you don't need fancy analog hardware synths

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phritz

phritz

Жыл бұрын

some wavetable presets i made (patreon):
/ you-dont-need-1-77394184
check out my other stuff:
phritzmusic.com
the reddit thread in discussion: / ableton_95_analog_filters
#ableton #wavetable #musicproducer

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@plusol
@plusol Жыл бұрын
this tutorial is missing one key component, Digital synths by its nature don't come in BOXES. Dave Pensado once told me that the bigger the box, the bigger the sound. I bought a Moog Modular and they had to helicopter that shit to my home just because the box was so big. But it was worth it. You can't compare the sound of the analog because your computer doesn't come in a real, analog box, it's a digital box. Even if the box is a big digital box, it's still just a digital box. You need a real, cardboard, locally wrapped and handled Cuboid
@musicbyshadofox
@musicbyshadofox Жыл бұрын
well fiNe thEN *buys physical copy of omnisphere*
@Molekulasti
@Molekulasti Жыл бұрын
Can I buy just the box and stick my PC inside?
@hairyhunk44
@hairyhunk44 Жыл бұрын
Hmmm....That explains why I never did like the sound of the Prophet 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 on KZfaq enough to buy one. Same with the OB X ,Y and Z.... wait your trying to trick me...I didn't buy any of those because they sounded dated.
@Arviav
@Arviav Жыл бұрын
makes sense
@TachyBunker
@TachyBunker Жыл бұрын
It's because they are different that we can compare them. Lmao
@LLusion
@LLusion Жыл бұрын
i really hope this is the future of tutorials. couldn’t have made it more simple. in 6 mins you gave me a clearer understanding of creating synths to your liking. thank you for this video.
@moreroids_morehemorrhoids
@moreroids_morehemorrhoids 4 ай бұрын
i fw your music bro its tuf
@LoserDub
@LoserDub 4 ай бұрын
Finally somewhere where I can say screw those analog purists, bunch of carpet baggers if you ask me. But now joking aside. I really believe that you don't need analog at all anymore, at this point you can almost identically create any sounds off any of those machines, and do way more with them, not to mention you can save the setting lol. I think the future of performance and production will be multiple touch screens with your synths open on each, a couple MIDI controllers, a mixer and boom, $20,000 setup for 500 bucks
@StoopLifeRecords
@StoopLifeRecords 4 ай бұрын
@@LoserDub I still like my analogue toys, but arguably all your getting for the price these days is improved workflow. its still quicker for me to run everything I record through a channel strip with a bit of light dynamics processing on the inserts than it is to make that channel strip in the daw. but here's what catches me out and why you're right. what if that day I don't want the ssl pre and eq, maybe the artist im working with prefers the Neve sound. im still gonna bringup a 1073 plugin to get that in my workflow. granted on the was 900 I can record 24 channels with zero patch baying and have that set up in the control room in less than ten minutes. which is beneficial. but theses days were mostly dubbing in the studio, giving us the time to be flexible with our sounds. which is what's better about how many great digital plugins there are these days. just cause my studio runs ssl I can still bring up like a century channel strip or something inprotools and basically have emulated versions of like six different studios in my daw. digital is amazing now. still love analogue but honestly I think its less and less useful. I have a real teletronix la2a in the studio at college. but sometimes I pull up the plugin version of the silver one or whatever because it sounds different, and I didn't have to spend another 3k on a compressor.
@isocarboxazid
@isocarboxazid 3 ай бұрын
@@LoserDubI'm also hoping for some more solid MPE controllers personally
@mttlsa686
@mttlsa686 Жыл бұрын
For those who are interested about the wavetable synth and maybe don't know much about it i've got a little tip to have a huge variety of wavetables. Load a sample (let's say we've got a chord stab but it could be anything even something sampled from a record or a simple kickdrum) in the timeline and zoom until you can see the single sinusoidal cycle of the sample's waveform, cut the single cycle and consolidate it, so drag it and drop it into the wavetable osc. In this way every note you play will sound with the characteristics of the sample and you'll have a completely unique, inspiring and interesting sound from the start.
@ELISHACAEZ
@ELISHACAEZ Жыл бұрын
Thank u so much for the tip 🫡
@danielhertzmaybe
@danielhertzmaybe Жыл бұрын
golden tip, thanks!!!
@archungus
@archungus Жыл бұрын
Great tip!
@NamelessSmile
@NamelessSmile Жыл бұрын
Cant you just drag the sample into wavetable and it'll do that for you but with more waves ?
@mttlsa686
@mttlsa686 Жыл бұрын
@@NamelessSmile no, if i recall correctly, if you drag the whole sample it won't load the wavetable so it won't work...
@phritzmusic
@phritzmusic Жыл бұрын
I apologize if I’ve caused some discomfort for using the word analog too lightly, I should have phrased it ‘making it sound less digital’ or smth idk, I still like how it sounds tho
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths Жыл бұрын
then again some digital synths like the Virus can sound analog and quite nicer than software.
@Lance_G
@Lance_G Жыл бұрын
Lol there's no pleasing the purists, it sounds analog to me. Nice tutorial!
@giovanniortiz5833
@giovanniortiz5833 Жыл бұрын
great tutorial 🤙🏽
@repent1111
@repent1111 Жыл бұрын
Very cool video, easy to follow. Dont let interwebz producer trolls get to ya. Good music is to you, what you love. Not what others think.. big ups!
@andret763
@andret763 Жыл бұрын
@@GuitarsAndSynths I own a virus ti2. you really gotta milk the eq and distortion, analog character level and saturation to get it even remotely analog. then i flip on my dreadbox murmux v2 and am instantly reminded that the virus is digital. virus is irreplaceable for its versatility imo though.
@RedMeansRecording
@RedMeansRecording Жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Great patches.
@pkliskiki1800
@pkliskiki1800 Жыл бұрын
i love yoou
@phritzmusic
@phritzmusic Жыл бұрын
oh hi!! thank you for your comment, love your videos!
@Windkind0
@Windkind0 4 ай бұрын
I grew up using digital synths. Today I am designing both analog and digital synth circuits/code for hardware mostly. The key difference between digital and analog in terms of sound becomes ever smaller (unless we are talking about wild feedback-patches on a modular synthesizer). What is a difference tho, is the one between a plugin and dedicated hardware synths - regardless if analog or digital - on hardware you have the advantage that you usually have knobs that allow you to directly interface with a parameter and they are right there without you having to set anything up. This can change how you interact with the thing and therefore change what you make with it (not automatically leading to better results, but it is a different experience and that can have an impact on how you do music). I still use a lot of software synths if I am working on a sound design, but hardware can be more in the moment if you are in the rehearsal room with other musicians. Ah yeah, and certain filters still sound better in analog, e.g. I have yet to hear a convincing emulation of the Wasp Filter - but there are also digital things I have never heard in the analog world and would not like to miss.
@marskat131
@marskat131 4 ай бұрын
Sorry, u should quit your job. The difference hardware digital software digital is not the knobs .
@grantog123
@grantog123 4 ай бұрын
Thank you. I just figured analog people didn't want to get software lol. And it looks cool in a room.
@oldmossystone
@oldmossystone 4 ай бұрын
@@marskat131 Please tell us what it really is then, I'd like to know
@slunkzilla
@slunkzilla 4 ай бұрын
@@marskat131 you should quit commenting on KZfaq
@baddriddimworkshop
@baddriddimworkshop 3 ай бұрын
Same point on my comment, and this vid is a good example, it's fulll of digital clickz lol. And just to say, if they decided to leave the new synclavier regen at 50hz max, it's for a reason and i love it, it's not about analog and digital, each is usefull, it's about good hardware, real instruments on one side (and i wont go about the ethical part of the buisness huh), and crappy plastic, not durable, not reparable, or digital clicks and/or a dehumanizing relationship with a computer, wich is the less intuitive way to make music whatever genre....
@busywl69
@busywl69 Жыл бұрын
Use what you like, it all sound truly amazing today. Hardware or software. General music listeners out there don't care how you create.
@user-tp4gi8gt3g
@user-tp4gi8gt3g Жыл бұрын
the real word
@C1c4da
@C1c4da 5 ай бұрын
even the free vsts nowadays are amazing. I use vital a lot and i genuinely like it more than serum.
@i_jetlag
@i_jetlag 5 ай бұрын
​@@C1c4daI've tried creating the same patches in Serum & Vital. And I gotta tell ya, Serum has a warmer tone than Vital. I usually create simple analog synth inspired patches. For other sounds like growls and stuff, it didn't matter much. But recently bought Diva (blackfriday sale) and now I primarily use Diva for analogue inspired patches. It's beautiful. Anyways everything has its own strengths and weaknesses, I guess.
@nsjx
@nsjx 2 ай бұрын
Truth of the Matter
@fisle
@fisle Жыл бұрын
Something I do with all of my patches by default is to assign a value between 0.1-0.5 to the random column on the matrix for filter cutoff, oscillator fine tune, oscillator position, envelope attack and decay times, and amplitude. This means that every time you hit a key, you get a slight variation in the sound. I based on this on how the vintage knob on the P6 / OB6 works. The major limitation is that each parameter is taking the same random value on each key press, but I find if I vary the modulation amount from -0.5 - +0.5, it adds a certain something. Then you just need to add some saturation and/or tape emulation down the chain, and it usually sounds pretty good. I don't most people could tell the difference on a recording between a well-made VST patch and an analogue synth. I use analogue gear myself and I mostly keep it around because I like the device, more than because the sound is inherently better.
@KimStennabbCaesar
@KimStennabbCaesar Жыл бұрын
For me, using hardware (analogue or digital) is not necessarily all about the sound, but the immediate access to ways to edit it. Clicking around on a screen VS just moving your hands and adjusting physical dials and switches, is two very different ways of working.
@theblowupdollsmusic
@theblowupdollsmusic Жыл бұрын
The stock analog instrument in ableton and has an "error" setting in the main area you can turn up to do this as well.
@ivansoto9723
@ivansoto9723 6 ай бұрын
@@KimStennabbCaesar For me it's about the specific synth itself. Just like Serum doesn't sound like Omnisphere, a JD-990 doesn't sound like an OB-X. They just all lean towards different characteristics because of their capabilities, limitations, workflow, as well as type of synthesis.
@KimStennabbCaesar
@KimStennabbCaesar 6 ай бұрын
@@ivansoto9723 Yeah, I agree with this statement.
@zoned7609
@zoned7609 4 ай бұрын
@fisle that's what I do on most patches - there's almost always slight movement of the filter, and tuning, and pitch, and those are modulated with separate things (different LFOs, cycling envelopes) minifreak makes this easy
@FFriday
@FFriday Жыл бұрын
This was delightful, seeing the thought process behind it, all the individual steps explained and to top it all of this clean look that just makes it easier to follow. What a treat, thank you very much for sharing. I would love more of this pls.
@cme9879
@cme9879 Жыл бұрын
I love the style of the editing here! it's so clean!
@Ethan-qe7cr
@Ethan-qe7cr Жыл бұрын
In a mix. Most if not all people wouldn’t even pick if it’s analog or not. And that’s the truth :)
@Digital__rb
@Digital__rb 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely true, those old 80’s analog synths actually sound much cleaner than what was done here, they sound dirty like that when theyre played on a cassette tape, but thats cause theyre on tape being played thru a cheap walkman. Theres gunna be noise and pitch warble with that. Analog can be extremely stable and clean, actually, my analog electrosmith 3340 oscillator is much more clean sounding and tracks pitch significantly better than my digital 2hp sine oscillator. Production quality is probably the biggest factor there
@morrisalanisette9067
@morrisalanisette9067 4 ай бұрын
John maus said this . Spent years building synths and he said in the end you can’t hear it
@kaikofoni
@kaikofoni 4 ай бұрын
even with the raw signal, if you're decent at sound design and aim for a "analog sound", no one can tell a high quality digital synth setup from an analog one. modern digital synths can sound really "analog" and modern analog synths can sound really "digital".
@maokus
@maokus Жыл бұрын
Love the editing, so clean
@SimilarOutskirts
@SimilarOutskirts Жыл бұрын
Really loving these videos lately. Keep 'em coming!
@adridoesthings3703
@adridoesthings3703 Жыл бұрын
always excited to see new phritz videos :]
@MilesKvndra
@MilesKvndra Жыл бұрын
Nice video! You’ve got some really cool sounds here
@pikatoste
@pikatoste Жыл бұрын
just discovered ur videos today. instantly went to spotify and listened every song from u. ur now one of my top fav producers lmao
@lundsweden
@lundsweden 2 ай бұрын
I most make music in the DAW, but I enjoy playing with my analog toys sometimes. I think they do sound just a little better than my plugs, but I cant usually be bothered recording them. Vintage synths evoke a strong feeling if nostalgia too, for those of us old enough to remember when they were new.
@HugoArgentina
@HugoArgentina 5 ай бұрын
Terrific. Clear and concise. Great format
@bambatacandt7921
@bambatacandt7921 Жыл бұрын
This why i love sound designing !! I need to really work in it in order to master it ! Thanks for this video bro
@7excess
@7excess Жыл бұрын
love this kind of editing, great job
@morgan0
@morgan0 Жыл бұрын
i highly recommend taking some stereo pink noise and slowing it down until it’s completely inaudible, layering whatever sound with that, running that thru distortion, and then highpassing it
@aravartanian7578
@aravartanian7578 4 ай бұрын
Beautiful tutorial on sound design! Love it!
@niklas3883
@niklas3883 Жыл бұрын
I love your video production! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! :)
@mauricemoore.
@mauricemoore. Жыл бұрын
love your style of video. so good
@olkid5076
@olkid5076 Жыл бұрын
That was an incredible video. Thank you!
@robledodub
@robledodub 3 ай бұрын
I finally learned how to make one of the osc’s in wavetable actually sound like noise instead of a single cycle wave from the noise. Very helpful, thank you.
@SolidtraxNL
@SolidtraxNL Жыл бұрын
Great video, great patches! - With regards to the SMP filter: Andrew Simper of Cytomic created these filters (for The Drop) and licensed the (custom) MD versions to Ableton + he said this about the SMP filter on KVR: "SMP = Custom MS20 Rev. 2 / OSCar"
@subrift
@subrift Жыл бұрын
love the format!
@archonicmakes
@archonicmakes Жыл бұрын
I love your minimalistic video style!
@justandycat
@justandycat 4 ай бұрын
Great video, really love Wavetable. Now I love it more then before :) Thanks!
@mrchairboy
@mrchairboy Жыл бұрын
Best use of Helvetica on YT. Cuts through the crap and focuses on the sound. 👍
@brian2590
@brian2590 Жыл бұрын
I use mostly hardware due to IT being my day job. I cannot click 1000 times like i used to. Started getting into Ableton more. Hybrid is where it's at for me. For edge and grit... unstable sounds it would not hurt to just buy a single analog filter or module to run sounds through. Get the best of both worlds. Looking forward to more videos!
@Bonn5656
@Bonn5656 Жыл бұрын
Same here I click all day at work and after work making 'music' with hw is more appealing.. Excuses (: but good ones.
@GuitarsAndSynths
@GuitarsAndSynths Жыл бұрын
same and I started with Ableton and a laptop and got tired of working ITB all the time as it felt like my day computer job. Playing with hardware is more enjoyable and feels like instrument versus computer programming. Mixer recorders make life easier now to dump audio to an SDCard and import to your DAW as well.
@brian2590
@brian2590 Жыл бұрын
@@GuitarsAndSynths I hit legit burnout around 2020. I am self employed which means lots of overtime with no overtime pay. Between that and events in my life something just snapped. I can no longer retain information from a screen. I feel sick at my desk. I look at code i have written and emails and it looks like it was written by another person. The burnout is a legit concern for anyone. DAWs can do so many amazing things i feel i am missing out. Hopefully i come out the other side of this and can leverage these tools better.
@mattramirez7912
@mattramirez7912 4 ай бұрын
I really like those sounds at the end
@Underlai_Audio
@Underlai_Audio Жыл бұрын
Very inspiring! Thank you
@ViceChief
@ViceChief Жыл бұрын
I really appreciated this tutorial and I signed up to your patreon for access to these presets.
@kuhtipp
@kuhtipp Жыл бұрын
Perfect demonstration!
@amarug
@amarug 3 ай бұрын
I just got into EDM making and was a bit puzzled that I heard people talk about synths being somewhat complicated. Then I realized that my degrees in engineering of course made everything almost "intuitive", but if you haven't taken x classes in signal processing, filtering and mathematics, it might feel at bit more mysterious at the start...
@Chik0r0
@Chik0r0 Жыл бұрын
ever since I started "making music" and designing sounds I was fascinated by the amount of things you can do with Wavetable, and as I became more and more invested in the hobby I started to move away from basic Ableton devices thinking they were "too simple" or "too default-sounding" and that I needed to buy expensive shit just to achieve decent sounds, but this video has reminded me why I love stock plugins so much :) thank you!
@msld_sound
@msld_sound Жыл бұрын
Very good demo! My main inhibition to using software synths for analogue tones is that most don't oversample at a high enough rate to do audio-rate modulation of anything besides oscillator pitch, and even then it's not consistently good. (Xfer Serum and the u-he titles are some notable exceptions; REPRO and Hive are pretty good at it.) I discovered a whole new world of textures with my Moog semimodular, but they are more like aliasing mush when I try them in software - which is so unfortunate, as I prefer softsynths for easy patch recall, portability, and DEFINITELY cost.
@terryriley6410
@terryriley6410 Жыл бұрын
You should try VCVRack, its software architecture is built so that audio-rate modulation is the default to any module. Additionally many oscillators made in there are written to generate waves via oversampling. It's definitely one of the closest experiences to analog synths I have tried and considering most of it is completely free is insane.
@karlsjostedt8415
@karlsjostedt8415 Жыл бұрын
Reason has amazing sounding synths and mixers. Run it at the highest bitrates and samples per second (whatever your sound output supports) and it starts to sound analogue...
@OrafuDa
@OrafuDa 4 ай бұрын
Interesting video, thank you. I agree, many digital synths and VSTs or AUs can be used to create lovely analog-sounding sounds. And people don’t necessarily need an analog synth. The difference with analog synths is that the “warmth” happens more or less by itself. (If the synth has been designed to have “warmth” at all, that is.) It is possible to add lots of analog-y quirks to a digital synth. But it is really hard to replicate the ease and directness with which an analog synth can produce them. Yes, analog quirks are instabilities and noise … and distortions. But there are also other subtle effects. Such as the subtle beating that multiple voices can have, which can be very characteristic for a synth. Or the subtle idiosyncrasies in oscillator waveforms, that end up in the overtone spectrum. And because everything is based on voltages and currents, there can be cross-influences across components. Something can change subtly when a key is pressed, for example. Everything is somewhat connected (although designers tend to try to isolate the components, but there is always a bit of a remaining influence between them). So, the artifacts can also synchronize in analog-typical ways. - And the typical analog artifacts appear by themselves. I believe that all of these idiosyncrasies can in principle be replicated with digital synths. But it is not easy. And the digital synth needs to be able to support all these. And the sound designer needs to try to avoid the digital artifacts as well. Analog artifacts can depend on lots of different things. But analog equipment typically behaves “smoothly” … and that usually means that the artifacts sound “warm”. Digital synths have long learned to simulate analog distortions, where they are prominent enough. (Digital artifacts, if not created intentionally, tend to behave “abruptly” … and that typically sounds “harsh”. But digital synths have learned to avoid these in many places, except when desired.) The remaining difference is that analog synths have smooth / warm artifacts even where digital synths do not simulate them. The sound designer can try to put them in, with some success … but it is really hard to do it in exactly the way analog equipment would do it … because it varies in idiosyncratic ways, and everything is somewhat connected. I have many plugins for my DAWs. But whatever I use, I find it really hard to replicate the sounds that people create on analog synths. (It doesn’t matter whether I use many parameters on a capable digital synth, or if I use a digital “clone” of the synth.) The differences are clearly audible even on youtube videos, and the sound has a different character. So, yes, it is easily possible to create analog sounding sounds. But the sheer emotion that a beautiful analog synth sound can evoke is hard to replicate. And no, I don’t own any analog synths … I cannot afford them, nor do I have enough space. But the cravings are there. Some people experience the character of a sound very consciously, even the more subtle parts. Others may not hear the character as clearly. But however much we hear it, it still influences us. The character of a sound makes us feel a certain way. All that being said, there are a few VSTs that go a long way to simulate analog sound. For example, the U-He synths: Diva in particular. The approach is to simulate the voltages and currents in the analog circuits of a synth. Thereby simulating all the analog artifacts along the way. And it sounds amazing. - Note that Diva is still limited, because as far as I understand, it uses shortcuts to simulate the circuits, to cut down on the enormous CPU processing costs of a full simulation. Some others use similar approaches: for example, the Yamaha AN technology is modeling analog circuits. All in all, I believe the main message of the video is fair: creating analog sounding sounds on digital synths is possible, and those sounds can be lovely. But I think it is also fair to say that analog synths are valuable for their effortless yet subtly complex analog character. - Would I pay 10k+ for them? Nope. Not unless I was super rich. But I do value them.
@plusol
@plusol Жыл бұрын
absolutely brilliant
@FullCircle11
@FullCircle11 5 ай бұрын
I like that this has no talking and is straight to the point and efficient without any filler bs
@krismelendres3266
@krismelendres3266 4 ай бұрын
I am always overwhelmed with Wavetable this video made it understandable. Thanks!
@phantom9438
@phantom9438 2 ай бұрын
easily the best tutorial i've seen (about pretty much anything) and i don't even use ableton. if only all tutorials could be as clear and helpful as this one
@DrObvious111
@DrObvious111 2 ай бұрын
that pre-last polyrhytmic patch and melody was just stunningly immersive. cool tutorial
@jaycotto2889
@jaycotto2889 Жыл бұрын
While most of this I knew, some details were made clearer and a few things were new to me. Having said that, this video made me look at some of your other videos and I enjoyed them so much, I made a Patreon account just to subscribe to you! Great stuff. I can’t wait to explore all you have there.
@BucketOfBlueStuff
@BucketOfBlueStuff 4 ай бұрын
been using ableton for 8 years and had no idea there were different filters in the stock plug-ins, i was freaked out by the acronyms so always left it😭 great vid, awesome sounding presets too 🤩
@germainfraisse4763
@germainfraisse4763 5 ай бұрын
Really cool tutorial, thanks !!
@stinkypete9070
@stinkypete9070 Жыл бұрын
Sounds great, I'll be signing up to the patreon for these! I do think there's a difference in some instances with hardware but once in context they're gone for most things. In a blind test I can't tell is a prophet plugin over a prophet once I add other instruments and drums, and even then, only when they're A to B Comparisions unless they're not patched right. I think a hybrid solution is where it's at. It's really only noticeable with specific monos I think when in context. I'm actually liking hybrid sounds now too, a digital synth with a couple layers of analog monos is a nice contrast to my ears. I've actually sold pretty much all my hardware over time, and mostly in Ableton. I only have an a moog (that doubles as my midi controller) and an and an analog 4 since that's damn fun to use and you can use it during a performance. (People seem to react to it better than pressing pads with a laptop next to you during a performance at a bar or something too. well, at least the ones I've been at)
@harrisunlikethesun
@harrisunlikethesun 4 ай бұрын
amazing and simple !
@jonhollinsworth8785
@jonhollinsworth8785 4 ай бұрын
Great tutorial, I’ve never used Ableton or bought a software instrument but have owned lots of vintage synths and samplers. Really interested in Ableton but also looking at arturia v colection that I can use with logic which I have used for many years. The sounds you created, sound much like my old ensoniqs. Thank you, feel happy to have let them all go and ready to start a new journey with software
@GlennRicci
@GlennRicci Жыл бұрын
OMG, can’t believe I didn’t know about the different filter types! The Ableton one sounds nice.
@xtldubz
@xtldubz Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video💯
@holyholyholyholyholyholy
@holyholyholyholyholyholy 4 ай бұрын
What an amazing video!
Жыл бұрын
This is amazing, instant subscribe.
@noelstenius7635
@noelstenius7635 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@majorbean
@majorbean Жыл бұрын
lovely video
@davidblaine4real
@davidblaine4real 7 күн бұрын
This is my first time looking into synthesis and all I can say is this is all beautiful XD
@NVOmusicYT
@NVOmusicYT Жыл бұрын
Wake up babe, new phritz video
@Cybercowboy_69
@Cybercowboy_69 Жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@Bittamin
@Bittamin Жыл бұрын
Sound design is truly so fun 🎉
@jean-louispech4921
@jean-louispech4921 3 ай бұрын
the warmth of the pitch is not just a simple vibrato with a geometric shape at constant speed , but with random variations , it must be alive. For pseudo analog synths one guy was suggest a LFO with a mix triangle shape + random S/H . For the natural "drift" of the voice i have seen 3 S/H random wave at different speed , for a good natural variation. We can do it with a Gauss Band modulation too. When there is a good variation we can see on the specter slight variations of the level of high harmonics. For a polyphonic synth the real trick, even on modern analog synths which are too straight , is the Voice Component, variations of parameters by voice : pitch, filter, envelope, etc.. where every voice act independently , at different speed. For exmeple filter sweep instead of being synchronized for every voice, has different sweep speed for each voice, giving this organic sound we like. And the overdrive is important in the sound of analog synths, it give them all the meat. The best mono synths like the minimoog, etc.. have an over-driven sound.
@---wc7xt
@---wc7xt Жыл бұрын
These presets have a really cool Boards of Canada kinda sound to them. Great tutorial!
@user-bo8ex4ji7n
@user-bo8ex4ji7n 3 ай бұрын
You're an incredible sound designer.
@farty555
@farty555 2 ай бұрын
Amazing tutorial
@PracticeMore
@PracticeMore 4 ай бұрын
incredible vid!!!!!
@dolcik271
@dolcik271 3 ай бұрын
The most useful 7 minutes for today! Thank you.
@Lumaa_Lex
@Lumaa_Lex Жыл бұрын
@phritz thanks for vid! Really cool lo-fi ish, analogu-ish patches! Would love to recreate them for myself. I would like to add some words - I totally agree with everything in video, and nex step for analog emulation - is making an fx chain, that emulates analog sound path on circuit board. For example - you need to put an saturator for adding harmonics after the OSC makes sound, also, you need limiter at the end, to emulate analog clamping and cliping the sound, cause the limits of wire and analog output. And etc. I think, we need to make ultimate guide on how to emulate analog circuit in digital world.
@rileyvan1914
@rileyvan1914 Жыл бұрын
nice sounds
@joesweeney6262
@joesweeney6262 5 ай бұрын
Excellent tutorial. I decided to avoid GAS when getting back into music during the lock downs, and do all my sound design with virtual modular (Cherry Audio Voltage 2). That gives very close parallels to hardware sound design. The one thing I missed was the physicality of twisting knobs and 'playing' the synths. I purchased an akai midi mix (great value) but still wanted more. I purchased an electra one (beautiful and very funtional device!) but it still left me feeling divorced from the synths. Then I got a Faderfox pc 12. Its awesome! All the knobs i want!. My dream midi interface to give a me that 'last mile' feeling would be a faderfox pc12 with 14bit midi / midi 2. In short, for me, analogue synths are not just the sound, but the tactile feel of playing with them. So gimmie lots of sensitive knobs to play with and I will be a happy man!
@orphic-trench
@orphic-trench 5 ай бұрын
Some crazy Boards of Canada sounds right there at the end. That's freaking neat!!! 🔥
@aidantremblay1368
@aidantremblay1368 4 ай бұрын
Really well done video! I think a lot of producers (myself included) see hardware synths and think "I need that to get (xyz) sound," but lately I've been a huge fan of trying to recreate sounds through synths, and that reverse engineering is a priceless experience. Likewise, the knowledge of making beautiful textures only helps when you get your hands on that hardware piece in the future. Thank you for sharing this :)
@GotYourWallet
@GotYourWallet Жыл бұрын
0:30 I noticed the same thing on my Reface Cs. It's a virtual analogue and when you modulate the oscillators pitch with a very slow, very subtle LFO it sounds much nicer!
@synthmonk
@synthmonk Жыл бұрын
beautiful.
@aloeveria
@aloeveria Жыл бұрын
you are the coolest tysm for this !! super helpful for a novice wavetable user :)
@K3zz21
@K3zz21 Жыл бұрын
I loved this!!!!!
@emiel333
@emiel333 4 ай бұрын
Great 👍 video. I’ve subscribed.
@Nokitron
@Nokitron Жыл бұрын
i have been using ableton for years and this video gives me what i need to know about those acronyms on drive choices lmao
@nlhmusicofficial
@nlhmusicofficial 2 ай бұрын
great video. i made all of my sound design with wavetable. it's a great synth. Need to upgrade to live 12 now
@chrisnewman9693
@chrisnewman9693 5 ай бұрын
thank you!
@saltiicat
@saltiicat 2 ай бұрын
One thing that I find really contributes to the "analog" sound are the waveforms itself. Since they're synthesized with circuitry, they have a certain sound or warmness to it, I sampled my SE-02's waves for use in Serum and it already makes a huge difference for emulating an analog sound in software, even without all the modulation. Still, great video!
@mimisaiko
@mimisaiko 4 ай бұрын
I love the feature Error on Analog and Drift on Drift which give them the "Analog" feel. The strongest thing about physical device is actually the tactile workflow, which enable you to experience in a intuitive and fast way, also the instrument design itself can guide you in a meaningful way.
@cyrillerobin5564
@cyrillerobin5564 4 ай бұрын
good quality content here ! very informative, no bulshit, and highly usable !
@andivax
@andivax 4 ай бұрын
Funny. I like Voice Table in TAL products. There are times of randomisation for osc, envelopes, filters, etc. But real deal is FUNNY to tweak and it affects your inspiration.
@stefandoughty43
@stefandoughty43 4 ай бұрын
All this work just for ableton to release drift, which is designed to sound analog and get you there faster than wavetable. amazing tutorial regardless. Very deep understanding of synthesis demonstrated here.
@urphakeandgey6308
@urphakeandgey6308 3 ай бұрын
Finally someone put it into video/words very well. I always thought of analogue gear in the modern age as kind of... Dumb. Unless you're a hardcore enthusiast and have the money, there's is NOTHING special about analogue except that it's prohibitively expensive.
@JonadanandtheFreaks
@JonadanandtheFreaks 6 ай бұрын
Thanks ! I learned something
@MariooDisco
@MariooDisco 6 ай бұрын
Well, I have an impression that some of us think that analog sound is just a messed dirty sound with added noise ... There is something in analog synths that to me simply cannot be emulated with any plugin or digital synth ... At least not just yet, but i am not saying we're not close, and also that it is bad, it's just the taste 😊
@atommachine
@atommachine Жыл бұрын
Analogue has instability in old circuit cities unique to the board. This is an interesting synthesis all the same
@deanjones5229
@deanjones5229 Жыл бұрын
For synthesis you can get great results in software but recently I tried the minifreak for example and there's nothing stimulating programming the software version Vs the hardware, I guess there's a whole psychology behind it too. I'd say I'm a kinesthetic learner and sound design/synthesis didn't click with me until I got a real synthesiser and I'd used software synths, I really loved Arturias CS-80 but hardware helped me learn within weeks. I can't go back now, plugins I love for FX and also sampled instruments with great UI like this here but I'm forever down with hardware now. Digital or analogue ☺️🤟 Nice patches btw! You don't need pur
@doctapeppah2848
@doctapeppah2848 4 ай бұрын
this is actually really helpful holy shit
@andewprod
@andewprod Жыл бұрын
Owning analog synths + Eurorack for more than two years now, i can defenetly tell you that the "analog" sound does not only come from drifting oscillators. Analog oscillators will sure drift but in a much more annoying way than a stable, pleasing vibrato (which you did). I mean sure you can get sounds that will remind you of analog synths but the real thing sounds different. Difficult to put it into words but one can notice. But the title of your videos is still right.. you do not need analog synths to produce. It is a lot, lot of fun though and it just sounds superb. I personally like the sound of analog a LOT, for me its much more than a "80s retro sound". If you think outside the box and bring the synth to new limits you can get VERY interesting sounds that you never heard out of a DAW. Greets!
@david35197
@david35197 Жыл бұрын
I make a living as a producer and love my analog synths, however the synths and my music are almost two unrelated things. I love making sounds with them and fiddling, but when its time to get busy and produce for real they are pretty much useless. I love em but they re expensive conversation pieces basically. (I work in pop mostly)
@andewprod
@andewprod Жыл бұрын
@@david35197 interesting. Do you use modular aswell or just desktop synths? Because, sure, its quicker to make everything in the box, and thats what i do before turning on my hardware (to have the structure etc) but the synths are still crucial to my workflow (i make ambient and edm tho). Synths bring a very different and tendious workflow one has to like and get used to, thats for sure
@david35197
@david35197 Жыл бұрын
@@andewprod I don't use modular but yeah like you said its a practicality thing, especially if the artist is in the studio with me. some might enjoy the analog but the majority don't care and just need it to sound good "quickly". no feeling makes you faster then a room with the artist, a&r, writer engineer, etc, ... waiting in silence for me to create a vibe/idea. I just can't afford to fiddle around but that's half the fun of the analog to me lol. sometimes though when the song is done and it's time to produce with more detail, I might redo sounds with the synths on my own time, but its scary changing sounds that the artists allready likes.
@airfixx_8952
@airfixx_8952 Жыл бұрын
@@david35197 Refreshingly honest.......... 👍
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135
@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135 4 ай бұрын
true but modular hardware synths are a lot more powerful in sound design and does not sound like shit aka it's hard to make analog modular synths sound like shit tbh no cap
@rosekennedy9744
@rosekennedy9744 Жыл бұрын
I’m really I got recommended this video because I learned stuff and it was entertaining. 😊
@The_Invisible_Man
@The_Invisible_Man 4 ай бұрын
Great digital sounds
@JorgeLetria
@JorgeLetria Жыл бұрын
Spent years using soft synths. Bought a couple of hardware synths and my productivity x10d overnight. The thing is, it's not about the sound at all. It's about workflow and how I personally enjoy to interact with my synths. I realized I hate virtual instruments. I hate to program synths on a screen, recording midi etc - so hardware synths changed everything for me. If you love soft synths use soft synths. If you love hardware, use hardware. It's really as simple as that. Nobody who listens to your music will care what instruments you used to make it.
@pham4925
@pham4925 Жыл бұрын
I don't know wavetable but the best type of analog sound (in my opinion) revolves around assigning random pitch (just a tiny tiny bit) to every key pressed. You can do it in serum by plugging in NoteRand1 in Matrix to Osc or Master pitch. It will give you the real deal :)
@gabrollos
@gabrollos 4 ай бұрын
Yupp!! You could also achieve this with stock plugins and a midi shaper (or follower, don’t remember) mapping it to a shifter (cents)
@nsjx
@nsjx 2 ай бұрын
Some nice sounds. A lot can absolutely be accomplished by way of understanding how to get "that sound", if that's your bag. For me it's not the only the sound(non-linearities) that keep me from selling of my gear. It is the way each of them inspire performance not only through control but also the quirky(non-linear) way those controls combined with human performance, make the sound respond (their personalities). That said, I will never part ways with my computer or my myriad of digital plugins (and a few synths) which also have their own personalities. Also, analog filters are Truly lovely in the way they respond to material via various ways of modulation(s). They have a "character" I can't get with Cytomic or U-he's awesome models, but again,... I love All synths. You don't need analog hardware but if you love synthesis, well,.. I absolutely highly recommend trying that wonderful drug and decide for Yourself ;)
@nightrous3026
@nightrous3026 4 ай бұрын
I've made some insane sounds with just serum. I want analog, but technically I don't need it for the sound design I do, and the sound design I do is like Mick Gordon stuff. Do with this information what you will. If anyone ever struggles to make real feedback loops in their DAW, get blue cats connector.
@TangentMoon
@TangentMoon Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a "Coca Cola vs. Pepsi" style test with analogue vs. digital synths, see if people can really tell the difference 😂 Great video though, I think wavetable is an underrated VST, can produce some great sounds!
@Trickey2413
@Trickey2413 Жыл бұрын
if you cant tell the difference between cola and pepsi your tastebuds dont work
@bamramon2704
@bamramon2704 Жыл бұрын
@@Trickey2413 💀
@SUBSYNDICATE
@SUBSYNDICATE Жыл бұрын
I love the comparison Videos that loopop does on the Juno and Juno Boutique. I found the nuances there were quite defining
@zugrath16
@zugrath16 Жыл бұрын
I recommend the video "U-He Repro 5 vs Prophet 5" by Marius Leicht. He makes the exakt same sounds in Repro 5 and on a real Prophet 5 and compares them. It's crazy how identical they are, considering the price difference.
@glenesis
@glenesis Жыл бұрын
Once an analog synth has been digitally recorded the sound is no longer analog.
@Rightly_Divided
@Rightly_Divided Жыл бұрын
That last sound was cool
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