 0.001.

@Power5 Жыл бұрын

Should go watch the video of Paul Metz talking about both planes. He flew the YF-23 as test pilot for Northrup, then was hired by Lockheed to fly the F-22 during development. He says that the YF-23 did not need thrust vectoring due to the absolutely massive tailerons. Both aircraft could sustain 60 degrees AoA. The YF-23 tailerons were basically the main wings of the F5 or F18 and able to deflect 40 degrees. Thrust vectoring does come into play when aerodynamic flight envelopes are no longer being used and thrust vectoring is all that can affect the aircraft. The entire engine of the YF-23 including burners were enclosed inside the fuselage of the jet significantly reducing heat signature. YF-23 was superior in just about every way. F-22 won by his reasoning because lockheed was the better salesman. Northrup was all engineering focused. Lockheed made sure to fire a missile and get photos of the plane flying at 60 degrees AoA. Many of the people choosing the winner have no engineering background, so the pretty pictures and videos of the F-22 doing fighter jet stuff and never before seen maneuvering sealed the deal. Northrup put all that stuff in their engineering brief, lockheed showed that stuff.

@mikek9297 Жыл бұрын

I wish the ATF program would recognise what they had with BlackWidow. Raptor is a great plane and it deserves itt's wings but Widow should have been developed further. Maybe the Navy could pick it up as long range interceptor to replace the Tomcat... unfortunately it did not happen and all that potential was wasted.

@Power5 Жыл бұрын

Northrup claims 1.5 billion or so in development costs. That is insane, and probably inflated a bit.

@TheAmbex Жыл бұрын

I've been told the F22 was chosen because they didn't want Northrop to split effort between YF23 and the B2.

@Gyyghhhhjjjkk Жыл бұрын

Nope not at all. It was because Northrop was simply notorious for being bad at marketing and handling large projects and Lockheed was known to carry out and handling well in larger projects. Also f22 was more conventional and its weapons bay actually worked in test flight and yf 23 had extreme issues when firing its missile.

@DrsharpRothstein Жыл бұрын

Many years after the ATF program selection, it has been leaked that it was in the best interests of the United States for Lockheed to be awarded the production contract. With the end of the Cold War and declining defense budgets, it was impossible to keep all the contractors in business. (All the contractors are now owned by two companies). So, awarding the ATF contract to Lockheed would keep them in the defense airframe business. If Northrop was awarded the ATF, America would only have one company building military jets. The judging for the ATF contract made it impossible to claim 'one of the aircraft' better than the other. (Not necessarily a bad way to award the contract, especially at that time.) So the awarding criteria could be based on something other than aircraft performance.

@Gyyghhhhjjjkk Жыл бұрын

@@DrsharpRothstein no it wasn’t the case. It was because Northrop was a horrible marketer when it comes to demonstration and US simply had more trust in Lockheed producing the plane since they handled previous projects extremely well. Also its the fact that the weapons bay of f22 was more capable in preserving stealth

@trumptookthevaccine1679 Жыл бұрын

@@DrsharpRothstein all the contractors are owned by two Companies?

@-BSMTS Жыл бұрын

@@Gyyghhhhjjjkk what? Where did you learn that about the weapons bay? The weapons bay was perfectly fine when it came to carrying and stuff, it's just they simply chose not to fire anything, or put anything in the bay when flying

@AJG81 Жыл бұрын

Damn that Widow looks menacing, great flying as always, shame thrust vectoring isn't mapped yet, I'd imagine that would add a whole new dimension to the fight.

@hughmungus2760 Жыл бұрын

Does AI even know how to use thrust vectoring?

@anotherHelldiver Жыл бұрын

I always thought of the Black widow of having a strike eagle cockpit,not an C model cockpit.

@AJG81 Жыл бұрын

@@hughmungus2760 good point, it would probably start throwing a fit like an out of control firework.

@sazarjac7798 Жыл бұрын

That was a really exciting video! Great stuff!

@entityeoe2285 Жыл бұрын

I've always wanted to see this battle! Ty

@GageEakins Жыл бұрын

"They are both friendly on IFF" Fires anyway, classic. :)

@Rover200Power Жыл бұрын

If we are delving into the realms of fantasy I want to see a GR TSR-2 vs a F-111.

@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын

TSR-2 as-built or in its hoped-for specification?

@Rover200Power Жыл бұрын

@@trolleriffic as it is a "what if" it would be as originally planned.

@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын

@@Rover200Power It was a very ambitious aircraft design. One of those planes that will always have people asking "What if...?" but I suspect it would have been very late and very over budget before it ever matched its project goals.

@absolutezero6423 Жыл бұрын

I am a huge YF-23 fanboy lol. This is badass.

@lukast2784 8 ай бұрын

my dad designed it

@absolutezero6423 8 ай бұрын

@@lukast2784 Nice.

@muhammetyigitozz 8 ай бұрын

Tell him I say hi. Really love that design. @@lukast2784

@King_VTOL 8 ай бұрын

@@lukast2784 nuh uh

@lukast2784 8 ай бұрын

@@King_VTOL Did you want proof?

@rockfordsantacruz2336 Жыл бұрын

Hi guys have been watching you for a few weeks now really enjoying your work keep doing a thing

@willwozniak2826 Жыл бұрын

OUSTANDING boys...you keep pulling out surprises!.

@seanr928docs7 Жыл бұрын

This is the content I've been waiting for.

@obi-wankenobi1190 2 ай бұрын

Gotta love this one! This truly takes me back to 1990's Jetfighter II + Operation Lightning Storm by Velocity :) Many thanks for doing this cool mission!

@Justice-Seeker Жыл бұрын

That pop made me laugh (47:02) it was perfect! Thanks for the vid and especially the extra editing effort!

@glenproctor1999 Жыл бұрын

I remember buying the kit of the YF-23 because it looked so sexy. Like something out of a sci-fi film!

@arkaig1 Жыл бұрын

Had me at YF-23. Also, awesome illuminatory chatter. (so far, anyway), game, gameplay, and planes.

@meejinhuang Жыл бұрын

The F22 is more maneuverable. The YF23 has a smaller radar signature and a higher top speed. They have the same engines.

@HornetVF103 Жыл бұрын

The YF-23 had a much smaller RCS than F-22 and it also super-cruised at an alleged Mach 1.7 but that is still classified.

@Kenneth_James Жыл бұрын

That's why they chose it right? 🤨

@memememine1 Жыл бұрын

@@Kenneth_James they straight up chose it because the f22 was more conventional. Also the f22 is better wvr. But in today's modern threat environment what does a tiny bit better turning performance give you. Yf23 had better range speed and stealth capability much more useful for modern conflicts.

@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын

@@memememine1 Well no, the real reason was because the Air Force was worried that Northrop was not going to deliver on time. Of course, Lockheed proved little better. Also, the advantages provided by the YF-23 were miniscule as well, so its not like we gave up some super-fighter.

@HornetVF103 Жыл бұрын

@@Kenneth_James The reasons have been widely reported regarding the decision. If you know anything about the two aircraft you would know the reasons they chose the YF-22. What I stated above is not even disputed by Lockheed Martin, that the YF-23 was more stealthy and had a higher super cruise speed!

@jericho1-4 Жыл бұрын

@@memememine1 While the F-22 had a very slight advantage in TR, it lacked the speed stealth payload/WS aircraft integration system (basically giving the YF-23 the ability to act in the same manner the OH-58 Kiowa did for pre longbow targeting systems Apaches) allowing the YF-23 to pair with older fighters and or squadrons of fighters and newer fighter upgrades being made to F-14's F-15s F-16's F-18's F-117's and the entire medium and heavy bomber squadrons of the day and later developed aircraft. Something the F-22 has never and continues not to be able to do, the F-22 while a good fighter is very linear and does one or two things well the YF-23 was a multi role platform that did a bunch of things the F-22 couldn't do, very well. The consensus is that politics and not the abilities of either platform was the deciding factor as is more often the case than not in weapons procurement in the US the last seven decades or so.

@johns1625 7 күн бұрын

I still think the YF-23 should have been designated as the Manta Ray, or just Manta. It's even got the two little fins on the back on either side of the tail! 😂😂

@kibathemechanic4967 Жыл бұрын

Could y'alls next Canyon DeathRun be with 5th gen aircraft only?

@mikes-qk1sh Жыл бұрын

I actually believe that the YF-23 was stealthier and faster but the YF-22 was more maneuverable with better avionics

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

Very cool you guys have The YF-23 Now!👍👍 Now you guys need The X-32!

@05councilmember Жыл бұрын

An interesting video idea would be for CH to make his own "super fighter" and the GR squadron has to take it down

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Love it!

@kenhelmers2603 Жыл бұрын

Interesting! thanks Cap

@marshmellothebast1246 Жыл бұрын

Yes I have been waiting for for a long time

@ROTNReaper Жыл бұрын

The YF23 was a great idea and had its ups, but I'm glad the raptor was selected. Cool to see them compete though

@Gyyghhhhjjjkk Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Ppl always acted like if US missed a super fighter when they didn’t pick yf23. Literally each had its ups and equally match each others

@ROTNReaper Жыл бұрын

@DevilThatflies and tbh the ups of the YF23 weren't worth the bill it came with. The juice sometimes isn't worth the squeeze. Especially when they most likely won't ever see air to air combat vs another jet of its caliber. There have been many weapon systems in the world that were developed simply to deter with its capabilities, and were seeing that now with the SU57. It sits inside Russian borders during its engagements

@Mobius118 Жыл бұрын

Finally, an intelligent comment thread

@ROTNReaper Жыл бұрын

@Mobius One yeah there's a lot of ignorant comments on here

@tedl1441 9 ай бұрын

For those who claim F-22 is more manoeuvrable than YF-23, look up Paul Metz, the only pilot in the world to have flown both planes, and a test pilot, who helps write manuals for fighter pilots to learn about their aircraft. He says that F-22 is only slightly more agile at very low speeds, and at all other speeds, YF-23 was no less agile, and depending on airspeed, at times more agile. So in real life, YF-23 is probably going to be a slightly superior dogfighter. It matches and is slightly superior to the Raptor, without thrust vectoring. This means you can get a slightly better dogfighter but with a significantly maintenance cost.

@Istandby666 Жыл бұрын

The F-22 gave up some stealth for thrust vectoring. That's why the YF-22 and the F-22 are more maneuverable and the YF-23 is more stealthier. These are the memories of why I would love to go back and relive my life over again. I had a great life growing up around Edwards Air Force Base.

@dennisrowley5685 Жыл бұрын

One of the coolest videos I've seen

@michaelburns8279 Жыл бұрын

Maybe one of my favorite videos, thanks guys.

@1MADZ Жыл бұрын

Good stuff boys

@tom23rd Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this one

@rmp5s Жыл бұрын

6:57 - As a Marine, I resemble that, Grump.

@d.thieud.1056 Жыл бұрын

It's worth noting the YF-23 was a prototype, not the production model. To be completely fair it should have gone up against a YF-22, which was significantly worse. the YF-23 was greatly stealthier, and its enormous tail (bigger than an F-16s wing) gave it a serious edge in nose authority against the YF-22 without thrust vectoring. even with thrust vectoring the YF-23 wasn't far behind in kinematics. Those Tiles on the Widows exhaust are also a sort of ablative cooling system that would cool the exhaust to lower its IR signature

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Yup, hence why I increased the weight of the YF-23 from the wiki details up to production weight, but it was guess work.

@yvesdulac1871 Жыл бұрын

No. The YF23 lacks weapon bay capacity. It cannot carry short rage AAMs and it could only carry 3 amraams. If it evolves into F-23 it will enlarge its fuselage and it will gain lots of weight. There is no way it could maneuver as well as a Raptor.

@Mobius118 Жыл бұрын

@Yves Dulac Correct

@SATO_FD2R Жыл бұрын

Finally some of that GOOD "GOOD"

@1drmr3 Жыл бұрын

This was a very good video

@jimkluska253 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for running a yf23 vid!!!!

@saltysteel3996 Жыл бұрын

Finally!

@michaelboyd7211 Жыл бұрын

Loved it

@henricomonterosa4534 Жыл бұрын

Would be really interesting to see how MICA, Iris-T and so on do in comparison in these matches.

@luisangelperez9469 Жыл бұрын

AWESOME

@goodboy1269 Жыл бұрын

Cap this is one your valued viewers!! You guys are awesome 👋🏼 Hey is there a link available for the YF-23?

@goodboy1269 Жыл бұрын

I see in the description it is not finished yet 😢

@fraserhenderson7839 Жыл бұрын

Raptor has decades of development...

@manydirt2600 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it better win. I wonder what the experimental raptor contemporary to the YF23 would do. Interesting topic for this video, can't wait

@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын

And stealth isn't even close to being properly modelled in DCS, nor are the F-22's capabilities since much of them are still classified. Then there's the problem that the YF-23 wasn't even close to a finished product so it wouldn't have been remotely competitive in a fight - it was a prototype that needed years of development to turn it into a viable fighter, just like the YF-22.

@Istandby666 Жыл бұрын

My thoughts? Thank you for proving what Team YF-23 knew all along. Wow, this takes me back to 1991.

@markb1519 Жыл бұрын

That was fun to watch imagine if they built both

@pappytron Жыл бұрын

I think this is a good illustration regarding the use of IFF in game-play.

@9999plato Жыл бұрын

The YF23 was not chosen because of the bitterness over the cost overruns on the stealth bomber Northrop was building. They thought Northrop's competition would manage the costs better, they thought wrong. I prefer the YF23.

@donFede23137 Жыл бұрын

The YF-23 was in fact stealthier, due to its angles and its tail design, furthermore the engines were design to have even less IR emissions, what was the YF-23 weakness was the lack of thrust vectoring and prices

@profo4544 11 ай бұрын

I was happy to see this lol.

@osuna3525 Жыл бұрын

The black widow name makes the contrails creepier, like the glinting of a black widow web when you first notice it LoL

@1949crewchief Жыл бұрын

We did air refueling testing with both these birds out of Edwards in 92. They were awesome to see for the first time. Rumor had it Douglas guys already knew they were going to lose based on the 23 being technologically superior...too superior, the AF seen it as a potential problem in parts, support and training.

@lindenbyrne7725 Жыл бұрын

Nope it’s because the yf 23 was not adaptable to future technological advancements and would not be able to sustain required advancements such as data link and modern missiles. Also the yf23 is a stable flight model from what I know of the test pilot found the aircraft so stable that he believed it could do aerial refuel without pilot correction (not that he did but speaks volumes about how comfortable he felt in the aircraft)

@dexlab7539 Жыл бұрын

I worked for Northrop when the YF-23 lost to the YF-22…..sad day 😞 it was a very cool aircraft

@Davros-vi4qg Жыл бұрын

GR dives into more controversy, blimey, they brave 😮

@SarcastSempervirens 8 ай бұрын

waited 30 years to see it fly! still magnificent!

@thesandwichfreak3780 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Super Cap! I waited a long time to see the YF-23 in air-to-air combat. It is now time to take on the SU-57...

@benkirby8461 Жыл бұрын

Seeing as radar is pretty much useless Simba (THE PEOPLES CHAMP) was smart to use WWII tactics. Love how he always thinks outside the box. As always a great job from the whole GR crew. Everybody gets a pay raise

@flaxseedoil1000 Жыл бұрын

YF-23 had those exhaust tiles vs vectoring, wonder if they would have made a difference vs heat seekers.

@lukast2784 8 ай бұрын

ill ask my dad (designer)

@emergcon Жыл бұрын

ASEA Radar is pointed to the sky because it causes reflections. So going as high as possible should give you less detection range.

@peejmeista Жыл бұрын

This makes me want to ask you to do more warbird dogfights. Just 4x4 dogfighting, no mission, no bombs, just guns and cannon

@gendo1 Жыл бұрын

The official simba fan club would like to note that the airframes were tested against each other in simulations and the F22 won because reasons valued viewers. This was simply a contest of pilot skill and our peoples champion Simba Wimba Kun came out on top, just like he did in the fastest jet video in his F16. Famous.

@JYF921 Жыл бұрын

And this is why dogfighting is still important and decisive

@willdsm08 Жыл бұрын

The F22 was built by Lookheed, and the F23 was built by Northrop. Lockheed knows the right people to "entertain" to win contracts.

@bcorlis1 Жыл бұрын

Not sure which is more comical, AI decompensating or human v human with half the pilots crashing and one dead by friendly fire.

@michaelritzen8138 Жыл бұрын

Hey guys, I recently stumbled about the Peregrine missile and I was wondering if you are going to have a look at it, for as far as you can with available data. Being able to double the amount of missiles in a F-22 or F-35 will be huge, I assume.

@Flojer0 Жыл бұрын

Seeing gamers confuse friendlies and enemies makes real war sound a lot scarier

@3ndt1m3s Жыл бұрын

The TR3_B looks pretty dang slick too. And it's the ultimate stealth..

@Pab-B Жыл бұрын

Nice X-Files riff at 47:00 ;-)

@xxxautopsy99xxx Жыл бұрын

Wow ! Saw that beauty in CA. Is there a link for the mod Cap? Tnx

@zevynozevyn4102 Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah 👍

@IONindustries627 Жыл бұрын

F-22: "W-WHO ARE YOU!?" YF-23: "Your Mommy~"

@jaffacalling53 Жыл бұрын

More like cooler brother

@vanguard9067 Жыл бұрын

@sebastian Lee LOLOLOL. Thanks for a good laugh from your cleverness. Have a great evening!

@thomask5038 Жыл бұрын

Idea: How would a USN ARG escorted by a Destroyer Squadron (or CDG) operating in the South China Seas fair against a Chinese strike? Examples: USS Makin Island (ARG) and USS America (ARG) frequently operate independently from CSGs within the Indo-Pacific. Most recently, USS Makin Island completed a tour in the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand as part of a joint exercise with ASEAN partners. USS America frequently makes tours down to Okinawa, and is presently operating around the Philippines. In both recent examples, both ARGs were operating far from the supporting cover of the USS Ronald Reagan and its supporting CDG.

@MbTrojansurgeon Жыл бұрын

Dam, that Widow is SEXY!!!

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

thx

@ViperFox_ Жыл бұрын

I wish that plane got the contract instead of the F-22. In a lot of areas the 23 beat the 22 but congress was so upset at Northrop for the delays and huge overages on the B-2 Spirit they gave it to Lockheed

@haydenrisinger4521 Жыл бұрын

Why dont you model the thrust vectoring so you can use the f22 to is full potential

@Phuketwordsbrother Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't come out of the bedroom with those forearms.

@lezdog7590 Жыл бұрын

Hey Cap, any chance you could make the radar file public and do a video on how to install it to say the f22 ? I want to feel the true potential of the monster

@alfredrogers4551 Жыл бұрын

Video idea: modern American Ford class versus 200 Japanese kamikaze pilots

@lutfullahkarahanl2998 Жыл бұрын

Good to see you back Simba wimba ❤

@dougmuti3850 Жыл бұрын

Rough day for the Cap ✈️ 💥

@tripperdonnie Жыл бұрын

I was stationed at Edward's AFB, I remember the YF-23 sitting in the dirt just of the shoulder of the taxiway for several months, the engines has been removed. This was after it lost the competition for which aircraft the AF wanted. It was all dirty and dusty, looked like an abandoned car. I always wondered why it had been left there. Security was so lax back then that I'll bet I could have hooked a tow strap to it and drug it away.

@justifiablyhuman Жыл бұрын

Rumors were that parts of engineering process and even some of the airframe geometry and components, although absolutely adequate and perhaps superior to the Raptor's at the time, were fledgling concepts that could be made much better with further development, and maybe even had hypersonic applications. Further rumors suggest that much of what didn't make it directly into the Raptor program ended up being developed further into what eventually became the top submissions to the NGAD projects. Rumors that may be somewhat confirmed by the seemingly ridiculous rate at which supposedly a demonstrator was constructed and flown for that program. I only bring up because, well, the F-23 was gorgeous and revolutionary even compared to the F-22. In some ways, the F-22 is a legacy fighter concept that successfully integrated stealth tech, but the F-23 was a radical departure from traditional fighter geometry, more akin to what the Russian were trying to do with the SU-47. I think it will be nice to look at what comes out of the upcoming NGAD programs and know that they have F-23 DNA, and if so, then their legacy will live on as more than just a near what-if and the F-22's only real competitor.

@gunzelloharris3348 Жыл бұрын

Tht wuz Cool! ;)

@lantinian Жыл бұрын

My god. Literally love the YF-23. I could watch stuff about it all day.

@saltyskunk381 Жыл бұрын

This should be very interesting 🤔

@simba1113 Жыл бұрын

That X-files tribute had me falling out of my chair

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

You sit in a chair Simba??

@simba1113 Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers fair comment. i should have said throne.

@gotindrachenhart Жыл бұрын

The AI Raptor pilots were simply terrified :D I'm with you Cap on the Widow. I was a teen when the models came out and I wanted a model of this jet more than any I'd ever wanted one in my life. Shame that the only reason the Raptor won was stupid politics because most commentators on documentaries I've watched on this all say the Widow was superior.

@larrylakeotes1554 7 ай бұрын

How can we request the YF-23 mod to also fly it in DCS please?

@airprok8328 Жыл бұрын

Raptor top speed is Mach 2.0 but has a cruising speed of 1.8

@tombeers3489 Жыл бұрын

"I'm just gonna check the F10 map, I won't cheat." "Oh, hello." Hmmm

@RTS907 Жыл бұрын

I’ve always wanted to see this comparison. I wonder how close the specifics are on the YF-23.

@TraditionalAnglican Жыл бұрын

YF-23 has a smaller RCS, higher top speed & higher Supercruise.

@Mobius118 Жыл бұрын

F-22 is a better dog fighter and the 23 is only marginally better in speed and stealth (than the prototype F-22). The Raptor has a much better weapons capacity than the 23

@savvidisaudio 7 ай бұрын

Is there ANY chance that we could have this YF23 for DCS? Or is it a private mod only? GS uses it too

@erictayet Жыл бұрын

So on hindsight the USAF was fighting SU-27/35 so besides politics (Northrop was always overbudget), they probably felt they needed a better dogfighter and YF-22 had thrust vectoring. For NGAD where dogfighting is lower priority than stealth/range/payload, I think a cross between YF-23 and B-21 is possible. I always preferred the YF-23 and I thot it would have better potential for upgradability against the SU-57 & J-20 now. I guess after the encounter between the F-35 & J-20 last year, the USAF has some idea on how stealthy the Chinese fighter is.